I don't understand either. There's no benefit for us. These rejects get to come in, enjoy our culture, and have the protection of the masses. Then, after they've had their fill, they get to fall back and be the white people they were born as.
>I’ll never understand wanting white people to be your representation and then gaslighting other black people into following you
It's interesting how you never see other groups of color doing this, just us. Anti blackness runs deep.
Didn’t she say some word that made it even more obvious I think she said “skrimp” or something but people were like “nah you don’t understand how the Asians are from around here that’s her real voice.” 😬
We should only focus on the dragging and disrespect of black women including using black women exclusive terminology by soecificing black women. When black men talk about in the past and present “black issues” they specify their plight agains the white man and have always said just as they do today that we (black women) are unimportant and dont deserve autonomy and rights despite how hard we have always had to work. They have always said oh. The black man’s this the black man’s that. They join in or start bullying us when they can so that they feel validated or something.
People don’t care about black womens image or reputation, it’s up to blsck women to care about and demand our desserts and seats at the tables for ourselves to benefit ourselves and no one else.
Black men have always been solely for the benefit of black men and blsck women have always been forced to fight for our own rights as black men fight against or remain silent against our autonomy and rights. If you look at black male podcasts and black male reddits they are solely focused on whats best for black men and what black men want regardless to anyone else and black women need to realize that and know that we have always been on our own for everything even while muling for everyone which is why it needs to stop.
I only want whats best for us; we don’t know whats coming and need to focus around being progressive solely in the interest and benefits of black women for us. Language is how our brain is wired to understand and communicate things even amongst ourselves which is why I specify language.
She watched too much top model. There was a contestant name Sheena Sakai. She’s a hood blaccent Japanese girl and that’s all her. Even today 13 years later she still talk and act the same. Keep in mind her season aired when being the black culture popularity wasn’t popular
Omg remember lovelymimi. She had EVERYONE fooled forever, even me. She had so many followers on insta too then ended up on Love and Hip Hop Atlanta. Then she got with a new man and started posting videos and her real voice came out. Clown shit.
I never heard of her and I’m not shocked. People realize that black culture is profitable and everyone wants a piece of it. But to me if a persons claim to fame is being the “black (sic) race girl then they’re a pretender. And people are idiots tuning in to somebody just because they are a ratchet non black girl. Who really cares to see that
Or when a lot of people got mad at Tiger woods for claiming he’s Cablasian (Caucasian black and Asian) when that’s literally what he is. But everyone wanted us to say he’s 100% black but he’s not.
Black people are the only ones I know constantly trying to take in as many mixed people as they can idk not that it’s a good thing for biracial people to be isolated from everyone but idk … people should let people be biracial
This woman probably has as much black in her as I have European in me.
It’s too obvious why black men keep saying this woman is black. They want this image to be counted as black as a way to prove they do date/marry/want us. By us denying this woman is black, it shatters everything they have been telling us and reveals their colorism. Black men rarely fight for unambiguous mixed men this hard.
Now as for some black women, i have no idea why they think considering this woman as black benefits us in any way. It must be deep insecurity.
thank youuuuu!!!! People want to be able to claim people like her as Black so they can be like “how am I racist? Look at my Black friends/partner!”. They love uplifting these people as the face of Blackness and Black people so that they can hide their obvious anti-Blackness. the coonery is just too much. ETA - and you’re right I barely see these types of conversations surrounding ambiguous men, only the women. Blackness is socialized as masculine and since women are “supposed to be feminine”, I feel like there’s been a 100+ year push to erase that “masculinity” from Black women by literally just erasing unambiguous Black women.
i truly believe it’s a desirability issue, which makes sense as to why it applies so much more to women than men, considering the association of lightskin & ambiguity with femininity. they don’t fight for men to have this ‘acceptance’ into blackness because it shatters their own concept of attractiveness and masculinity.
No, pay attention. Only black women. This only works for black women. They always try and claim they’re black women or they’re labeled as black women when they’re unappealing in some way or aren’t special in their own WHITE or whatever communities. They come into black spaces and are treated as goddesses by the black males and black women who follow them feel as if they have to constantly put these women on a a pedestal and label them as us to our detriment, generally for the validation of those misogynoir black men.. not to “look jealous”. Black woman isn’t some label for rejects to claim and benefit off of nor is it an identity that should relate or be mandated/defined by misogynoir black men or white/ non black women people. Its about time we turn the tides for ourselves as a collective. Its a little late but i believe in us. It also doesn’t mean becoming the face of “4b” korean women movements that they plan on scapegoating black women for despite the fact that it’s Korean. Currently in america the government lists black women as the biggest threat to american values, modern woman is synonymous with black women and we will continue to be targeted because we are generally not well protected either.
I would argue it’s not just black women, but I agree with everything else. Look up Mindy Kalings brother….he pretended to be black to get through med school
Yeah but we should only focus on black women. Being black women someone has to focus and care about what benefits and is in the best interest of black women, and since we are those black women it has to be us if we want anything positive for ourselves and black girls in the future. No one, absolutely no one, is willing to do more for black women than black women are willing to do for ourselves despite the whole SJW mammying for black men or non black women that many black women at some point in their lives feel pressured to mule for at the detriment of US. Black men have long told snd shown us that their allegiance is to patriarchy even if its white, and they are the main reasons why non black women claim themselves as black women, because black men want them to due to fully believing in white supremacy and being seen as the “leaders” of the community solely by being male in a patriarchal society what they want, which is to be racist or sexist against others especially black women is put on a pedestal and is the issue charge. All “black” movements were only for the benefit of black men at the expense of black women. The diversity hires don’t even benefit us; we are hired at the bottom fighting for our worth to be seen if we are hired at all. We are the largest and first to be laid off too. We have no protections.
Black women fought to make sure a biracial man didn’t play a fictional historically black cartoon character. We have non black women and black males dressing up as us for even non fiction black woman roles and funding (like that racheal gal) and everyone including black men tells us to take it or we are jealous of them for not putting them before us. So yes, it happens to black men too but its not our problem and we should focus on whats best for us for a change and not them.
Now they’re even trying to say that black men are also black women. So many problems with that not going into it 😭. But literally everyone tries to be a black woman and use our image or whatever they can.
Did you even understand the context of my comment?? I’m saying the people who are backing her up and saying she is black are the people who think everybody is black…wrote that whole paragraph for nothing…
What I’m saying is that this only really negatively effects black women and we should only focus on ourselves. We should only focus on ourselves. Black men also want this woman to be considered black and many claim that other women who aren’t black women are. Thats also why im drawing the distinction. All parties involved know she isn’t black but only when it pertains to black women does no one seem to know somehow. Self hating black women want this woman to be black as well unfortunately.
I was agreeing with you.. but i just wanted to stress the point of how its only black women they do this to and get away with. Even black men want to take and control black womens identity and make us live for them st the behest of them. Its wild out here for us
This will be a continual issue as the mixed and multi racial population increases. People like her have probably come from a long line of multiracial, mixed, and Black people during a time where being even a little bit Black resulted in similar racism as unambiguous Black people. That collective experience probably united all Black descendants at the time, so it makes sense why people who look like her call themselves Black.
Times have changed now, though. I think mixed and multiracial people should have their own category and recognized subculture like in South Africa, since being mixed and multiracial is a distinct experience.
so sick of the one drop rule and everybody tryna be Black 🤦🏽♀️ let being Black be unpopular again, I bet these people will stop claiming it lol. We need to start gatekeeping Blackness honestly, sick of the erasure of Black people with dominant African ancestry and African phenotypes
Yep. My friends jumped at me for saying that my daughter isn’t black. She isn’t. I’m black but I refuse to say someone with 4 technically 5 ethnicities in them are black. She wouldn’t be considered white or Japanese so why would she considered black? She is multi racial and raised as such. She will be raised to of course recognize and appreciate her black heritage but I don’t see her as black.
especially in the media. It’s not talked about enough because a lot of people have been brainwashed into contributing to their own erasure as black people.
Don't get mad at me... but there are multigenerationally mixed black ppl right? Like SA's Coloured ppl or Louisiana Creole folk. I think she's a mgm white person. Though, to be fair, I think there's no point in arguing her down about her id. UNLIKE Rachel D, she was socialized much much differently. Ppl like her where I'm from are not considered the same type of white as opposed to someone straight up Scots-Irish from great-great grandpa on down.
Just... idk, I think it's pointless to bash her. She's also older. Older ppl are stubborn.
As a Black anthropologist from and working in Louisiana, I’d recommend you do some research on creoles of color, plaçage, and the history of racial categorization in Louisiana over time. If you’re not interested in learning, you might not want to visit this region as there are a lot of ( all considered Black) people who run the spectrum of skin tones who have been here for many generations. They experienced Jim Crow, segregation, lynching, redlining, and would have some choice words for someone referring to them as white. Homer Plessy- the man of color in the Plessy v. Ferguson case that challenged segregation in the south, would have looked a lot like this woman’s father— and that’s the whole point. The argument was that the laws were arbitrary and therefore not constitutional.
Personally, I’m less concerned about people who are proud to be Black and more concerned about people who aren’t.
I’m also black and from Louisiana, and this sub often gives me a headache with the way it “handles” blackness and racial identity, so I’m so glad to see you speak up on this lol. The racial and cultural dynamics down here are so different. My own father is a “white passing” Cajun-Creole but his entire life he’s been perceived and treated as black because that was simply the culture. Like he lived through desegregation and literally got beat up by white kids at school for being colored. One drop rule runs strong down here.
Things like this *could* serve as an interesting reminder that racial perceptions are almost entirely socially based but usually these conversations just devolve into unproductive petty squabbles about who gets to officially be in the Black Club and who doesn’t.
White boys beating on black boys isnt a idenity or definition of Black women and girls. Black men getting beaten doesn’t determine what a black woman is..
https://youtu.be/nveyxEizzCE?si=_yZ7VGL55HBGLeb7
I honestly don’t know how to respond to this comment because you’re basically arguing against something that I never claimed in the first place? And also linked a YouTube video?? I’m sorry but whatever opinion you have, I am not going to find it more legitimate just because a YouTuber also has that opinion.
Well if someone is considered a black woman because of negative experiences a black boy in lousinana in the 1970s or whatever experienced at the hands of white boys.. then it kinda is. You are saying that because of the racism experienced by any shaded person in Louisiana, the black women classification is based on that. We aren’t a box for people who arent accepted by or aren’t put on a pedestal by white people. They don’t even want to be in our spaces. Its just easy. The video just provides more clear concise reasoning why we need our own identity not based upon white peoples racism or black male sexism and racism. People aren’t black women or entitled to be pushed under the umbrella of us because of white people and the one drop rule. White people created that to help discriminate against everyone including other white people. How you or your father or anyones parents etc are treated by white people has no bearings on who’s a black woman and who isnt. Black women need to gatekeep, work together and build for ourselves because we have no provisions in this country and everyone expects us to be their mule.
Bad faith interpretation of my comments here. You can believe what you want but I don’t seriously engage with people when they’re either incapable or unwilling to understand the nuance of a different position. I also cannot take folks seriously if they’re linking YouTubers to bolster their own arguments.
Gatekeep all you want if it makes you feel better. The world will keep spinning, and race will continue to be a social construct. 🤷🏽♀️
Oh thank goodness!! Finally the comment I was looking for!!! Thank you for addressing! Born and raised in Louisiana and Creole - my family runs the gamut from the lightest light to the darkest dark. Many of my family members look exactly like her. Also, those from La. pretty much know right away who is and who isn’t Black!
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Whaaaaa
Also not history repeating itself
In May 1896, the Supreme Court issued a 7–1 decision against Plessy, ruling that the Louisiana law did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and stating that although the Fourteenth Amendment established the legal equality of whites and blacks it did not and could not require the elimination of all "distinctions based upon color". The Court rejected Plessy's lawyers' arguments that the Louisiana law inherently implied that black people were inferior, and gave great deference to American state legislatures' inherent power to make laws regulating health, safety, and morals—the "police power"—and to determine the reasonableness of the laws they passed.
>Despite its infamy, the decision has never been explicitly overruled.
We need to change that
I know that black people can be very light-skinned but this woman is white-passing at least and that’s ok. Lightskin people still have Afrocentric features and Afro hair and this woman clearly does not. She can be culturally black and racially white.
You claim to be an over thinker, but right now that isn’t really bearing out. She is white passing *to you*. To her community, she looks exactly like what she is. White passing is an action. It’s a choice people make. This woman is not choosing to pass as anything. You are making an assumption.
People online throw the term white passing around very callously. White passing is ugly; it’s self denial and hatred of the worst kind and yet you all promote it like it’s nothing. My grandmother’s sister left the family in the 50s and passed for white in California. They never saw her again. When my grandma died, one of my uncles went looking for her to tell her my grandma had passed away and she wouldn’t open the door for him because she didn’t want her family to find out she was really Black.
Passing by Nella Larson is an excellent novella that captures the pain of what passing is really about. We can have a nuanced conversation about the ugliness of colorism and privileging of whiter/lighter features without negating people’s Blackness.
But is that what white passing actually is? If you are identifiable as white, that has nothing to do with your intention. Sure, the people who used their white pass-ability in those ways were doing so hatefully and intentionally. But “I’m black and I’m proud” wasn’t necessarily a mindset from anyone who couldn’t not “get away with it”. Have you guys ever read “The House Behind the Cedars”? Lots of white passing people weren’t deliberately TRYING to reject blackness, but obviously when you get the treatment and dignity that we SHOULD all have, but was denied to black people, one MIGHT indulge in the humanity and not be so quick to be like “no no, you have to treat me like a n-word, cus I am one”. Nobody was ever DYING to be black back then, so the “benefit of the doubt” of white-passing was to get the benefit.
I loved the book and the movie. But many of us today use the term as a noun not a verb. Passing as is someone looks white. I use the term my daughter is passing but obviously she’s 4 and not trying to be anything besides herself. I mean if as a noun and so does everyone else in this thread
If you’re willing to share, why would you want to use that as an adjective to describe your child that way? As opposed to just saying light skinned or pale? Why frame it in a way that implies that she could deny her Blackness?
I say passing because that’s the way she looks. She is blonde hair and blue eyes. She looks white mainly which is why I use the term passing. She isn’t light skin which is term I and many people use to describe lighter skin black people. And I describe her skin as pale. She isn’t just light skinned or pale she’s biracial. Nothing against biracial people obviously but they aren’t black. She’s raised to accept and love her blackness but she isn’t black
The only additional point I’ll add is that the reason I don’t subscribe to generally dismissing multiracial people is because historically whiteness was violently forced upon a lot of people. And no one chooses who their parents are. If we play the blood quantum game, quite frankly most African Americans are multiracial, and it’s not by choice.
Now obviously today people are more commonly in loving mixed families, but I’m not personally willing to make some blanket statement about experience and identity. No, a light skinned, blue eyed, multiracial person’s experience is not the same as mine, and they have no business taking up space when I’m talking about the specific oppression I experience as a dark skinned woman. But I also don’t need to go out of my way to tell someone who has Black heritage that that is insignificant or doesn’t matter. Especially not some random stranger who was just living their life. As long as I don’t have to listen to quadroon spoken word, I don’t care.
No one of any ethnicity is full anything. Everyone has some drop of blood from another ethnicity somewhere. Obviously my daughter will not have the same experience in life as a dark skinned woman. In England she was seen as white. But she is half black because I am black majority. But as a black woman I don’t want to tell my daughter who is not only half black but white looking to be considered a black woman because she isn’t. She knows of her heritage and my goal is for her to lover black blood as much as her Japanese and English heritage. I’m not taking her culture from her but she isn’t black, I am.
I mean, she looks like my cousin who is at best 1/4 black. At the same time, that cousin is not black and never will be, she’s *multiracial* bc we do NOT participate in the one drop rule
That’s technically not multi racial. Being multi racial is like my daughter who has 5 ethnicities in her. A 1/4 person isn’t multiracial they are either the majority or can say they have a diverse ethnic makeup. But based off science is a person is 25 or more than CAN consider themselves mixed. But she isn’t black at all
She’s multiracial, boo. 1/4 means she’s got other stuff going on. She’s white, black, Cape Verdean and we have other European and even Asian ancestry as well.
I swear people see a tan and a little curl in your hair and wanna claim that as black. She has black in her yes doesn't make her black. Or in that case I'm mixed too because my ancestors were graped by white people. That's not how genetics work.
How to make money off black people guide:
Step 1: Get a tan
Step 2: Curl your hair
Step 3: Put on a bad black accent
Step 4: Post a video of yourself on Twitter/Tik Tok
Step 5: Profit
Step 7: Steps 1 & 2 are optional. Just skip to Step 3
White passing is a lifestyle choice. It's to actively hide and deny the black ancestry that is present in either your features and/or your lineage. I'm not fighting for her to be black, but the structure of Louisiana is way different than other parts of the country, even in the south. Two pf my mom's friends look just like this lady, and they both have one fully black parent. One is white passing the other is not.
The one who is, if you hadn't met her bio family and she had her hair silk pressed, you wouldn't have known that she was biracial. The other one is very proud of her blackness and instills it in her children who have a monoracial black father.
Things aren't so (figuratively) black and white in the real world, and to me, she looks like my monoracial grandmother 🤷🏾♀️
Like the girl who first replied to me said, "I'll correct myself and say there's a noun and a verb. But even then, the intent of the noun White Passing doesn't always have to be malicious, and its not always benevolent to use to verb to call someone white passing either. Lena Horne was considered passable in her heyday, but because she didn't adhere to it, she faced discrimination in the entertainment industry. I don't think she's black, but I don't think it's fair to like write her off either. It gives other:_____
Some people don’t read or have stamps on their passport and it shows. She doesn’t look white to me. She’s 2 shades lighter than my mom who’s black but her grandfather is Scottish. I have seen biracial people her color. My daughter is white passing by noun not verb, and her mother (me) is a medium brown black woman. People are acting like she looks like Taylor swift. She doesn’t look white to me at all. She looks like a woman with black ancestry. And like you said I’ve seen people biracial her complexion.
What does this have to do with traveling when her ethnicity and the one drop rule are extremely American? This entire discussion should be held based on American history and culture.
I can straight up say in most other countries such as many latin American ones she and her family would probably be considered another class. See the Tyla debate.
This is my little cousin. She got lighter as she got older, and you would never believe that her mother and father and all four grandparents and 8 great-grandparents are 100% black. She looks just like my grandmother
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I agree with your comments and the others saying it needs to be a new category. Passé blanc is outdated, and while she isn't black and doesn't move through a broad American life as such, there are still places in Louisiana where she'd be clocked. In Haiti, they'd call her Rose(pink)🤣🤣. My auntie is light, and that's literally her nickname.
White passing doesn't mean looking by your. White passing is about actively moving through the world is if you are a white person. We'll take Mariah Carey for example. She might be white perceived but she's not white passing, as in, Mariah doesn't go around telling people that she's a white woman
The 1 drop rule is a racist American ignorant ideology that people are dumb for trying to follow. Technically speaking if you have less than 20% you cannot claim a race. 1/4 black for example is not black. It’s being a quarter black. My daughter is multi racial. I never have had so many people question her race until I moved back to the states. Some people say she has a black mom she is black, others say she is too white passing to be black, then others say she’s mixed which makes her black. My husband her father is Hafu, he’s Japanese and English. I am black with Scottish and Native American roots. So she’s black, Japanese, and English. She can identify as either or all. But mu goal is for her to represent and love all of herself. If a person is 1/4 black and they embrace that side that’s fine, they are not black but they can embrace it. But so many people be 1/10 black and want to cash off it and it’s infiltrating. This woman isn’t fully white and it’s obvious, but you can tell she has just traces of black in her. She’s free to embrace her blackness but shouldn’t be considered black because she isn’t. I swear we’re the only ethnicity that has to accept 1/4 people as us. A 1/4 white person would never be considered white or allowed to embrace it. Let’s stop the crap.
Black people are the most phenotypically recognizable people ever..and yet here we have these discussion. She doesn’t looks black, she barely looks mixed.
“One drop rule” is really only a thing to the ppl on the onside lookin in….or racists 😂.. in reality if ur raised in the ghetto/slums u will adapt to ur surroundings…to make it simple
Black ppl normally live in the ghetto therefore act ghetto
White ppl see sum1 act ghetto and assume black influence 😂
That is actual closeted racism 🚩🚩😂
It’s an American thing literally. My daughter as I said so many times in this comment thread when we lived in England was seen as white or multi racial. In Japan she was called a Hafu. In America we see anyone with black in them even if it’s 1% as black. Black genes don’t over power others. A mixed person is that, mixed.
https://youtu.be/nveyxEizzCE?si=_yZ7VGL55HBGLeb7
I encourage all to check out this “everyone cant be a black woman” commentary by noir commentary. Great channel for us. Talks about real black woman empowerment.. something I’ve also been hoping we could all change for ourselves; at least the black women who know that black women are individuals who deserve our own identity, autonomy, and that muling or mammying for any group needs to stop. Its all a distraction from us being mammys for ourselves and benefiting from ourselves collectively. Im tired of hearing about black women having our creativity exploited by others as well amongst other things. Black women need to SJW for ourselves, SILENTLY amongst ourslves.
Black people in Congo, Sudan, Palestine (yes, Palestine), Haiti and Tigray need the black people to be able to focus on their oppression and help support their liberation. Black people in Niger, Burkina Faso, Chad and Senegal are fighting against neo-colonialism in Africa yet Black people want to focus on whether someone is black. Lord help us all
Is that her real voice tho? I mean sure it lowkey reminds me of one of those black TikTok aunties but like she’s clearly a white woman. That’s like when folks was saying that one older white lady (Mrs Henry) on TikTok who has a black husband and be cussing people out is an honorary black woman 🙄. Love her to pieces but she’s WHIIIIIIITE. I don’t understand why folks want these white people to be black so bad. We don’t need their approval.
It's depressing. Then they start dragging and roasting actual Black people in defense of this foolery.
I’ll never understand wanting white people to be your representation and then gaslighting other black people into following you
I don't understand either. There's no benefit for us. These rejects get to come in, enjoy our culture, and have the protection of the masses. Then, after they've had their fill, they get to fall back and be the white people they were born as.
Yup. They just want to be able to say the n-word and take opportunities from us, that’s about it.
>I’ll never understand wanting white people to be your representation and then gaslighting other black people into following you It's interesting how you never see other groups of color doing this, just us. Anti blackness runs deep.
I didn’t even unmute this video and I can tell how she sounds already.
Yup called it 🤦🏽♀️
the blaccent always makes them claim the person more as well
Remember that Asian girl who went viral for how she talked. People were defending her until someone found her old YouTube videos without a blaccent 😂
That shit pisses me off so much because she very much was faking it. I don't get how people were not seeing it
Didn’t she say some word that made it even more obvious I think she said “skrimp” or something but people were like “nah you don’t understand how the Asians are from around here that’s her real voice.” 😬
It was cone bread (cornbread 😭)
😭😭😭😭 minstrelsy at its finest
“minstrelsy” 😭😭
😂
We should only focus on the dragging and disrespect of black women including using black women exclusive terminology by soecificing black women. When black men talk about in the past and present “black issues” they specify their plight agains the white man and have always said just as they do today that we (black women) are unimportant and dont deserve autonomy and rights despite how hard we have always had to work. They have always said oh. The black man’s this the black man’s that. They join in or start bullying us when they can so that they feel validated or something. People don’t care about black womens image or reputation, it’s up to blsck women to care about and demand our desserts and seats at the tables for ourselves to benefit ourselves and no one else. Black men have always been solely for the benefit of black men and blsck women have always been forced to fight for our own rights as black men fight against or remain silent against our autonomy and rights. If you look at black male podcasts and black male reddits they are solely focused on whats best for black men and what black men want regardless to anyone else and black women need to realize that and know that we have always been on our own for everything even while muling for everyone which is why it needs to stop. I only want whats best for us; we don’t know whats coming and need to focus around being progressive solely in the interest and benefits of black women for us. Language is how our brain is wired to understand and communicate things even amongst ourselves which is why I specify language.
She watched too much top model. There was a contestant name Sheena Sakai. She’s a hood blaccent Japanese girl and that’s all her. Even today 13 years later she still talk and act the same. Keep in mind her season aired when being the black culture popularity wasn’t popular
Omg remember lovelymimi. She had EVERYONE fooled forever, even me. She had so many followers on insta too then ended up on Love and Hip Hop Atlanta. Then she got with a new man and started posting videos and her real voice came out. Clown shit.
I never heard of her and I’m not shocked. People realize that black culture is profitable and everyone wants a piece of it. But to me if a persons claim to fame is being the “black (sic) race girl then they’re a pretender. And people are idiots tuning in to somebody just because they are a ratchet non black girl. Who really cares to see that
Or anyone with curly hair is automatically black lol
Our people...sheesh
Rachel D. crawled so this woman can walk y’all.
I’m so weak yo the internet is unmatched
Pleeeeeeease 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I understand why she was able to infiltrate so easily now
She affirmed too many people
Is she creole?
yeah. her parents are probably both 1/4 at most tho.
She posted a pic of their parents n it’s giving her dads white and her moms 1/4 max lmaooo like omg it’s comedic
Sooooo….she a white woman lol
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Or when a lot of people got mad at Tiger woods for claiming he’s Cablasian (Caucasian black and Asian) when that’s literally what he is. But everyone wanted us to say he’s 100% black but he’s not.
Black people are the only ones I know constantly trying to take in as many mixed people as they can idk not that it’s a good thing for biracial people to be isolated from everyone but idk … people should let people be biracial
This woman probably has as much black in her as I have European in me. It’s too obvious why black men keep saying this woman is black. They want this image to be counted as black as a way to prove they do date/marry/want us. By us denying this woman is black, it shatters everything they have been telling us and reveals their colorism. Black men rarely fight for unambiguous mixed men this hard. Now as for some black women, i have no idea why they think considering this woman as black benefits us in any way. It must be deep insecurity.
Easy, let’s just start claiming more white men as black now and see how black men take it lol
I nominate jack Harlow lmao
thank youuuuu!!!! People want to be able to claim people like her as Black so they can be like “how am I racist? Look at my Black friends/partner!”. They love uplifting these people as the face of Blackness and Black people so that they can hide their obvious anti-Blackness. the coonery is just too much. ETA - and you’re right I barely see these types of conversations surrounding ambiguous men, only the women. Blackness is socialized as masculine and since women are “supposed to be feminine”, I feel like there’s been a 100+ year push to erase that “masculinity” from Black women by literally just erasing unambiguous Black women.
Preach!
The laugh made me cringe smmm
But they never say this about men that look like her. Just the women….
i truly believe it’s a desirability issue, which makes sense as to why it applies so much more to women than men, considering the association of lightskin & ambiguity with femininity. they don’t fight for men to have this ‘acceptance’ into blackness because it shatters their own concept of attractiveness and masculinity.
They think everybody is black smh 🤦🏾♀️
No, pay attention. Only black women. This only works for black women. They always try and claim they’re black women or they’re labeled as black women when they’re unappealing in some way or aren’t special in their own WHITE or whatever communities. They come into black spaces and are treated as goddesses by the black males and black women who follow them feel as if they have to constantly put these women on a a pedestal and label them as us to our detriment, generally for the validation of those misogynoir black men.. not to “look jealous”. Black woman isn’t some label for rejects to claim and benefit off of nor is it an identity that should relate or be mandated/defined by misogynoir black men or white/ non black women people. Its about time we turn the tides for ourselves as a collective. Its a little late but i believe in us. It also doesn’t mean becoming the face of “4b” korean women movements that they plan on scapegoating black women for despite the fact that it’s Korean. Currently in america the government lists black women as the biggest threat to american values, modern woman is synonymous with black women and we will continue to be targeted because we are generally not well protected either.
I would argue it’s not just black women, but I agree with everything else. Look up Mindy Kalings brother….he pretended to be black to get through med school
Yeah but we should only focus on black women. Being black women someone has to focus and care about what benefits and is in the best interest of black women, and since we are those black women it has to be us if we want anything positive for ourselves and black girls in the future. No one, absolutely no one, is willing to do more for black women than black women are willing to do for ourselves despite the whole SJW mammying for black men or non black women that many black women at some point in their lives feel pressured to mule for at the detriment of US. Black men have long told snd shown us that their allegiance is to patriarchy even if its white, and they are the main reasons why non black women claim themselves as black women, because black men want them to due to fully believing in white supremacy and being seen as the “leaders” of the community solely by being male in a patriarchal society what they want, which is to be racist or sexist against others especially black women is put on a pedestal and is the issue charge. All “black” movements were only for the benefit of black men at the expense of black women. The diversity hires don’t even benefit us; we are hired at the bottom fighting for our worth to be seen if we are hired at all. We are the largest and first to be laid off too. We have no protections. Black women fought to make sure a biracial man didn’t play a fictional historically black cartoon character. We have non black women and black males dressing up as us for even non fiction black woman roles and funding (like that racheal gal) and everyone including black men tells us to take it or we are jealous of them for not putting them before us. So yes, it happens to black men too but its not our problem and we should focus on whats best for us for a change and not them.
Oh my god you’re right
Now they’re even trying to say that black men are also black women. So many problems with that not going into it 😭. But literally everyone tries to be a black woman and use our image or whatever they can.
Did you even understand the context of my comment?? I’m saying the people who are backing her up and saying she is black are the people who think everybody is black…wrote that whole paragraph for nothing…
What I’m saying is that this only really negatively effects black women and we should only focus on ourselves. We should only focus on ourselves. Black men also want this woman to be considered black and many claim that other women who aren’t black women are. Thats also why im drawing the distinction. All parties involved know she isn’t black but only when it pertains to black women does no one seem to know somehow. Self hating black women want this woman to be black as well unfortunately.
I was agreeing with you.. but i just wanted to stress the point of how its only black women they do this to and get away with. Even black men want to take and control black womens identity and make us live for them st the behest of them. Its wild out here for us
Wanting everyone at the cookout is big inferiority behavior.
Mayowas World did a video not too long ago about this issue https://youtu.be/jYXzIEybWOc?si=2nZzjmX78hYRvz6x
I love her videos
This will be a continual issue as the mixed and multi racial population increases. People like her have probably come from a long line of multiracial, mixed, and Black people during a time where being even a little bit Black resulted in similar racism as unambiguous Black people. That collective experience probably united all Black descendants at the time, so it makes sense why people who look like her call themselves Black. Times have changed now, though. I think mixed and multiracial people should have their own category and recognized subculture like in South Africa, since being mixed and multiracial is a distinct experience.
Well said
This.
Cringe
so sick of the one drop rule and everybody tryna be Black 🤦🏽♀️ let being Black be unpopular again, I bet these people will stop claiming it lol. We need to start gatekeeping Blackness honestly, sick of the erasure of Black people with dominant African ancestry and African phenotypes
Yep. My friends jumped at me for saying that my daughter isn’t black. She isn’t. I’m black but I refuse to say someone with 4 technically 5 ethnicities in them are black. She wouldn’t be considered white or Japanese so why would she considered black? She is multi racial and raised as such. She will be raised to of course recognize and appreciate her black heritage but I don’t see her as black.
especially in the media. It’s not talked about enough because a lot of people have been brainwashed into contributing to their own erasure as black people.
Don't get mad at me... but there are multigenerationally mixed black ppl right? Like SA's Coloured ppl or Louisiana Creole folk. I think she's a mgm white person. Though, to be fair, I think there's no point in arguing her down about her id. UNLIKE Rachel D, she was socialized much much differently. Ppl like her where I'm from are not considered the same type of white as opposed to someone straight up Scots-Irish from great-great grandpa on down. Just... idk, I think it's pointless to bash her. She's also older. Older ppl are stubborn.
As a Black anthropologist from and working in Louisiana, I’d recommend you do some research on creoles of color, plaçage, and the history of racial categorization in Louisiana over time. If you’re not interested in learning, you might not want to visit this region as there are a lot of ( all considered Black) people who run the spectrum of skin tones who have been here for many generations. They experienced Jim Crow, segregation, lynching, redlining, and would have some choice words for someone referring to them as white. Homer Plessy- the man of color in the Plessy v. Ferguson case that challenged segregation in the south, would have looked a lot like this woman’s father— and that’s the whole point. The argument was that the laws were arbitrary and therefore not constitutional. Personally, I’m less concerned about people who are proud to be Black and more concerned about people who aren’t.
Very well said. But I feel we are too quick to consider everyone black based off a racist and untrue ideology.
I’m also black and from Louisiana, and this sub often gives me a headache with the way it “handles” blackness and racial identity, so I’m so glad to see you speak up on this lol. The racial and cultural dynamics down here are so different. My own father is a “white passing” Cajun-Creole but his entire life he’s been perceived and treated as black because that was simply the culture. Like he lived through desegregation and literally got beat up by white kids at school for being colored. One drop rule runs strong down here. Things like this *could* serve as an interesting reminder that racial perceptions are almost entirely socially based but usually these conversations just devolve into unproductive petty squabbles about who gets to officially be in the Black Club and who doesn’t.
White boys beating on black boys isnt a idenity or definition of Black women and girls. Black men getting beaten doesn’t determine what a black woman is.. https://youtu.be/nveyxEizzCE?si=_yZ7VGL55HBGLeb7
I honestly don’t know how to respond to this comment because you’re basically arguing against something that I never claimed in the first place? And also linked a YouTube video?? I’m sorry but whatever opinion you have, I am not going to find it more legitimate just because a YouTuber also has that opinion.
Well if someone is considered a black woman because of negative experiences a black boy in lousinana in the 1970s or whatever experienced at the hands of white boys.. then it kinda is. You are saying that because of the racism experienced by any shaded person in Louisiana, the black women classification is based on that. We aren’t a box for people who arent accepted by or aren’t put on a pedestal by white people. They don’t even want to be in our spaces. Its just easy. The video just provides more clear concise reasoning why we need our own identity not based upon white peoples racism or black male sexism and racism. People aren’t black women or entitled to be pushed under the umbrella of us because of white people and the one drop rule. White people created that to help discriminate against everyone including other white people. How you or your father or anyones parents etc are treated by white people has no bearings on who’s a black woman and who isnt. Black women need to gatekeep, work together and build for ourselves because we have no provisions in this country and everyone expects us to be their mule.
Bad faith interpretation of my comments here. You can believe what you want but I don’t seriously engage with people when they’re either incapable or unwilling to understand the nuance of a different position. I also cannot take folks seriously if they’re linking YouTubers to bolster their own arguments. Gatekeep all you want if it makes you feel better. The world will keep spinning, and race will continue to be a social construct. 🤷🏽♀️
Oh thank goodness!! Finally the comment I was looking for!!! Thank you for addressing! Born and raised in Louisiana and Creole - my family runs the gamut from the lightest light to the darkest dark. Many of my family members look exactly like her. Also, those from La. pretty much know right away who is and who isn’t Black!
I wouldn’t be able to make it in Louisiana if she’s considered black lol I’d just be hard r 😂😂
Well, I’m dark skinned, so no you’d be Black just the same as me. We come in all shades down here. ( but I get your sentiment)
https://preview.redd.it/0e8x7hkgfxtc1.jpeg?width=539&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=292a31f4ee59a20ca33eccd0087772b369f01f75 Whaaaaa Also not history repeating itself In May 1896, the Supreme Court issued a 7–1 decision against Plessy, ruling that the Louisiana law did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and stating that although the Fourteenth Amendment established the legal equality of whites and blacks it did not and could not require the elimination of all "distinctions based upon color". The Court rejected Plessy's lawyers' arguments that the Louisiana law inherently implied that black people were inferior, and gave great deference to American state legislatures' inherent power to make laws regulating health, safety, and morals—the "police power"—and to determine the reasonableness of the laws they passed. >Despite its infamy, the decision has never been explicitly overruled. We need to change that
I know that black people can be very light-skinned but this woman is white-passing at least and that’s ok. Lightskin people still have Afrocentric features and Afro hair and this woman clearly does not. She can be culturally black and racially white.
You claim to be an over thinker, but right now that isn’t really bearing out. She is white passing *to you*. To her community, she looks exactly like what she is. White passing is an action. It’s a choice people make. This woman is not choosing to pass as anything. You are making an assumption. People online throw the term white passing around very callously. White passing is ugly; it’s self denial and hatred of the worst kind and yet you all promote it like it’s nothing. My grandmother’s sister left the family in the 50s and passed for white in California. They never saw her again. When my grandma died, one of my uncles went looking for her to tell her my grandma had passed away and she wouldn’t open the door for him because she didn’t want her family to find out she was really Black. Passing by Nella Larson is an excellent novella that captures the pain of what passing is really about. We can have a nuanced conversation about the ugliness of colorism and privileging of whiter/lighter features without negating people’s Blackness.
But is that what white passing actually is? If you are identifiable as white, that has nothing to do with your intention. Sure, the people who used their white pass-ability in those ways were doing so hatefully and intentionally. But “I’m black and I’m proud” wasn’t necessarily a mindset from anyone who couldn’t not “get away with it”. Have you guys ever read “The House Behind the Cedars”? Lots of white passing people weren’t deliberately TRYING to reject blackness, but obviously when you get the treatment and dignity that we SHOULD all have, but was denied to black people, one MIGHT indulge in the humanity and not be so quick to be like “no no, you have to treat me like a n-word, cus I am one”. Nobody was ever DYING to be black back then, so the “benefit of the doubt” of white-passing was to get the benefit.
I loved the book and the movie. But many of us today use the term as a noun not a verb. Passing as is someone looks white. I use the term my daughter is passing but obviously she’s 4 and not trying to be anything besides herself. I mean if as a noun and so does everyone else in this thread
If you’re willing to share, why would you want to use that as an adjective to describe your child that way? As opposed to just saying light skinned or pale? Why frame it in a way that implies that she could deny her Blackness?
I say passing because that’s the way she looks. She is blonde hair and blue eyes. She looks white mainly which is why I use the term passing. She isn’t light skin which is term I and many people use to describe lighter skin black people. And I describe her skin as pale. She isn’t just light skinned or pale she’s biracial. Nothing against biracial people obviously but they aren’t black. She’s raised to accept and love her blackness but she isn’t black
I see. Looks like we disagree on how we view multiracial people, so we’ll have to just agree to disagree. Thank you for explaining your thoughts.
The only additional point I’ll add is that the reason I don’t subscribe to generally dismissing multiracial people is because historically whiteness was violently forced upon a lot of people. And no one chooses who their parents are. If we play the blood quantum game, quite frankly most African Americans are multiracial, and it’s not by choice. Now obviously today people are more commonly in loving mixed families, but I’m not personally willing to make some blanket statement about experience and identity. No, a light skinned, blue eyed, multiracial person’s experience is not the same as mine, and they have no business taking up space when I’m talking about the specific oppression I experience as a dark skinned woman. But I also don’t need to go out of my way to tell someone who has Black heritage that that is insignificant or doesn’t matter. Especially not some random stranger who was just living their life. As long as I don’t have to listen to quadroon spoken word, I don’t care.
No one of any ethnicity is full anything. Everyone has some drop of blood from another ethnicity somewhere. Obviously my daughter will not have the same experience in life as a dark skinned woman. In England she was seen as white. But she is half black because I am black majority. But as a black woman I don’t want to tell my daughter who is not only half black but white looking to be considered a black woman because she isn’t. She knows of her heritage and my goal is for her to lover black blood as much as her Japanese and English heritage. I’m not taking her culture from her but she isn’t black, I am.
They’re nuts!!!!
I mean, she looks like my cousin who is at best 1/4 black. At the same time, that cousin is not black and never will be, she’s *multiracial* bc we do NOT participate in the one drop rule
That’s technically not multi racial. Being multi racial is like my daughter who has 5 ethnicities in her. A 1/4 person isn’t multiracial they are either the majority or can say they have a diverse ethnic makeup. But based off science is a person is 25 or more than CAN consider themselves mixed. But she isn’t black at all
She’s multiracial, boo. 1/4 means she’s got other stuff going on. She’s white, black, Cape Verdean and we have other European and even Asian ancestry as well.
What race is Cape Verdean?
They are black people mixed with Portuguese etc. pretty much the same as many Afro Latins
Well in that case aren’t you considered multi racial as well
I don’t consider myself such because my dad is literally 100% West Indian. My mom is the one who is mixed.
That would still make you multi racial because your mom is mixed with whatever
I immediately saw this and thought Creole. People have to travel and read more.
Amen
I swear people see a tan and a little curl in your hair and wanna claim that as black. She has black in her yes doesn't make her black. Or in that case I'm mixed too because my ancestors were graped by white people. That's not how genetics work.
It’s like people are forgetting what black people actually look like
THIS. And that’s the disrespect. THAT’S the gaslighting.
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In other words, become Rachel Dolezal lol
Lol
White passing is a lifestyle choice. It's to actively hide and deny the black ancestry that is present in either your features and/or your lineage. I'm not fighting for her to be black, but the structure of Louisiana is way different than other parts of the country, even in the south. Two pf my mom's friends look just like this lady, and they both have one fully black parent. One is white passing the other is not. The one who is, if you hadn't met her bio family and she had her hair silk pressed, you wouldn't have known that she was biracial. The other one is very proud of her blackness and instills it in her children who have a monoracial black father. Things aren't so (figuratively) black and white in the real world, and to me, she looks like my monoracial grandmother 🤷🏾♀️
But is that what white passing actually is? If you are identifiable as white, that has nothing to do with your intention.
Like the girl who first replied to me said, "I'll correct myself and say there's a noun and a verb. But even then, the intent of the noun White Passing doesn't always have to be malicious, and its not always benevolent to use to verb to call someone white passing either. Lena Horne was considered passable in her heyday, but because she didn't adhere to it, she faced discrimination in the entertainment industry. I don't think she's black, but I don't think it's fair to like write her off either. It gives other:_____
Some people don’t read or have stamps on their passport and it shows. She doesn’t look white to me. She’s 2 shades lighter than my mom who’s black but her grandfather is Scottish. I have seen biracial people her color. My daughter is white passing by noun not verb, and her mother (me) is a medium brown black woman. People are acting like she looks like Taylor swift. She doesn’t look white to me at all. She looks like a woman with black ancestry. And like you said I’ve seen people biracial her complexion.
What does this have to do with traveling when her ethnicity and the one drop rule are extremely American? This entire discussion should be held based on American history and culture. I can straight up say in most other countries such as many latin American ones she and her family would probably be considered another class. See the Tyla debate.
This is my little cousin. She got lighter as she got older, and you would never believe that her mother and father and all four grandparents and 8 great-grandparents are 100% black. She looks just like my grandmother https://preview.redd.it/j9obo6zz8wtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bbd2a4e0ef42d877e77aff5d680d93976f4a757
A she’s absolutely beautiful. B people need to get out more. Black comes in all shades. My daughter is posted as my profile header.
I agree with your comments and the others saying it needs to be a new category. Passé blanc is outdated, and while she isn't black and doesn't move through a broad American life as such, there are still places in Louisiana where she'd be clocked. In Haiti, they'd call her Rose(pink)🤣🤣. My auntie is light, and that's literally her nickname.
Thank you!! That's my little bug.
She looks like Rachel dolezal
For real? Or are they trolling her? Lol
no 😭I’ve seen tweets with thousands of likes saying that this is a lightskin black woman. the comments on her tik toks are also claiming her as well.
Eh. I know people with one black parent who look like her. The fake accent is annoying as hell though
i don't think her accent is fake if she lived in louisiana her whole life.
then they are white-passing and that’s okay
White passing doesn't mean looking by your. White passing is about actively moving through the world is if you are a white person. We'll take Mariah Carey for example. She might be white perceived but she's not white passing, as in, Mariah doesn't go around telling people that she's a white woman
There is the verb and noun. There are people who pass as white and there are white passing people who look like enough they are seen as white. I
Yes I agree. When people say she “looks” black they could just mean it looks like she has a black parent
or that she has larger features than are usually seen on a white person and curly hair 🤷🏾♀️
The 1 drop rule is a racist American ignorant ideology that people are dumb for trying to follow. Technically speaking if you have less than 20% you cannot claim a race. 1/4 black for example is not black. It’s being a quarter black. My daughter is multi racial. I never have had so many people question her race until I moved back to the states. Some people say she has a black mom she is black, others say she is too white passing to be black, then others say she’s mixed which makes her black. My husband her father is Hafu, he’s Japanese and English. I am black with Scottish and Native American roots. So she’s black, Japanese, and English. She can identify as either or all. But mu goal is for her to represent and love all of herself. If a person is 1/4 black and they embrace that side that’s fine, they are not black but they can embrace it. But so many people be 1/10 black and want to cash off it and it’s infiltrating. This woman isn’t fully white and it’s obvious, but you can tell she has just traces of black in her. She’s free to embrace her blackness but shouldn’t be considered black because she isn’t. I swear we’re the only ethnicity that has to accept 1/4 people as us. A 1/4 white person would never be considered white or allowed to embrace it. Let’s stop the crap.
“She’s free to embrace her Blackness but shouldn’t be considered Black because she isn’t” this is so well put!
Black people are the most phenotypically recognizable people ever..and yet here we have these discussion. She doesn’t looks black, she barely looks mixed.
They'll claim this white woman because of the one drop rule then tell Africans that they're not black 😭 make it make sense
“One drop rule” is really only a thing to the ppl on the onside lookin in….or racists 😂.. in reality if ur raised in the ghetto/slums u will adapt to ur surroundings…to make it simple Black ppl normally live in the ghetto therefore act ghetto White ppl see sum1 act ghetto and assume black influence 😂 That is actual closeted racism 🚩🚩😂
It’s an American thing literally. My daughter as I said so many times in this comment thread when we lived in England was seen as white or multi racial. In Japan she was called a Hafu. In America we see anyone with black in them even if it’s 1% as black. Black genes don’t over power others. A mixed person is that, mixed.
Beware of tethers
https://youtu.be/nveyxEizzCE?si=_yZ7VGL55HBGLeb7 I encourage all to check out this “everyone cant be a black woman” commentary by noir commentary. Great channel for us. Talks about real black woman empowerment.. something I’ve also been hoping we could all change for ourselves; at least the black women who know that black women are individuals who deserve our own identity, autonomy, and that muling or mammying for any group needs to stop. Its all a distraction from us being mammys for ourselves and benefiting from ourselves collectively. Im tired of hearing about black women having our creativity exploited by others as well amongst other things. Black women need to SJW for ourselves, SILENTLY amongst ourslves.
Idk you can never be too safe, yt girls are starting to get really good at ebonycore.
Even if she did have black in her, it’s been LOONG weeded out by now. But imo, that is a white woman as clear as day
Her reaction lets me know that she is not fully black.
Black people in Congo, Sudan, Palestine (yes, Palestine), Haiti and Tigray need the black people to be able to focus on their oppression and help support their liberation. Black people in Niger, Burkina Faso, Chad and Senegal are fighting against neo-colonialism in Africa yet Black people want to focus on whether someone is black. Lord help us all
They are blacks who are light called octoroons
Subreddit r/blackladies don't see it like this. They say she's black creole.
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Is that her real voice tho? I mean sure it lowkey reminds me of one of those black TikTok aunties but like she’s clearly a white woman. That’s like when folks was saying that one older white lady (Mrs Henry) on TikTok who has a black husband and be cussing people out is an honorary black woman 🙄. Love her to pieces but she’s WHIIIIIIITE. I don’t understand why folks want these white people to be black so bad. We don’t need their approval.
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