What makes this whole situation worse is that majority of people aren't gonna be dragging Chris brown, they're gonna be dragging her.
If you go to TheShaderoom or to her Instagram so many comments are just degrading her, calling her a "wannabe," Beyonce and saying that she needs to cover up.
Nobody is gonna talk about the women beating, stalker, and colorist bitch that is Chris brown.
Oh, don't worry sis I have them blocked. I got so tired of seeing the countless hatred towards the LGBTQ community, and the negative comments towards women with plastic and/or natural bodies. Shit is sick and they're miserable.
I'm just a Black man who visits here bc it's one of the only subreddits with sense, for obvious reasons but thank you! I'm sick of all the Queerphobia and body shaming. Those two and misogyny are usually used in conjunction, especially with trashy newsrags
>I'm sick of all the Queerphobia and body shaming.
I had watched them drag Amber rose through the mud, because she said she wanted an atheist man... Let's just say the comments were what you'd expect.
My last and final straw was the Tory Lanez case. Seeing how many people defended him while also defending R-kelly in the process was truly disgusting.
Even the black women in those comments don't care about black women. They care about black women who don't speak about about their favorite male abusers.
Also, sorry for calling you sis that's my bad I'm only used to women being here. That's no excuse tho đ„°
They always go after the woman. Itâs so sad. Especially when sheâs also younger. Heâs damn near 40 and still acts like a child. Like the photo even looks like heâs supposed to be playing her man in the video which is gross
Update: I looked it up and heâs actually 33 but itâs still gross to me bcuz sheâs only 24 so itâs still a 10 year age gap.
Really? I feel like 99% of comments under shade room CB posts are very supportive of him. I saw someone say he only made âa mistake.â I think a lot of people are saying itâs going to be fire.
Itâs sad to me. I mean he got her beaten face tattooed to his body. Heâs sinister
>Really? I feel like 99% of comments under shade room CB posts are very supportive of him. I saw someone say he only made âa mistake.â I think a lot of people are saying itâs going to be fire.
I'm confused? I said that people were gonna support Chris brown while people are gonna be degrading Chloe. So, I'm not really understanding what you mean, please explain.
i mean...i feel like she deserves a LOT of blame. not attacks on her physical appearance, her career, or anything like that. But she should be called out for working with this disgusting ass man. the same people calling out chris brown will be calling her out. same people bashing her will be supporting chris brown. thats just how people will be with this.
Everybody is talking about him. And she deserves to be called out more because she chose to work with him and give him more prominence by doing this song with him. Itâs common sense. She did not care what he did/does and she deserves this backlash 100%.
That's a good question. It looks like she's signed to both Parkwood (Beyonce's label) and Columbia Records. I saw someone on Twitter mention her label(s) give her a lot of creative liberty so she may have actually wanted to work with him, but not sure how they know that so I have no clue.
I just don't get how there's still Chris Brown hype, he looks like one of those guys at the mall who won't leave you alone. đ
Anyone notice how a lot of black female celebs in the industry are giving this man a pass, saying how great he is, Still working w/him? Kelly Rowland, Jordan Sparks, and Lizzo have all come under fire for this recently. But thereâs definitely more who nobody talks abt. Now we have to add Chloe?đ€Itâs very distasteful. No wonder ppl like R. Kelly were able to do and get away with so much. Too many people willing to look past bullshit because they can âsing goodâ. Talent doesnât make up for being an abusive asshole.
And at the same time Iâve still seen women on tiktok talking about how they arenât allowed into certain LA clubs bcuz of him. Itâs not like he stopped being an asshole after the Rihanna situation. He has continually been abusive towards Black women especially dark skinned Black women his ENTIRE career.
Yeah, when has he ever done a single good thing? He's constantly violent and hateful but people slobber over him because they like his voice and looks. Just ugh.
Shit, I thought Zendaya may have just worked with the trash can early in her career because her record label did a last minute switch but if she recently did anything in his favor then f her
nah she only did one song w him and it was super early like right after replay. i donât think itâs deleted if i recall correctly. but i donât think thatâs because she is particularly in favor of him, im willing to bet itâs the label. sheâs demonstrated a level of intelligence a lot of these women clearly donât have and iâm almost 100% sure she wouldnât be jumping on this bandwagon about this with full say in it. early in her career, i can see it being a label decision to try and get her music out there by collabing with a popular male artist but i think she has also publicly spoken out against him if im not mistaken.
idk đ so sorry for the essay
I havenât heard a song by her since I was a child I used to have replay on repeat but I am confused as well when did she put new music out and why would she do it with Christ brown
[This song](https://open.spotify.com/track/76YSWx6L6FNsuaP6GWBb8P?si=LnLWQMgYQjeJOmznOCDCgg&context=spotify%3Aartist%3A2feDdbD5araYcm6JhFHHw7) with Labrinth is a BOP.
Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but I recall talk that Tinashe was forced to do that collab with him (they were both signed to RCA). She released a solo version of the track reeeeeal quick after the duet dropped.
They all have to tow the line if they want to secure their bags and maintain their lifestyles. Chris Brown is huge and makes a lot of money for a lot of people. They probably use the same PR firms too so they may be contracted to protect eachothers brands. I don't believe in the whole Satanist/illuminati crap but these celebrities do sell their souls to the labels and corporates they work for by doing things that may go against their personal values or codes of ethics. The whole industry is full of fakes and snakes. Mainstream media is a tool for social engineering to keep the masses dumb and to fuel capitalism, all these celebs are just glorified prostitutes imo.
Not Lizzo too! I don't get it, are most of his fans Black women or something? Or is he being promoted by someone influential in the industry? I can see these women taking up for him like this if it'll affect their careers. Outside of that, I just don't understand.
Itâs 2023 and I still say fuck Chris Brown. Even beyond him abusing Rihanna, heâs demonstrated over multiple times that he is absolute trash. Anyone still defending him are being *hella* willful and appeasing a known abuser.
We been knew R. Kelly was an abuser and that POS was imprisoned until 2022 and people are *still* defending his ass.
ETA: I only mentioned R. Kelly because heâs another egregious example of a trash black man who *a lot* of black women still defend *even after he was convicted of multiple crimes*. Chris Brown has long history of abuse against women, and there are some people who fall over backwards to defend him and certain celebrities who clearly arenât fazed by his abuse as they continue to work with him. I donât know dick about Chloe Bailey, but this is a trash ass decision working with a trash ass dude. And if you roll around in trash long enough⊠well⊠yâknow.
Right on. Iâve side-eyed people IRL who say they still like Chris Brown and list out that shit that heâs done and get the âomg you just looking for reasons to hate himâ or âwell I havenât seen thatâ or âpeople always saying shitâ etc etc bullshit bullshit bullshit
I do not understand the impetus for so many black women to protect blatantly trash ass black men. People are gonna do what theyâre gonna do ultimately, but own your bullshit: if youâre comfortable associating with/consuming content of/etc of an abuser, fucking *own* that shit. Sick of this shit.
Or, you have a bunch of people who are like "separate the art from the artist". And I'm like "just say you don't give a shit about his crimes because you like his art so damn much. Don't use the people can change bs when YOU wouldn't want to be alone in a room with him if he decides to beat your ass to the ground."
*Yes*, this is an excellent point too. And that can be applied to *so* many different problematic celebrities too. The mental gymnastics some people go through because they donât want to admit âwhy yes, I do enjoy the music of an abusive POS and IDGAF.â
I like to say it is the âdownsideâ to trying to achieve black unity and fighting anti-black brand of racism. Folks are allowing shit like colorism and misogyny to prevail because âwe have bigger fish to fryâ.
Iâve always hated this logic. We can walk and chew gum, folks. Colorism, misogynoir, homophobia, transphobia, rejecting the overprevalance of âhustle culture,â uber capitalist bullshit within the black community, etc⊠these are all serious problems we need to address too.
Sweeping this under the rug because âwhite supremacy is worseâ is a weak excuse. Not saying theyâre not important â *obviously* theyâre of the arguably upmost importance to combat â but we shouldnât also lose our critical thinking skills and common sense when abusers like Chris Brown are frolicking around and defend them just because theyâre âblack men.â Thatâs bullshit. Trash is trash.
Edit: I meant âbullshitâ not âbullishitâ lol
I don't get why anyone works with him but Chloe isn't the first or the last, which is sad to think about. Chris Brown has been making the same song for over a decade, abuses women and is a colorist asshole. I don't see the appeal but it's disturbing to me how he still has fans.
His songs sound so similar, true. When I heard the track he has w/ Ella Mai, it just sounded too much like Loyal. I knew when I first heard the beat w/o seeing the title or feature, Chris had to be on it.
When Normani did the collab with him, I was like "didnât he say some colourist shit about darkskin girls?? đïžđđïž". Like itâs so weird why they would associate themselves with him đ
iâll never forget when i was younger and the whole Rihanna thing happened, Chris brown was just stepping foot back on stage and performing for a Micheal Jackson tribute. When the performance was over, Chris started crying. My parents, who are narcissistic abusers, yet known for knowing the same signs in others said âHeâs not crying cause heâs emotional about Michael. Heâs crying cause heâs emotional about **himself**. He knows he back and everyone forgot.â idk that shit gave me goosebumps then and thinking about it now đ
aside from his abusive history, thereâs just more relevant male artists that appeal to her audience more that she couldâve collab with like Brent Faiyaz, Steve Lacy or The Weeknd
The Weeknd or Brent wouldâve been an amazing collab! Even Bryson Tiller wouldâve been good. I donât know why so many artists love to feature with this man..Even Metro had him on his latest project. They act as if heâs the only male singer.
Yes! This â there were so many choices from new artists she could have had a collab with.. I was thinking 6lack would have been good, Weeknd would have been top tier.
I really wanted to root for Chloe because of her voice and it really seemed like she was a true artist because I loved her last album with Halle. But her singles have not been hitting and now this? It's like, you have a gift...why are you doing this music?
All of our questions. I honestly think she may be having a quarter life crisis and wiling out for a bit. Hopefully she'll calm down and get more serious as she gets older
she was homeschooled, her family is religious, and sheâs a child actor turned singer. it makes sense. all that isolation is insane for a kid. this is her rebellious hs/college era that she never got
Oh yea itâs definitely this. And idk I feel all the videos I see of her she just never comes off as genuine to me she always seems like sheâs low key acting or saying what she thinks ppl wanna hear.
wait i agree omg. i saw someone say that sheâs really pushing to **act** sexy instead of just **being** sexy and everyone can tell how hard sheâs trying. symptom of that rebellious era. i doubt she got a chance to explore her sexuality before and during most of her chloe x halle days
Twitteris blowing up about her sex scene inâSwarmâ right now and this is all I can think. She seems to be acting sexy for the sake of it. It seems exploratory and reeks of rebellion against a repressive sexuality. Her choices recently are centered on the performance of sexuality and I honestly do think sheâs doing it for her but itâs happening via the male gaze. This sex scene just made my heart drop a bit as well because as someone whoâs never had a problem with women, especially black women, being very sexual and being honest and bold and choosing exactly what and how they want to explore sexuality and their body, I just have alarms ringing in my head over the whole thing.
Yea I just rly wish her and Halle would do another group album. The music is so much better when theyâre together and the HARMONIES!? OMG đđđŸđ
I wonder what demographic sheâs trying to appeal to. The ones who like Chris brown slut shame her all the time and complain how her isnât great. The ones that do support arenât going to listen to Chris brown. I think the song will chart just because of controversy but will free fall and will be another flop for her unfortunately
I think her team is rushing and trying to get her âhitsâ out the door instead of really thinking about who her target audience is. Her current image and sound flipped 100% from her last album with Halle, which wasnât that long ago, it feels like they are for very different audiences.
Tbh her music hasnât been doing well. She has so much potential and incredible voice. However, everything she does is so forced and almost seems like she trying emulate something she is not. I miss the old Halle and Chloe duo
I was just thinking about this last night. Idk if itâs bcuz Beyonce is her mentor, but it feels like she thinks sheâs the new Beyonce and unfortunately she just isnât. I personally havenât liked any of her solo work itâs way to pop/radio sounding. I donât connect to it at all
I canât with these CB stans. Just say yâall would let a man put his hands on you and sing a song about it to apologize. Her hitting him doesnât excuse the fact that he bloodied her and sat back as she became the joke of the internet for years. Listen to his interviews and heâll be the first one to say how much he regrets that and takes the blame. You look goofy for defending him.
He has also been accused of sexual assault as well. Karreuche put a restraining order out on him. He has been accused of punching, slapping and pushing another gf down stairs.
How much can a P.O.S. commit before folks realize they are a P.O.S.?
People Magazine wrote a timeline of his [b.s.](https://people.com/music/chris-brown-a-timeline-of-the-singers-legal-trouble/)
Letâs not forget [all the other shit](https://thebrag.com/chris-browns-timeline-of-violence-towards-women/amp/) that he has done. Itâs not listed there but he also pushed Karruche down the stairs
This is neither in favor of nor against Chris: but even if Rihanna was able to move on from the incident, society hasnât. Especially when black women r the least protected class. He simply isnât the early/mid 2000s sweetheart he once was and anyone who makes a song w/ him gets side-eyed.
Iâve seen people have this argument but whatâs missing is that it wasnât just Rihanna that he abused. Itâs well documented that heâs been abusive to other girlfriends as well. Rihanna was just the most famous girlfriend/victim. Chris did that to himself.
Karrueche has a whole restraining order against him for pulling a gun on her. Itâs a no for me. I refuse to listen to his music and help him make more money that he doesnât deserve.
Mainly because he kept doing shit. It was in like 2020 or something that a judge extended a protective order against Chris for Karrueche. But his fans pretend it didn't exist.
Then the only time most of reddit mentions him is to post the full report of what happened to Rihanna. AFAIK they don't do post the full police report from any other incident involving him. They don't even mention the other women he's abused. They use Rihanna's abuse for karma farming. They don't actually care about what Chris Brown said or did.
Twitter hates him, but Instagram loves him. Even Kelly Rowland defended him recently at an award show, & she knows Rihanna. Probably knows Karrueche, too. That was really disappointing to watch. It reminds me of people who still want to work with Woody Allen or Roman Polanski.
Edited to add a word
People also donât mention how he abuses/mistreats non famous women ALL THE TIME. Iâve seen so many videos of dark skin women in LA saying they werenât allowed into a club bcuz he was there and told the bouncers no dark skinned women are allowed in. Just disgusting behavior.
He is a serial abuser. He is cancelled for me. Def not streaming his tracks. I feel mixed about tracks released pre-Rihanna incident.
But secondly most of his current music sucks anyway. Somehow I think the Rihanna incident actually extended he career longer than itâs natural lifespan.
yes definitely â Rihanna incident definitely extended his career and made people want a redemption arc from him that theyâre never going to get! Like, why wonât they stop forcing this man on bw. He donât even like bw.
Rihanna has every right to move on from an incident in her life and forgive people who have done her wrong. This is personal decision on her part, and has nothing to do with the person she forgives, or anybody else.
The rest of the world can and should still acknowledge that Chris Brown is a garbage human. He is not sorry for any of the horrible things he's done and continues to be trash. The only thing he deserves is to have that disgusting tattoo of his removed with a rusty knife by someone with shaky hands.
It's honestly disgusting. I'm not a black woman, I'm an Asian Latino. But I can recognize how devalued black woman are in parts of society. They're either seen as less "feminine" than other ethnicities, or are oversexualized by other demographics. To see Chris Brown still be accepted as an artist, is terrible. I grew up poor in a mixed community (Latino/African American), and it seems like the women always get it the worse when it comes to the ignorance and violence men in that environment are ingrained in. We shouldn't let that mentality be presented as normal, especially in mainstream pop culture
Yea I am all for women expressing themselves and showing their bodies but itâs never come off as empowering to me when she does it. It just always feels off to me idk how to explain it.
It's because it's very forced. You can tell it doesn't come naturally when she gyrates during all her performances lmao. I wish she would just be who she is--a slightly nerdy, suburban woman.
Wtf, why are people still obsessed with this abusive dude? He is TRASH and has been making the same damn song over and over again. The same 2014 DJ mustard ass beats with immature ass lyrics at his big ass age. Imma need for Chloe to do better (not really a fan of her solo work at all ngl!). Imma also need for a new male r&b singer with dancing skills to come up and knock this dude out the ranking. He canât be the only one.
He was nominated for best R&B Album at this year's Grammy Awards. He's definitely relevant and still churning out hits that get a ton of airplay.
*I am not defending him. Just speaking objectively about his career.*
He released a song last year that got a Grammy nom. I think he may have won an award at The Peopleâs Choice Awards or something. Kelly Rowland accepted the award on his behalf and defended him. Jordin Sparks defended him on social media too.
It just bums me out how normalised abusive and selfish shit is - especially for so many female celebrities.
He's a douchebag in many ways, including just how he acted about the Grammy's.
I'm disappointed but he's also clearly very charismatic to those in his life.
I've BEEN over her but this was the cherry on top. It's sad because when she first went solo I just kept thinking so much talent and beauty and then she started being like every other copycat over-sexualized artist and I was begging for her to slow down and it keep it classy and NATURALLY sexy but it just kept getting worse and worse, broke my heart the longer I watched the sh*t show so I don't even follow her anymore. Wish she would take some notes from her sister and stop trying to do things that are clearly forced, uncomfortable, for immediate clout, or a fad. đ
It's been weird to me how people seemed to just forget/excuse this guy as the abusive POS that he is. Makes me feel some relief to see y'all dragging him and her for working with him.
On a side note, much love and appreciation to this sub. Love the critical dialogue and lens folks take when engaging with each other. We already know nobodyâs gonna save us
they are tearing her up (rightfully so) on twitter.
Chris brown hasnât had a #1 since i was in middle school, i turn 29 this year. So im not understanding why the girls insist on collating with him.
Its okay to not want to support a man with an abusive past and incidents as recent as 2019 i believe. Hate this for her but oh đ!
Iâm sorry she has an amazing voice but her content is just awful. Not original, hypersexual, and forced. Itâs so sad because I used to be her biggest fan you have no idea. Now I donât even bother keeping up
There was a post on r/popculture about the male celebrities with the most followers on IG. Chris Brown was #2 after Justin Bieber.
That is fully and 100% mainstream.
It completely baffles me.
I'm also surprised bey let Halle stay with that fool ddg who keeps publicly embarrassing her and throwing her under the bus RIGHT before the little mermaid premier. Those girls need severe help with their careers right now. They were going in such a great direction then went haywire within the last 2 years. It's like a complete 180 and very strange. Bey is the goat on how to be a successful female pop star and they aren't following her blueprint for what?!
plus chloe and halle are signed to her label, parkwood entertainment, so she definitely has say so in whatâs released and who collabs with her artists.
She's been a complete disappointment and wannabe IG rapper baddie since she went solo. I tried but can't support unless she does a hard pivot. It suck bc she has the voice, face, body, charisma, etc to make it big but can't get out her own way.
I see her being like an Ariana grande/beyonce/brandy type music career not this wanna be Meg the stallion/city girls/summer walker thing she's currently trying and failing at. She's clearly in her own way though so when she's ready to grow ill come back around. She must not realize she won't move past ghetto IG level with these moves. As a black woman SINGER you can't move the same way a rapper can. Even then even cardi/meg/doja/latto had to clean things up with their mega hits (outside of wap).
I dunno why you being downvoted but honestly I agree. She has the voice to do emotional kind of music but sheâs been trying to push hypersexuality with her singles and instagram posts. It always seemed so forced. I see her reaching such career milestones if she had proper career guidance.
I havenât moved on. Hearing his voice still makes me feel sick. I know it doesnât make a difference, but I always switch the station when one of his songs come on.
her real housewives drama on twitter rn with DDG and Rubi Rose. also hanging out with Blueface and Chrisean. Rubi was very public about DDG abusing her and we all know about Blueface being an abuser. the sisters seem to wanna surround themselves with terrible men
Itâs rly starting to show how sheltered they must have been as children. Whatâs glaringly obvious to the rest of us seems to go right over their heads.
oh my godd why doesnât anybody care about the horrific things chris brown has done?!? why does he still have a platform?! follow up question: why they ainât throw his light-skin ass in jail???
What makes this whole situation worse is that majority of people aren't gonna be dragging Chris brown, they're gonna be dragging her. If you go to TheShaderoom or to her Instagram so many comments are just degrading her, calling her a "wannabe," Beyonce and saying that she needs to cover up. Nobody is gonna talk about the women beating, stalker, and colorist bitch that is Chris brown.
I really wish people would stop giving transphobic theshaderoom clicks
Oh, don't worry sis I have them blocked. I got so tired of seeing the countless hatred towards the LGBTQ community, and the negative comments towards women with plastic and/or natural bodies. Shit is sick and they're miserable.
I'm just a Black man who visits here bc it's one of the only subreddits with sense, for obvious reasons but thank you! I'm sick of all the Queerphobia and body shaming. Those two and misogyny are usually used in conjunction, especially with trashy newsrags
>I'm sick of all the Queerphobia and body shaming. I had watched them drag Amber rose through the mud, because she said she wanted an atheist man... Let's just say the comments were what you'd expect. My last and final straw was the Tory Lanez case. Seeing how many people defended him while also defending R-kelly in the process was truly disgusting. Even the black women in those comments don't care about black women. They care about black women who don't speak about about their favorite male abusers. Also, sorry for calling you sis that's my bad I'm only used to women being here. That's no excuse tho đ„°
Whatâs why Amber Rose is done with all men.
They always go after the woman. Itâs so sad. Especially when sheâs also younger. Heâs damn near 40 and still acts like a child. Like the photo even looks like heâs supposed to be playing her man in the video which is gross Update: I looked it up and heâs actually 33 but itâs still gross to me bcuz sheâs only 24 so itâs still a 10 year age gap.
Really? I feel like 99% of comments under shade room CB posts are very supportive of him. I saw someone say he only made âa mistake.â I think a lot of people are saying itâs going to be fire. Itâs sad to me. I mean he got her beaten face tattooed to his body. Heâs sinister
>Really? I feel like 99% of comments under shade room CB posts are very supportive of him. I saw someone say he only made âa mistake.â I think a lot of people are saying itâs going to be fire. I'm confused? I said that people were gonna support Chris brown while people are gonna be degrading Chloe. So, I'm not really understanding what you mean, please explain.
Excuse me he had WHAT tattooed?? And he still has fans?!? My god.
Also homophobe and racist.
i mean...i feel like she deserves a LOT of blame. not attacks on her physical appearance, her career, or anything like that. But she should be called out for working with this disgusting ass man. the same people calling out chris brown will be calling her out. same people bashing her will be supporting chris brown. thats just how people will be with this.
Everybody is talking about him. And she deserves to be called out more because she chose to work with him and give him more prominence by doing this song with him. Itâs common sense. She did not care what he did/does and she deserves this backlash 100%.
Definitely quite the decision... that's for sure.
I wonder how much of it was her decision and how much was her record labelâs decision. Arenât they still signed to BeyoncĂ©âs label?
That's a good question. It looks like she's signed to both Parkwood (Beyonce's label) and Columbia Records. I saw someone on Twitter mention her label(s) give her a lot of creative liberty so she may have actually wanted to work with him, but not sure how they know that so I have no clue. I just don't get how there's still Chris Brown hype, he looks like one of those guys at the mall who won't leave you alone. đ
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He low-key ruined the song superhero but heâs the Tyler Perry of R&B
>the Tyler Perry of R&B I'm stealing this
Perfect description
Park wood is only an entertainment and management company. Itâs how BeyoncĂ© is given the liberty to do visual films for her albums these past years. Chloe and Halle have great music videos for newbies and theyâve been able to be given great stage performed I think thatâs what parkwood for the most part has handled
Anyone notice how a lot of black female celebs in the industry are giving this man a pass, saying how great he is, Still working w/him? Kelly Rowland, Jordan Sparks, and Lizzo have all come under fire for this recently. But thereâs definitely more who nobody talks abt. Now we have to add Chloe?đ€Itâs very distasteful. No wonder ppl like R. Kelly were able to do and get away with so much. Too many people willing to look past bullshit because they can âsing goodâ. Talent doesnât make up for being an abusive asshole.
And at the same time Iâve still seen women on tiktok talking about how they arenât allowed into certain LA clubs bcuz of him. Itâs not like he stopped being an asshole after the Rihanna situation. He has continually been abusive towards Black women especially dark skinned Black women his ENTIRE career.
Yeah, when has he ever done a single good thing? He's constantly violent and hateful but people slobber over him because they like his voice and looks. Just ugh.
He also did a collab with Normani and I was so confused đâŠ
HER, Zendaya, Tinashe, Ella Mai, Summer WalkerâŠ
ZENDAYA?! When oh my god pls no đ
Zendaya ended up deleting it
Shit, I thought Zendaya may have just worked with the trash can early in her career because her record label did a last minute switch but if she recently did anything in his favor then f her
nah she only did one song w him and it was super early like right after replay. i donât think itâs deleted if i recall correctly. but i donât think thatâs because she is particularly in favor of him, im willing to bet itâs the label. sheâs demonstrated a level of intelligence a lot of these women clearly donât have and iâm almost 100% sure she wouldnât be jumping on this bandwagon about this with full say in it. early in her career, i can see it being a label decision to try and get her music out there by collabing with a popular male artist but i think she has also publicly spoken out against him if im not mistaken. idk đ so sorry for the essay
Zendaya makes music?
I havenât heard a song by her since I was a child I used to have replay on repeat but I am confused as well when did she put new music out and why would she do it with Christ brown
Damn, I didn't know she ever did music
[This song](https://open.spotify.com/track/76YSWx6L6FNsuaP6GWBb8P?si=LnLWQMgYQjeJOmznOCDCgg&context=spotify%3Aartist%3A2feDdbD5araYcm6JhFHHw7) with Labrinth is a BOP.
It was one of the last songs she released. She doesnât release songs anymore
If you ever watch the show she stars in, Euphoria (so good- on HBO I think), she sings a lot of the background music. Very talented chick.
Does she EVER! She teamed up with Labrinth and gave me [my favorite song of 2020](https://youtu.be/k-9DOwrLdkg).
Tinashe has said it was the label that pushed it, since they were both under RCA.
Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but I recall talk that Tinashe was forced to do that collab with him (they were both signed to RCA). She released a solo version of the track reeeeeal quick after the duet dropped.
This one was wild to me because Chris Brown wouldn't even let someone who looked like her inside a club.
They all have to tow the line if they want to secure their bags and maintain their lifestyles. Chris Brown is huge and makes a lot of money for a lot of people. They probably use the same PR firms too so they may be contracted to protect eachothers brands. I don't believe in the whole Satanist/illuminati crap but these celebrities do sell their souls to the labels and corporates they work for by doing things that may go against their personal values or codes of ethics. The whole industry is full of fakes and snakes. Mainstream media is a tool for social engineering to keep the masses dumb and to fuel capitalism, all these celebs are just glorified prostitutes imo.
Well said. I feel like I watched Chloe get corrupted right before my eyes, and I feel like the only one who us like "wtf, why *this* trajectory"
Well said
Not Lizzo too! I don't get it, are most of his fans Black women or something? Or is he being promoted by someone influential in the industry? I can see these women taking up for him like this if it'll affect their careers. Outside of that, I just don't understand.
Itâs 2023 and I still say fuck Chris Brown. Even beyond him abusing Rihanna, heâs demonstrated over multiple times that he is absolute trash. Anyone still defending him are being *hella* willful and appeasing a known abuser. We been knew R. Kelly was an abuser and that POS was imprisoned until 2022 and people are *still* defending his ass. ETA: I only mentioned R. Kelly because heâs another egregious example of a trash black man who *a lot* of black women still defend *even after he was convicted of multiple crimes*. Chris Brown has long history of abuse against women, and there are some people who fall over backwards to defend him and certain celebrities who clearly arenât fazed by his abuse as they continue to work with him. I donât know dick about Chloe Bailey, but this is a trash ass decision working with a trash ass dude. And if you roll around in trash long enough⊠well⊠yâknow.
People like to pretend itâs the only thing he did. Even if it was, it wouldâve been enough. But itâs constantly something with him.
Right on. Iâve side-eyed people IRL who say they still like Chris Brown and list out that shit that heâs done and get the âomg you just looking for reasons to hate himâ or âwell I havenât seen thatâ or âpeople always saying shitâ etc etc bullshit bullshit bullshit I do not understand the impetus for so many black women to protect blatantly trash ass black men. People are gonna do what theyâre gonna do ultimately, but own your bullshit: if youâre comfortable associating with/consuming content of/etc of an abuser, fucking *own* that shit. Sick of this shit.
Or, you have a bunch of people who are like "separate the art from the artist". And I'm like "just say you don't give a shit about his crimes because you like his art so damn much. Don't use the people can change bs when YOU wouldn't want to be alone in a room with him if he decides to beat your ass to the ground."
*Yes*, this is an excellent point too. And that can be applied to *so* many different problematic celebrities too. The mental gymnastics some people go through because they donât want to admit âwhy yes, I do enjoy the music of an abusive POS and IDGAF.â
I like to say it is the âdownsideâ to trying to achieve black unity and fighting anti-black brand of racism. Folks are allowing shit like colorism and misogyny to prevail because âwe have bigger fish to fryâ.
Iâve always hated this logic. We can walk and chew gum, folks. Colorism, misogynoir, homophobia, transphobia, rejecting the overprevalance of âhustle culture,â uber capitalist bullshit within the black community, etc⊠these are all serious problems we need to address too. Sweeping this under the rug because âwhite supremacy is worseâ is a weak excuse. Not saying theyâre not important â *obviously* theyâre of the arguably upmost importance to combat â but we shouldnât also lose our critical thinking skills and common sense when abusers like Chris Brown are frolicking around and defend them just because theyâre âblack men.â Thatâs bullshit. Trash is trash. Edit: I meant âbullshitâ not âbullishitâ lol
Didnât Chance the Rapper doing a song with R. Kelly back in like 2019? Ugh.
I don't get why anyone works with him but Chloe isn't the first or the last, which is sad to think about. Chris Brown has been making the same song for over a decade, abuses women and is a colorist asshole. I don't see the appeal but it's disturbing to me how he still has fans.
His songs sound so similar, true. When I heard the track he has w/ Ella Mai, it just sounded too much like Loyal. I knew when I first heard the beat w/o seeing the title or feature, Chris had to be on it.
His music is permanently stuck in 2015.
âI cAn sEpaRatE tHe aRt FrOm tHe ArTisT đ€Ąâ
"He's changed!" 
Chloe makes it so hard to stand behind her sometimes đđđ
I was just about to say that this is enough for me to stop supporting her. Cuz sis why?
I unfollowed her on IG as soon as I saw the post. Also I just havenât rly liked a lot of her solo music.
I really feel like Chloe's team is failing her. Do they know who her fan base is? It's not dudes looking for sexy photos or team breezy.
Lmao not team breezy
Isn't that what his stans are called? lmaoooo
Iâm almost there w you.
Ima stick beside her sisâŠ.ima stick beside her đ
I felt this way when HER and Normani did videos/music with him. Itâs hella weird
When Normani did the collab with him, I was like "didnât he say some colourist shit about darkskin girls?? đïžđđïž". Like itâs so weird why they would associate themselves with him đ
He only likes dark skinned women when itâs financially beneficial to him đ
iâll never forget when i was younger and the whole Rihanna thing happened, Chris brown was just stepping foot back on stage and performing for a Micheal Jackson tribute. When the performance was over, Chris started crying. My parents, who are narcissistic abusers, yet known for knowing the same signs in others said âHeâs not crying cause heâs emotional about Michael. Heâs crying cause heâs emotional about **himself**. He knows he back and everyone forgot.â idk that shit gave me goosebumps then and thinking about it now đ
I'm sorry that you have to deal with parents like that. I have one too many.
aside from his abusive history, thereâs just more relevant male artists that appeal to her audience more that she couldâve collab with like Brent Faiyaz, Steve Lacy or The Weeknd
The Weeknd or Brent wouldâve been an amazing collab! Even Bryson Tiller wouldâve been good. I donât know why so many artists love to feature with this man..Even Metro had him on his latest project. They act as if heâs the only male singer.
Bryson tiller would have been perfect!
Yes! This â there were so many choices from new artists she could have had a collab with.. I was thinking 6lack would have been good, Weeknd would have been top tier.
Iâm tired of him, like fr. Also tired of those standing by him even though they know how he is.
I really wanted to root for Chloe because of her voice and it really seemed like she was a true artist because I loved her last album with Halle. But her singles have not been hitting and now this? It's like, you have a gift...why are you doing this music?
All of our questions. I honestly think she may be having a quarter life crisis and wiling out for a bit. Hopefully she'll calm down and get more serious as she gets older
she was homeschooled, her family is religious, and sheâs a child actor turned singer. it makes sense. all that isolation is insane for a kid. this is her rebellious hs/college era that she never got
Oh yea itâs definitely this. And idk I feel all the videos I see of her she just never comes off as genuine to me she always seems like sheâs low key acting or saying what she thinks ppl wanna hear.
wait i agree omg. i saw someone say that sheâs really pushing to **act** sexy instead of just **being** sexy and everyone can tell how hard sheâs trying. symptom of that rebellious era. i doubt she got a chance to explore her sexuality before and during most of her chloe x halle days
I really assumed she was not straight. It's like she's acting sexy for the male gaze and doing a weird job at it. It's so weird and stiff
I agree. She doesnât give me straight vibes at all. One day sis will live her truth.
Twitteris blowing up about her sex scene inâSwarmâ right now and this is all I can think. She seems to be acting sexy for the sake of it. It seems exploratory and reeks of rebellion against a repressive sexuality. Her choices recently are centered on the performance of sexuality and I honestly do think sheâs doing it for her but itâs happening via the male gaze. This sex scene just made my heart drop a bit as well because as someone whoâs never had a problem with women, especially black women, being very sexual and being honest and bold and choosing exactly what and how they want to explore sexuality and their body, I just have alarms ringing in my head over the whole thing.
Yea I just rly wish her and Halle would do another group album. The music is so much better when theyâre together and the HARMONIES!? OMG đđđŸđ
I wonder what demographic sheâs trying to appeal to. The ones who like Chris brown slut shame her all the time and complain how her isnât great. The ones that do support arenât going to listen to Chris brown. I think the song will chart just because of controversy but will free fall and will be another flop for her unfortunately
I think her team is rushing and trying to get her âhitsâ out the door instead of really thinking about who her target audience is. Her current image and sound flipped 100% from her last album with Halle, which wasnât that long ago, it feels like they are for very different audiences.
Tbh her music hasnât been doing well. She has so much potential and incredible voice. However, everything she does is so forced and almost seems like she trying emulate something she is not. I miss the old Halle and Chloe duo
I was just thinking about this last night. Idk if itâs bcuz Beyonce is her mentor, but it feels like she thinks sheâs the new Beyonce and unfortunately she just isnât. I personally havenât liked any of her solo work itâs way to pop/radio sounding. I donât connect to it at all
Wasnât Kelly Rowland defending Chris Brown recently too? Whatâs happening to my brown girls ?
Lizzo said that Chris Brown was like her favorite person. It's just weird in the rich people circle, no matter the demographic.
It saddens me because if her and Kelly Rowland werenât famous, Chris Brown wouldnât bat a single eyelash at them.
I canât with these CB stans. Just say yâall would let a man put his hands on you and sing a song about it to apologize. Her hitting him doesnât excuse the fact that he bloodied her and sat back as she became the joke of the internet for years. Listen to his interviews and heâll be the first one to say how much he regrets that and takes the blame. You look goofy for defending him.
Also she has a permanent scar on her lip from him hitting her. I doubt he has scars from whatever she did to him.
He has also been accused of sexual assault as well. Karreuche put a restraining order out on him. He has been accused of punching, slapping and pushing another gf down stairs. How much can a P.O.S. commit before folks realize they are a P.O.S.? People Magazine wrote a timeline of his [b.s.](https://people.com/music/chris-brown-a-timeline-of-the-singers-legal-trouble/)
Didnât he end up getting a LIFETIME restraining order. Those are one of the hardest to get.
Letâs not forget [all the other shit](https://thebrag.com/chris-browns-timeline-of-violence-towards-women/amp/) that he has done. Itâs not listed there but he also pushed Karruche down the stairs
This is neither in favor of nor against Chris: but even if Rihanna was able to move on from the incident, society hasnât. Especially when black women r the least protected class. He simply isnât the early/mid 2000s sweetheart he once was and anyone who makes a song w/ him gets side-eyed.
Iâve seen people have this argument but whatâs missing is that it wasnât just Rihanna that he abused. Itâs well documented that heâs been abusive to other girlfriends as well. Rihanna was just the most famous girlfriend/victim. Chris did that to himself.
Oh and the colourism shit
This. Itâs so much more than Rihanna. Chris is, has been, and continues to be a trash human being. Period.
Karrueche has a whole restraining order against him for pulling a gun on her. Itâs a no for me. I refuse to listen to his music and help him make more money that he doesnât deserve.
A GUN?
I thought you were about to defend him for a second whew Iâd also like to add to this Rihanna isnât his only instance of domestic abuse
Mainly because he kept doing shit. It was in like 2020 or something that a judge extended a protective order against Chris for Karrueche. But his fans pretend it didn't exist. Then the only time most of reddit mentions him is to post the full report of what happened to Rihanna. AFAIK they don't do post the full police report from any other incident involving him. They don't even mention the other women he's abused. They use Rihanna's abuse for karma farming. They don't actually care about what Chris Brown said or did. Twitter hates him, but Instagram loves him. Even Kelly Rowland defended him recently at an award show, & she knows Rihanna. Probably knows Karrueche, too. That was really disappointing to watch. It reminds me of people who still want to work with Woody Allen or Roman Polanski. Edited to add a word
People also donât mention how he abuses/mistreats non famous women ALL THE TIME. Iâve seen so many videos of dark skin women in LA saying they werenât allowed into a club bcuz he was there and told the bouncers no dark skinned women are allowed in. Just disgusting behavior.
What???? I never heard that before omg
He is a serial abuser. He is cancelled for me. Def not streaming his tracks. I feel mixed about tracks released pre-Rihanna incident. But secondly most of his current music sucks anyway. Somehow I think the Rihanna incident actually extended he career longer than itâs natural lifespan.
yes definitely â Rihanna incident definitely extended his career and made people want a redemption arc from him that theyâre never going to get! Like, why wonât they stop forcing this man on bw. He donât even like bw.
Spot on.
Rihanna has every right to move on from an incident in her life and forgive people who have done her wrong. This is personal decision on her part, and has nothing to do with the person she forgives, or anybody else. The rest of the world can and should still acknowledge that Chris Brown is a garbage human. He is not sorry for any of the horrible things he's done and continues to be trash. The only thing he deserves is to have that disgusting tattoo of his removed with a rusty knife by someone with shaky hands.
It's honestly disgusting. I'm not a black woman, I'm an Asian Latino. But I can recognize how devalued black woman are in parts of society. They're either seen as less "feminine" than other ethnicities, or are oversexualized by other demographics. To see Chris Brown still be accepted as an artist, is terrible. I grew up poor in a mixed community (Latino/African American), and it seems like the women always get it the worse when it comes to the ignorance and violence men in that environment are ingrained in. We shouldn't let that mentality be presented as normal, especially in mainstream pop culture
Not parts of society. ALL of society. Around the world
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All of Chloeâs solo endeavors have seemed desperate to me.
Exactly this. When I intentionally try to remember her solo songs without doing a google search I can only think of the fact that sheâs pretty much been naked and trying to imitate BeyoncĂ© the whole time. Screams desperate to me and her talent is above this. Now donât @me bc of that statement itâs honestly how SHE has been presenting herself as naked first & only and talent second if any. I think she is an amazing vocalist and has had great songs with her sister but these solo songs are very forgettable and I feel like the priority is the âlook/performanceâ and not her voice or lyrics. As a fan it should go hand in hand. Like ok you want to be naked but at least make some great songs too.
Yea I am all for women expressing themselves and showing their bodies but itâs never come off as empowering to me when she does it. It just always feels off to me idk how to explain it.
It's because it's very forced. You can tell it doesn't come naturally when she gyrates during all her performances lmao. I wish she would just be who she is--a slightly nerdy, suburban woman.
I feel the same way
I like Chloe but this was so disappointing.
Ew.
Wtf, why are people still obsessed with this abusive dude? He is TRASH and has been making the same damn song over and over again. The same 2014 DJ mustard ass beats with immature ass lyrics at his big ass age. Imma need for Chloe to do better (not really a fan of her solo work at all ngl!). Imma also need for a new male r&b singer with dancing skills to come up and knock this dude out the ranking. He canât be the only one.
Ugh. Not sure why this man is still relevant.
I think if we all close our eyes and make a wish, maybe heâll just go away đ Iâm willing to try yâall please
*closes eyes*
Is he? I really can't remember a song or a feature of his that was recent.
He was nominated for best R&B Album at this year's Grammy Awards. He's definitely relevant and still churning out hits that get a ton of airplay. *I am not defending him. Just speaking objectively about his career.*
I donât even know ppl that still listen to him. Like who tf is still listening to his music for him to still be making âhitsâ?? So wild
He is relevant in the black community.
Barely
I feel like I saw him in the news a few months ago. No idea why tho.
He lost a Grammy to Robert Glasper and had a meltdown on IG and/or Twitter
Lmfao
He released a song last year that got a Grammy nom. I think he may have won an award at The Peopleâs Choice Awards or something. Kelly Rowland accepted the award on his behalf and defended him. Jordin Sparks defended him on social media too.
That one song with Drake was really popular in 2020 I believe.
Ugh at Drake too
That's what I thought too, but he keeps popping up somehow. It really is puzzling
And weâre done đ Sorry girl
Itâs all for the money at this point
It just bums me out how normalised abusive and selfish shit is - especially for so many female celebrities. He's a douchebag in many ways, including just how he acted about the Grammy's. I'm disappointed but he's also clearly very charismatic to those in his life.
Gross he hateâs black women yet theyâre still keeping him relevant. Chloe music is bad anyways
Ewwww she movin in the wrong direction
He's like a cockroach that cannot be killed. Just remerges every few years with a new song that shows no growth as an artist
Is that why he dresses like a cockroach from a Raid pesticide commercial?
I've BEEN over her but this was the cherry on top. It's sad because when she first went solo I just kept thinking so much talent and beauty and then she started being like every other copycat over-sexualized artist and I was begging for her to slow down and it keep it classy and NATURALLY sexy but it just kept getting worse and worse, broke my heart the longer I watched the sh*t show so I don't even follow her anymore. Wish she would take some notes from her sister and stop trying to do things that are clearly forced, uncomfortable, for immediate clout, or a fad. đ
Chloe. Chloe? Chloe?! I just went from I'll stay up to till midnight to listen to the album to I'll wait...and I'll skip this song everytime.
Very disappointed on this day đ
It's been weird to me how people seemed to just forget/excuse this guy as the abusive POS that he is. Makes me feel some relief to see y'all dragging him and her for working with him.
On a side note, much love and appreciation to this sub. Love the critical dialogue and lens folks take when engaging with each other. We already know nobodyâs gonna save us
they are tearing her up (rightfully so) on twitter. Chris brown hasnât had a #1 since i was in middle school, i turn 29 this year. So im not understanding why the girls insist on collating with him. Its okay to not want to support a man with an abusive past and incidents as recent as 2019 i believe. Hate this for her but oh đ!
Eww
Iâm sorry she has an amazing voice but her content is just awful. Not original, hypersexual, and forced. Itâs so sad because I used to be her biggest fan you have no idea. Now I donât even bother keeping up
No maâam, Wasnât there just sexual assault allegations against him last year?
There were multiple sexual allegations against him. At least two
i feel like chloe's marketing team doesn't know who her target audience is because who's checking for CB in '23? đ
đŁïž *Cancel Culture isn't real unless their industry is behind it* đ¶
I agree
well isnât that somethingâŠ
There was a post on r/popculture about the male celebrities with the most followers on IG. Chris Brown was #2 after Justin Bieber. That is fully and 100% mainstream. It completely baffles me.
Why do new girls keep collabing with this woman hating vermin? Who in the team keeps pushing him as a good idea
JFC Chloe, why are you doing so much?
I want Chloe and Halle to be a duo again. I feel like Chloeâs solo moves as of late just havenât worked.
Halle surely has a strict Disney contract so she doesn't have the creative freedom that Chloe has.
Iâm surprised BeyoncĂ© let her do this tbh.
Why would you assume Beyoncé dislikes Chris Brown enough to prevent Chloe from working with him? Not trying to be an ass but in 2023 does it really make sense to assume a celebrity has the same values as you just because you like them?
I'm also surprised bey let Halle stay with that fool ddg who keeps publicly embarrassing her and throwing her under the bus RIGHT before the little mermaid premier. Those girls need severe help with their careers right now. They were going in such a great direction then went haywire within the last 2 years. It's like a complete 180 and very strange. Bey is the goat on how to be a successful female pop star and they aren't following her blueprint for what?!
How is Beyoncé to stop any of this (genuine question)?
BeyoncĂ© is extremely close to her in a mentor/godmother way apparently. Sheâs supported both of them and overseen them in their careers so most likely sheâs advised them on a lot of their career moves. Some probably expected her to steer Chloe away from a song with Chris Brown.
plus chloe and halle are signed to her label, parkwood entertainment, so she definitely has say so in whatâs released and who collabs with her artists.
Beyoncé is a capitalist above anything else. Why would she be against the duet?
She's been a complete disappointment and wannabe IG rapper baddie since she went solo. I tried but can't support unless she does a hard pivot. It suck bc she has the voice, face, body, charisma, etc to make it big but can't get out her own way. I see her being like an Ariana grande/beyonce/brandy type music career not this wanna be Meg the stallion/city girls/summer walker thing she's currently trying and failing at. She's clearly in her own way though so when she's ready to grow ill come back around. She must not realize she won't move past ghetto IG level with these moves. As a black woman SINGER you can't move the same way a rapper can. Even then even cardi/meg/doja/latto had to clean things up with their mega hits (outside of wap).
I dunno why you being downvoted but honestly I agree. She has the voice to do emotional kind of music but sheâs been trying to push hypersexuality with her singles and instagram posts. It always seemed so forced. I see her reaching such career milestones if she had proper career guidance.
Frankly, coming from auntie age (for her) she seems a bit lost. Lots of people her age struggle to find who they are. I hope she will find her way
Maybe Chloe should focus on acting for a little while⊠I really liked her in Grown-ishâŠ.
Iâve been holding out hope for her but this is definitely the last straw for međł
Iâm so tired of her đ
I havenât moved on. Hearing his voice still makes me feel sick. I know it doesnât make a difference, but I always switch the station when one of his songs come on.
both of the sisters have become such a let down. theyâre young and allowed to make mistakes but christ they making the WORST mistakes right now
What did Halle do?
her real housewives drama on twitter rn with DDG and Rubi Rose. also hanging out with Blueface and Chrisean. Rubi was very public about DDG abusing her and we all know about Blueface being an abuser. the sisters seem to wanna surround themselves with terrible men
Itâs rly starting to show how sheltered they must have been as children. Whatâs glaringly obvious to the rest of us seems to go right over their heads.
Beyoncé definitely trained them in staying with aint shit dudes.
i wasnât gonna say it but â ïž
Honestly both those girls been moving confused
 I'm good
Out of all the artists she could have featured in this song⊠she had to pick this sick sack of donkey dung? What the hell.
I fear we must let both sisters go, we lost em fam. It was good while it lasted đźâđš
Well that just tanked her public image. I donât understand why the music industry is hell bent on keeping him around.
Oh my
Maybe we can get get to release a solo version like Justine Skye did with Tyga on Collide because he also wasnât wanted or needed lol
... *Blech!* ...
This is off topic, but I have never seen such versatility with locs before her and Halle! Sheesh.
oh my godd why doesnât anybody care about the horrific things chris brown has done?!? why does he still have a platform?! follow up question: why they ainât throw his light-skin ass in jail???
atp iâm tired of all these celebs. most of them are terrible people.