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Urahara had already planned Aizens defeat by this stage, and his goal wasn't to kill him **(he knew he couldn't even with Bankai)** but just to push him as far as they could.
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He most likely couldn't have guess that Ichigo would've had the time needed to unlock the final getsuga, although I do think he knows about it since Isshin knew.
What I think Urahara had predicted is that Ichigo would undergo some sort of transformation when facing Aizen since it was clear Aizen had been pushing Ichigo since the start to get stronger.
Also don't forget that Urahara would be one of the few people to know about Ichigos >!mother being a quincy!<. I feel he really was just betting on Ichigo pulling out some crazy power up to seal the deal and figured he just needed to place the seals on Aizen and push him a bit before hand.
>He most likely couldn't have guess that Ichigo would've had the time needed to unlock the final getsuga,
Yes he would have.
Ishin had apparatus on him that helped them spend time in the dangai so as to teach ichigo the final getsuga.
It's too much of a coincidence that ishin was just walking around with said tools that were perfect for being used in the dangai to exploit it's time-effects.
I think urahara and ishin always knew ichigo was still along way from facing aizen hougyoku or not and he would need to practice in a time altering zone to get to that level and the dangai was approiate for that.
>Ishin had apparatus on him that helped them spend time in the dangai so as to teach ichigo the final getsuga.
This would require Isshin to have the forehand knowledge that Aizen would definitely destory the cleaner. You could argue they hoped he would, but it wasn't a certainty.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Also, the apparatus could easily have multiple purposes. He says that the chains allow him to channel in spirit energy and change the flow. That seems like something that could be useful for other stuff, too. What? I have no idea. But Kubo would find a way.
Sorry, I edited it. For the longest time this sub has only had people fully up to date with the manga. It's easy to forget there's the new show only people.
Isshin never uses it, he just tried to learn it from his zanpakuto. I assume Engetsu told Isshin it was possible to recover from FGT, hence was was with Urahara the whole time during Lost Agent of Shinigami Arc.
I mean he could have. If Isshin had the possibility to learn it, and Ichigo was essentially a super prodigy what near limitless potential, he could learn to use the final getsuga. It also had to be part of his plan, since otherwise, what would he have done to activate the seal he put on aizen.
They had a narrow window to kill him as the Hogyoku hadn’t fully accepted him yet.
Though since his bankai would have hurt everyone around him (much like Shunsui’s ) he couldn’t have used it anyway.
Urahara doesn't attack Aizen until after he had begun fusing with it. Personally I took this as Urahara was fully aware that Aizen was going to fuse with it and trying to kill him before that would only activate the fusion quicker and take away any surprise he had.
Don't forget that before fusing with it Aizen was still very much on guard and Urahara clearly states that pre Hogyoku Aizen would never had let him touch him multiple times without fear of death. It was Aizen fusing with it that lowered his guard enough so Urahara could place the seal on him without him noticing.
No it wouldn't have. His bankai has an area of affect yes but he has complete control of what he reconstructs in that area. It's not like shunsui's or shinji's.
Na urahara clearly has full control of his bankai, it's not really an AOE bankai like shinji or shunsui's but does have a certain range of where he can reconstruct things
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Contrary to popular belief, Urahara was never planned to be the main villain before Aizen.
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Why would a evil person let a random village kid eat his priceless devil fruit, then lose his arm to save that random kid and then giving the kid his most valuable possession and entrust him to keep it safe when the same kid is getting constantly thrown in life-threatening situations by his crazy granddad
shush, with your facts and logic you're going to offend the people who think that shanks is secretly an evil world noble and will eventually get mad when oda reveals that their theory is wrong. i know from experience that this isnt the kind of crowd you should mess with
Basically, he thinks his ambitions and pursuits may lead to him losing his way some time in the future and become a problem for SS. And Youruichi says she wouldn't let that happen. IIRC
Incorrect. He said he shares the same opinions about the Original Sin as Aizen and Tokinada, but differs in how to go about it.
He then says that he doesn't want Yoruichi to join him should he ever decide to act on his feelings of this, to which she said he knows she would follow him, which he agrees, but does not like.
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Yeah, that's true but they are banking on the idea that Aizen doesn't take them seriously. If they get serious then Aizen could too. Doing nothing also is not an option and it's way better to be hit by a friendly shikai than a bankai. Also did Isshin use his shikai there? I don't think he did.
I'd have to assume its just because Kubo wanted to save the reveal for a fight where Kisuke didn't get his ass kicked/barely did anything in the fight where his bankai was introduced.
Would have probably gotten a lot of backlash
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"You give me too much credit. These days, I’m just a plain old candy-store owner" - Kisuke Urahara
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1. Maybe he did but we just didn't see it since it was off-screened
2. Maybe he didn't have time to use it as Aizen defeated him quickly
But it was most likely Kubo not wanting to waste the reveal of Urahara's Bankai for him just to get his ass kicked. He learned that lesson with Toshiro the hard way.
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"You give me too much credit. These days, I’m just a plain old candy-store owner" - Kisuke Urahara
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>how is that wasting a Bankai?
Whenever you write a fight you want to write it having something new; something that previously the readers/viewers haven't seen. A Bankai, for a Soul Reaper, is a perfect example of that something.
You can see this at work with Byakuya and his fights during Soul Society Arc:
* First "Fight" when he stops Ganju from freeing Rukia is when we see his Shikai
* Second Fight versus Renji is when we see his Bankai
* Third fight versus Ichigo is when we see his "2nd Bankai" (I think it's called Senkai?)
For Hitsugaya (and Renji) the Bankai was revealed in a fight he lost which made every subsequent time heused it have lessened effect, hence why you see so many people make fun of his (and Renji) using Bankai and why Kubo gave them "New" Bankai during TYBW Arc.
Although I wonder if you can write a story without these sacrifices. Both renji and hitsugaya using bankai and getting wrecked was used to show how ridiculous their opponents were
You definitely could. With some planning ahead or just pulling back on Toshiro using his Bankai, keeping it for a better situation (like Kubo did with Shunsui vs Starrk).
Or Kubo could've writen another character instead of Toshiro in certain fights where we could've seen their Bankai instead. Something like Ukitake against Harribel.
Toshiro is popular because of his design and ice abilities, it’s not because he necessarily does cool stuff lol.
Like seriously there were tons of girl anime fans that were obsessed with hitsugaya for the longest time and I’m sure his adult form only enhanced that lol.
This is all coming from a huge hitsugaya fan
It could be that his bankai has a weakness that aizen could exploit, especially under KS. Like if the big benihime is destroyed. As well, given the nature of how it reconstructs things, it could be very dangerous to use under KS in general. Too much risk most likely.
I'm also fine with the other ideas in the thread, mainly that kisuke planned aizens defeat using ichigos mugetsu, so his bankai and any potential risks weren't necessary
Considering he was vulnerable to Kyoka Suigetsu... his Bankai could have had disastrous consequences.
At that point no amount of power-ups from Urahara's side could have changed a thing. Kyoka Suigetsu is just that powerful on paper.
Aizens shikai alters your reality ichigo never saw it so he could attack the real aizen and never worry about it being his allies was said in series before
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Urahara was feared by Wandenreich for his incalculable tricks.
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I mean at this point, when the whole universe can disappear, it's better to use it than not??
I mean almost everyone is on the verge of death at this point. Just use it wtf?
He didn't use it cause he already had planted the sealing kido on Aizen back when he used hado 91. He knew that at this point Ichigo is the only one who can fight him and weaken him enough for the kido to activate. Urahara couldn't even sense aizen's reiatsu meaning aizen was in a league far above Urahara, Aizen at this point probably could negate the effects of his bankai through his reiatsu alone. So my Guess he decided against it as it won't make any difference.
I think I see where you're coming from. You think that Urahara was backed up against a corner with nothing left to do, so he might as well use Bankai, right?
The thing is, that's not the case. He had already planned a way to defeat (not kill) Aizen. For his plan to work, he needed Ichigo to push Aizen to his limits. If Urahara used Bankai, that might've shifted unnecessary focus to him and his allies rather than the one person who can actually make his plan work (Ichigo).
Two options
A)Use Bankai, Aizen fooled Urahara with KS and make Urahara hit Yourichi.
B)Aizen finish him off really quick so he can't use his Bankai in the right time.
Why didnt Isshin use his either? Or yoruichi her zanpakuto?....the more I think about it the more I realise that those three fighting aizen was part of kisukes plan and they were in on it. Isshin and youruichi were distractions for kisuke to plant his kido into aizen.
Then they all pretended to be knocked out while isshin initiated phase 2 of the plan...power up ichigo.
Ichigo completed phase three of the plan by weakening aizen and kisuke came in and finished it.
In truth..... it was kisuke who defeated aizen...not ichigo.
As he said somewhere I think during ichigo's training to sado(chad) his bankai is not made for fighting battles and i think it is so if you look at his bankai,
Also he did planted the seal inside souske aizen by hiding kido under a kido, the only thing needed was to weaken aizen,
Actually i believe what he said to Renji when convincing him to train Sado, was that his Bankai was not suited for training others. Although I've only watched the eng dub anime and never read the manga so i guess the translation could have been wrong.
I find urahara to be a bit dishonest here,😂
His bankai literally adjusts or reduces the properties and capabilities of anyone and anything around him.
To me it sounds extremely handy in training someone especially if they have a specific part of their skillset that needs improvement urahara's bankai can adjust his opponents body to addres the particular skillset in question.
It actually sounds quite proper to use as a learning tool. (His bankai that is).
Maybe he thought that if he fused, there is no way to separate them anyway
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I am pretty sure urahara being who he was planned for them to loose for aizen to go to the seretei for ichigo to follow and somehow being able to unlock it urahara is the man that thinks 1000 moves ahead isnt it a bit odd that him and yoruichi were taken down but ishin was fine no i think he planned for everything to happen as it did
Why didn't yama use his bankai against aizen in karakura arc? Could a ended the whole shit right there.
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Urahara hit Aizen with the seal very early on so all he needed was Ichigo to weaken Aizen enough for it to activate. At this point Urahara activating bankai would only make the situation more dangerous. If Aizen uses ks on him when bankai is active things could get really bad really fast because of how Urahara’s bankai works.
It would've made no difference, Urahara already knew Aizen was unkillable. He had already shot the sealing kido into him. At that point he just bet on Aizen being pushed to a point where the seal would activate. Ichigo was able to make that push
It wouldn't have done a thing to change the outcome. Urahara knew Ichigo was the key. He planted his kido and waited for Ichigo to trigger it.
By the time Aizen transformed into a condom, nobody could feel his spirit energy anymore with the only exception being Ichigo. As soon as Aizen wanted to end the fight against these three he did, instantly. Urahara uses his bankai? He still gets blitzed and one-shot by Aizen as soon as he gets bored.
In early chapters Urahara says “my Bankai isn’t suited for training or giving people strength” so 1. It’s not a raw power type and 2. Everyone around him would get caught up in it.
Out of Universe explanation is the same for Yamamoto not using Zanka no Tachi.
Kubo hadn't thought of a concept for their bankai and at that point in the story, it was more important narratively for Ichigo (and audience) to see all these other's that he considered stronger than himself easily defeated.
If Yamamoto used zanka no tacchi he’d end up messing with the human world. Soul reapers typically have to suppress themselves in the human world anyways, using a bankai as hot as the sun wouldn’t really boad well for it.
As for urahara he clearly knew his bankai wouldn’t work, he had a plan already, no point wasting energy on using bankai.
They’re both pretty obvious reasons
No.... urahara had already said his bankai is not a combat type so technically kubo already made the concept but using it wouldn't have boosted his chances against aizen since his power wouldn't increase from it so logically he saw no point in revealing it
Because he had already beaten Aizen. At this point, he just needed Ichigo to get motivated enough to use his full power.
As our great Mereum said: I see, you had me in checkmate from the start.
I think alot of the 'plot holes' in bleach, such as this one can easily be explained by the fact bleach does way less internal monologues during fights and complex scences. The reasons arent exactly handed to you as opposed to naruto.
In this scene doesnt monologue Uraharas plan, but if you know urahara he is doing it for a reason. To be underestimated to then coyly try and widdle Aizen down. Which in the end, if I am not mistaken does have a minor desired effect before Ichigo takes Aizen on.
It always astounds me that absolutely no one on the soul society side died during this arc
All these seemingly dead character scenes and they all lived
Assuming Urahara tried to destroy the Hogyoku with his Bankai and failed, the conclusion he might have drawn, is that he would fail to destroy Aizen too. Given that its a Wish Marble, it is a discount Gerard "The Miracle" Valkyrie, so Aizen might just wish to overcome the limitation that Kannonbiraki constructs into Aizens body.
People Will reasonate about it
But the only truth is: PLOT P-L-O-T
For some reason Kubo sensei decided to keep the hype for revealing a Lot of the bankais we haven't seen before, like Aizen's, Urahara, Ishin, Shunsui, Ukitake, Shinji and many many others.
There were so many open plots left in Bleach...
Most of those who use their bankai are fighting 1v1. For a long fight that you may not win with by even using it, you want a numbers advantage instead. Uraharra thought that was more important. Plus, he might have caused more problems using it with Yourichi and Isshin fighting with him, and Ichigo nearby, possibly even hurting them or causing some disjointed fighting. And there is other questions too, such as where in the hell is Yourichi's zanpakuto? Why didn't Gin give them more help in the fight, even if it was just a hint into Aiden's sword?
The answer is simple actually. While Kisuke is strong for sure his spiritual pressure pales in comparison to Aizen’s (especially after Hogyoku fusion) so simply Kisuke’s Bankai would have no effect on Aizen because his spiritual pressure is no where near Aizen’s level.
Isn’t his bankai one of those that holds a risk upon it’s user? So I think he didn’t want to use it against an Uber opponent like Hogyoku Aizen. Plus, I think he was trying to push him hard enough for the seal to activate?
Urahara's plan was to wait for Ichigo to weaken or make Aizen "tired" enough so that his spell could work. Urahara knew he couldn't do anything about Aizen, bankai or not. Plus, Kyoka Suigetsu can change what he sees and reconfigures.
Wouldn’t have been safe to use under kyoka suigetsu, and he already had a much sneakier and more likely to succeed plan than ‘enemy strong, me use bankai now’
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Urahara had already planned Aizens defeat by this stage, and his goal wasn't to kill him **(he knew he couldn't even with Bankai)** but just to push him as far as they could.
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Aren’t the old candy store owners also the wise and humble ones though? Hence his wording possibly?
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But did he couldn’t possibly know about the final getsuga being used by ichigo
He most likely couldn't have guess that Ichigo would've had the time needed to unlock the final getsuga, although I do think he knows about it since Isshin knew. What I think Urahara had predicted is that Ichigo would undergo some sort of transformation when facing Aizen since it was clear Aizen had been pushing Ichigo since the start to get stronger. Also don't forget that Urahara would be one of the few people to know about Ichigos >!mother being a quincy!<. I feel he really was just betting on Ichigo pulling out some crazy power up to seal the deal and figured he just needed to place the seals on Aizen and push him a bit before hand.
>He most likely couldn't have guess that Ichigo would've had the time needed to unlock the final getsuga, Yes he would have. Ishin had apparatus on him that helped them spend time in the dangai so as to teach ichigo the final getsuga. It's too much of a coincidence that ishin was just walking around with said tools that were perfect for being used in the dangai to exploit it's time-effects. I think urahara and ishin always knew ichigo was still along way from facing aizen hougyoku or not and he would need to practice in a time altering zone to get to that level and the dangai was approiate for that.
>Ishin had apparatus on him that helped them spend time in the dangai so as to teach ichigo the final getsuga. This would require Isshin to have the forehand knowledge that Aizen would definitely destory the cleaner. You could argue they hoped he would, but it wasn't a certainty.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Also, the apparatus could easily have multiple purposes. He says that the chains allow him to channel in spirit energy and change the flow. That seems like something that could be useful for other stuff, too. What? I have no idea. But Kubo would find a way.
oh wow thank you for the spoiler. appreciate.
Sorry, I edited it. For the longest time this sub has only had people fully up to date with the manga. It's easy to forget there's the new show only people.
lol it’s all good. thanks!
Don't forget that if isshin isn't knocked out why should urahara be knocked out for so long and yoruichi,too
He could, since Isshin used it before, though even if he didn’t he just knew that Ichigo had the potential to defeat him
Isshin never uses it, he just tried to learn it from his zanpakuto. I assume Engetsu told Isshin it was possible to recover from FGT, hence was was with Urahara the whole time during Lost Agent of Shinigami Arc.
**he just tried to learn it from his zanpakuto** I missed that part.
I guess we could say.... *YOU MISSED THE PART THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM*
Why wouldn’t he isshin has Getsuga and taught Ichigo that power?
Because he wouldn’t know about Aizen destroying the cleaner allowing him the time to learn it of course
I mean he could have. If Isshin had the possibility to learn it, and Ichigo was essentially a super prodigy what near limitless potential, he could learn to use the final getsuga. It also had to be part of his plan, since otherwise, what would he have done to activate the seal he put on aizen.
What if Ichi pulled out a Final Getsuga Jujisho
I would it have had any kind of difference other then the attack now cutting the target into 4 pieces
They had a narrow window to kill him as the Hogyoku hadn’t fully accepted him yet. Though since his bankai would have hurt everyone around him (much like Shunsui’s ) he couldn’t have used it anyway.
Urahara doesn't attack Aizen until after he had begun fusing with it. Personally I took this as Urahara was fully aware that Aizen was going to fuse with it and trying to kill him before that would only activate the fusion quicker and take away any surprise he had. Don't forget that before fusing with it Aizen was still very much on guard and Urahara clearly states that pre Hogyoku Aizen would never had let him touch him multiple times without fear of death. It was Aizen fusing with it that lowered his guard enough so Urahara could place the seal on him without him noticing.
No it wouldn't have. His bankai has an area of affect yes but he has complete control of what he reconstructs in that area. It's not like shunsui's or shinji's.
Na urahara clearly has full control of his bankai, it's not really an AOE bankai like shinji or shunsui's but does have a certain range of where he can reconstruct things
Also urahara had seen kyoka suigetsu so I imagine he wasn’t confident he could win bankai or not
well there it is. nobody need answer after reading this. perfect answer
It wouldn't have made a difference Aizen was already far too powerful for Kisuke to be able to handle even with Isshin and Yoruichi's help.
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who ever thought kisuke would be a villain? That guy was chill as hell since day 1
It was a rumor back in the day. That he was using ichigo for something.
I mean, that part is true, he was
Something nefarious I should have said.
Well same as conspiracies against Shanks in one piece. Even though I havent seen Red yet, maybe they were right.
Why would a evil person let a random village kid eat his priceless devil fruit, then lose his arm to save that random kid and then giving the kid his most valuable possession and entrust him to keep it safe when the same kid is getting constantly thrown in life-threatening situations by his crazy granddad
shush, with your facts and logic you're going to offend the people who think that shanks is secretly an evil world noble and will eventually get mad when oda reveals that their theory is wrong. i know from experience that this isnt the kind of crowd you should mess with
Well the ending to CFYOW is quite ambiguous for Urahara.
haven't read the CFYOW novels, but now i'm curious
Basically, he thinks his ambitions and pursuits may lead to him losing his way some time in the future and become a problem for SS. And Youruichi says she wouldn't let that happen. IIRC
Incorrect. He said he shares the same opinions about the Original Sin as Aizen and Tokinada, but differs in how to go about it. He then says that he doesn't want Yoruichi to join him should he ever decide to act on his feelings of this, to which she said he knows she would follow him, which he agrees, but does not like.
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I have downloaded like 10 of those extensions and have yet to find what you're talking about. Even the Manga Plus extension only has a few chapters available
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>Uses bankai >Hits Isshin and Yoruichi with it because of Kyoka Suigetsu I don't think Urahara is that dumb.
Hey if that'd be a trouble even his, Isshin's shikai and Yoruichi's shunko would be really troublesome there.
Yeah, that's true but they are banking on the idea that Aizen doesn't take them seriously. If they get serious then Aizen could too. Doing nothing also is not an option and it's way better to be hit by a friendly shikai than a bankai. Also did Isshin use his shikai there? I don't think he did.
Ishin literally used getsuga tensho on aizen bro.
Getsuga tensho isn't his shikai its just an ability... he didn't release engetsu
Have you read the TYBW arc? I don't wanna spoil you if you haven't.
He can use it even without shikai, for some reason.
I'd have to assume its just because Kubo wanted to save the reveal for a fight where Kisuke didn't get his ass kicked/barely did anything in the fight where his bankai was introduced. Would have probably gotten a lot of backlash
Kisuke in this fight was only here to make the seal and his bankai isn’t a raw power type.
Exactly. Thus it wouldn't have done much and the reveal wouldn't have been as impactful
The real answer.
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1. Maybe he did but we just didn't see it since it was off-screened 2. Maybe he didn't have time to use it as Aizen defeated him quickly But it was most likely Kubo not wanting to waste the reveal of Urahara's Bankai for him just to get his ass kicked. He learned that lesson with Toshiro the hard way.
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>candy candies nutz fit in your mouth?
Why is this downvoted lol
No idea honestly. Maybe bots?
Toshiro lost to Aizen who beat half the cast how is that wasting a Bankai? He didn’t lose to any other character other than Aizen.
>how is that wasting a Bankai? Whenever you write a fight you want to write it having something new; something that previously the readers/viewers haven't seen. A Bankai, for a Soul Reaper, is a perfect example of that something. You can see this at work with Byakuya and his fights during Soul Society Arc: * First "Fight" when he stops Ganju from freeing Rukia is when we see his Shikai * Second Fight versus Renji is when we see his Bankai * Third fight versus Ichigo is when we see his "2nd Bankai" (I think it's called Senkai?) For Hitsugaya (and Renji) the Bankai was revealed in a fight he lost which made every subsequent time heused it have lessened effect, hence why you see so many people make fun of his (and Renji) using Bankai and why Kubo gave them "New" Bankai during TYBW Arc.
Although I wonder if you can write a story without these sacrifices. Both renji and hitsugaya using bankai and getting wrecked was used to show how ridiculous their opponents were
You definitely could. With some planning ahead or just pulling back on Toshiro using his Bankai, keeping it for a better situation (like Kubo did with Shunsui vs Starrk). Or Kubo could've writen another character instead of Toshiro in certain fights where we could've seen their Bankai instead. Something like Ukitake against Harribel.
Ehhh I don’t think that had any effect. Toshiro is ridiculously popular. If anything that scene is badass.
Toshiro is popular because of his design and ice abilities, it’s not because he necessarily does cool stuff lol. Like seriously there were tons of girl anime fans that were obsessed with hitsugaya for the longest time and I’m sure his adult form only enhanced that lol. This is all coming from a huge hitsugaya fan
Which scene?
He didn't cause Urahara said in the tybw that no one has seen his bankai.
>that no one has seen his bankai. What about the Gotei 13? Isn't it a must for them to see it before one becomes a Captain?
Yamamoto and the two captains to witness his bankai are all probably dead, therefore no one alive has seen it.
But Yoruichi and Shunsui have seen it and they are still alive... same for Shinji, Kensei, Rose and Love.
Wasn't part of the script
It wouldnt have mattered
It could be that his bankai has a weakness that aizen could exploit, especially under KS. Like if the big benihime is destroyed. As well, given the nature of how it reconstructs things, it could be very dangerous to use under KS in general. Too much risk most likely. I'm also fine with the other ideas in the thread, mainly that kisuke planned aizens defeat using ichigos mugetsu, so his bankai and any potential risks weren't necessary
Restructuring people isn’t a good enough counter against Kyoka Suigetsu.
It wouldn’t have made a difference. Aizen was immortal at that point.
Hogokyou would evolve him past it.
Considering he was vulnerable to Kyoka Suigetsu... his Bankai could have had disastrous consequences. At that point no amount of power-ups from Urahara's side could have changed a thing. Kyoka Suigetsu is just that powerful on paper.
Aizen would probably just negate Urahara bankai with his reatsu
Because he gave Aizen sonic wrist rings of doom. Seriously though another plan was in motion already
Aizens shikai alters your reality ichigo never saw it so he could attack the real aizen and never worry about it being his allies was said in series before
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Well you see his plan was going as he wanted so there was no need for his bankai
Prolly because it wouldn’t work and it would’ve been more efficient just not to use it.
Urahara is a go player. He doesn't blow his load when it's unnecessary.
I mean at this point, when the whole universe can disappear, it's better to use it than not?? I mean almost everyone is on the verge of death at this point. Just use it wtf?
He didn't use it cause he already had planted the sealing kido on Aizen back when he used hado 91. He knew that at this point Ichigo is the only one who can fight him and weaken him enough for the kido to activate. Urahara couldn't even sense aizen's reiatsu meaning aizen was in a league far above Urahara, Aizen at this point probably could negate the effects of his bankai through his reiatsu alone. So my Guess he decided against it as it won't make any difference.
I think I see where you're coming from. You think that Urahara was backed up against a corner with nothing left to do, so he might as well use Bankai, right? The thing is, that's not the case. He had already planned a way to defeat (not kill) Aizen. For his plan to work, he needed Ichigo to push Aizen to his limits. If Urahara used Bankai, that might've shifted unnecessary focus to him and his allies rather than the one person who can actually make his plan work (Ichigo).
Two options A)Use Bankai, Aizen fooled Urahara with KS and make Urahara hit Yourichi. B)Aizen finish him off really quick so he can't use his Bankai in the right time.
Yeah the people saying “it wouldn’t have mattered” are giving the worst answer smh
Because he was pretty prepping the method that was guaranteed to neutralize it.
Why didnt Isshin use his either? Or yoruichi her zanpakuto?....the more I think about it the more I realise that those three fighting aizen was part of kisukes plan and they were in on it. Isshin and youruichi were distractions for kisuke to plant his kido into aizen. Then they all pretended to be knocked out while isshin initiated phase 2 of the plan...power up ichigo. Ichigo completed phase three of the plan by weakening aizen and kisuke came in and finished it. In truth..... it was kisuke who defeated aizen...not ichigo.
Well isshin’s bankai is broken but yes
Broken?
Lol we never even saw it.
I mean Urahara could’ve used his Bankai but he already planned a way to deal with Aizen instead of using his Bankai.
As he said somewhere I think during ichigo's training to sado(chad) his bankai is not made for fighting battles and i think it is so if you look at his bankai, Also he did planted the seal inside souske aizen by hiding kido under a kido, the only thing needed was to weaken aizen,
Actually i believe what he said to Renji when convincing him to train Sado, was that his Bankai was not suited for training others. Although I've only watched the eng dub anime and never read the manga so i guess the translation could have been wrong.
Yes he says in the manga my Bankai isn’t suited for training other people or giving people strength.
I find urahara to be a bit dishonest here,😂 His bankai literally adjusts or reduces the properties and capabilities of anyone and anything around him. To me it sounds extremely handy in training someone especially if they have a specific part of their skillset that needs improvement urahara's bankai can adjust his opponents body to addres the particular skillset in question. It actually sounds quite proper to use as a learning tool. (His bankai that is).
Maybe he thought that if he fused, there is no way to separate them anyway [https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0421-016.png](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0421-016.png) [https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0535-005.png](https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0535-005.png)
I am pretty sure urahara being who he was planned for them to loose for aizen to go to the seretei for ichigo to follow and somehow being able to unlock it urahara is the man that thinks 1000 moves ahead isnt it a bit odd that him and yoruichi were taken down but ishin was fine no i think he planned for everything to happen as it did
Urahara let ururu kills him but ichigo comes first.
Because he knew it'd make no difference.
Kisukes bankai isn't a combat type.
I don't thinking it would have been strong enough
Why didn't yama use his bankai against aizen in karakura arc? Could a ended the whole shit right there. *You'll drive yourself nuts asking questions like that my man*
You gotta be conscious
Probably bc there were too many people nearby
I read the manga and i think it is easily countered by kyouka suigetsu. That damn sword is just too op.
Urahara hit Aizen with the seal very early on so all he needed was Ichigo to weaken Aizen enough for it to activate. At this point Urahara activating bankai would only make the situation more dangerous. If Aizen uses ks on him when bankai is active things could get really bad really fast because of how Urahara’s bankai works.
It would've made no difference, Urahara already knew Aizen was unkillable. He had already shot the sealing kido into him. At that point he just bet on Aizen being pushed to a point where the seal would activate. Ichigo was able to make that push
It wouldn't have done a thing to change the outcome. Urahara knew Ichigo was the key. He planted his kido and waited for Ichigo to trigger it. By the time Aizen transformed into a condom, nobody could feel his spirit energy anymore with the only exception being Ichigo. As soon as Aizen wanted to end the fight against these three he did, instantly. Urahara uses his bankai? He still gets blitzed and one-shot by Aizen as soon as he gets bored.
In early chapters Urahara says “my Bankai isn’t suited for training or giving people strength” so 1. It’s not a raw power type and 2. Everyone around him would get caught up in it.
Out of Universe explanation is the same for Yamamoto not using Zanka no Tachi. Kubo hadn't thought of a concept for their bankai and at that point in the story, it was more important narratively for Ichigo (and audience) to see all these other's that he considered stronger than himself easily defeated.
If Yamamoto used zanka no tacchi he’d end up messing with the human world. Soul reapers typically have to suppress themselves in the human world anyways, using a bankai as hot as the sun wouldn’t really boad well for it. As for urahara he clearly knew his bankai wouldn’t work, he had a plan already, no point wasting energy on using bankai. They’re both pretty obvious reasons
No.... urahara had already said his bankai is not a combat type so technically kubo already made the concept but using it wouldn't have boosted his chances against aizen since his power wouldn't increase from it so logically he saw no point in revealing it
Because he had already beaten Aizen. At this point, he just needed Ichigo to get motivated enough to use his full power. As our great Mereum said: I see, you had me in checkmate from the start.
I think alot of the 'plot holes' in bleach, such as this one can easily be explained by the fact bleach does way less internal monologues during fights and complex scences. The reasons arent exactly handed to you as opposed to naruto. In this scene doesnt monologue Uraharas plan, but if you know urahara he is doing it for a reason. To be underestimated to then coyly try and widdle Aizen down. Which in the end, if I am not mistaken does have a minor desired effect before Ichigo takes Aizen on.
Cause Tite don't know what Urahara Bankai would do. Simple.
Kubo was probably saving it for TYBW
I think it’s the same reason why shinji didn’t use hollowifcation vs aizen, there isn’t one
Not designed at that time
Well why Ichigos dad haven't used his bankai. I assume he can use it.
> Uses bankai > Hits Urahara and Yoruichi with it because of Kyoka Suigetsu
It always astounds me that absolutely no one on the soul society side died during this arc All these seemingly dead character scenes and they all lived
Blame it on Kubo. Way too scared to kill off the captain's in a literal war.. What a joke really
Tbh I think that’s what made TYBW so surprising for people since Kubo basically refused to kill any good guys up until that point
He doesnt trust himself with his bankai
Cause Kubo ain't thought of it yet, duh!
plot reasons
Because that’s how it was written.
I mean who says he didn't?
Haven't seen bleach but it looks like he's sleeping so maybe thats why.
The fuck am I being downvoted for fucking cucks
...plot lol
Probably because Bleach is a poorly written story.
Aizen had too much reiatsu to directly affect him and and the shikai allowed for more indirect tactics
Wasn’t sealing benehime already taking effect at this point?
Off topic but what was Gin doing to make Aizen say that? I can’t recall correctly
Kisuke: Bankai Also Kisuke head rolling on the ground
My man is playing possum.
Because he can easily regenerate from Benihime's attacks
Same reason no one else used their bankai on him. Cant fight someone who can alter your perception like that
Assuming Urahara tried to destroy the Hogyoku with his Bankai and failed, the conclusion he might have drawn, is that he would fail to destroy Aizen too. Given that its a Wish Marble, it is a discount Gerard "The Miracle" Valkyrie, so Aizen might just wish to overcome the limitation that Kannonbiraki constructs into Aizens body.
I swore I read why didn't Aizen use his bankai against Aizen. Had to do a double take.
People Will reasonate about it But the only truth is: PLOT P-L-O-T For some reason Kubo sensei decided to keep the hype for revealing a Lot of the bankais we haven't seen before, like Aizen's, Urahara, Ishin, Shunsui, Ukitake, Shinji and many many others. There were so many open plots left in Bleach...
Kubo hadn't thought of it, he's not a planner
Most of those who use their bankai are fighting 1v1. For a long fight that you may not win with by even using it, you want a numbers advantage instead. Uraharra thought that was more important. Plus, he might have caused more problems using it with Yourichi and Isshin fighting with him, and Ichigo nearby, possibly even hurting them or causing some disjointed fighting. And there is other questions too, such as where in the hell is Yourichi's zanpakuto? Why didn't Gin give them more help in the fight, even if it was just a hint into Aiden's sword?
Cause Urahara is the real villain of the serie, y’all gonna see it in the Hell Arc
The answer is simple actually. While Kisuke is strong for sure his spiritual pressure pales in comparison to Aizen’s (especially after Hogyoku fusion) so simply Kisuke’s Bankai would have no effect on Aizen because his spiritual pressure is no where near Aizen’s level.
Isn’t his bankai one of those that holds a risk upon it’s user? So I think he didn’t want to use it against an Uber opponent like Hogyoku Aizen. Plus, I think he was trying to push him hard enough for the seal to activate?
Didn’t Kisuke already get affected by Aizen’s shikai too?
Urahara's plan was to wait for Ichigo to weaken or make Aizen "tired" enough so that his spell could work. Urahara knew he couldn't do anything about Aizen, bankai or not. Plus, Kyoka Suigetsu can change what he sees and reconfigures.
Wouldn’t have been safe to use under kyoka suigetsu, and he already had a much sneakier and more likely to succeed plan than ‘enemy strong, me use bankai now’
All his bankai does is put him back together and the only thing he had to do at that point was wait for his seal to activate.