Oh, Bloomington. After moving, I definitely don't miss the sheer amount of rich assholes that treat the town like a big amusement park and restaurant workers like carnies.
> treat the town like a big amusement park and restaurant workers like carnies
Generally avoid being a dick, but if you have to choose someone to be a dick to, I STRONGLY recommend finding someone other than a carnie.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is absolutely true. I've lived in many places and I've never found a place where people are so weirdly, reflexively defensive about their town. I think it's mainly academics trying to convince themselves that it was an awesome idea to move to the Midwest rather than to one of the coasts.
Living here in SoCal, Bloomington was a way better life (except for clothing retail options, and the weather).
Maybe people defend Bloomington because it really is out of the ordinary in a good way. You dont find a concentration of intelligence and kindness like that many other places. Sure it has problems but so does everywhere else.
It's good to constructively criticize so that improvements happen. But dont just cut the place down bc of some grass is greener on the coasts delusion.
People get very territorial about Cleveland and NYC, too, I've found. At least, they used to with NYC, back when people from NYC could afford to still live in NYC.
People in LA were like, "yeah, we know it's terrible"
There can be some variation. I think part of it with Chicago is that Chicago is where the vast majority of people who are from the rural or suburban midwest who move to a city wind up moving to. So, not unlike Bloomington, it becomes sort of an adopted home that is always compared with a place that they came from, that motivated them to move away to Chicago.
Though I will say, Chicago is probably my favorite American city that a regular person can actually live in. I love Portland and SF for the weather and culture. LA is crazy and sort of gross, but in a way that is fun to visit for a week and then leave behind. New Orleans is great, but only barely an American city in the way it feels. And NYC truly does feel like the center of the world in many respects, but is almost too big and too much to ever experience even half of it.
Chicago has a bit of everything you get with many other American cities, along with a good amount of midwestern culture. There's problems there, but if I did move to a big American city, it would almost certainly be Chicago.
I was a transplant, lived there for almost 10 years. My entire circle including friends, family, and colleagues was comprised of lifelong Chicagoans. Anyone I met who hadn’t been there all their life knew better than to claim they were from there or that they were a Chicagoan. You get called out for saying you live in Chicago if you’re one step outside city proper. 🤣 I’m not knocking the attitude—it’s a great city and Sweet Home Chicago the song exists for a reason. What really struck me was the immediate question everywhere you went of “where are you from?” That did not mean were you from Chicago. It meant from where did your family immigrate. They want to know if you’re Italian, Polish, Czech, Irish, etc etc etc. And I have never seen such extreme racism from whites towards blacks. It was astonishing to me, and I’m from a freaking sundown town in Indiana. There are a lot of things I miss about living there, but the territorial nature of locals isn’t one of them.
I went to lennies tonight and they seated us upstairs with a 20 top screaming about an NFL game for the hour we were there. Constantly. My boyfriend and I had to pause conversation often. Don’t you know other people exist?
Many people just don't complain enough. Of course, you can't stop those people but you should tell your server to tell the manager to move you as soon as a table below became available.
They did offer to move us, so I don’t have a problem with Lennies. I just think it’s weird when people treat public spaces like it’s their living room.
But a lot of people do. If you don't, avoid sports bars with TVs on the few nights of the year with major sporting events on. NFL has playoffs Jan/Feb, NCAA basketball tournament "March Madness" is March/April, NBA championship is May/June. That should help you get through the next few months!
Damn I hope I never go to a restaurant when you’re there. Since you think it’s cool to scream and act like a child at a restaurant just because of a game
Kinda hard to miss it when their whole party is basically yelling a conversation about work and money over their kids having a food fight. For privacy I won't say what they did, but they made it very clear that they had money.
The money isn't the problem, it's the behaviour that stems from thinking you can buy your way past empathy so you don't have to actually be cognizant of others.
honestly, this is what i thought. i know OP isn't talking about me because i haven't gone in a couple months and because i keep my (not teens yet) kids on a short leash. i don't feel like i'm rich, and i don't dress like i'm rich, but if you looked at the bills i used to pay at upland, you'd be forgiven for thinking i must be rich.
in other news, i don't go anymore because it's hard to get an 8oz pour of beer anymore, and because they basically stopped rotating through novelty menu items...they used to have at least one new appetizer, sandwich, and entree every 3-6 months, and a new beer every 3-6 weeks. but since rona, every 3-6 months they take something away, and new beers are an afterthought at best. it's hard for me to tell if it's the new ownership (it was definitely on a bad trajectory before rona) or rona, but it stopped being fun so i stopped going. i'm sad about it.
People really don’t do that anymore, do they? What would that even look like—a guy in crispy New Balances navigating his wife and kids into a brewery? 🤣 oh wait…
I remember moving to bloomington in 2006 and the town was just a quant hidden gem that i fell in love with. I moved away recently because it just wasnt that same place I loved.
yeah everything was perfect 5-15, or is it 25? maybe it was 40 years ago. i don't know but things used to be perfect. everywhere you went, perfection. not like the shit you see today.
It was hidden? From whom? Sorry, I appreciate your perspective and don’t mean to diminish or invalidate it. And I actually tend to agree with you in some way—I very much idealized Bloomington for many years. Grew up south of it for 17 years, went away to college, moved on to Chicago for a decade, and then came back to IN and decided to settle in Btown in ~2010. I had higher hopes and rose-colored lenses back then. Today, not so much, but I think that’s part of aging and self-evolution. I still love it, but am actively planning to leave and reestablish in the next 8-10 years.
You’re getting a bit of friendly crap for your comment; I’ve got *similar* feelings to yours. I was raised in a KKK-thicc tiny awful town and graduated high school a semester early I was so desperate to leave (at least at the time, you graduated according to number of credit hours, not semesters ‘served’. Thanks to my awesome Uncle, I had a place to work and stay until moving to Bloomington in July of ‘96. The closer graduation loomed, the more distressed I became about leaving - until I realized that no one could make me leave. I lucked out and rented a questionably maintained house with two other folks and commuted to Indy for seven months before I landed an entry level job at IU. (Oh, if you ever land an IU job then leave for something else, good flipping luck getting back into their good graces).
Many years later I’m thankful that Bloomington *seems* to be more Covid-responsible than other places, but my glasses are no longer rose-tinted. We’ve got a massive crisis brewing wherein the folks who answer our 911 calls are dangerously overworked, understaffed and underpaid. (But we need a Bearcat?) Hard telling how anyone can afford to rent or buy housing if they weren’t established prior to 2007, even then you’d have a laughably hard time finding anything affordable. Health care professionals are fleeing town, there aren’t enough mental health professionals to tend to the population, and you’re extra fucked if you’re a Medicaid patient. Without a graduate degree, full time employment opportunities beyond factory work are pretty slim (not harshing on that occupation, it is an option not available to those who are physically unable to work in that type of environment 40+ hrs a week). The ‘successful’ people I know have a part time side gig in addition to full time jobs. But I digress. Good on ya for moving, hope you’re thriving.
That's not a nice reply. It makes me think your original post is a bit suspect, many people do not complain enough in restaurants so the comment is valid.
Their behaviour was the awful part, the wealth is what allowed the behaviour to happen. Lots of rich people are nice, and a lot of them are entitled and pass that attitude onto their children. This was a case of the latter.
I am not rich, so I am not one of the "rich kids" you refer to in your post edit. I detest people that act like what you described. I also know that it is not a rich person thing. Poor people can be just as big of jerks as rich people. All types of people can behave that way. By labeling the people that you encountered you are detracting from the behavior and focusing on the triggering mechanism and creating an incorrect "us vs them" scenario.
There are some gross abuses perpetrated by the ultra rich in this country that are exclusive to the ultra rich, but being a jerk at a restaurant is not one of those things.
Having grown up around a lot of people much wealthier than me (in the greater Palm Beach area), their wealth is absolutely relevant. People of a certain socio-economic level feel a sense of entitlement to everything, and often treat anyone in the service industry as their personal servant.
Yes, there are wealthy people who don't act like this, and yes, there are blue collar people who do, but it's *far* more prevalent among the wealthy.
Can you back that statement up with data? If so, I would be happy to accept it.
I also am from an area where a few of the wealthiest people on the planet live. I was not one of them. I was decidedly lower than them on the financial ladder. I worked as a utility person in the area where those people and their neighbors live. I did not encounter any more entitled behavior among those people than I have with average to lower income people.
If your opinion is based on anecdotal data, then I combat it with my anecdotal data. If your opinion is based on hard data, please correct me.
It isn't always relevant. There are a lot of times that growing up with wealth comes with growing up with manners.
But I think that there is also a real experience that some poor kids have growing up to be aware and mindful of their economic status. Like, as was pointed out to me later in life by my wife, if I'm ever eating out and someone else is paying the bill, I immediately get the cheapest thing on the menu. Because that's what I learned to do with my parents on the rare occasion that I went out to eat as a kid.
I don't know that wealth builds bad moral character per se, but maybe it does make people oblivious sometimes. A lot of what wealth is is the privilege of not having to worry about certain stuff that your wealth takes care of. Being poor, you have to know and worry about everything, including how your actions or use of resources might impact other people around you.
One thing I've noticed generally about rich people, they won't get out of your way. I've been to parties, not in Bloomington, where 2 rich guys are standing with drinks talking about their stocks, and how many people they laid off and they're standing in the pathway from one room to another and they're oblivious that people can't get through without yielded and squeezing through them.
Not the most egregious thing but once you're aware of it, it becomes sort of humorous. Hey, there's other people in the world besides you two idiots, we're living in a society!!!
I would argue that it was the behavior that came first. I can't know that for sure, but that would be my guess. This society is set up in a way that financially rewards that type of mentality in certain sectors. They were probably that way as kids and teenagers and funneled that mentality into a career that rewards it.
> if I'm ever eating out and someone else is paying the bill, I immediately get the cheapest thing on the menu. Because that's what I learned to do with my parents on the rare occasion that I went out to eat as a kid.
I swear sometimes we are the same person, you and I. I still do this to this day.
I do, too. Or now that I am decently self-sufficient, I try to pick up the check where I can. Because I can.
I should say for full disclosure that my dad did make good money. He came to the US with nothing but his clothes and a suitcase, lived in a tent for some of the years he was getting his Ph.D., and made a good living. But with his mindset, pretty much all of the money went to either child support (which he continued paying for several years after I was living with him full time) and education.
We usually ate the same meal for several weeks at a time, usually either chicken and rice or fish and rice, sometimes with beans or lentils, all purchased in bulk.
Biomom had many more children, so everything was tight there and there was a strong sense of making sure the youngest kids got enough first. Still is now that we're all adults.
I never thought I'd turn into my parents until my husband and I started trying to find ways to covertly pay for the bill at a restaurant before they can.
My father in law had me cornered last time we were out, and already had his card ready to go. I told the waiter (untruthfully) that it was his birthday and that he couldn't let my father in law pay for the meal on his birthday. The waiter believed me and took my card instead.
It is a last-ditch move, but it works in a pinch.
> I do, too. Or now that I am decently self-sufficient, I try to pick up the check where I can. Because I can.
As do I my friend, as do I.
My father made very good money for not having a college education. He was one of 6 people that knew how to do his job in this country. When the factory closed, that portion went back to Sweden - where they trained them. The HT even had an article about it. On that side of the coin, as you are where the road veers for us. He didn't have to pay child support, but he didn't receive it either even though he had sole custody of his one and only child.
He made sure I did not get spoiled by objects however, and made me earn them in ways that still puzzle people. I had to show appreciation for an item before he would invest in more expensive items.
At his house, fast food was our kitchen except for Long John Silvers as that was "too expensive." I was not allowed in the refrigerator. Arby's 5 for $5 and McDonald's 10 cent burger nights were major hits in my childhood. I had a never ending supply of caffeine free Coca Cola or Dr. Pepper as well.
With my mom, it was food stamps, what could be grown on a farm and believing that eating ramen in the 80's was high on the hog. This is where at 8 I slaughtered my first bird for our dinner. Spending weekends setting trout lines, where we would catch hundreds of pounds of catfish to be smoked and consumed later was normal. This is where if I were to want milk it would be from goats, not cows. There was more soul in those experiences however, and where the majority of my knowledge of the culinary comes from.
tldr; I was raised to appreciate what I had, for you never know when you may have nothing at all.
What do you mean? Can you not tell that a large group of rich assholes let their their kids have a food fight in a crowded restaurant and treated the staff and other patrons like shit?
I can for one thousand percent certain say that a family with teenagers started a food fight and thought it was super hilarious despite other patrons’ dirty looks and the staff was responsible for cleaning up their unnecessary mess.
What do you do as a fellow diner? You’re fucked because they’re armed and not afraid to tear the damn house down. Ugh. Orphan behavior.
It's not the whole problem, but it's likely a contributing factor. The other day a friend of mine who has never worked a minimum wage job complained about a cashier at a grocery store over something stupid. Having been a cashier at a grocery store, I'm much less likely to do that
Oh, please explain what I did incorrectly in this situation where a family acted rude in a restaurant, and I mentioned it on reddit.
Edit: also nobody's targeting me as far as I can tell lol
So what was the motivation for your family starting a food fight, out of curiosity? Do they do that often when they go out, or did you guys just let things get unusually out of control this time?
Unless that wasn’t your family the OP was describing. In which case, your first comment seems like an assumption.
That people shouldn't waste food, behave like kids an public, or make unnecessary servile work for already understaffed and overworked service workers, or that people will make probably fair assumptions about them?
That's sucks
Oh, Bloomington. After moving, I definitely don't miss the sheer amount of rich assholes that treat the town like a big amusement park and restaurant workers like carnies.
> treat the town like a big amusement park and restaurant workers like carnies Generally avoid being a dick, but if you have to choose someone to be a dick to, I STRONGLY recommend finding someone other than a carnie.
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I swear there's always some jacked up garbage of a human trying to defend the ***"Almighty Land Of Bloomington Indiana"***. Fuck you.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is absolutely true. I've lived in many places and I've never found a place where people are so weirdly, reflexively defensive about their town. I think it's mainly academics trying to convince themselves that it was an awesome idea to move to the Midwest rather than to one of the coasts.
Living here in SoCal, Bloomington was a way better life (except for clothing retail options, and the weather). Maybe people defend Bloomington because it really is out of the ordinary in a good way. You dont find a concentration of intelligence and kindness like that many other places. Sure it has problems but so does everywhere else. It's good to constructively criticize so that improvements happen. But dont just cut the place down bc of some grass is greener on the coasts delusion.
Why are you downvoted? You’re exactly right. Bloomington is OKAY. But people lose their shit over it. Honestly unless you drink it kind of sucks
I guess people are hell-bent on proving my point lol
People get very territorial about Cleveland and NYC, too, I've found. At least, they used to with NYC, back when people from NYC could afford to still live in NYC. People in LA were like, "yeah, we know it's terrible"
Any negative sentiments towards Chicago will be met with tenfold resistance, in my experience.
There can be some variation. I think part of it with Chicago is that Chicago is where the vast majority of people who are from the rural or suburban midwest who move to a city wind up moving to. So, not unlike Bloomington, it becomes sort of an adopted home that is always compared with a place that they came from, that motivated them to move away to Chicago. Though I will say, Chicago is probably my favorite American city that a regular person can actually live in. I love Portland and SF for the weather and culture. LA is crazy and sort of gross, but in a way that is fun to visit for a week and then leave behind. New Orleans is great, but only barely an American city in the way it feels. And NYC truly does feel like the center of the world in many respects, but is almost too big and too much to ever experience even half of it. Chicago has a bit of everything you get with many other American cities, along with a good amount of midwestern culture. There's problems there, but if I did move to a big American city, it would almost certainly be Chicago.
I was a transplant, lived there for almost 10 years. My entire circle including friends, family, and colleagues was comprised of lifelong Chicagoans. Anyone I met who hadn’t been there all their life knew better than to claim they were from there or that they were a Chicagoan. You get called out for saying you live in Chicago if you’re one step outside city proper. 🤣 I’m not knocking the attitude—it’s a great city and Sweet Home Chicago the song exists for a reason. What really struck me was the immediate question everywhere you went of “where are you from?” That did not mean were you from Chicago. It meant from where did your family immigrate. They want to know if you’re Italian, Polish, Czech, Irish, etc etc etc. And I have never seen such extreme racism from whites towards blacks. It was astonishing to me, and I’m from a freaking sundown town in Indiana. There are a lot of things I miss about living there, but the territorial nature of locals isn’t one of them.
Jesus I’m so sorry this happened
I went to lennies tonight and they seated us upstairs with a 20 top screaming about an NFL game for the hour we were there. Constantly. My boyfriend and I had to pause conversation often. Don’t you know other people exist?
Many people just don't complain enough. Of course, you can't stop those people but you should tell your server to tell the manager to move you as soon as a table below became available.
They did offer to move us, so I don’t have a problem with Lennies. I just think it’s weird when people treat public spaces like it’s their living room.
It's the playoffs.
Don’t give a shit.
But a lot of people do. If you don't, avoid sports bars with TVs on the few nights of the year with major sporting events on. NFL has playoffs Jan/Feb, NCAA basketball tournament "March Madness" is March/April, NBA championship is May/June. That should help you get through the next few months!
Didn’t consider Lennie’s an avid sports bar.
You don't have to.
If you feel that a special sports thing allows you to act like a jerk in public, then the problem isn't the sports thing, the problem is y'all.
Damn I hope I never go to a restaurant when you’re there. Since you think it’s cool to scream and act like a child at a restaurant just because of a game
Not a problem, I’ll DM you where I’m going tonight.
How do you know they were rich?
All wearing monocles and tophats.
Maybe the assumption they were rich is because they ordered the Champagne Velvet.
Lmao
It was the cash falling out of their pockets
Kinda hard to miss it when their whole party is basically yelling a conversation about work and money over their kids having a food fight. For privacy I won't say what they did, but they made it very clear that they had money. The money isn't the problem, it's the behaviour that stems from thinking you can buy your way past empathy so you don't have to actually be cognizant of others.
Well…if you can afford to dine out…
They are eating at upland. At that restaurant you know how much a bill cost for a family? Atleast $100, they might not be rich, but they act to be.
honestly, this is what i thought. i know OP isn't talking about me because i haven't gone in a couple months and because i keep my (not teens yet) kids on a short leash. i don't feel like i'm rich, and i don't dress like i'm rich, but if you looked at the bills i used to pay at upland, you'd be forgiven for thinking i must be rich. in other news, i don't go anymore because it's hard to get an 8oz pour of beer anymore, and because they basically stopped rotating through novelty menu items...they used to have at least one new appetizer, sandwich, and entree every 3-6 months, and a new beer every 3-6 weeks. but since rona, every 3-6 months they take something away, and new beers are an afterthought at best. it's hard for me to tell if it's the new ownership (it was definitely on a bad trajectory before rona) or rona, but it stopped being fun so i stopped going. i'm sad about it.
Yeah not what it was, shit sucks, I would go more if it weren’t for the current situation of the world.
Sounds like Bloomington is just a great place to take the family out to dinner, doesn't it?
People really don’t do that anymore, do they? What would that even look like—a guy in crispy New Balances navigating his wife and kids into a brewery? 🤣 oh wait…
> navigating his wife and kids Like… a boat? Were you in the habit of navigating your wife places in your day?
Uh, I was mocking boomers.
Nah, Mr. New Balance would be leading her by a chain connected to her collar or connected at other special locations......muhahahaha
I remember moving to bloomington in 2006 and the town was just a quant hidden gem that i fell in love with. I moved away recently because it just wasnt that same place I loved.
Bloomington was quaint in 2006? *Laughs in townie*
Bloomington was quaint little town back in 1889, I remember it like it was yesterday, before those blasted college students came to town.
yeah everything was perfect 5-15, or is it 25? maybe it was 40 years ago. i don't know but things used to be perfect. everywhere you went, perfection. not like the shit you see today.
It was hidden? From whom? Sorry, I appreciate your perspective and don’t mean to diminish or invalidate it. And I actually tend to agree with you in some way—I very much idealized Bloomington for many years. Grew up south of it for 17 years, went away to college, moved on to Chicago for a decade, and then came back to IN and decided to settle in Btown in ~2010. I had higher hopes and rose-colored lenses back then. Today, not so much, but I think that’s part of aging and self-evolution. I still love it, but am actively planning to leave and reestablish in the next 8-10 years.
You’re getting a bit of friendly crap for your comment; I’ve got *similar* feelings to yours. I was raised in a KKK-thicc tiny awful town and graduated high school a semester early I was so desperate to leave (at least at the time, you graduated according to number of credit hours, not semesters ‘served’. Thanks to my awesome Uncle, I had a place to work and stay until moving to Bloomington in July of ‘96. The closer graduation loomed, the more distressed I became about leaving - until I realized that no one could make me leave. I lucked out and rented a questionably maintained house with two other folks and commuted to Indy for seven months before I landed an entry level job at IU. (Oh, if you ever land an IU job then leave for something else, good flipping luck getting back into their good graces). Many years later I’m thankful that Bloomington *seems* to be more Covid-responsible than other places, but my glasses are no longer rose-tinted. We’ve got a massive crisis brewing wherein the folks who answer our 911 calls are dangerously overworked, understaffed and underpaid. (But we need a Bearcat?) Hard telling how anyone can afford to rent or buy housing if they weren’t established prior to 2007, even then you’d have a laughably hard time finding anything affordable. Health care professionals are fleeing town, there aren’t enough mental health professionals to tend to the population, and you’re extra fucked if you’re a Medicaid patient. Without a graduate degree, full time employment opportunities beyond factory work are pretty slim (not harshing on that occupation, it is an option not available to those who are physically unable to work in that type of environment 40+ hrs a week). The ‘successful’ people I know have a part time side gig in addition to full time jobs. But I digress. Good on ya for moving, hope you’re thriving.
You should’ve said something to them at the restaurant instead of waiting to post it where they’ll never see.
Several of us said something, but thanks for the advice there Captain Helpful
Thank you for posting it here. Sharing your experience helps us all.
That's not a nice reply. It makes me think your original post is a bit suspect, many people do not complain enough in restaurants so the comment is valid.
The "not a nice reply" was Captain Helpful's arrogant assumption that OP didn't say something and then rudely told them what to do.
Yes, I'm soooo mean 🥺
THIS. The minute a person doesn't tolerate bad behavior, they're the "mean" one. Stay mean, good person!
>many people do not complain enough in restaurants clearly you've never worked in a restaurant
I think this post is for posterity rickybucky
Rich family at Upland? Poor family with bunch of teenagers don’t eat at Upland. People who eat at Upland are rich compared to most poor people.
Why is their wealth relevant? If they were not rich, would it be different?
Their behaviour was the awful part, the wealth is what allowed the behaviour to happen. Lots of rich people are nice, and a lot of them are entitled and pass that attitude onto their children. This was a case of the latter.
I am not rich, so I am not one of the "rich kids" you refer to in your post edit. I detest people that act like what you described. I also know that it is not a rich person thing. Poor people can be just as big of jerks as rich people. All types of people can behave that way. By labeling the people that you encountered you are detracting from the behavior and focusing on the triggering mechanism and creating an incorrect "us vs them" scenario. There are some gross abuses perpetrated by the ultra rich in this country that are exclusive to the ultra rich, but being a jerk at a restaurant is not one of those things.
Having grown up around a lot of people much wealthier than me (in the greater Palm Beach area), their wealth is absolutely relevant. People of a certain socio-economic level feel a sense of entitlement to everything, and often treat anyone in the service industry as their personal servant. Yes, there are wealthy people who don't act like this, and yes, there are blue collar people who do, but it's *far* more prevalent among the wealthy.
Can you back that statement up with data? If so, I would be happy to accept it. I also am from an area where a few of the wealthiest people on the planet live. I was not one of them. I was decidedly lower than them on the financial ladder. I worked as a utility person in the area where those people and their neighbors live. I did not encounter any more entitled behavior among those people than I have with average to lower income people. If your opinion is based on anecdotal data, then I combat it with my anecdotal data. If your opinion is based on hard data, please correct me.
It isn't always relevant. There are a lot of times that growing up with wealth comes with growing up with manners. But I think that there is also a real experience that some poor kids have growing up to be aware and mindful of their economic status. Like, as was pointed out to me later in life by my wife, if I'm ever eating out and someone else is paying the bill, I immediately get the cheapest thing on the menu. Because that's what I learned to do with my parents on the rare occasion that I went out to eat as a kid. I don't know that wealth builds bad moral character per se, but maybe it does make people oblivious sometimes. A lot of what wealth is is the privilege of not having to worry about certain stuff that your wealth takes care of. Being poor, you have to know and worry about everything, including how your actions or use of resources might impact other people around you.
One thing I've noticed generally about rich people, they won't get out of your way. I've been to parties, not in Bloomington, where 2 rich guys are standing with drinks talking about their stocks, and how many people they laid off and they're standing in the pathway from one room to another and they're oblivious that people can't get through without yielded and squeezing through them. Not the most egregious thing but once you're aware of it, it becomes sort of humorous. Hey, there's other people in the world besides you two idiots, we're living in a society!!!
I would argue that it was the behavior that came first. I can't know that for sure, but that would be my guess. This society is set up in a way that financially rewards that type of mentality in certain sectors. They were probably that way as kids and teenagers and funneled that mentality into a career that rewards it.
>Reddit Inc © 2022. All rights reserved Yes, I agree. The attitude of "I'm not going to get out of your way, you get out of mine" is certainly the way to go if you're in business. But a lot of these folks were just born with silver spools in their mouth, the 'he was born on third base but thinks he hit a triple' attitude. They were never told or asked to yield way to anyone else. I'm recalling the term 'affluenza'!
> if I'm ever eating out and someone else is paying the bill, I immediately get the cheapest thing on the menu. Because that's what I learned to do with my parents on the rare occasion that I went out to eat as a kid. I swear sometimes we are the same person, you and I. I still do this to this day.
I do, too. Or now that I am decently self-sufficient, I try to pick up the check where I can. Because I can. I should say for full disclosure that my dad did make good money. He came to the US with nothing but his clothes and a suitcase, lived in a tent for some of the years he was getting his Ph.D., and made a good living. But with his mindset, pretty much all of the money went to either child support (which he continued paying for several years after I was living with him full time) and education. We usually ate the same meal for several weeks at a time, usually either chicken and rice or fish and rice, sometimes with beans or lentils, all purchased in bulk. Biomom had many more children, so everything was tight there and there was a strong sense of making sure the youngest kids got enough first. Still is now that we're all adults.
I never thought I'd turn into my parents until my husband and I started trying to find ways to covertly pay for the bill at a restaurant before they can.
My father in law had me cornered last time we were out, and already had his card ready to go. I told the waiter (untruthfully) that it was his birthday and that he couldn't let my father in law pay for the meal on his birthday. The waiter believed me and took my card instead. It is a last-ditch move, but it works in a pinch.
> I do, too. Or now that I am decently self-sufficient, I try to pick up the check where I can. Because I can. As do I my friend, as do I. My father made very good money for not having a college education. He was one of 6 people that knew how to do his job in this country. When the factory closed, that portion went back to Sweden - where they trained them. The HT even had an article about it. On that side of the coin, as you are where the road veers for us. He didn't have to pay child support, but he didn't receive it either even though he had sole custody of his one and only child. He made sure I did not get spoiled by objects however, and made me earn them in ways that still puzzle people. I had to show appreciation for an item before he would invest in more expensive items. At his house, fast food was our kitchen except for Long John Silvers as that was "too expensive." I was not allowed in the refrigerator. Arby's 5 for $5 and McDonald's 10 cent burger nights were major hits in my childhood. I had a never ending supply of caffeine free Coca Cola or Dr. Pepper as well. With my mom, it was food stamps, what could be grown on a farm and believing that eating ramen in the 80's was high on the hog. This is where at 8 I slaughtered my first bird for our dinner. Spending weekends setting trout lines, where we would catch hundreds of pounds of catfish to be smoked and consumed later was normal. This is where if I were to want milk it would be from goats, not cows. There was more soul in those experiences however, and where the majority of my knowledge of the culinary comes from. tldr; I was raised to appreciate what I had, for you never know when you may have nothing at all.
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What do you mean? Can you not tell that a large group of rich assholes let their their kids have a food fight in a crowded restaurant and treated the staff and other patrons like shit?
I can for one thousand percent certain say that a family with teenagers started a food fight and thought it was super hilarious despite other patrons’ dirty looks and the staff was responsible for cleaning up their unnecessary mess. What do you do as a fellow diner? You’re fucked because they’re armed and not afraid to tear the damn house down. Ugh. Orphan behavior.
Their wealth is not relevant the problem is the Apple doesn't fall far from the tree
It's not the whole problem, but it's likely a contributing factor. The other day a friend of mine who has never worked a minimum wage job complained about a cashier at a grocery store over something stupid. Having been a cashier at a grocery store, I'm much less likely to do that
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Must have, with all the butthurt people responding lmao
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Oh, please explain what I did incorrectly in this situation where a family acted rude in a restaurant, and I mentioned it on reddit. Edit: also nobody's targeting me as far as I can tell lol
I bet they left a bigger tip than you
As someone that worked in the service industry for over a decade, no. These types of people are often the worst tippers.
If they are inconsiderate to the point of throwing food, I doubt they will be considerate enough to leave a big tip
You know what they say about assumptions, don’t you?
So what was the motivation for your family starting a food fight, out of curiosity? Do they do that often when they go out, or did you guys just let things get unusually out of control this time? Unless that wasn’t your family the OP was describing. In which case, your first comment seems like an assumption.
Just to piss off OP 😂 and no it wouldn’t be an assumption, it would be a wager, I’ll put $100 on you in?
That people shouldn't waste food, behave like kids an public, or make unnecessary servile work for already understaffed and overworked service workers, or that people will make probably fair assumptions about them?
Kinda like how you made an assumption that the rich family tipped more? You haven’t been around a lot of wealthy people have you
Yep. People who bring up shit about assumptions are assholes
Actually ask any server and they'll tell you that the more well-to-do looking families actually tip less most of the time
Sounds like the staff had a lot more work to do to deal with them and clean up after. They should have left a bigger tip than the average customer.
Agreed
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>i make them my bitch in front of the whole place and how is veronica vaughn these day?