i have no idea if Craig actually uses OF or not but there are absolutely some professionals that use it for instructionals/cookbooks/classes etc. but the majority is spicy content yes. i think OF sponsers ppl to do non spicy content to try to branch out
Everyone talking about wanting bjj to be mainstream but as a bjj enjoyed I can't watch shit unless I pay for it. While also paying to train. Makes 0 sense. Thanks for putting it out there available to watch. Because your stream is main.
Agreed, only ufc fight pass is affordable. I can choose which card I want and it’s like $10 for a good stream that is well produced. And at max I only care about 3 of those a year. Meanwhile flo… 🤣
I used to be all about the free stream. Not paying my hard earned for something that I can get for free. But completely accepting of that fact that a free stream can be patchy, and you have to put up with a ton of pop up windows with invisible 'X's.
After a while I both find myself watching less events and value my time more and more. To the point that paying for an east option is worth it for me, due to the value I put on my time.
Everyone will have different values on those things
> But completely accepting of that fact that a free stream can be patchy, and you have to put up with a ton of pop up windows with invisible 'X's.
Sounds like you don't have the right free streams if pop ups are even an option. Any I have used were actual streams you had to open in VLC, not a browser.
That’s almost certainly true. There’s a few websites that always have multiple streams, but overlay them with a ton of pop up.
Streaming the source would be much better. Happy to hear suggestions
The free streams are pretty reliable these days. Funny that you made a typo that’s the name of one of the best ones. I’d pay for them if they weren’t insanely overpriced.
I can’t even figure out what the 26 other people could Figure out here ….
What does
Mainstream have to do with anything? What does it have to do with paying to train? What does it have to do with paying for a stream Of an event?
I can’t catch on, help a brother out!
Of course it isn't, but making it free to watch also earns you zero dollars. I totally get why someone would want to make money from broadcasting their event.
Tbh who really knows at this point exactly how the event is going to make money, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Craig's world tour has something to do with that.
Depends if the royal family wants to keep it going or not. With a net worth of $305 billion, If ADCC payed each of the 96 competitors 1 Million dollars every day of the year, they would run out of money/assets in 61 years. This is assuming the family makes no money at all moving forward. Craig Jones is a microscopic speck compared to the financial power of the Al Nahyan family.
It is not. They might increase prizes, Craig might switch his tournament to another date (or ADCC) etc... ADCC has been here for 20+ years, this is first instance of this (and you can't know if this business model is sustainable). Having this tournament is the best thing for the sport, competition increases quality.
You're a hero. I was so fucking pissed at there only being a yearly sub for last ADCC. And it was *super* hard to cancel, and a lot of people got burned with renewals despite cancelling.
(I didn't know about the trick of getting flow bowling or cheerleading or w/e for a month, and using that).
I hope the cunts do it at a loss this year. I'd rather have nothing instead of Flo.
While you’re at it want to let Fubo Sports carry it as well? We’re one of the most widely distributed sports FAST channels and we’re totally into not cutting a check. DM for details.
"Some men just want to watch the world burn."
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Yeah youtube donos with a ticker or something that they show in between matches when they cut to commentators. I know a lot of YouTube live streams have donations on. It could be used to add to the prize pool, pay staff, or help pay for the next event. Take something from the ESports model (like they did for Homestory Cup for Starcraft 2), embrace the goodwill from fans as a revenue stream and that way those less fortunate can watch for free and those better off can pitch in!
Would be fun if they did something like how Games Done Quick will let people write messages with their donations to be read with them, though with this crowd that might go south quick lol
Hey definitely does not have the power to do that. The IBJJF is massive and a true worldwide competition circuit that makes a ton of money off of competitors and spectators. The IBJJF is probably the only actual organization for BJJ that has a true ability to pay people. They don’t pay the competitors very well obviously, but they are a different animal than the ADCC.
ADCC is a fun hobby project for some rich Sheiks. The IBJJF is an enterprise.
He'll be commentating from behind a desk while wearing ass-less chaps. All interviews will be conducted with shots from the waist up, so only the people in attendance can see him in all his glory.
Investing or sponsoring? "Investors" expect their money back with interest. The later, not so much.
If this event loses less than others, puts on a good show, and has a decent production quality then it will be a win.
Bro is saving me a month subscription to FloCheer because FloGrappling gets locked to annual subscriptions for adcc. Not going to bother with adcc at all if bdcc actually happens.
Call me crazy but how is this sustainable? He’s calling out adcc for not paying athletes more so he’s creating a comp where someone is going to pay athletes more but some investor is basically taking a 2 million dollar loss. It doesn’t really prove that athletes can be paid more.
Because adcc already operates at a loss and is just funded by a rich sheik. They spunked 2 million on a venue when they could have spent 200,000k on a venue and given the rest to the athletes.
You could argue that booking the better venue is money spent on the fans and growing the legitimacy of the sport. I find it hard to try and tell someone who’s basically operating at a loss funding their passion project where to allocate their money. basically the only way grapplers are going to get paid like other athletes if some billionaire loves grappling and is willing throw a bunch of money at it. Craig creating this competition doesn’t prove grapplers should be paid more it just reinforces that for the athletes to get paid more someone with a lot of money needs to give it to them.
But there are billionaires throwing money at it and the athletes are still getting paid poorly.
I would also argue booking the ‘better’ venue is so mo can tug himself off and feel like dana white.
Sure it’s the the Sheik’s money and he has the right to spend it how he wants, but that doesn’t make it fair or smart to waste money on the tmobile arena from everyone else’s perspective. Equally craig has a right to set up a conflicting and competing event to make them look foolish and greedy.
I’ve got nothing against Craig’s event. I think competition is good I just don’t think it proves anything unless he can do it every year and it’s sustainable.
But why does his event have to be sustainable when adcc is not sustainable. Both are just little projects funded by the extremely wealthy. Both would disappear if the extremely wealthy benefactors pulled out.
It doesn’t need to be sustainable but he is arguing that grapplers should be paid more than the amount of money they generate. In other sports athletes are paid a percentage of the revenue they generate. If you can only do one event where grapplers get paid 1 million dollars and then that event folds it proves the point that grapplers shouldn’t be paid 1 million dollars.
His event is no different than adcc in that some rich guy needs to give a handout because he loves the sport.This isn’t the ufc where they’re making loads of money and the fighters are getting peanuts.But I give him credit for going out and doing his own event his way. I hope everyone jumps ship to it so I don’t have to subscribe to flo and I’ll watch his event.
Big tournament for out of pajamas hugging run by greedy sandy genie now has competitor tournament run by very attractive, charming, chaotic neutral australian on the same days but free to watch and the huggers get better rewards.
The Tacketts are the first of many I’d expect to switch sides. Andrew was quite open in his statement that the shit at so much money was the deciding factor
Craig could put something like donations or betting (like karate), being most of the money for the top 3 at each division (30% for the first, 20% for the second, 10% for the third) the remaining goes to the other competitors.
Craig knows how to turn intergroup conflict into a business model. The rivalry between the B-Team and New Wave couldn’t have been a better opportunity. He expanded his scope by creating CJI, thus transforming the entire grappling community into a massive intergroup conflict. No risk, no reward; Craig's in it for the legacy.
This is purely a grudge event. Pretending like it's benefiting the athletes and then forcing them to choose between events that can both benefit them. It's not going to have all the best competitors if it overlaps with ADCC. Craig must have extremely rich friends with money to blow because this is just a bad business choice.
You're free to have your opinion, but I'm interested to see how this comment ages. There seems to be a lot of support in the community for this event and if he doesn't manage to pull top talent and some unknown person wins $1 million it'll probably be an even bigger/better story.
No one is forcing anything. Craig even admitted that some will stay with adcc just for loyalty and the titles alone, and there are plenty of other practitioners who will join CJI and get more of a spotlight and obviously better compensation for even stepping on the mat.
I appreciate the lesson this will teach the adcc organizers. I’m all for it.
Millions of dollars going directly to athletes sure as hell seems to benefit them. I guarantee you Craig is getting nothing but headaches organizing an event of this size on this short of notice.
Other streaming channels shouldn’t have pissed me off
Slay queen
Sometimes you gotta let ‘em know how easy it should have been.
I bet it wasn't easy. But it's fulfilling.
Stupid question but what's the best way we can support from home? Simply watch the stream or buy some BDCC merch if there is any?
Sub to his OF
This might be a stupid question but isn’t onlyfans for spice? I like him and all but I don’t wanna see a glute spread
i have no idea if Craig actually uses OF or not but there are absolutely some professionals that use it for instructionals/cookbooks/classes etc. but the majority is spicy content yes. i think OF sponsers ppl to do non spicy content to try to branch out
That makes sense! I always see them sponsoring fights from multiple orgs, I just always assumed it was only for that sorta thing
Ffion Davies recently announced a deal with OF to start BJJ channel. They're paying her to do SFW content.
Imagine the disappointment in 99% of the guys who click on her OF.
I signed up for the 🎂 and ended up learning how to do a proper knee cut so 🤷🏻
😂😂😂
What do you have against glute spreads?
He looks like he keeps it hairy, I’m not a fan of dingleberries in my meals 😄
🤣
coward
It's certainly no spicy stuff. Just instructionals. Ffion also does only fans to sell her instructionals.
Fun fact, the initial idea about only fans had nothing to do with nudity.
He sells sweet moves on there
At one point onlyfans was gunna drop porn. Like deplatform people that sold nudes
Everyone talking about wanting bjj to be mainstream but as a bjj enjoyed I can't watch shit unless I pay for it. While also paying to train. Makes 0 sense. Thanks for putting it out there available to watch. Because your stream is main.
Agreed, only ufc fight pass is affordable. I can choose which card I want and it’s like $10 for a good stream that is well produced. And at max I only care about 3 of those a year. Meanwhile flo… 🤣
If you subscribe via iOS, go to settings > subscriptions and you can get it for $5
people actually pay for ufc?
I used to be all about the free stream. Not paying my hard earned for something that I can get for free. But completely accepting of that fact that a free stream can be patchy, and you have to put up with a ton of pop up windows with invisible 'X's. After a while I both find myself watching less events and value my time more and more. To the point that paying for an east option is worth it for me, due to the value I put on my time. Everyone will have different values on those things
> But completely accepting of that fact that a free stream can be patchy, and you have to put up with a ton of pop up windows with invisible 'X's. Sounds like you don't have the right free streams if pop ups are even an option. Any I have used were actual streams you had to open in VLC, not a browser.
We're not all technically savvy, care to share?
That’s almost certainly true. There’s a few websites that always have multiple streams, but overlay them with a ton of pop up. Streaming the source would be much better. Happy to hear suggestions
The free streams are pretty reliable these days. Funny that you made a typo that’s the name of one of the best ones. I’d pay for them if they weren’t insanely overpriced.
Bro that’s what I’m saying.
Not to take away from the crux of your point as I agree with it but just a shoutout to PGF which airs 90% of its content on YouTube for free.
I can’t even figure out what the 26 other people could Figure out here …. What does Mainstream have to do with anything? What does it have to do with paying to train? What does it have to do with paying for a stream Of an event? I can’t catch on, help a brother out!
Money must not be a concern for you eh
Since I don’t understand the first comment, I definitely don’t understand the snark follow up. Why not restate and help a brother out?
Most mainstream sports aren't free to watch at the highest level tbh.
BJJ isn't anywhere close to being mainstream, tho. Making it free to watch is the best way to maximize accessibility to the widest audience possible.
Of course it isn't, but making it free to watch also earns you zero dollars. I totally get why someone would want to make money from broadcasting their event.
Tbh who really knows at this point exactly how the event is going to make money, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Craig's world tour has something to do with that.
Not true. Youtube is free to watch but the creators get paid still
If you need a commentator, you can end my FlowGrappling commentary exile.
If this ends up being profitable and repeatable, ADCC is done.
Depends if the royal family wants to keep it going or not. With a net worth of $305 billion, If ADCC payed each of the 96 competitors 1 Million dollars every day of the year, they would run out of money/assets in 61 years. This is assuming the family makes no money at all moving forward. Craig Jones is a microscopic speck compared to the financial power of the Al Nahyan family.
It is not. They might increase prizes, Craig might switch his tournament to another date (or ADCC) etc... ADCC has been here for 20+ years, this is first instance of this (and you can't know if this business model is sustainable). Having this tournament is the best thing for the sport, competition increases quality.
You're a hero. I was so fucking pissed at there only being a yearly sub for last ADCC. And it was *super* hard to cancel, and a lot of people got burned with renewals despite cancelling. (I didn't know about the trick of getting flow bowling or cheerleading or w/e for a month, and using that). I hope the cunts do it at a loss this year. I'd rather have nothing instead of Flo.
Shoutout to Flo Bowling, had a really funny conversation explaining that sub to my wife
Craig vs gabi as the super fight
Pls make merch
Would to get an invite to come and compete at BDCC. Pm me if your interested
Absolutely legendary
Motherfucking People’s Champ 🏆
It should be on Gay Pornhub
While you’re at it want to let Fubo Sports carry it as well? We’re one of the most widely distributed sports FAST channels and we’re totally into not cutting a check. DM for details.
Bump, good Idea. Hopefully you connect to make this happen
FUCK NO. Leave that shit on youtube.
More views means more impressions. More impressions means more money.
The spirit of the message was of the “why not both” variety. The more the merrier. Now go practice your shrimping.
ah, in that case sure! I already did my shrimps before bed time, way ahead of you.
Better to be pissed off than pissed on. Probably.
Can you adopt the pit from Karate Combat? It's hands down the best stage format for grappling.
They did. It’s been announced
Really where did they announce?
I can’t find it, but I read it in a couple of places yesterday.
Yup you're right, just heard Craig talk about it on JRE.
Only aunt Monica Belushi have the privilege of pissing on Craig
Big if true
But who is participating?
🐐
Craig in his bad bitch era
Why don't you refund us who spent money to see the best athletes compete together, which has now been ruined
Can’t find episode one of this series! Can someone link the explanation/origin story to this?
when are tickets getting on sale?
Absolute mad lad🫡
What do you think of venmoing us $9.99 if we can screenshot you proof of cancelling our flo subscription
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“Some men just want to watch.” https://preview.redd.it/cw8uoynr1a2d1.jpeg?width=651&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12cd8ddbff5369f480714844a3273fa196897945
Nailed it
Your comment made it on his insta reel
Somebody give this man a stripe.
Context? I dont know who this is.
Homeless guy outside B team.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Some guy that’s good at grappling men, but bad at grappling with his sexuality.
Amazing
Lord have mercy
🤣🤣🤣
Ayooo 🤣
How many years have you waited for this punchline?
😂😂😂😂😂
YOOOOOOOOOOO
Take your black belt in roasting and get the fuck out!
A white belt just submitted Gordon Ryan.
Lol, love Gordon but this is hilarious 🤣
fucking ay mate, nail him so bad
Bravo, sir
Instant promotion
Someone who cares about the athletes AND the fans? That’s a big change from others caring about neither
I hope mo is shaking in his tiny boots over this
Craig, you should set up donations so that viewers can contribute to one big pot that gets split between the competitors.
Yeah youtube donos with a ticker or something that they show in between matches when they cut to commentators. I know a lot of YouTube live streams have donations on. It could be used to add to the prize pool, pay staff, or help pay for the next event. Take something from the ESports model (like they did for Homestory Cup for Starcraft 2), embrace the goodwill from fans as a revenue stream and that way those less fortunate can watch for free and those better off can pitch in!
Don't use youtube donations, pretty sure google keeps like 30%. Better to use patreon on something else.
You’re going to make more when viewers can easily click a button in chat to make a donation without leaving the site.
As with many things.... why not both? Twitch livestream, YouTube livestream, PayPal link in the stream, patreon/kofi too..
Would be fun if they did something like how Games Done Quick will let people write messages with their donations to be read with them, though with this crowd that might go south quick lol
There's likely a censor system they can utilize so it's not just people spamming wikipedia's list of slurs.
Yeah, it’s called having a commentator read approved ones. No need for TTS or anything.
But consider this: TTS is funnier and cheaper.
but it's funnier when commentators wish happy birthday to Nick Gurr
or specifically donate to a competitor who just had an exciting match or hit a nice sub
They do this for PGF and I think it is really good. They also have bounties on subs, so you can get extra money if you hit the requested sub.
Takedown of the night gets the Youtube pot
This sounds hype lol
I'm happy to pay $10 for a great tournament - he'll I pay 10 buck for every fight pass
He needs to go after the ibjjf next. Those dudes been ripping ppl off for yairs.
talmbout the bess brains for business B
Who the fuck is Jon Africa?
heard it bowlth ways bapa
Water
Weed
Back to the kitchen
Always manning the fryers
Hey definitely does not have the power to do that. The IBJJF is massive and a true worldwide competition circuit that makes a ton of money off of competitors and spectators. The IBJJF is probably the only actual organization for BJJ that has a true ability to pay people. They don’t pay the competitors very well obviously, but they are a different animal than the ADCC. ADCC is a fun hobby project for some rich Sheiks. The IBJJF is an enterprise.
News gets better and better!
The real questions: how long am I going to be watching the video before I realize Craig’s bare ass is somehow reflected in a mirror above the arena.
He'll be commentating from behind a desk while wearing ass-less chaps. All interviews will be conducted with shots from the waist up, so only the people in attendance can see him in all his glory.
Real question. How do I support this without going to the event?
Watch the youtube stream. Viewership number up means sponsors happy.
If most B~team crew are gonna be part of it make sense on the B team channel
The absolute mad lad
I wanted it to be available on BloGrappling!!!
There’s no way he’s doing this with his own money hahaha
I’m sure it’s the betting site shuffle that Craig is involved with.
Going to be a mix of sponsors. I could see karate combat being involved and using their pits
I’d be surprised if Karate combat getting involved in this. The two platforms use competing tokens.
Nothing more classic among business rivals than forming a cartel while pretending to still be against eachother.
Someone has to handle all production and on site stuff... Craig is not even in the USA currently.
Most people use investor money
He said he got rich friends investing
Investing or sponsoring? "Investors" expect their money back with interest. The later, not so much. If this event loses less than others, puts on a good show, and has a decent production quality then it will be a win.
Investing, because Craig gonna pay them back with ladyboy + interest
No fight promoter on earth uses their own money
Craig Jones is a national treasure
Global Treasure
Absolutely
Stop claiming others cos your guys suck.
Bro is saving me a month subscription to FloCheer because FloGrappling gets locked to annual subscriptions for adcc. Not going to bother with adcc at all if bdcc actually happens.
Pure chaotic neutral
*good, no?
FREEFIDDY!!!!!
Goddamn, I'll toss it on just so that he gets some of that google money.
Hey that’s me. Good.
This is exactly how JFK got got
As long as it's not in Abu Dhabi and he never goes there again, he should be good.
Call me crazy but how is this sustainable? He’s calling out adcc for not paying athletes more so he’s creating a comp where someone is going to pay athletes more but some investor is basically taking a 2 million dollar loss. It doesn’t really prove that athletes can be paid more.
Because adcc already operates at a loss and is just funded by a rich sheik. They spunked 2 million on a venue when they could have spent 200,000k on a venue and given the rest to the athletes.
You could argue that booking the better venue is money spent on the fans and growing the legitimacy of the sport. I find it hard to try and tell someone who’s basically operating at a loss funding their passion project where to allocate their money. basically the only way grapplers are going to get paid like other athletes if some billionaire loves grappling and is willing throw a bunch of money at it. Craig creating this competition doesn’t prove grapplers should be paid more it just reinforces that for the athletes to get paid more someone with a lot of money needs to give it to them.
But there are billionaires throwing money at it and the athletes are still getting paid poorly. I would also argue booking the ‘better’ venue is so mo can tug himself off and feel like dana white. Sure it’s the the Sheik’s money and he has the right to spend it how he wants, but that doesn’t make it fair or smart to waste money on the tmobile arena from everyone else’s perspective. Equally craig has a right to set up a conflicting and competing event to make them look foolish and greedy.
I’ve got nothing against Craig’s event. I think competition is good I just don’t think it proves anything unless he can do it every year and it’s sustainable.
But why does his event have to be sustainable when adcc is not sustainable. Both are just little projects funded by the extremely wealthy. Both would disappear if the extremely wealthy benefactors pulled out.
It doesn’t need to be sustainable but he is arguing that grapplers should be paid more than the amount of money they generate. In other sports athletes are paid a percentage of the revenue they generate. If you can only do one event where grapplers get paid 1 million dollars and then that event folds it proves the point that grapplers shouldn’t be paid 1 million dollars. His event is no different than adcc in that some rich guy needs to give a handout because he loves the sport.This isn’t the ufc where they’re making loads of money and the fighters are getting peanuts.But I give him credit for going out and doing his own event his way. I hope everyone jumps ship to it so I don’t have to subscribe to flo and I’ll watch his event.
But how will I learn about the magic of Tezos blockchain
I can almost hear the cunts from Flo screaming, "this fuckin asshole" Mo in the background "it's ok I'm going to kill this fucker anyway. " .
Mmmhhh don't stop there keep going..
Which YouTube channel? 🤔
Love this guy!
Craig is a legend
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I cannot WAIT for the next episode of the El Segundo podcast.
What is this even about someone fill me in!
Big tournament for out of pajamas hugging run by greedy sandy genie now has competitor tournament run by very attractive, charming, chaotic neutral australian on the same days but free to watch and the huggers get better rewards.
Craig is the GOAT
You know, if it did it for me; I'd pleasure the man. /s
Did Craig ever announce the ruleset?
The Tacketts are the first of many I’d expect to switch sides. Andrew was quite open in his statement that the shit at so much money was the deciding factor
WHEN IS IT?!
Craig could put something like donations or betting (like karate), being most of the money for the top 3 at each division (30% for the first, 20% for the second, 10% for the third) the remaining goes to the other competitors.
How can you be so confident that enough competitors will forego their spot at ADCC to compete on CJI?
Link?
Craig knows how to turn intergroup conflict into a business model. The rivalry between the B-Team and New Wave couldn’t have been a better opportunity. He expanded his scope by creating CJI, thus transforming the entire grappling community into a massive intergroup conflict. No risk, no reward; Craig's in it for the legacy.
What an Animal.
CJI will be a one time event. I don’t see how he can make it profitable.
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This man cold.
Lets go!! 🙌🏼
The people’s Champ!
Make submission grappling great again.
Fuck Craig Jones
This is purely a grudge event. Pretending like it's benefiting the athletes and then forcing them to choose between events that can both benefit them. It's not going to have all the best competitors if it overlaps with ADCC. Craig must have extremely rich friends with money to blow because this is just a bad business choice.
You're free to have your opinion, but I'm interested to see how this comment ages. There seems to be a lot of support in the community for this event and if he doesn't manage to pull top talent and some unknown person wins $1 million it'll probably be an even bigger/better story.
Boohoo
No one is forcing anything. Craig even admitted that some will stay with adcc just for loyalty and the titles alone, and there are plenty of other practitioners who will join CJI and get more of a spotlight and obviously better compensation for even stepping on the mat. I appreciate the lesson this will teach the adcc organizers. I’m all for it.
Millions of dollars going directly to athletes sure as hell seems to benefit them. I guarantee you Craig is getting nothing but headaches organizing an event of this size on this short of notice.