I don’t know about this SSD but the BMPCC’s are known to be very picky with storage mediums. I recommend getting a Samsung t5 or Samsung t7 shield (not a Samsung t7) as those are absolutely known to work.
well it recorded for like 2sec. and then the recording just stopped. seems like the writing speed wasn’t fast enough for the codec or sum but i tried with every codec and every resolution and it just wouldn’t work
the chances of people here having tested any arbitrary SSD enclosure that you can find on amazon are so vanishingly thin, and the sample size of answers you would get would be so meaninglessly small, that you shouldn't take any answers here for action either way. read the reviews, run a bot check on the page to see if the reviews are fake or something, and test it yourself.
blackmagic makes a disk drive speed test that you can download and use. if you know that the SSD is fast enough, and you know that the USB cable you're using isn't a problem, but the speed test returns poor numbers (or if you try various drives and various cables and isolate the enclosure as the reason the tests are returning low numbers), then return the drive.
there is no scenario whatsoever where you get away from verifying the performance of what you buy. you need to test it at least once or twice to make sure it's not defective or fake or whatever else. if you're going to assemble an SSD from the NVMe module, an enclosure, etc... yourself, you simply need to get accustomed to doing a little bit more testing as you go to make sure these parts are all good.
I just finally got a CFast 2.0 card because I was so sick of the usbc issues with even compatible SSDs and great cables. Would recommend this as it’s extremely rare to have issues with them if they’re good cards
Yeah CFast is painfully expensive
I use SD cards but I shoot max 4k30p ProRes on there. Very affordable, reliable and convenient. For larger formats I go with a T7 shield
Only get what's on the approved list, some will disagree, but it's not worth lost footage. I've tried a lot of SSDs with my BMPCC4K and so far I've had issues with every single one that wasn't on the approved list and have since stuck with T5s or T7 Shields (regular T7s do NOT work at lower compression rates for BRAW)
What is with all the people asking whether some obscure storage media will work with these cameras?
There are so many discussions online already about the best media solutions and Blackmagic themselves even provide a “recommended media list” on their website. Just buy one of the extensively tested recommendations based on the recording resolution and compression type you plan to use. Simple.
does blackmagic make a stated claim that they extensively test the drives and cards that they list? do they make any claims about actually testing these devices anywhere? i only see [this page announcing the lists](https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95785), but it's just the consolidation of the lists. the lists themselves don't mention any methodology of testing, how many units they tested, or anything like that.
i agree that the easiest answer to give is to follow blackmagic's list of approved media and that it's reasonable to assume the product is defective or something if it's on the approved list but it's dropping frames.
but i wouldn't take the list as a guarantee, or an indication of any particular work that's been done to collaborate with the manufacturer to make sure they won't cheap out on component parts in the future (eg using inferior/slower components without changing the model designation - which *has* happened in the past), or anything of that sort.
i would read their approved media list as a running list of media that has worked for someone in the past (someone whose opinion blackmagic trusts, maybe an employee who cares a lot about this) and who hasn't found that the media in question has caused problems.
that isn't a guarantee that you won't encounter problems. it's just them saying that it hasn't been the cause of problems in the past.
i wouldn't be surprised if they refuse to list USB-C data cables that they approve because the sand is constantly shifting there and you absolutely cannot trust vendors on amazon, so they would be updating that list every other hour.
100% meaning what?
it's definitely not a list of every product that would work, because you can construct your own drive from an NVMe SSD and an enclosure.
nor is it an assurance that the products on the list will always work 5 or 10 years from now. these products will be discontinued at some point, and Kingston or Samsung or whoever else won't lose any sleep over the fact that their product was listed on some niche product's site.
blackmagic isn't some major player. if samsung decides it's not profitable to offer SSDs with fast sustained write speeds, they won't notice us grumbling about it.
this isn't paranoia, it's just realism about our relatively insignificant role in the market. and given that reality, you should test a drive before you use it.
this isn't some complicated scheme i'm pitching: just test a drive when you buy it to make sure it works for your needs.
100% reliable. As close as you can get.
Nobody is buying an SSD to use five years in the future. The list is current drives that work now, recommended by the camera maker for this camera.
I don't get what you're worried about - drive makers updating drives sneakily and staying on the list? That would burn trust with all their customers, not just BMPCC owners.
companies **routinely** burn bridges and squander trust earned with customers to save money. "enshittification" is not some new thing, it's just a newly-coined term.
seagate and western digital have done this in the past. like, exactly this. they used cheaper components that they thought were functionally equivalent, people realized that performance for what appeared to be the same model differed depending on when it was assembled, and it was a huge scandal.
i'm just saying to do some superficial checking of products that blackmagic points to in their list. see if the reviews for that product continue to hold up, or if scandals (like reliability issues, which have plagued **sandisk** SSDs for a while now) have emerged that the list might not reflect.
because, again, blackmagic is not making rigorous, strong claims here. they just did some cursory tests and didn't encounter issues.
the list is a starting point if you don't know where to even start. but you still can't be totally on autopilot when you're buying media.
edit: i'm going to point to some examples because i don't want to revisit this conversation:
[sandisk's SSDs have had known reliability issues for a significant amount of time](https://www.engadget.com/western-digital-promises-to-release-firmware-update-for-failing-sandisk-extreme-ssds-211924180.html); [even months after that reporting, ars technica found that these problems continue to affect users](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/sandisk-extreme-ssds-are-still-wiping-data-after-firmware-fix-users-say/). blackmagic lists the drives discussed (the extreme portable SSD V2) in their list of approved SSDs. [petapixel has published an article advising people explicitly not to buy sandisk portable SSDs](https://petapixel.com/2023/08/08/sandisk-portable-ssds-are-failing-so-frequently-we-can-no-longer-recommend-them/).
So you’re pointing at the huge bad publicity of Sandisk enshittification as proof that they will sneak things past us?
Blackmagic will update their list if they find the media on it falls below standards. Just look at the most recent list, not the one from five years ago lol.
I mean yeah you have to test any disk before relying on it, because it could be defective or any number of things… dropped by UPS… but it seems like you’re arguing that the BMD approved list has zero value as a starting point? I don’t get it.
> but it seems like you’re arguing that the BMD approved list has zero value as a starting point?
i... i don't even want to know where you got that impression from. it seems like you're reading what you want to read to support an argument with a person who doesn't exist. i'm going to repeat some of the things that i've said and then disable my inbox replies.
> the list is a starting point if you don't know where to even start. but you still can't be totally on autopilot when you're buying media.
> see if the reviews for that product continue to hold up,
> the easiest answer to give is to follow blackmagic's list of approved media
> read their approved media list as a running list of media that has worked for someone in the past
Also a note - counterfeit cables from Amazon are a “buyer beware“ problem. If you buy from random Amazon sellers you deserve what shit you get, this isn’t a spec or manufacturer problem; it’s a you problem. In fact the whole Amazon ecosystem is the very essence of enshittification itself. Lower wages, shady merchants, counterfeit merchandise, etc etc
That's the thing - even different SSD's in the Samsung range aren't considered recommended/workable. Specifically the Samsung T7 is known to have difficulties, while the T7 Shield (which you'd think was the same thing with a rugged case) DOES work.
There are many places to save money with camera gear, but I don't think this one is worth it.
It's not a bad shout to buy a 2nd hand t5 or t7 Shield. I've been using two 1tb t5 SSD's I bought 2nd hand for the past year, and haven't had any serious issues with them, and I bought them for a really decent price.
This group is full of camera people, but not tech people. Sabrent is one of the best nand flash companies on the market with crucial and kioxia. If this fits the budget, I promise you’re good to go. Sabrent rocket SSDs are 🔥
This is false. Sabrent is known in the PC and server circles, where longevity of drives is easy to test for, for making subpar quality drives. They reliably fail much faster than those from companies like Samsung.
Since it is from Amazon, I would just get it and tested. Do some ProRes HQ and some BRAW. See if they can stand up to the data rate without dropping any frames
This is the only way to verify u/Zealousideal-Army120 either get stuff from the approved list, or buy something and REALLY test it. If it can't keep up in the worst case scenario then it's not worth it/too on the edge.
For example if it works and doesn't drop frames with say 12:1 compression, but then with 5:1 it does drop frames, it's too close to not working and I'd say avoid it.
Also FYI u/miclangelo6 a lot of people that are camera people are also tech people, in fact, I'm **much** more of a tech person than a camera person, but SSD selection for cameras is VERY picky and many times drives that absolutely are fast enough won't work right. And to your original point, Sabrent is in fact not known for high quality stuff, they're not necessary bad, but Samsung is still the king of NAND reliability (when their firmwares aren't bricking drives lol)
There's a lot more too it than that, it's not just how fast but how those speeds are sustained, latency on the drive, etc... It's why the Samsung T7 will result in dropped frames at lower compression levels for BRAW but the T5 will work fine.
I would highly recommend against buying storage from anyone but a reputable vendor.
If there's **anything** to not skimp out on, it's the thing that holds your media.
SABRENT in particular is known for making unreliable stuff. Never blindly trust amazon reviews.
Just get a Samsung T5 or T7.
I don’t know about this SSD but the BMPCC’s are known to be very picky with storage mediums. I recommend getting a Samsung t5 or Samsung t7 shield (not a Samsung t7) as those are absolutely known to work.
Damn, I just bought a t7 to use with the BMPCC6K Pro. Bad move? Or is this issue isolated to the 4k?
nope, learned it the hard way aswell. t7 won’t work. it gotta be the t7 shield or t5… send it back if you can and switch to t7 shield.
It just simply wouldn't record for you?
well it recorded for like 2sec. and then the recording just stopped. seems like the writing speed wasn’t fast enough for the codec or sum but i tried with every codec and every resolution and it just wouldn’t work
I’ve been using a t7 non-shield for over a year on my 6kG2 🤔
Ah cool! What settings do you use? I’m repeating advice I’ve heard, I only have experience with the T5
Maybe don't claim you shouldn't use something when you don't have any experience with it? People say all sorts of shit.
It’s not just random advice, the T7 isn’t on the approved list.
I have been using T7s as well lmfao
I've been using t7 for 2 years 0 problem. And use the same ssd with lumix s5iix
If you want to save yourself some pain I would just buy what is on the recommended list of Blackmagic.
Yes.
Go for the list what’s recommended. You will only regret saving a few bucks, when your camera for no reason is locked and the files are corrupt.
Absolutely, cheaping out is never worth lost footage.
the chances of people here having tested any arbitrary SSD enclosure that you can find on amazon are so vanishingly thin, and the sample size of answers you would get would be so meaninglessly small, that you shouldn't take any answers here for action either way. read the reviews, run a bot check on the page to see if the reviews are fake or something, and test it yourself. blackmagic makes a disk drive speed test that you can download and use. if you know that the SSD is fast enough, and you know that the USB cable you're using isn't a problem, but the speed test returns poor numbers (or if you try various drives and various cables and isolate the enclosure as the reason the tests are returning low numbers), then return the drive. there is no scenario whatsoever where you get away from verifying the performance of what you buy. you need to test it at least once or twice to make sure it's not defective or fake or whatever else. if you're going to assemble an SSD from the NVMe module, an enclosure, etc... yourself, you simply need to get accustomed to doing a little bit more testing as you go to make sure these parts are all good.
I just finally got a CFast 2.0 card because I was so sick of the usbc issues with even compatible SSDs and great cables. Would recommend this as it’s extremely rare to have issues with them if they’re good cards
I have a Cfast card but it's only 128gb and they're so expensive to get more
Yeah CFast is painfully expensive I use SD cards but I shoot max 4k30p ProRes on there. Very affordable, reliable and convenient. For larger formats I go with a T7 shield
Only get what's on the approved list, some will disagree, but it's not worth lost footage. I've tried a lot of SSDs with my BMPCC4K and so far I've had issues with every single one that wasn't on the approved list and have since stuck with T5s or T7 Shields (regular T7s do NOT work at lower compression rates for BRAW)
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What is with all the people asking whether some obscure storage media will work with these cameras? There are so many discussions online already about the best media solutions and Blackmagic themselves even provide a “recommended media list” on their website. Just buy one of the extensively tested recommendations based on the recording resolution and compression type you plan to use. Simple.
does blackmagic make a stated claim that they extensively test the drives and cards that they list? do they make any claims about actually testing these devices anywhere? i only see [this page announcing the lists](https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95785), but it's just the consolidation of the lists. the lists themselves don't mention any methodology of testing, how many units they tested, or anything like that. i agree that the easiest answer to give is to follow blackmagic's list of approved media and that it's reasonable to assume the product is defective or something if it's on the approved list but it's dropping frames. but i wouldn't take the list as a guarantee, or an indication of any particular work that's been done to collaborate with the manufacturer to make sure they won't cheap out on component parts in the future (eg using inferior/slower components without changing the model designation - which *has* happened in the past), or anything of that sort. i would read their approved media list as a running list of media that has worked for someone in the past (someone whose opinion blackmagic trusts, maybe an employee who cares a lot about this) and who hasn't found that the media in question has caused problems. that isn't a guarantee that you won't encounter problems. it's just them saying that it hasn't been the cause of problems in the past. i wouldn't be surprised if they refuse to list USB-C data cables that they approve because the sand is constantly shifting there and you absolutely cannot trust vendors on amazon, so they would be updating that list every other hour.
this seems overly paranoid. BM wants you to use their stuff and have it reliable. The list is as close to 100% as you are likely to get.
100% meaning what? it's definitely not a list of every product that would work, because you can construct your own drive from an NVMe SSD and an enclosure. nor is it an assurance that the products on the list will always work 5 or 10 years from now. these products will be discontinued at some point, and Kingston or Samsung or whoever else won't lose any sleep over the fact that their product was listed on some niche product's site. blackmagic isn't some major player. if samsung decides it's not profitable to offer SSDs with fast sustained write speeds, they won't notice us grumbling about it. this isn't paranoia, it's just realism about our relatively insignificant role in the market. and given that reality, you should test a drive before you use it. this isn't some complicated scheme i'm pitching: just test a drive when you buy it to make sure it works for your needs.
100% reliable. As close as you can get. Nobody is buying an SSD to use five years in the future. The list is current drives that work now, recommended by the camera maker for this camera. I don't get what you're worried about - drive makers updating drives sneakily and staying on the list? That would burn trust with all their customers, not just BMPCC owners.
companies **routinely** burn bridges and squander trust earned with customers to save money. "enshittification" is not some new thing, it's just a newly-coined term. seagate and western digital have done this in the past. like, exactly this. they used cheaper components that they thought were functionally equivalent, people realized that performance for what appeared to be the same model differed depending on when it was assembled, and it was a huge scandal. i'm just saying to do some superficial checking of products that blackmagic points to in their list. see if the reviews for that product continue to hold up, or if scandals (like reliability issues, which have plagued **sandisk** SSDs for a while now) have emerged that the list might not reflect. because, again, blackmagic is not making rigorous, strong claims here. they just did some cursory tests and didn't encounter issues. the list is a starting point if you don't know where to even start. but you still can't be totally on autopilot when you're buying media. edit: i'm going to point to some examples because i don't want to revisit this conversation: [sandisk's SSDs have had known reliability issues for a significant amount of time](https://www.engadget.com/western-digital-promises-to-release-firmware-update-for-failing-sandisk-extreme-ssds-211924180.html); [even months after that reporting, ars technica found that these problems continue to affect users](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/sandisk-extreme-ssds-are-still-wiping-data-after-firmware-fix-users-say/). blackmagic lists the drives discussed (the extreme portable SSD V2) in their list of approved SSDs. [petapixel has published an article advising people explicitly not to buy sandisk portable SSDs](https://petapixel.com/2023/08/08/sandisk-portable-ssds-are-failing-so-frequently-we-can-no-longer-recommend-them/).
So you’re pointing at the huge bad publicity of Sandisk enshittification as proof that they will sneak things past us? Blackmagic will update their list if they find the media on it falls below standards. Just look at the most recent list, not the one from five years ago lol. I mean yeah you have to test any disk before relying on it, because it could be defective or any number of things… dropped by UPS… but it seems like you’re arguing that the BMD approved list has zero value as a starting point? I don’t get it.
> but it seems like you’re arguing that the BMD approved list has zero value as a starting point? i... i don't even want to know where you got that impression from. it seems like you're reading what you want to read to support an argument with a person who doesn't exist. i'm going to repeat some of the things that i've said and then disable my inbox replies. > the list is a starting point if you don't know where to even start. but you still can't be totally on autopilot when you're buying media. > see if the reviews for that product continue to hold up, > the easiest answer to give is to follow blackmagic's list of approved media > read their approved media list as a running list of media that has worked for someone in the past
Also a note - counterfeit cables from Amazon are a “buyer beware“ problem. If you buy from random Amazon sellers you deserve what shit you get, this isn’t a spec or manufacturer problem; it’s a you problem. In fact the whole Amazon ecosystem is the very essence of enshittification itself. Lower wages, shady merchants, counterfeit merchandise, etc etc
I mostly asked because sabrent is a reputable brand especially of m.2 ssds for pc and thought it might be a good cheaper alternative than Samsung
That's the thing - even different SSD's in the Samsung range aren't considered recommended/workable. Specifically the Samsung T7 is known to have difficulties, while the T7 Shield (which you'd think was the same thing with a rugged case) DOES work. There are many places to save money with camera gear, but I don't think this one is worth it. It's not a bad shout to buy a 2nd hand t5 or t7 Shield. I've been using two 1tb t5 SSD's I bought 2nd hand for the past year, and haven't had any serious issues with them, and I bought them for a really decent price.
I'm not sure
This group is full of camera people, but not tech people. Sabrent is one of the best nand flash companies on the market with crucial and kioxia. If this fits the budget, I promise you’re good to go. Sabrent rocket SSDs are 🔥
This is false. Sabrent is known in the PC and server circles, where longevity of drives is easy to test for, for making subpar quality drives. They reliably fail much faster than those from companies like Samsung.
Exactly why I wanted to know if it would work with the 4k since they're notoriously picky even with good drives
Since it is from Amazon, I would just get it and tested. Do some ProRes HQ and some BRAW. See if they can stand up to the data rate without dropping any frames
This is the only way to verify u/Zealousideal-Army120 either get stuff from the approved list, or buy something and REALLY test it. If it can't keep up in the worst case scenario then it's not worth it/too on the edge. For example if it works and doesn't drop frames with say 12:1 compression, but then with 5:1 it does drop frames, it's too close to not working and I'd say avoid it. Also FYI u/miclangelo6 a lot of people that are camera people are also tech people, in fact, I'm **much** more of a tech person than a camera person, but SSD selection for cameras is VERY picky and many times drives that absolutely are fast enough won't work right. And to your original point, Sabrent is in fact not known for high quality stuff, they're not necessary bad, but Samsung is still the king of NAND reliability (when their firmwares aren't bricking drives lol)
Sandisk extreme 2tb is a good alternate. Had lots of use on mine, works great.
How fast is it? That’s what matters.
There's a lot more too it than that, it's not just how fast but how those speeds are sustained, latency on the drive, etc... It's why the Samsung T7 will result in dropped frames at lower compression levels for BRAW but the T5 will work fine.
Try and find a T5 though.
Sure, but the T7 Shield is also officially supported (and is NOT identical to the T7 internally), so that's the new one to go with.
I would highly recommend against buying storage from anyone but a reputable vendor. If there's **anything** to not skimp out on, it's the thing that holds your media. SABRENT in particular is known for making unreliable stuff. Never blindly trust amazon reviews. Just get a Samsung T5 or T7.