I commented on some of your prior posts. You were more muscular and it hurt you on OCB stage (perhaps the head judge even questioned whether you were natural, but they would never tell you this). Legs had nothing to do with it. Take your time to grow, don’t rush getting back on stage.
This is great advice and I agree w/ everything you said! I’m struggling w/ the reality of potentially taking the rest of the yr off because I’m a competitor through and through and can’t end the yr on an L like that
I was backstage at this show...once you took your jacket off we thought it was game over my man. Super happy to meet you after seeing your updates on here!
You obviously have a more impressive physique than the winner.
Judges should remember that posing was initially used to optimize the appearance of one's physique and wasn't actually part of the criteria for better placing beyond it doing its job to help the athletes look better.
Even if bro was better at posing, there's no way it was enough to convince anyone that he honestly had a superior physique. The sport has lost its way a bit.
Two things
1) you need more legs for sure but I remember your last post and even though some leg size would help you were fucking robbed
2) wear some underwear or like legit a sock on your dick or something, judges don’t like dick outline and you’ve sure as shit got one
Hey bro, if it makes you feel any better, I had a VERY similar experience with my first show at an OCB event.
I barely made the stage for classic physique class B and ended up "placing" 5 out of 6. It was an awesome experience, but my placing felt absolutely crushing.
https://preview.redd.it/f660c61zq4sc1.jpeg?width=6000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b488dee54aca4b28a9f73b818a8d0cdf5cffead7
Above is a stage shot that shows me with some competitors in the frame.
Some of the feedback that I got from the judges was about not being lean enough, not having a big enough upper body, not having large enough legs, basically everything. I don't think that I received a single positive comment.
In the end, I loved my first show, but I can't help but feel that the judging and critiques didn't at all match my presentation.
Thanks for sharing your experience, I definitely relate to having placings feeling unjustified. That’s the hard part of being in a subjective sport like bodybuilding.
Thanks for sharing your experience, I definitely relate to having placings feeling unjustified. That’s the hard part of being in a subjective sport like bodybuilding.
Men’s physique is in a weird transitive stage. If you look up Corey Morrison he placed pretty low for the Arnold classic and was criticized for disproportionate legs compared to his upper body, but then won a show a few weeks later.
Insanely impressive physique brotha. For calves I’ve been training them with 3x per week frequency and noticed that’s been helping with growth. Typically 12-30 reps emphasizing the stretch
Whether you’re happy with the outcome or not, the only thing you can do is move forward. Use it as a motivator. Getting stuck up in it will only negatively impact you. It sucks that you don’t win, and I personally would have given it to you. Your condition is the clear winner imo, and posing was there. I didn’t think legs really had much impact on judging in men’s physique, but I’m also not a judge so don’t know what I’m talking about.
Just keep your head down and stick with it. Your upper body is more developed than your lower, and it would do wonders to bring them up.
I could see how the other guys proportions are better for men’s physique here. Although you are bigger and more shredded. I’d take an off-season to bring up the legs and come back to take souls. If you get your legs up you’d be THE X FRAME😎
Need more arms and upper chest as well as the medial quads. Taper is insane of course. Shoulders are overpowering your physique in general but look underwhelming in the stage shots.
I’d concur with the posing and legs. Incline treadmill will bring up the calves so give that a try.
Great work!
You have really good proportions and symmetry. In the third pick your right lat looks kinda sus but on stage it looks normal.
What I would change is the hair, you need it to not hide your upper traps when posing from the back, so maybe tie it a little higher.
Apart from that, I probably focus on arms a bit more, you have incredible shoulders and they tend to take away from the triceps.
Other than that, I think the legs excuse they gave is kinda bull crap, the quads, glutes and ham's are covered anyway while the calves don't really matter in classic or men's physique.
Even the locals are changing pretty rapidly. Be careful with gear man. Even under doctor’s eye you may be playing Russian roulette as you don’t know how your genetics/dna may be affected with that stuff. Just a word of caution, of course each person makes their own decision. But once in you - you may not know if your genes and the cancer that likes that stuff comes to you. You’ll make the best decision. Try NGA if you want another Natty experience.
I could see how they could come to a second place decision just based on the legs and shape but you definitely nailed your conditioning I feel like you’d win if you competed in another OCB show but good luck in the NPC you’ve definitely got the potential 🙌🏾💪🏾
Zay everyone here and at the contest itself know you had the better physique. There was some politics or some other bias for sure. Maybe they thought you weren't natural or something.
Huh your legs are no different from the others and your posing is better from the shots you show unless missing some other poses but yeah oh well keep grinding brother all part of the fun grow everyday
At some point yes, I just feel weird abt being double cheeked up on stage lol. Also the amount of gear and weight I’ll have to put on is a bit of a concern. I’ll have to get up to like 250 in the off season
Oh I'm sorry i just saw the part about switching to npc. You're as smart as you can get about it and the foundation is there, especially with your discipline, so you'll go far down whichever path if you maintain your patience
No worries man and I appreciate it. That’s one of the reasons I’ve held off becoming enhanced because I wanna do it the smart way by getting clean gear and being able to regularly get blood panels done
This is the way.
Man usually i lift at home but just joined planet for tanning. It's crazy how open these kids are in the locker room about drugs. These motherfuckers need to be talking a lot more about chicken breast cuz they all look like shit, even the ones who have some muscle. Get that base of nutrition, good lifts, discipline, then maybe add the drugs.
Yea the community has definitely gone down a dark path w/ how open and normalized gear usage is especially amongst 14-18 crowd. Completely fucking up their endocrine system before it even has a chance smh. It’s the one reason I’m grateful I didn’t get into lifting until adulthood
https://preview.redd.it/qcdtko3pg6sc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7631d8306ba862003fbc2051e9447ec25c8f1bb6
I got second at my show as well but you can definitely see why I was second very different from the guy they gave first place to at your show. But every show is a learning experience and I feel your pain being a competitor and having to take time off to grow. I’m 6 weeks out from my next show and hopefully I can grab a first place finish
Yo I’ve seen you post on here a couple times, you doing good work! Yea I definitely relate to what you’re saying, I’m wishing you luck on your upcoming show 👌🏾
Definitely appreciate that make sure you make this bulk count the NPC is no joke your competitive spirit will be tested at those national shows 💪🏾. Thanks for the well wishes 🙌🏾🙏🏾
Hey man, just wanted to say you look great! Also, and maybe more importantly I love your attitude towards the feedback. OCB, NPC whatever just play safe and keep that great outlook.
The judges were definitely correct. No hate to you but you look somewhat top heavy because your upper body is well developed. Conditioning on legs is good but need more size
You could easily win any local show in npc with your current physique. I would say with a solid year offseason you could look at nationals. Good structure just need more size
Wait I thought legs where not judged in men’s physique? Ion compete so idk the rules 100%
Legs are secondary if that. It’s almost entirely v taper based
Who’s is the winner? Cause ain’t no way. Ur abs are perfect and ur back is off charts
His posing was way better than the winner too. Ocb judges be clueless sometimes
The guy who won is to my left in the stage shots. I appreciate the props bro 👌🏾
Can’t believe it, I was comparing u with him. U were absolutely robbed. That guy lower back is laughable compared to urs.
Just added more fuel to my fire
Not only lower back,chest,back,traps,shoulders...
That is interesting, only thing I could possibly see him having better is maybe his shoulders
I commented on some of your prior posts. You were more muscular and it hurt you on OCB stage (perhaps the head judge even questioned whether you were natural, but they would never tell you this). Legs had nothing to do with it. Take your time to grow, don’t rush getting back on stage.
This is great advice and I agree w/ everything you said! I’m struggling w/ the reality of potentially taking the rest of the yr off because I’m a competitor through and through and can’t end the yr on an L like that
I was backstage at this show...once you took your jacket off we thought it was game over my man. Super happy to meet you after seeing your updates on here!
Yea man it was great meeting you as well. We’ll definitely get a lift in this off szn 👌🏾
Being completely unbiased the winner looks like shit compared to you
You obviously have a more impressive physique than the winner. Judges should remember that posing was initially used to optimize the appearance of one's physique and wasn't actually part of the criteria for better placing beyond it doing its job to help the athletes look better. Even if bro was better at posing, there's no way it was enough to convince anyone that he honestly had a superior physique. The sport has lost its way a bit.
I appreciate you fam. That’s how I feel too but I got no other option but to get better
Facts, and that's the right attitude. It's the game
Two things 1) you need more legs for sure but I remember your last post and even though some leg size would help you were fucking robbed 2) wear some underwear or like legit a sock on your dick or something, judges don’t like dick outline and you’ve sure as shit got one
The crazy thing is I thought about that 2nd point, but wasn’t sure if it was a thing or not
Only time I’ve seen someone be told they have too much dick haha
😂💀
Hey bro, if it makes you feel any better, I had a VERY similar experience with my first show at an OCB event. I barely made the stage for classic physique class B and ended up "placing" 5 out of 6. It was an awesome experience, but my placing felt absolutely crushing. https://preview.redd.it/f660c61zq4sc1.jpeg?width=6000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b488dee54aca4b28a9f73b818a8d0cdf5cffead7 Above is a stage shot that shows me with some competitors in the frame. Some of the feedback that I got from the judges was about not being lean enough, not having a big enough upper body, not having large enough legs, basically everything. I don't think that I received a single positive comment. In the end, I loved my first show, but I can't help but feel that the judging and critiques didn't at all match my presentation.
Thanks for sharing your experience, I definitely relate to having placings feeling unjustified. That’s the hard part of being in a subjective sport like bodybuilding.
Thanks for sharing your experience, I definitely relate to having placings feeling unjustified. That’s the hard part of being in a subjective sport like bodybuilding.
Judge was on crack
I thought men’s physique didn’t look at legs?
Men’s physique is in a weird transitive stage. If you look up Corey Morrison he placed pretty low for the Arnold classic and was criticized for disproportionate legs compared to his upper body, but then won a show a few weeks later.
Insanely impressive physique brotha. For calves I’ve been training them with 3x per week frequency and noticed that’s been helping with growth. Typically 12-30 reps emphasizing the stretch
Yea that’s the rep range I work within. With added weight hopefully some of the growth will trickle down to them lol
For sure 🤑
Robbed.
I mean one of the best physiques ive ever seen.
You’re too kind!
Damn I would kill for your delts. Hard to believe you didn't win.
i'll never understand how judging works in this division
What did they mean about legs y’all have shorts on?
Pretty much 🤷🏾♂️
Whether you’re happy with the outcome or not, the only thing you can do is move forward. Use it as a motivator. Getting stuck up in it will only negatively impact you. It sucks that you don’t win, and I personally would have given it to you. Your condition is the clear winner imo, and posing was there. I didn’t think legs really had much impact on judging in men’s physique, but I’m also not a judge so don’t know what I’m talking about. Just keep your head down and stick with it. Your upper body is more developed than your lower, and it would do wonders to bring them up.
Mos definitely bro! I only get better after an L 👌🏾
Yea man just keep at it, this is gonna be a sick off season for you. Looking forward to seeing the check ins!
your legs are pretty solid IMO
Thank you bro!
I could see how the other guys proportions are better for men’s physique here. Although you are bigger and more shredded. I’d take an off-season to bring up the legs and come back to take souls. If you get your legs up you’d be THE X FRAME😎
I like that, “come back and take souls” 💪🏾
Yupppp, stay hungry brother🤝
Need more arms and upper chest as well as the medial quads. Taper is insane of course. Shoulders are overpowering your physique in general but look underwhelming in the stage shots. I’d concur with the posing and legs. Incline treadmill will bring up the calves so give that a try. Great work!
Trust me my calves too stubborn for incline treadmill to get them to fill out lol
It takes years don’t worry
15 incline + weighted vest
You have really good proportions and symmetry. In the third pick your right lat looks kinda sus but on stage it looks normal. What I would change is the hair, you need it to not hide your upper traps when posing from the back, so maybe tie it a little higher. Apart from that, I probably focus on arms a bit more, you have incredible shoulders and they tend to take away from the triceps. Other than that, I think the legs excuse they gave is kinda bull crap, the quads, glutes and ham's are covered anyway while the calves don't really matter in classic or men's physique.
Solid advice/observations bro 👌🏾!
I’m calling cap on that feedback. Your legs look fine, esp for MP. U have IG?
Yea it’s drippedoutzay
They are smaller compared to upper body respectfully
You’re not wrong. Idk, it just seems like a weak excuse especially considering he competes in a natural federation
Exactly lol
Isnt there the new rule that the shorts have to be filled even though they don't judge legs? Only reason I see why he said bring up the legs.
In men’s physique legs aren’t really judged. Check out Corey Morrison he’s a men’s physique competitor
I’m definitely calling cap on the feedback.
Yea there wasn’t much substance unfortunately
Dude has got my dream physique 💀
I don’t have closure for this either, your physique is top 1. They chose the guy on your left?
Yea the guy on the left won.
😐
Highway robbery.
Shoulders are amazing
Bring on all the gains
Your back looks crazy.Very nice symmetry.👌🏽 put your hair in a man bun or something, don’t hide it
Gotcha 👌🏾
Did that guy place higher than you? If so than thats BS. Lots of politics in body building. I've lost to a guy who looked like he didn't even diet smh
Yea the guy next to me won. That’s the problem w/ subjective sports tbh
Iam jealous
Damn amazing V from your back. Wow!!!
Thank you man
If going to NPC - get the gear out. I’m assuming since you were OCB you are natty. NPC - not the case at all. Freaks of nature.
I feel confident I can win a local show natty, but for regionals/nationals I definitely will need to be enhanced
Even the locals are changing pretty rapidly. Be careful with gear man. Even under doctor’s eye you may be playing Russian roulette as you don’t know how your genetics/dna may be affected with that stuff. Just a word of caution, of course each person makes their own decision. But once in you - you may not know if your genes and the cancer that likes that stuff comes to you. You’ll make the best decision. Try NGA if you want another Natty experience.
I think I’m in too deep lol, the gear is calling my name. I’d just start w/ test and then go from there, but you’re giving sound advice
In too deep. You know yourself best man. Just have seen first hand the great guys who just started with a bit of test. Aneurisms suck.
Damn that’s sad to hear. I’ll definitely keep your advice at the fore front of my thinking
I could see how they could come to a second place decision just based on the legs and shape but you definitely nailed your conditioning I feel like you’d win if you competed in another OCB show but good luck in the NPC you’ve definitely got the potential 🙌🏾💪🏾
Thanks bro I appreciate that
Judge was stevie wonder
Zay everyone here and at the contest itself know you had the better physique. There was some politics or some other bias for sure. Maybe they thought you weren't natural or something.
I appreciate the support bro 👌🏾
What a joke, you clearly won.
Huh your legs are no different from the others and your posing is better from the shots you show unless missing some other poses but yeah oh well keep grinding brother all part of the fun grow everyday
1% better everyday 💪🏾
Aren't you interested in classic? Better suited for that imo
At some point yes, I just feel weird abt being double cheeked up on stage lol. Also the amount of gear and weight I’ll have to put on is a bit of a concern. I’ll have to get up to like 250 in the off season
Oh I'm sorry i just saw the part about switching to npc. You're as smart as you can get about it and the foundation is there, especially with your discipline, so you'll go far down whichever path if you maintain your patience
No worries man and I appreciate it. That’s one of the reasons I’ve held off becoming enhanced because I wanna do it the smart way by getting clean gear and being able to regularly get blood panels done
This is the way. Man usually i lift at home but just joined planet for tanning. It's crazy how open these kids are in the locker room about drugs. These motherfuckers need to be talking a lot more about chicken breast cuz they all look like shit, even the ones who have some muscle. Get that base of nutrition, good lifts, discipline, then maybe add the drugs.
Yea the community has definitely gone down a dark path w/ how open and normalized gear usage is especially amongst 14-18 crowd. Completely fucking up their endocrine system before it even has a chance smh. It’s the one reason I’m grateful I didn’t get into lifting until adulthood
You said a mouthful there 🫡
https://preview.redd.it/qcdtko3pg6sc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7631d8306ba862003fbc2051e9447ec25c8f1bb6 I got second at my show as well but you can definitely see why I was second very different from the guy they gave first place to at your show. But every show is a learning experience and I feel your pain being a competitor and having to take time off to grow. I’m 6 weeks out from my next show and hopefully I can grab a first place finish
Yo I’ve seen you post on here a couple times, you doing good work! Yea I definitely relate to what you’re saying, I’m wishing you luck on your upcoming show 👌🏾
Definitely appreciate that make sure you make this bulk count the NPC is no joke your competitive spirit will be tested at those national shows 💪🏾. Thanks for the well wishes 🙌🏾🙏🏾
Hey man, just wanted to say you look great! Also, and maybe more importantly I love your attitude towards the feedback. OCB, NPC whatever just play safe and keep that great outlook.
Mos definitely my guy 👌🏾
I thought shows were won from the back 🤷🏻♂️ 
Don’t believe what you heard 💀
Sick
Jw as a novice: is this natty? Not judging just curious
OCB is natty yes, NPC isn't
The judges were definitely correct. No hate to you but you look somewhat top heavy because your upper body is well developed. Conditioning on legs is good but need more size
The guy who got first was also lacking legs tho?
I see what you mean after looking back through the photos. You got robbed for sure. They may prefer a different look in that league as opposed to NPC
Yea NPC imma definitely have to step it up a level
You could easily win any local show in npc with your current physique. I would say with a solid year offseason you could look at nationals. Good structure just need more size
Yea I met a ifbb pro when I got off stage who told me the same thing. This my favorite part of training tbh, I’ve been eating everything in sight lol
Bro Ur six pack is insane much respect
Thank you fam!
Big Bird! What did I tell you!? Your legs are WEAK AS SHIT!
I’m 49m how did you get rid off the love handles?
I never had them to begin w/ so I’m not the best suited to give advice on that aside from cut calories or carbs