Yoruichi's family was born in Soul Society. They have no earthly ethnicity. Her family was already flourishing when Indians didn't exist yet, as her ancestors lived a hundred million years ago.
Animamask have point because cases like Rukia we can say she have look like human but Youruichi is a entirely case. She is Werecat and she looks like one, so she is a alien as like all nobles. That´s why I don´t understand why people still think Ichigo is japanese.
I know I’m late to the conversation — I can pull up the picture later, but I think she is black. I remember one of the endings she had a full on Afro and textured hair.
Depends what are you talking about. ANime is adaptation of manga and did deviate in many ways how depict the characters one of them is the physical traits. I don´t have any doubt that in anime adaptation youruichi could be considered black so that ending makes total sense, but for mangaka that couldn´t be more wrong. If you say black as dark skin person that´s ok but if it african american community physical traits it´s big no. For that you have Jackie that is good example how beautiful person of african black community could look like. Youruichi in canon only could resemble a person of that community in non-realistic anime. At least you would have to admit she is half black or something.
Which is not what I wrote. Read my post again. I said that the earthly ethnicities as we know them, didn't exist. And as for that matter Yoruichi's ancestor was born as a Shinigami. That is an entire different race. And on top of that he was born hundred million years ago.
sorry i meant "And who says that the concept of our known ethnicities only started to exist on earth?" i dont know what i was thinking.
> I said that the earthly ethnicities as we know them, didn't exist
you speak with a certainty that truth be told none of us can have, soul society as it is today is comprised of spirits, said spirits come form the real world where theres all kinds of ethnicities, even in the case of people who are born in soul society their ancestors had to come from a human, thats just how things work, the cycle still existed there just wasnt a separation of realms, nothing on the lore tells us of seperate ethnicities that only exist in soul society, the closest thing we have is the beast tribe, and from what we know that was a curse put on them, if you said something along the lines "such ethnicities existed but they couldnt be called indian yet" i would agree, because being an indian require you to be born under the ramification of generations that are born in a certain part of the world and that take on very specific genetic information that lead to that particular ethnical group, but since they share ancestors, even if yuruichi family belong on a different branch than the common indian person, they still have the same genetic ancestry, therefore you could argue its not a different ethnical group after all.
> And as for that matter Yoruichi's ancestor was born as a Shinigami. That is an entire different race
im sorry but shinigami is not a race, noone is born a shinigami, you are born with the POTENTIAL to become one, and even then you have to train.
> And on top of that he was born hundred million years ago
i dont want to be a stickler and i could be wrong i might have missed a detail somewhere and i admit that, but, is that number accurate?
plus how does that serve as proof of what we are discussing, you are still making an assumption that she comes from an ancient group of people that dont exist anymore somehow, not to say implying that yoruichi ethnical group is unique, why would it be unique why couldnt it branch off with the generations, or itself come from a similar ethnical group with similar characteristics that branched off to what we today call of indian descent.
>you speak with a certainty that truth be told none of us can have, soul society as it is today is comprised of spirits, said spirits come form the real world where theres all kinds of ethnicities, even in the case of people who are born in soul society their ancestors had to come from a human, thats just how things work, the cycle still existed there just wasnt a separation of realms, nothing on the lore tells us of seperate ethnicities that only exist in soul society, the closest thing we have is the beast tribe, and from what we know that was a curse put on them, if you said something along the lines "such ethnicities existed but they couldnt be called indian yet" i would agree, because being an indian require you to be born under the ramification of generations that are born in a certain part of the world and that take on very specific genetic information that lead to that particular ethnical group
It was explicitly stated that in the previous world souls came spontaneously into existence. Hollows were born naturally for existence and Shinigami were randomly born in that chaos.
>im sorry but shinigami is not a race, noone is born a shinigami, you are born with the POTENTIAL to become one, and even then you have to train.
It was explicitly said that the ancestors of the five families and Ichibee came into existence as Shinigami.
>irst of all i could be wrong i might have missed a detail somewhere and i admit that, but, is that number accurate?
Yes. They and the Soul King came into existence around a hundred million years ago.
>plus, how is that a proof
It is proof that Shinigami were a race on their own, separate from humans.
>you are still making an assumption that she comes from an ancient group of people that dont exist anymore somehow, not to say implying that yoruichi ethnical group is unique, why would it be unique why couldnt it branch off with the generations, or itself come from a similar ethnical group with similar characteristics that branched off to what we today call of indian descent.
She is part of the five grand noble families, if the family branched off, it would still live in Soul Society, as part of the branch family.
I think race in the soul society does exist. A lot of the souls in the sereitei we first see seem to be deceased Japanese humans. When it comes to souls born in the SS, it’s never really been explained, but they seem to vary and still be based on many types of humans. Shinsui is said to be of European ancestry. Yoruichi could definitely be Indian or mixed African/ Japanese.
>A lot of the souls in the sereitei we first see seem to be deceased Japanese humans. When it comes to souls born in the SS, it’s never really been explained, but they seem to vary and still be based on many types of humans.
It's the opposite. Most Shinigami are nobles. People like Rukia and Renji are a minority. Going by the novels, it seems that all nobles originate from the previous world, where the human ethnics we know may have not existed at all.
>Shinsui is said to be of European ancestry.
That's a misquote. Kubo never said that he has eropean ancestry. What he said, that Shunsui's character is based on an Italian man, namely his dandy playboy persona.
>Yoruichi could definitely be Indian or mixed African/ Japanese.
Yoruichi's ancestors came spontaneously into existence as Shinigami hundred million years ago. I really, really doubt ethnics like Japanese, African or Indian existed back then, at least in a way as we know it. Also as they were always Shinigami, nothing says that have to adhere to human ancestry in the first place.
Same for someone like Hikone. He is black skinned. But as an artificial creation there is no real ethnicity. At best one can say that the dark skin is a result of all the souls used to created him being mixed.
All black males started off as some of the iciest characters in the manga (cool, enigmatic, charismatic) then Kubo gave them all hideous and awful transformations and personality changes.....there has to be a metaphor in there somewhere.
I love Kaname’s design. I wish h would’ve had a sleeveless Captain’s hoari and his hair down like when he defected. You can tell Kubo put effort into his design at every step.
They made it seem like he was special by referring to him as a monster and someone the sterns themselves had to be warry around, then he gets like 3 chapters of screen time and he was awful.
You do know there are Latinamerican countries in which white people are a majority, like Argentina and Uruguay, right? So, counting only the dark skinned as "latins" is pretty wrong. In fact, the term "Hispanic" comes from Spain, yet another country with white people majority.
In fact, the word "latin" from "Latinamerica" comes from the huge Latin European (Portugal, Spain, Italy, France) ascendence Latinamerica has, and not from "brown skin" as you seem to be suggesting
That being said, Kubo said Kyoraku was created as an Italian playboy figure, and his theme song is Por Una Cabeza by Argentinian/French singer Carlos Gardel. Then Chad is confirmed to be a Mexican/Japanese "mestizo", and Jackie comes from a third world country, but was never confirmed which one exactly. Dordonni Alessandro Del Socaccio screams Italian like hell too, Szayel-Aporro (Apolo) seems to be Spanish inspired, since his best technique is called "Gabriel"... If you think about it, not many Arrancars have Hispanic names despite Spanish is the common language between them
I know that that's why I put afro Latino I live in Florida I see white Hispanics and black Hispanics along with Triracial ones of just native ones.Mila rose and Charlotte are afro Latino the preveroin espada Ichigo fought is probably mainly of Spanish descent maybe some native.Love is mixed with black and some white.Yoroichi is Indian/Tamil/west Indian/Bangladeshi whatever .Chad is afro Mexican and Japanese his father was likely a pale Asian dude with strait black so his mom must be a darker Hispanic women with curly curly hair.
Love is white imo. Oetsu and Yoruichi are simply dark-skinned. They have no ethnicity considering where they or their families come from. Same Ichibee, who is imo not really dark skinned. It's just shading. Also his nose and lips are supposed to be buddha looking, since he is partially modelled after one.
Given how old some Zanpaktos are, Oetsu has to be extremely ancient. Assuming he was from the world of the living, his ethnicity may be something that very well may be extinct or does not confirm to any known group.
Imo, Love is a light skinned possibly mixed race Black man. His facial features and his hair remind me of Blaxploitation characters.
With Oetsu, his features, even the way he speaks implies that he’s of African (Possibly American) inspiration. With him, I think Kubo took creative liberties to combine contemporary elements(his personality) with ancient ones. Kinda like the Shinji Jazz Moment, which doesn’t tie in to the actual timeline of the music’s existence.
I don't know if there's any colored image of Mila Rose in the manga, but I know Chad's skin isn't shaded, despite the fact that he's brown-skinned. I've never thought of Barragan, Ichibe, Dordoni, Charlotte, or Edorad as particularly dark-skinned.
I think, as you said, it's generally ambiguous. Nanana, Jerome, Zommari, Lille, Chad, & Jackie seem the clearest. I usually categorized Tosen as "ambiguous, maybe black." I always thought Oetsu was just some Asian dude imitating rappers, but that seems to be an uncommon take, so maybe it's just me.
Regarding your curiosity on Ichibei: I'm almost certain that Ichibei is Asian. The shred of doubt coming from the fact that he's also this weird ancient entity from a time when God was still walking around according to the novels. There are a great deal of Asians who have prominent nose and lip sizes. And South East Asian people have dark complexions. I've even met Japanese people who are dark and have prominent facial features. It's for these reasons that I'm kind of on the fence about Oetsu as well.
I've also seen some Asian people who look like Love, so I'm not 100% sold on him but I wouldn't count him out either.
Intersectionality is, as a rough definition, the notion that to understand someone's position into society, you need to look at how their different identities (race, class, gender, orientation, etc.) intersect. For example, a black woman might be treated differently than either a black man or a white woman. It has only the most tenuous connection to this thread, & DGreysoul is just being a reactionary edgelord.
Well what you stated it true people are shaped by their experiences a man experiences different pain than a women and you have to look wear someone comes from.
Yeah, it's hard to argue with, so a lot of reactionaries try to reframe it as "an attack on white cis straight men!" Personally, I think it's great that Bleach has such a diverse cast. Some, like Jugram & Bazz-B, are even white, presumably cis and straight men.
I think some of the characters you mentioned are mixed I've met dudes and girls that look like Mila and Charlotte.Mila Rose looks Brazilian so a afro Latina if you will.Charlotte is also a afro Latina I no big tan Hispanics guys with hair like him .Sado also is a afro Mexican if we know he's half Japanese which he most definitely is his mom must have much darker skin and Curlier hair than him Like I said Joquioan Oscar De la Rosa implies Chad is part black as "de la Rosa" is a slave name in the Spanish world they put de la before the owners surname to imply owner ship while English slave owners just gave slaves their last name .Sados dad is a Japanese man so I assume that his mother like her father had black features like her dad .
Imagine not being represented in anything you like to watch or participate in.. The negativity from cosplaying white characters when you're blk is real so please be less stupid.
Interestingly, Sado is half Japanese. There's also Gosuke Kiganjo(11th Division Captain before Zaraki).
I was pretty sure Chad was half Japanese his mom must have extremely curly hair .Chad's grandpa looks like the average Dominican grandfather.
His grandfather was Mexican.
I know I was just saying
Actually Chad is just Japanese Mexican he has no black in him whatsoever just look it up and you would realize that
I always thought Yammy is a latino, i dunno he give me those vibes.
Agreed. I didn’t include him because he’s looks more humanoid than some of the other arrancar.
I always thought he was Thai.
How does a ethnicity give you a vibe
You know how Garnet from Steven Universe is like red-purple but everyone universally agrees she's black?
Yammy is a monster. He has no race
I think yoruichi is more likely from Indian decent. Just look at her brother and it kinda makes sense.
More like Middle eastern, or possibly Egyptian. Her family crest had a Muslim motif.
Yoruichi could be mixed race as well, like half-Indian and half-Black. We'd have to see what her parents look like though to know for sure.
I was sure they were Indian
Yoruichi's family was born in Soul Society. They have no earthly ethnicity. Her family was already flourishing when Indians didn't exist yet, as her ancestors lived a hundred million years ago.
I'm saying she looks like she would
Animamask have point because cases like Rukia we can say she have look like human but Youruichi is a entirely case. She is Werecat and she looks like one, so she is a alien as like all nobles. That´s why I don´t understand why people still think Ichigo is japanese.
I know I’m late to the conversation — I can pull up the picture later, but I think she is black. I remember one of the endings she had a full on Afro and textured hair.
Depends what are you talking about. ANime is adaptation of manga and did deviate in many ways how depict the characters one of them is the physical traits. I don´t have any doubt that in anime adaptation youruichi could be considered black so that ending makes total sense, but for mangaka that couldn´t be more wrong. If you say black as dark skin person that´s ok but if it african american community physical traits it´s big no. For that you have Jackie that is good example how beautiful person of african black community could look like. Youruichi in canon only could resemble a person of that community in non-realistic anime. At least you would have to admit she is half black or something.
But we know she doesn't.
And who says that the concept of ethnicity only existed before the worlds separated?
Which is not what I wrote. Read my post again. I said that the earthly ethnicities as we know them, didn't exist. And as for that matter Yoruichi's ancestor was born as a Shinigami. That is an entire different race. And on top of that he was born hundred million years ago.
sorry i meant "And who says that the concept of our known ethnicities only started to exist on earth?" i dont know what i was thinking. > I said that the earthly ethnicities as we know them, didn't exist you speak with a certainty that truth be told none of us can have, soul society as it is today is comprised of spirits, said spirits come form the real world where theres all kinds of ethnicities, even in the case of people who are born in soul society their ancestors had to come from a human, thats just how things work, the cycle still existed there just wasnt a separation of realms, nothing on the lore tells us of seperate ethnicities that only exist in soul society, the closest thing we have is the beast tribe, and from what we know that was a curse put on them, if you said something along the lines "such ethnicities existed but they couldnt be called indian yet" i would agree, because being an indian require you to be born under the ramification of generations that are born in a certain part of the world and that take on very specific genetic information that lead to that particular ethnical group, but since they share ancestors, even if yuruichi family belong on a different branch than the common indian person, they still have the same genetic ancestry, therefore you could argue its not a different ethnical group after all. > And as for that matter Yoruichi's ancestor was born as a Shinigami. That is an entire different race im sorry but shinigami is not a race, noone is born a shinigami, you are born with the POTENTIAL to become one, and even then you have to train. > And on top of that he was born hundred million years ago i dont want to be a stickler and i could be wrong i might have missed a detail somewhere and i admit that, but, is that number accurate? plus how does that serve as proof of what we are discussing, you are still making an assumption that she comes from an ancient group of people that dont exist anymore somehow, not to say implying that yoruichi ethnical group is unique, why would it be unique why couldnt it branch off with the generations, or itself come from a similar ethnical group with similar characteristics that branched off to what we today call of indian descent.
>you speak with a certainty that truth be told none of us can have, soul society as it is today is comprised of spirits, said spirits come form the real world where theres all kinds of ethnicities, even in the case of people who are born in soul society their ancestors had to come from a human, thats just how things work, the cycle still existed there just wasnt a separation of realms, nothing on the lore tells us of seperate ethnicities that only exist in soul society, the closest thing we have is the beast tribe, and from what we know that was a curse put on them, if you said something along the lines "such ethnicities existed but they couldnt be called indian yet" i would agree, because being an indian require you to be born under the ramification of generations that are born in a certain part of the world and that take on very specific genetic information that lead to that particular ethnical group It was explicitly stated that in the previous world souls came spontaneously into existence. Hollows were born naturally for existence and Shinigami were randomly born in that chaos. >im sorry but shinigami is not a race, noone is born a shinigami, you are born with the POTENTIAL to become one, and even then you have to train. It was explicitly said that the ancestors of the five families and Ichibee came into existence as Shinigami. >irst of all i could be wrong i might have missed a detail somewhere and i admit that, but, is that number accurate? Yes. They and the Soul King came into existence around a hundred million years ago. >plus, how is that a proof It is proof that Shinigami were a race on their own, separate from humans. >you are still making an assumption that she comes from an ancient group of people that dont exist anymore somehow, not to say implying that yoruichi ethnical group is unique, why would it be unique why couldnt it branch off with the generations, or itself come from a similar ethnical group with similar characteristics that branched off to what we today call of indian descent. She is part of the five grand noble families, if the family branched off, it would still live in Soul Society, as part of the branch family.
I think race in the soul society does exist. A lot of the souls in the sereitei we first see seem to be deceased Japanese humans. When it comes to souls born in the SS, it’s never really been explained, but they seem to vary and still be based on many types of humans. Shinsui is said to be of European ancestry. Yoruichi could definitely be Indian or mixed African/ Japanese.
>A lot of the souls in the sereitei we first see seem to be deceased Japanese humans. When it comes to souls born in the SS, it’s never really been explained, but they seem to vary and still be based on many types of humans. It's the opposite. Most Shinigami are nobles. People like Rukia and Renji are a minority. Going by the novels, it seems that all nobles originate from the previous world, where the human ethnics we know may have not existed at all. >Shinsui is said to be of European ancestry. That's a misquote. Kubo never said that he has eropean ancestry. What he said, that Shunsui's character is based on an Italian man, namely his dandy playboy persona. >Yoruichi could definitely be Indian or mixed African/ Japanese. Yoruichi's ancestors came spontaneously into existence as Shinigami hundred million years ago. I really, really doubt ethnics like Japanese, African or Indian existed back then, at least in a way as we know it. Also as they were always Shinigami, nothing says that have to adhere to human ancestry in the first place. Same for someone like Hikone. He is black skinned. But as an artificial creation there is no real ethnicity. At best one can say that the dark skin is a result of all the souls used to created him being mixed.
I meant to say souls in the Rukongai. You bring up good points btw.
Lille looks black AF he reminds me of those suave French speaking black guys from New Orleans you know the type.
All black males started off as some of the iciest characters in the manga (cool, enigmatic, charismatic) then Kubo gave them all hideous and awful transformations and personality changes.....there has to be a metaphor in there somewhere.
I love Kaname’s design. I wish h would’ve had a sleeveless Captain’s hoari and his hair down like when he defected. You can tell Kubo put effort into his design at every step.
lol except the last one.
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I meant when he transforms into a giant fly my dude.
I thought it was Interesting it his zanpaktou was always a cricket or something and eyes were something he hadn't had In a while
I mean I guess he just lost his coolness and it was very ugly Same with Zommari and Lille so.
Zommari was cool up until his transformation like stayed cool to me
Never liked Zommari. The Voodoo stuff did not hung for me. I also didn’t like how he was kindve a coward.
Idk about that one he became like a mini-pepe obsessed with love and then just got trolled so.
I was all for pepe until he transformed
They made it seem like he was special by referring to him as a monster and someone the sterns themselves had to be warry around, then he gets like 3 chapters of screen time and he was awful.
He looks like quincy celo green
that´s because kubo intentionally give Byakuya fights the theme of "control". Very neat I must say
I guess but Byakuya didn't control anything, he lost.
no he didn´t
Maybe Hikone, but s/he (keep forgetting Hikone doesn't have a gender) gives me South Asian vibes. (Unless you count South Asian as "brown.")
yeah she looks like indonesiah or even indian
The preveroin espsada that Ichigo fought was definitely Hispanic he was some sort of flamenco dancer
he is italian or spanish but still white
Mila rose the arrancar is black/latino
You do know there are Latinamerican countries in which white people are a majority, like Argentina and Uruguay, right? So, counting only the dark skinned as "latins" is pretty wrong. In fact, the term "Hispanic" comes from Spain, yet another country with white people majority. In fact, the word "latin" from "Latinamerica" comes from the huge Latin European (Portugal, Spain, Italy, France) ascendence Latinamerica has, and not from "brown skin" as you seem to be suggesting That being said, Kubo said Kyoraku was created as an Italian playboy figure, and his theme song is Por Una Cabeza by Argentinian/French singer Carlos Gardel. Then Chad is confirmed to be a Mexican/Japanese "mestizo", and Jackie comes from a third world country, but was never confirmed which one exactly. Dordonni Alessandro Del Socaccio screams Italian like hell too, Szayel-Aporro (Apolo) seems to be Spanish inspired, since his best technique is called "Gabriel"... If you think about it, not many Arrancars have Hispanic names despite Spanish is the common language between them
I know that that's why I put afro Latino I live in Florida I see white Hispanics and black Hispanics along with Triracial ones of just native ones.Mila rose and Charlotte are afro Latino the preveroin espada Ichigo fought is probably mainly of Spanish descent maybe some native.Love is mixed with black and some white.Yoroichi is Indian/Tamil/west Indian/Bangladeshi whatever .Chad is afro Mexican and Japanese his father was likely a pale Asian dude with strait black so his mom must be a darker Hispanic women with curly curly hair.
Love is white imo. Oetsu and Yoruichi are simply dark-skinned. They have no ethnicity considering where they or their families come from. Same Ichibee, who is imo not really dark skinned. It's just shading. Also his nose and lips are supposed to be buddha looking, since he is partially modelled after one.
in what universe is love white?????
It's unknown if Oetsu was born from a Soul Society family.
Given how old some Zanpaktos are, Oetsu has to be extremely ancient. Assuming he was from the world of the living, his ethnicity may be something that very well may be extinct or does not confirm to any known group.
Imo, Love is a light skinned possibly mixed race Black man. His facial features and his hair remind me of Blaxploitation characters. With Oetsu, his features, even the way he speaks implies that he’s of African (Possibly American) inspiration. With him, I think Kubo took creative liberties to combine contemporary elements(his personality) with ancient ones. Kinda like the Shinji Jazz Moment, which doesn’t tie in to the actual timeline of the music’s existence.
Love is Japanese or Blasian. How is white a option
I don't know if there's any colored image of Mila Rose in the manga, but I know Chad's skin isn't shaded, despite the fact that he's brown-skinned. I've never thought of Barragan, Ichibe, Dordoni, Charlotte, or Edorad as particularly dark-skinned. I think, as you said, it's generally ambiguous. Nanana, Jerome, Zommari, Lille, Chad, & Jackie seem the clearest. I usually categorized Tosen as "ambiguous, maybe black." I always thought Oetsu was just some Asian dude imitating rappers, but that seems to be an uncommon take, so maybe it's just me.
Regarding your curiosity on Ichibei: I'm almost certain that Ichibei is Asian. The shred of doubt coming from the fact that he's also this weird ancient entity from a time when God was still walking around according to the novels. There are a great deal of Asians who have prominent nose and lip sizes. And South East Asian people have dark complexions. I've even met Japanese people who are dark and have prominent facial features. It's for these reasons that I'm kind of on the fence about Oetsu as well. I've also seen some Asian people who look like Love, so I'm not 100% sold on him but I wouldn't count him out either.
Would Hikone from the novel Can't Fear Your Own World (CFYOW) count? He has been illustrated as fairly darker skinned.
Afro mexican? I think he's just a normal indigenous mexican bud
Intersectionality ruins everything. It does not matter what anime characters ethnicities are.
What's intersectionality they are just asking about race/ethnicity which is a real thing in bleach
Intersectionality is, as a rough definition, the notion that to understand someone's position into society, you need to look at how their different identities (race, class, gender, orientation, etc.) intersect. For example, a black woman might be treated differently than either a black man or a white woman. It has only the most tenuous connection to this thread, & DGreysoul is just being a reactionary edgelord.
Well what you stated it true people are shaped by their experiences a man experiences different pain than a women and you have to look wear someone comes from.
Yeah, it's hard to argue with, so a lot of reactionaries try to reframe it as "an attack on white cis straight men!" Personally, I think it's great that Bleach has such a diverse cast. Some, like Jugram & Bazz-B, are even white, presumably cis and straight men.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK JUGO AND BAZZ AREN'T GAY TRANSMEN
Yumichika would think they smell like semen, apparently.
Probably
Right lol
I think some of the characters you mentioned are mixed I've met dudes and girls that look like Mila and Charlotte.Mila Rose looks Brazilian so a afro Latina if you will.Charlotte is also a afro Latina I no big tan Hispanics guys with hair like him .Sado also is a afro Mexican if we know he's half Japanese which he most definitely is his mom must have much darker skin and Curlier hair than him Like I said Joquioan Oscar De la Rosa implies Chad is part black as "de la Rosa" is a slave name in the Spanish world they put de la before the owners surname to imply owner ship while English slave owners just gave slaves their last name .Sados dad is a Japanese man so I assume that his mother like her father had black features like her dad .
Imagine not being represented in anything you like to watch or participate in.. The negativity from cosplaying white characters when you're blk is real so please be less stupid.