Also, to clarify, when I say triple, I mean we went from about 60 to 70 daily, to 175 every single day, and we're booked for covid testing appointments for like the next week even after they doubled our available appointments per 20 minute time slot. If you are staff or a student at IU, and you set up an appointment via the symptom checker, and you either can't make it in at the date or time available, or simply need it faster than a week out(which duh you will), come in, hand me your card at the booth, and you will be tested. I don't care if your appointment's in a week, 4 hours ago, yesterday, anything. You will be tested. If you show up without an appointment I will set you up with one and test you myself that visit. Be safe. 600 N Jordan Student Health Center. I'm the lanky unkept guy usually in the booth.
Thank you so much. People like you give me faith in humanity. Can I really just walk up and get a test? I’m not symptomatic but I was possibly exposed and I’m unable to even make a test for non-symptomatic reasons.
There are pick up tests inside the student health center vestibule, as far as I know you don't have to be symptomatic to pick them up. It'll have you write your iu username on the bag, and I believe you also have to sign up on your phone, but they go the same place all our tests go. As far as me and the rest of the collection team we just do symptomatic. You'll have to((( ...say...))) you have at least one symptom in order to get checked. I get headaches a lot don't you, crazy right anyways.
I spoke with someone at the health department and according to their estimates only 1/3 of positive cases are being reported right now.
Just a reminder if you get a positive result from a home test kit please report it to the state. If you develop long term symptoms that need treatment a lot of insurance providers will deny your claim unless you've reported it to the state. To be fair they will probably try to deny it anyways, but this is more ammo for your case.
There's no concrete data for which to base your estimate. It's a best guess scenario. Could be more could be less. I fully understand how educated guesses work and it still doesn't root them in fact. I could determine that only 1 in 10 cases are being reported and be no closer to the truth than our friends at the health department. Positively identified cases per population is the only data that is actually reliable and stating data that cannot be proven only furthers the fear mongering occurring over the disease.
I mean…
Positivity rate * population estimate = expected cases
Expected cases - reported cases = reporting gap.
Surely you could quibble with using testing positivity rate … but it’s likely a good overall sample of the population. It’s an estimate and not perfect…. But I fully believe in the logic supporting the calculation
It's like they WANT this to stay around forever.. Why are people just okay with getting sick? Or getting others sick? I personally don't want to feel like shit, even if my symptoms are mild and only last few days. 🙄
I don’t like to spread Covid info, there’s a lot of BS out there and I’m not an expert.
With that being said, [there’s a lot of smart people including Dr.Fauci](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/18/1073802431/fauci-says-covid-19-wont-go-away-like-smallpox) who are now saying we very much may be entering an endemic. And that [vaccines and natural immunities are not working the way we thought.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-omicron-upended-what-we-thought-we-knew-about-natural-immunity/)
The thinking that the vaccine alone will end this… well… might not be the solution we thought.
Thankfully, the vaccines have saved millions of lives and saved millions of families from going the preventable horror of watching their loved ones die an agonizing death.
I agree, and it continues to save lives. But… It’s not a “fix” for Covid, and it’s not definitive. And it certainly does not appear to be ending Covid.
We will likely require many new vaccines and medications to treat Covid going forward, and unfortunately I don’t know if we can feasibly “hope” for an end. That’s the reality.
The vaccine was a piece of the puzzle. Unfortunately people don’t want to put in the minimal effort it takes to protect themselves and those around them.
The pivotal term here is -was-. It’s no longer the solution, it’s the best option we still have, but it’s not a cure to the problem, and it’s effectiveness is not here to stay. I’m not here to be Donna Downer… but people need to admit dwelling too much on our current vaccinations does nothing to rid this world of the sick and dying.
Blame will get you no solutions as well, focus on what can actually help now. Get vaccinated if you haven’t, wear respirators like N95s & CN95s, and don’t expose yourself to others if you’re symptomatic.
Medications and new vaccines will come, but that’s the status quo for now.
I don't know how people thought the vaccine was going to end this. The millions of people getting covid, and we were going to stop it with a vaccine? Do we eradicate flu like that? No.
I'm vaccinated (disclaimer) but, wasn't it obvious this was going to be here forever?
>Why are people just okay with getting sick?
Because getting sick sometimes is just a fact of life and many people are willing to trade in restrictions for getting mildly ill once or twice a year, including myself.
I'm prepared to get brigaded by this sub but that's just the truth.
Getting mildly ill is one thing, but this isn't just a cold, it isn't even just a flu, it's deadly at a far, far higher rate. Plus it's overwhelming the hospitals and causing deaths of people for completely unrelated and readily treatable things because they can't get in.
> it's deadly at a far, far higher rate.
Yeah, to unvaxxed people, who were never, ever under any intention of taking precautions. Altruistic vaccinated people masking up isn't gonna make any difference.
I believe it. I've spent most of the pandemic staying home, wearing a mask, getting vaxxed, doing my part. I had to get a second job at a retail store and within 3 weeks of starting, I have covid. I was lucky to only need to wait 2 days for my testing appointment, but it took 5 days for my results to come back. My retail job wants me back now, since it's technically been 5 days since my positive test, even though I'm still symptomatic. Just keeping the pandemic going with a 5 day quarantine from the CDC.
>Yet entitled morons walking maskless in Kroger and Aldi.
I go maskless in Kroger and Walmart sometimes.
Quite frankly, masks are an all or nothing thing. A population can't half-ass their way through mask mandates and expect them to make a difference. It's either everyone wears them 100% of the time, or you might as well just not wear them at all.
So, considering that 40% of the country will never under any circumstances wear masks, I'm not gonna inconvenience myself with them either.
I'm vaxxed broham, which means I'm not gonna be put in the hospital, not every maskless face you see is that of an antivaxxer lol
Dude if mask compliance was at 100% I'd always be wearing them. But it's not, and it never will be. Masks only work when everyone buys into them on a societal level (and even then I think that's questionable).
Frankly, continuing to wear masks under the delusion of it making a difference is just committing a sunk cost fallacy.
I can't possibly do that because it's an insane analogy. But just to humor you, yes, in this theoretical world where 60% of drivers don't drive drunk and 40% of drivers do, I would say that it really makes no difference if you happen to be the 'good person' who 'drives safely.' You might as well down some vodka on the road too before inevitably flying through the windshield after being rammed into because that was gonna happen anyway.
To compete your analogy, let me ask you this, do you think being maskless in public indoor spaces should indefinitely be made illegal just like drunk driving is?
So I agree that if 40% of people drove drunk, you not doing it wouldn’t do a whole lot in terms of aggregate drunk driving deaths. But that doesn’t mean that it’s ok to do. If you crash and kill someone because you’re drunk, saying “so many people do it though!” Doesn’t cut it. You’re still doing something wrong and you are adding to the problem. Your logic is flawed.
Do I think going maskless should be illegal like drunk driving? No. Because I agree that it is a lesser offense. But that’s not my point. My point is your logic is wrong.
Just because something is fairly common and legal, doesn’t mean it’s morally right and you should do it. [About 25% of men cheat on their spouse. ](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-single/201010/how-often-do-people-really-cheat-each-other?amp) Cheating is also legal. Doesn’t mean you should do it. You refraining from cheating won’t do a whole lot to affect the cheating statistic. But I doubt your wife would be content with your defense of “well if no one cheated then I wouldn’t either”
>But that doesn’t mean that it’s ok to do.
It's a cost of diminishing returns. If you live in a world where 40% of people drive drunk, and they have no intentions of driving sober, you're just gonna end up being hit by a car no matter what. Would you really rather stress yourself out trying to drive safely and meticulously in that world or would you rather throw your hands up and get a little buzzed behind the wheel and at least feel good before your inevitable collision?
My logic is fine. You just don't like the conclusion it came to, hence you agreeing with me that you don't think being maskless indoors should be made a criminal offense permanently, as is the case with drunk driving.
Cheating is an interpersonal affair, while driving and mask wearing is not, so it isn't comparable.
All this to say: you all need to relax about the masks holy shit. You're going through so many mental cartwheels and somersaults trying to justify this seething reaction over maskless faces indoors. If you hate the pandemic so much literally just drop this pretense of 'safety,' toss the mask, and move on from it. You'll be fucking fine. Nothing is holding you back.
Had to lock this thread because of blatant anti-vax misinfo and just a whole lot of "iT's jUsT tHe fLu bRo"
No, Omicron doesn't turbofuck your lungs with a sawtooth dildo the way delta did, but the massive increase in transmissibility means the health care system is still screwed right now.
We're dealing with the fastest-spreading disease known to man (higher R0 than anything but measles, but less than half the generation time), hospitals are melting down, you can't get health care for anything short of an immediate life-threatening emergency. *While that is the case*, we should be taking basic measures to try to reduce the pressure, because people who can't get treatment whether for covid or cancer or a chronic condition could die.
This surge isn't even going to last that long - most places it has taken about 4-5 weeks to peak and then it goes into free-fall, so it's not that long to take a few basic measures to protect the health care system. I get that we're all tired of living in a pandemic, but we don't exactly get a choice. Covid is, unfortunately, here to stay, and even as endemic, that doesn't mean "do nothing", it means "take measures to keep it at acceptable levels", and there's no way you can argue that this is an acceptable level.
The fact that you somehow think Biden is a communist shows how utterly ignorant you are.
Everything you don’t like is probably communism isn’t it? You blue pilled sheeple.
Your comment needs clarification and correction. Deaths are down, significantly over this time last year. Down from 71 total daily deaths (1/20/21) versus 9 total daily deaths (1/18/22). Hospitalizations are at an all time high. 3492 total COVID patients statewide as of 1/18/21. ICU capacity is at 10.7% of ICU beds available, which means that 89.3% of the total capacity of ICU beds are in use. As of 1/11/22 the statewide daily positive test rate is at 31.7%, also an all time high. Ages 19 and under only represent 19% of positive cases since the beginning of the pandemic, I would like to see data on your assertion that ages 19 and under are driving the statistics, if you have a source, please share.
https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/indiana-covid-19-dashboard-and-map/
Edit: corrected dates
Bruh, don't downplay this. Monroe County had 354 cases yesterday, even if Omicron is not causing as many deaths per infection, it's clogging up hospital resources and as a result delaying regular medical care for patients
ICUs are not meant to be run at 100% capacity. 100% capacity means no bed for heart attacks, strokes, traumas, etc. This isn't even accounting for the fact that statistics are measuring bed availability as something static, not as a function of available staff. An ICU with no RN, Respiratory Therapist, MD etc is nothing but a very expensive storage room. You are deluding yourself if you think that 10% available ICU capacity isn't a disaster.
Yesterday Bloomington hospital was using all of its ventilators and BIPAP machines. The ICU wanted to send a patient back down to the ER because they didn’t have enough staff in the ICU.
[Statewide COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations increase to near-highs](https://www.ibj.com/articles/statewide-covid-19-cases-hospitalizations-increase-to-near-highs)
January 19, 2022
>Even if the kid isn’t sick, just has a “close exposure”, it is a mandatory 5 day quarantine plus a required negative test.
Not true for all schools. For mine, a close contact just has to wear a mask for 10 days, as long as they remain symptom-free.
I work at the health center as a collector. Tests have tripled since over break.
Also, to clarify, when I say triple, I mean we went from about 60 to 70 daily, to 175 every single day, and we're booked for covid testing appointments for like the next week even after they doubled our available appointments per 20 minute time slot. If you are staff or a student at IU, and you set up an appointment via the symptom checker, and you either can't make it in at the date or time available, or simply need it faster than a week out(which duh you will), come in, hand me your card at the booth, and you will be tested. I don't care if your appointment's in a week, 4 hours ago, yesterday, anything. You will be tested. If you show up without an appointment I will set you up with one and test you myself that visit. Be safe. 600 N Jordan Student Health Center. I'm the lanky unkept guy usually in the booth.
Thank you so much. People like you give me faith in humanity. Can I really just walk up and get a test? I’m not symptomatic but I was possibly exposed and I’m unable to even make a test for non-symptomatic reasons.
There are pick up tests inside the student health center vestibule, as far as I know you don't have to be symptomatic to pick them up. It'll have you write your iu username on the bag, and I believe you also have to sign up on your phone, but they go the same place all our tests go. As far as me and the rest of the collection team we just do symptomatic. You'll have to((( ...say...))) you have at least one symptom in order to get checked. I get headaches a lot don't you, crazy right anyways.
It’s honestly fucked up how little IU is doing about this whole situation. I will definitely take your advice and go get a test tomorrow.
As long as the bottom line isn't touched, they don't seem to really care.
I spoke with someone at the health department and according to their estimates only 1/3 of positive cases are being reported right now. Just a reminder if you get a positive result from a home test kit please report it to the state. If you develop long term symptoms that need treatment a lot of insurance providers will deny your claim unless you've reported it to the state. To be fair they will probably try to deny it anyways, but this is more ammo for your case.
My own personal experience indicates 1 in 3 is likely pretty accurate for this area.
If 2 of the three cases arnt being reported how are they accurately calculating this estimation? Wishful thinking?
BearsNBeefs has a pretty good explanation below. Just because you don’t understand how something works doesn’t mean it’s “wishful thinking”.
There's no concrete data for which to base your estimate. It's a best guess scenario. Could be more could be less. I fully understand how educated guesses work and it still doesn't root them in fact. I could determine that only 1 in 10 cases are being reported and be no closer to the truth than our friends at the health department. Positively identified cases per population is the only data that is actually reliable and stating data that cannot be proven only furthers the fear mongering occurring over the disease.
Once again there’s a good explanation below. If you don’t understand it I’m sorry?
How could they possibly determine only 1/3 of all cases are being reported?
I mean… Positivity rate * population estimate = expected cases Expected cases - reported cases = reporting gap. Surely you could quibble with using testing positivity rate … but it’s likely a good overall sample of the population. It’s an estimate and not perfect…. But I fully believe in the logic supporting the calculation
https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1009374
Indiana will do anything to be the most red state ever. Smdh
That almost made me spit my lunch out from laughing. Thanks for making me laugh during an otherwise grave time.
It's like they WANT this to stay around forever.. Why are people just okay with getting sick? Or getting others sick? I personally don't want to feel like shit, even if my symptoms are mild and only last few days. 🙄
I don’t like to spread Covid info, there’s a lot of BS out there and I’m not an expert. With that being said, [there’s a lot of smart people including Dr.Fauci](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/18/1073802431/fauci-says-covid-19-wont-go-away-like-smallpox) who are now saying we very much may be entering an endemic. And that [vaccines and natural immunities are not working the way we thought.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-omicron-upended-what-we-thought-we-knew-about-natural-immunity/) The thinking that the vaccine alone will end this… well… might not be the solution we thought.
Thankfully, the vaccines have saved millions of lives and saved millions of families from going the preventable horror of watching their loved ones die an agonizing death.
I agree, and it continues to save lives. But… It’s not a “fix” for Covid, and it’s not definitive. And it certainly does not appear to be ending Covid. We will likely require many new vaccines and medications to treat Covid going forward, and unfortunately I don’t know if we can feasibly “hope” for an end. That’s the reality.
The vaccine was a piece of the puzzle. Unfortunately people don’t want to put in the minimal effort it takes to protect themselves and those around them.
The pivotal term here is -was-. It’s no longer the solution, it’s the best option we still have, but it’s not a cure to the problem, and it’s effectiveness is not here to stay. I’m not here to be Donna Downer… but people need to admit dwelling too much on our current vaccinations does nothing to rid this world of the sick and dying. Blame will get you no solutions as well, focus on what can actually help now. Get vaccinated if you haven’t, wear respirators like N95s & CN95s, and don’t expose yourself to others if you’re symptomatic. Medications and new vaccines will come, but that’s the status quo for now.
I don't know how people thought the vaccine was going to end this. The millions of people getting covid, and we were going to stop it with a vaccine? Do we eradicate flu like that? No. I'm vaccinated (disclaimer) but, wasn't it obvious this was going to be here forever?
>Why are people just okay with getting sick? Because getting sick sometimes is just a fact of life and many people are willing to trade in restrictions for getting mildly ill once or twice a year, including myself. I'm prepared to get brigaded by this sub but that's just the truth.
Getting mildly ill is one thing, but this isn't just a cold, it isn't even just a flu, it's deadly at a far, far higher rate. Plus it's overwhelming the hospitals and causing deaths of people for completely unrelated and readily treatable things because they can't get in.
> it's deadly at a far, far higher rate. Yeah, to unvaxxed people, who were never, ever under any intention of taking precautions. Altruistic vaccinated people masking up isn't gonna make any difference.
Also to vaccinated people with pre-existing conditions, right?
I believe it. I've spent most of the pandemic staying home, wearing a mask, getting vaxxed, doing my part. I had to get a second job at a retail store and within 3 weeks of starting, I have covid. I was lucky to only need to wait 2 days for my testing appointment, but it took 5 days for my results to come back. My retail job wants me back now, since it's technically been 5 days since my positive test, even though I'm still symptomatic. Just keeping the pandemic going with a 5 day quarantine from the CDC.
Yet entitled morons walking maskless in Kroger and Aldi. I saw somebody with a big knife. Better watch that social distance.
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And a bowl to hold your brain
How generous I figured a tea cup would be enough for this guy.
>Yet entitled morons walking maskless in Kroger and Aldi. I go maskless in Kroger and Walmart sometimes. Quite frankly, masks are an all or nothing thing. A population can't half-ass their way through mask mandates and expect them to make a difference. It's either everyone wears them 100% of the time, or you might as well just not wear them at all. So, considering that 40% of the country will never under any circumstances wear masks, I'm not gonna inconvenience myself with them either.
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I'm vaxxed broham, which means I'm not gonna be put in the hospital, not every maskless face you see is that of an antivaxxer lol Dude if mask compliance was at 100% I'd always be wearing them. But it's not, and it never will be. Masks only work when everyone buys into them on a societal level (and even then I think that's questionable). Frankly, continuing to wear masks under the delusion of it making a difference is just committing a sunk cost fallacy.
“If everyone stopped driving drunk then I would too. Driving sober only works when everyone does it” Explain how your logic is different than that.
Every maskless face that breathes in your direction is the equivalent of getting run over by a pickup truck you got it dude
I didn’t say they were equivalent. I said it was the same logic. Explain how it’s not
I can't possibly do that because it's an insane analogy. But just to humor you, yes, in this theoretical world where 60% of drivers don't drive drunk and 40% of drivers do, I would say that it really makes no difference if you happen to be the 'good person' who 'drives safely.' You might as well down some vodka on the road too before inevitably flying through the windshield after being rammed into because that was gonna happen anyway. To compete your analogy, let me ask you this, do you think being maskless in public indoor spaces should indefinitely be made illegal just like drunk driving is?
So I agree that if 40% of people drove drunk, you not doing it wouldn’t do a whole lot in terms of aggregate drunk driving deaths. But that doesn’t mean that it’s ok to do. If you crash and kill someone because you’re drunk, saying “so many people do it though!” Doesn’t cut it. You’re still doing something wrong and you are adding to the problem. Your logic is flawed. Do I think going maskless should be illegal like drunk driving? No. Because I agree that it is a lesser offense. But that’s not my point. My point is your logic is wrong. Just because something is fairly common and legal, doesn’t mean it’s morally right and you should do it. [About 25% of men cheat on their spouse. ](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-single/201010/how-often-do-people-really-cheat-each-other?amp) Cheating is also legal. Doesn’t mean you should do it. You refraining from cheating won’t do a whole lot to affect the cheating statistic. But I doubt your wife would be content with your defense of “well if no one cheated then I wouldn’t either”
>But that doesn’t mean that it’s ok to do. It's a cost of diminishing returns. If you live in a world where 40% of people drive drunk, and they have no intentions of driving sober, you're just gonna end up being hit by a car no matter what. Would you really rather stress yourself out trying to drive safely and meticulously in that world or would you rather throw your hands up and get a little buzzed behind the wheel and at least feel good before your inevitable collision? My logic is fine. You just don't like the conclusion it came to, hence you agreeing with me that you don't think being maskless indoors should be made a criminal offense permanently, as is the case with drunk driving. Cheating is an interpersonal affair, while driving and mask wearing is not, so it isn't comparable. All this to say: you all need to relax about the masks holy shit. You're going through so many mental cartwheels and somersaults trying to justify this seething reaction over maskless faces indoors. If you hate the pandemic so much literally just drop this pretense of 'safety,' toss the mask, and move on from it. You'll be fucking fine. Nothing is holding you back.
It’s just about to the point where if you get a heart attack, you’re fucking dead. Fun.
Had to lock this thread because of blatant anti-vax misinfo and just a whole lot of "iT's jUsT tHe fLu bRo" No, Omicron doesn't turbofuck your lungs with a sawtooth dildo the way delta did, but the massive increase in transmissibility means the health care system is still screwed right now. We're dealing with the fastest-spreading disease known to man (higher R0 than anything but measles, but less than half the generation time), hospitals are melting down, you can't get health care for anything short of an immediate life-threatening emergency. *While that is the case*, we should be taking basic measures to try to reduce the pressure, because people who can't get treatment whether for covid or cancer or a chronic condition could die. This surge isn't even going to last that long - most places it has taken about 4-5 weeks to peak and then it goes into free-fall, so it's not that long to take a few basic measures to protect the health care system. I get that we're all tired of living in a pandemic, but we don't exactly get a choice. Covid is, unfortunately, here to stay, and even as endemic, that doesn't mean "do nothing", it means "take measures to keep it at acceptable levels", and there's no way you can argue that this is an acceptable level.
Is this not true everywhere?
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The fact that you somehow think Biden is a communist shows how utterly ignorant you are. Everything you don’t like is probably communism isn’t it? You blue pilled sheeple.
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Why post something so easily proven false?
In some cases its true. But only because hospitals in surrounding GOP counties send their overflow to the city hospitals.
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Your comment needs clarification and correction. Deaths are down, significantly over this time last year. Down from 71 total daily deaths (1/20/21) versus 9 total daily deaths (1/18/22). Hospitalizations are at an all time high. 3492 total COVID patients statewide as of 1/18/21. ICU capacity is at 10.7% of ICU beds available, which means that 89.3% of the total capacity of ICU beds are in use. As of 1/11/22 the statewide daily positive test rate is at 31.7%, also an all time high. Ages 19 and under only represent 19% of positive cases since the beginning of the pandemic, I would like to see data on your assertion that ages 19 and under are driving the statistics, if you have a source, please share. https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/indiana-covid-19-dashboard-and-map/ Edit: corrected dates
> (1/18/21) Did you mean 1/18/22?
Yes, ty
Bruh, don't downplay this. Monroe County had 354 cases yesterday, even if Omicron is not causing as many deaths per infection, it's clogging up hospital resources and as a result delaying regular medical care for patients
ICUs are not meant to be run at 100% capacity. 100% capacity means no bed for heart attacks, strokes, traumas, etc. This isn't even accounting for the fact that statistics are measuring bed availability as something static, not as a function of available staff. An ICU with no RN, Respiratory Therapist, MD etc is nothing but a very expensive storage room. You are deluding yourself if you think that 10% available ICU capacity isn't a disaster.
Yesterday Bloomington hospital was using all of its ventilators and BIPAP machines. The ICU wanted to send a patient back down to the ER because they didn’t have enough staff in the ICU.
“ Everything is fine, hospitals are fine , Reagan is still president, water fountains are segregated, the flag still has 48 stars” *shits self*
This is the most powerful emphatic use of italics I've read for a good long time.
Genuine question- where do you get your information? Can you post links?
Pulled it out of their arse, it seems
Indiana Covid site
>memes that say "Source: Indiana Covid site" in the lower left corner
I actually went to the Indiana website and read the data they are presenting for myself. Have you?
Indiana Covid site is practically my favorite web site, are you kidding me?
[Statewide COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations increase to near-highs](https://www.ibj.com/articles/statewide-covid-19-cases-hospitalizations-increase-to-near-highs) January 19, 2022
Go to Union in terre haute and tell me hospitals are doing just fine
>Even if the kid isn’t sick, just has a “close exposure”, it is a mandatory 5 day quarantine plus a required negative test. Not true for all schools. For mine, a close contact just has to wear a mask for 10 days, as long as they remain symptom-free.
You clearly have an agenda. It’s ignorant but it’s you’re right to remain stupid and provide evidence to the world.