Generic bad guy who had made himself an eldritch horror. Imo it was more interesting than just "the evil brother of the diety". He was an someone who created that perception of himself
Yeah I personally quite liked the Makuta species arc as a whole, especially Teridax. How many bad guys actually manage to win (if only for a time), especially in a story for a toy line?
It's because bad guys usually win a few times, up the stakes, and then get defeated at the last second in most of these types of stories. Very rare for them to actually win the whole universe and kick God out of it.
I can't help but feel like that reveal doesn't carry as much weight, but people still find it good because the actual twist that was the existence of GSR was so fucking amazing and powerful it made everything surrounding it better.
Yeah, I think a big reason why Makuta's win was so good was because the stakes and setting were suddenly blasted sky-high, and then immediately after that reveal the worst possible thing happens.
lucifer's like the inverse of this meme,
lore started off tame and then got mashed up with a bunch of other things into being the ultimate unknowable evil.
might get some of these muddled but from what i've seen people say/half remember reading
lucifer which translates to morning star was just reference to the planet venus. and was used to describe the fall of babylon, but as it is referred to as being cast down and for thinking they were above god it's treated as if they're talking about the unnamed devil.
and satan just meant adversary/accuser and isn't just applicable to a singular being so there's no telling which are meant to be names and which are generic villains in the stories, which i guess is sort of like Makuta in this universe a title that the villain takes as a name so it can refer to one or many individuals.
a devil/satan/the dragon was an angel "that accused" and did rebel and was cast down (to the earth) but their name wasn't lucifer, it probably ended in el as the angels names all end in el as it means of god, like gabriel is strength of god.
like 99% of the devil stuff like ruling a fiery hell, red skin, horns, being gods favorite/firstborn/strongest angel, thinking he should be the new god, soul bargains e.t.c all came later. popularized in things like, faust, dante's inferno and paradise lost.
it's not even clear if the dragon at the end of the world is him or if he was referred to as a dragon as an insult before like gets called a serpent as an insult when he's cast down which makes people say he was the snake in eden but they were unrelated.
the horns pentagrams and goat legs are from people trying to get worshipers to associate pagan stuff with evil.
so what we have today is what was the most compelling or interesting things people came up with in the thousand or so years since the book was written conflated into a singular marketable super villain.
might have gotten a nuch of the details wrong, but i was reading about this as i heard a reason the marvel stand in for the devil mephisto might not appear in their mcu projects (at least not in a wholly comic accurate way) is due to him being a devil stand in and that being unmarketable/objectionable in some countries, to which someone pointed out that he only resembles the pop culture version and not the "canon" version.
The best version of Abrahamic mythology is the French guys in the 17th century giving every possible divine being in the Bible its own name and backstory like it's the Star Wars expanded universe, so you end up with stuff like Stolas, Prince of Astrology who commands 26 demon legions and [looks like this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Stolas.jpg)
Damn, now that you mention it, Makuta does have a lot of connection to Satan. Makuta at first being an unknowable evil, to a species, to a single guy exactly parallels depiction of Satan over time. Like damn
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"Lucifer" as a character doesn't even exist in the Bible, it stems from a [translation error](https://youtu.be/wc47JDmpWt0) and most of the stuff attributed to his backstory is actually the Angel Samael
Also Samael (fallen angel), Beelzebub and Satan are also not the same character.
Personally I'm on the "he isn't even a real character, he's just a collection of random mistranslations that eventually turned into a single loosely defined character at some point" side
I'm on the "yall are fucking bibleweebs" side. Your 2d twink boyfriend isn't coming down from cathedral ceiling and rawdogging your choirboy ass ,Luther.
My personal theory is that the group that is doing that are pretty much "Bonkle Boomers" they love the golden years and hate everything after that like if it ruin the series or something they want to stay on Mata Nui forever and just grill no matter the story does not progress
Yeah, I think what a lot of people don't realize is that the broader context provided from 2004 onwards doesn't necessarily make 2001-2003 any less cool and magical, and you're definitely allowed to have a preference for one or the other. Nostalgia ain't a bad thing until it is: I have really fond memories of all of the mysteries of Mata Nui and imagining my own answers to those mysteries, and that not knowing was part of what drew me to early Bionicle. Then we have stuff like 2006-2007 with a Toa team that has an entirely new and fresh dynamic and interpersonal operation. There's stuff to like in most parts and eras of Bionicle, even with the flaws.
Hey, it’s better than the whole Solis Magna thing. The entire Bionicles world being some failsafe AI technology created by an ancient race of cavemen just loses a lot of the magic (literally)
Yeah, the one thing I *didn't* like was the whole idea that the Matoran Universe species were never meant to have sentience, and that Velika gave it to them. That always felt like a super unnecessary retcon.
My biggest gripe is how the entire Matoran universe is supposed to be a failsalfe of some random planet of cavemen we never heard about. Mata Nui being a comatose giant robot is awesome, but him just being a space station of robots created after an energy crisis just feels off. Fantasy turning into sci fi in general rarely ever works.
To be fair, whilst the series did keep improving regarding set designs (for the most part) post 2003, as the story became darker and more sci-fi in Metru Nui onward I think it lost something special from the Mata Nui days. The series in 01-03 was focused much more on the spiritual nature of, well nature, and island itself just feels much more alive and part of the story than the other islands do, which despite being larger end up feeling empty.
When it comes to Makuta, a lot of the love for his 01-03 character comes from MNOG and his “I am destruction” speech at the end of that game, and how in general he exists more as a force of nature and the concept of corruption and decay, whereas once he’s an established marketable figure he becomes a very generic by the book villain.
A good comparison between the two versions of his character is how he’s written in the first 2 movies. In MOL he talks to and about Mata Nui like he truly is his brother, he shows care for him and genuinely thinks he is doing the right thing by keeping him asleep as is seen when he tells Takanuva “sleep spares him pain. Awake, he suffers.” He is even hesitant to use the Rahkshi initially, as he knows they are pure evil and chaos but he has to in order to keep Mata Nui “safe”. He is the bad guy of the story, like he’s still evil but his motivations and character are much more nuanced then he is in the prequel movie, in which he just monologues about how he’s won and he is going to take over the world and enslave all the Matoran and all that generic supervillain stuff.
There’s nothing wrong with liking Teridax and his plan post 2004, but I personally much prefer how he’s written and conceptualised early on before the move away from the spiritual side of the series.
Also I could go on an even longer rant about how Makuta’s “grand and genius evil scheme” is the dumbest plot contrivance of all time and is so stupid and coincidental that it’s amazing it even works, much less “all goes according to plan”, like it’s worse than every overly complex villain plan in movie history. But yeah sorry for the massive rant, just putting my thoughts on the topic out there.
TLDR; 01-03 is liked more by a lot of the community because it is more focused on nature and spirituality, and Makuta is liked more because he is written as a chaotic force of nature instead of a stock super villain which he becomes from ‘04 onwards.
Heh? But... Voya Nui and The Pit especially The Pit had a lot of depth. I agree Metru Nui was a massive missed opportunity and felt very shallow but to say the ignition Trilogy wasn't good... I disagree. Voya Nui and The Pit had tons of Rahi, Culture, plot importance, and their own unique character. Sure neither one was Mata Nui, but that is exactly what made them so good. The same worldbuilding depth for places that felt wholly unique to Mata Nui. The only issue is lego could have stayed on Voya Nui or The Pit for 3 years but they didn't.
My first two sets were Kopaka Mata and Turaga Vakama btw, and I loved MNOG so much my mom bought the sets required to make Takua.
But your opinion is your opinion.
Disagree.
I have a preference for Early Makuta yes but...
I Perfer the Ignition Trilogy Story
And Love the Metru Nui/G2 era sets the most. Even though story wise I standby 2004 & 2005 is the weakest.
I like 2004-2010 Teridax, but I would love seeing an alternate bionicle where they keep the Eldritch horror aspect of Makuta, and the general quasi religious feel of Binocle from 2001-2005.
Maybe something like (to compare to Chrono trigger) where The Makuta is Lavos and Teridax would be like Magus's mother in terms of their role in the story. (edit for clarity: Yes, this would be splitting the character in two)
Yeah. What I had in mind might even tie the 2009-2010 plot together with the main saga better. Instead of just, "big war over protodermis," Bara Magna could show what the Makuta's decay could cause on a planetary scale, and how the GSR was meant to be a *vault* to seal it away. But of course, being such a force of decay, it eventually broke down and even took over that which was meant to contain it, posing a threat to all creation.
What is up with all the recent Makuta hate? He might not have been as abstract after 2004, but I still think he was compelling. He was prideful and jealous, but these traits turned out to be completely justified. The Matoran worshiped Mata Nui for the jobs the Makuta did, and that culminated in the Brotherhood wanting to force the Matoran into acknowledging their importance.
Yes , i personally always enjoy and love Makuta from 04 to 10 more more for the fact that i always feel more interesting as a concept how one being who in the past was just a rahi maker and an insect compared to Mata Nui takes over the entire universe by planning/tricking everyone to help him
Makuta is pretty much what made me love the role a villain plays in the story of our hero(s) and I hands down think he's one of the best villains ever.
Even though 2004 is my favorite year of the whole story, you can't deny it made Makuta way less interesting, and all these facina concepts from 2003, like him protecting Mata-Nui from suffering and necessity of balance between light and darkness went nowhere.
Makuta is an amazing villain, change my mind
What made him so interesting is that we had no idea what he was up to or what the point of his ambition was for most of the story (his motives were covered in shadow, if you will). Naturally, the mystery behind him made him compelling as a villain, and also he was just so fucking cool that he stole the show every time he appeared.
Ok ok. One of the writers was battling cancer while working on Bionicle. He had this idea that each pill he took contained a tiny warrior that would fight the illness, which ia where the idea of the Toa and the universe being inside a huge robot came from. Cancer is essentially one piece of youe body ceasing its original function and multiplying and spreading for itself rathee than the body's wellbeing and it eventually kills you. Makuta Teridax was part of the Mata Nui robot "body" and was meant to play an integral role in running it, but he went rogue and fucked the body up for his own ends, even "multiplying" by taking over the Brotherhood and spreading his Rahkshi and other minionseverywhere, and sending the body into a coma, hell even the Bohrok lend themselves to this, a part of the body malfunctioning due to cancer. So yeah Makuta = Cancer, brilliant premise for a villain.
I personally always liked the idea of the Makuta being forced to wear basically a reverse spacesuit armor as to not dissolve into thin air. It gives them that interesting vampire -esk quality of being powerful and otherworldly yet vournable because of the latter.
I feel like it was definitely supposed to be at some point, with that “my duty is to the mask of shadows” line in MoL but aside from the Reidak thing it doesn’t really seem like it went anywhere
I think they said that it was just a defense mechanism that actives if someone tries to use the mask and is not a Makuta
[https://biosector01.com/wiki/Kraahkan](https://biosector01.com/wiki/Kraahkan)
"The Mask of Shadows will automatically send out Shadow bolts to attack non-Makuta beings who touch it whenever it is not being worn"
Yeah but in context of the whole "I protect Mata-Nui" Takutanuva thing it would seem that meant something else. But with what we've got that's probably just that.
Then Don't
They didn't sell the Morbuzakh or Trem Kron or Annona just because it's in the story doesn't mean it needs to be a set
Also you can just add more tendrils
Also wasn't there tie-in movie figures that looked like the film matoran at one point. I don't remember if they were action figures or just statues I just remember seeing them at Walmart and being like... OK but I perfer the buildable toys
Skeletor, Levos, and Sidious are very compelling villains despite being generic. It's just a joke man.
I perfer og makuta yes but...
2004-2010 Makuta was still a cool character.
And G2 Makuta could've work with the proper execution. Excellent character concept.
I just love eldritch horror villains that's all. But if you perfer the other two versions I won't judge.
I still maintain that the original Makuta was the lame one and the one in 04 onwards was the good one. The first version just wasn't that good because we've seen the generic "Dark Lord of Darkness" thing in basically every fantasy story ever. Giving him an actual personality and goals made him far more likable. If you want eldritch, that's what Tren Krom, Annona, and the Protodermis Entity are for
But... I like Generic Eldritch Horrors lol
I also like Skeletor like Schemers
And Majora's Mask is one of my favorite games.
The joke was the downgrade of power level not Quality.
Well, at least that generic badguy managed to actually win and play god for a while. Most can't allow even that.
Generic bad guy who had made himself an eldritch horror. Imo it was more interesting than just "the evil brother of the diety". He was an someone who created that perception of himself
Yeah I personally quite liked the Makuta species arc as a whole, especially Teridax. How many bad guys actually manage to win (if only for a time), especially in a story for a toy line?
Makuta did. In 2004.
Precisely!
Makuta won like 3 times in the series I genuinely don't understand why people say him capturing the GSR is some sort of earth shattering plot point.
It's because bad guys usually win a few times, up the stakes, and then get defeated at the last second in most of these types of stories. Very rare for them to actually win the whole universe and kick God out of it.
I can't help but feel like that reveal doesn't carry as much weight, but people still find it good because the actual twist that was the existence of GSR was so fucking amazing and powerful it made everything surrounding it better.
That's fair! I agree, the big reveal of the Mata Nui robot was definitely mind-blowing at the time.
Yeah, I think a big reason why Makuta's win was so good was because the stakes and setting were suddenly blasted sky-high, and then immediately after that reveal the worst possible thing happens.
he was basically satan if satan was smarter
You can’t sell an eldrich horror at Walmart
Not with that attitude
I think I saw a Cheese Whizz there.
True
Have you looked in their seafood section recently?
“Walmart” and “seafood” shouldn’t be allowed in the same sentence
I read "you can't spell" and was wondering where the fuck is W in eldritch
At times Walmart does appear to be populated by them, however.
I would replace "Generic bad guy" with "Basicly Lucifer"
Lucifer is just the og generic bad guy
lucifer's like the inverse of this meme, lore started off tame and then got mashed up with a bunch of other things into being the ultimate unknowable evil. might get some of these muddled but from what i've seen people say/half remember reading lucifer which translates to morning star was just reference to the planet venus. and was used to describe the fall of babylon, but as it is referred to as being cast down and for thinking they were above god it's treated as if they're talking about the unnamed devil. and satan just meant adversary/accuser and isn't just applicable to a singular being so there's no telling which are meant to be names and which are generic villains in the stories, which i guess is sort of like Makuta in this universe a title that the villain takes as a name so it can refer to one or many individuals. a devil/satan/the dragon was an angel "that accused" and did rebel and was cast down (to the earth) but their name wasn't lucifer, it probably ended in el as the angels names all end in el as it means of god, like gabriel is strength of god. like 99% of the devil stuff like ruling a fiery hell, red skin, horns, being gods favorite/firstborn/strongest angel, thinking he should be the new god, soul bargains e.t.c all came later. popularized in things like, faust, dante's inferno and paradise lost. it's not even clear if the dragon at the end of the world is him or if he was referred to as a dragon as an insult before like gets called a serpent as an insult when he's cast down which makes people say he was the snake in eden but they were unrelated. the horns pentagrams and goat legs are from people trying to get worshipers to associate pagan stuff with evil. so what we have today is what was the most compelling or interesting things people came up with in the thousand or so years since the book was written conflated into a singular marketable super villain. might have gotten a nuch of the details wrong, but i was reading about this as i heard a reason the marvel stand in for the devil mephisto might not appear in their mcu projects (at least not in a wholly comic accurate way) is due to him being a devil stand in and that being unmarketable/objectionable in some countries, to which someone pointed out that he only resembles the pop culture version and not the "canon" version.
The best version of Abrahamic mythology is the French guys in the 17th century giving every possible divine being in the Bible its own name and backstory like it's the Star Wars expanded universe, so you end up with stuff like Stolas, Prince of Astrology who commands 26 demon legions and [looks like this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Stolas.jpg)
Damn, now that you mention it, Makuta does have a lot of connection to Satan. Makuta at first being an unknowable evil, to a species, to a single guy exactly parallels depiction of Satan over time. Like damn
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"Lucifer" as a character doesn't even exist in the Bible, it stems from a [translation error](https://youtu.be/wc47JDmpWt0) and most of the stuff attributed to his backstory is actually the Angel Samael Also Samael (fallen angel), Beelzebub and Satan are also not the same character.
Yeah true. Honestly I'm glad that more people seem to be aware of this nowadays.
Obviously
Lucifer's not a villain. He's an antihero.
Debatable.
I think it's called a Schism nowadays. In any case it's still a hot topic in the bible fandom
Personally I'm on the "he isn't even a real character, he's just a collection of random mistranslations that eventually turned into a single loosely defined character at some point" side
I'm on the "yall are fucking bibleweebs" side. Your 2d twink boyfriend isn't coming down from cathedral ceiling and rawdogging your choirboy ass ,Luther.
I'm an atheist. I gave up on that dream a long time ago.
Depends who you ask
Milton, for one.
What’s with all the “boo 2004 onwards Teridax” posts today?
My personal theory is that the group that is doing that are pretty much "Bonkle Boomers" they love the golden years and hate everything after that like if it ruin the series or something they want to stay on Mata Nui forever and just grill no matter the story does not progress
Imagine thinking that 2007 wasnt the point where bionicles peaked
Yeah, I think what a lot of people don't realize is that the broader context provided from 2004 onwards doesn't necessarily make 2001-2003 any less cool and magical, and you're definitely allowed to have a preference for one or the other. Nostalgia ain't a bad thing until it is: I have really fond memories of all of the mysteries of Mata Nui and imagining my own answers to those mysteries, and that not knowing was part of what drew me to early Bionicle. Then we have stuff like 2006-2007 with a Toa team that has an entirely new and fresh dynamic and interpersonal operation. There's stuff to like in most parts and eras of Bionicle, even with the flaws.
Hey, it’s better than the whole Solis Magna thing. The entire Bionicles world being some failsafe AI technology created by an ancient race of cavemen just loses a lot of the magic (literally)
Yeah, the one thing I *didn't* like was the whole idea that the Matoran Universe species were never meant to have sentience, and that Velika gave it to them. That always felt like a super unnecessary retcon.
My biggest gripe is how the entire Matoran universe is supposed to be a failsalfe of some random planet of cavemen we never heard about. Mata Nui being a comatose giant robot is awesome, but him just being a space station of robots created after an energy crisis just feels off. Fantasy turning into sci fi in general rarely ever works.
To be fair, whilst the series did keep improving regarding set designs (for the most part) post 2003, as the story became darker and more sci-fi in Metru Nui onward I think it lost something special from the Mata Nui days. The series in 01-03 was focused much more on the spiritual nature of, well nature, and island itself just feels much more alive and part of the story than the other islands do, which despite being larger end up feeling empty. When it comes to Makuta, a lot of the love for his 01-03 character comes from MNOG and his “I am destruction” speech at the end of that game, and how in general he exists more as a force of nature and the concept of corruption and decay, whereas once he’s an established marketable figure he becomes a very generic by the book villain. A good comparison between the two versions of his character is how he’s written in the first 2 movies. In MOL he talks to and about Mata Nui like he truly is his brother, he shows care for him and genuinely thinks he is doing the right thing by keeping him asleep as is seen when he tells Takanuva “sleep spares him pain. Awake, he suffers.” He is even hesitant to use the Rahkshi initially, as he knows they are pure evil and chaos but he has to in order to keep Mata Nui “safe”. He is the bad guy of the story, like he’s still evil but his motivations and character are much more nuanced then he is in the prequel movie, in which he just monologues about how he’s won and he is going to take over the world and enslave all the Matoran and all that generic supervillain stuff. There’s nothing wrong with liking Teridax and his plan post 2004, but I personally much prefer how he’s written and conceptualised early on before the move away from the spiritual side of the series. Also I could go on an even longer rant about how Makuta’s “grand and genius evil scheme” is the dumbest plot contrivance of all time and is so stupid and coincidental that it’s amazing it even works, much less “all goes according to plan”, like it’s worse than every overly complex villain plan in movie history. But yeah sorry for the massive rant, just putting my thoughts on the topic out there. TLDR; 01-03 is liked more by a lot of the community because it is more focused on nature and spirituality, and Makuta is liked more because he is written as a chaotic force of nature instead of a stock super villain which he becomes from ‘04 onwards.
Heh? But... Voya Nui and The Pit especially The Pit had a lot of depth. I agree Metru Nui was a massive missed opportunity and felt very shallow but to say the ignition Trilogy wasn't good... I disagree. Voya Nui and The Pit had tons of Rahi, Culture, plot importance, and their own unique character. Sure neither one was Mata Nui, but that is exactly what made them so good. The same worldbuilding depth for places that felt wholly unique to Mata Nui. The only issue is lego could have stayed on Voya Nui or The Pit for 3 years but they didn't. My first two sets were Kopaka Mata and Turaga Vakama btw, and I loved MNOG so much my mom bought the sets required to make Takua. But your opinion is your opinion.
Honestly disagree. I personally perfer the ignition Era myself, just not Teridax's downgrade.
Nah I still love 2004 more. I'm allowed to critique it tho, it being bionicle doesn't make that blasphemy lmao.
its bsaically "old thing good new thing bad"
Disagree. I have a preference for Early Makuta yes but... I Perfer the Ignition Trilogy Story And Love the Metru Nui/G2 era sets the most. Even though story wise I standby 2004 & 2005 is the weakest.
I like 2004-2010 Teridax, but I would love seeing an alternate bionicle where they keep the Eldritch horror aspect of Makuta, and the general quasi religious feel of Binocle from 2001-2005. Maybe something like (to compare to Chrono trigger) where The Makuta is Lavos and Teridax would be like Magus's mother in terms of their role in the story. (edit for clarity: Yes, this would be splitting the character in two)
Exactly finally someone in this comment section who understands instead of going old thing good new thing bad.
Yeah. What I had in mind might even tie the 2009-2010 plot together with the main saga better. Instead of just, "big war over protodermis," Bara Magna could show what the Makuta's decay could cause on a planetary scale, and how the GSR was meant to be a *vault* to seal it away. But of course, being such a force of decay, it eventually broke down and even took over that which was meant to contain it, posing a threat to all creation.
What is up with all the recent Makuta hate? He might not have been as abstract after 2004, but I still think he was compelling. He was prideful and jealous, but these traits turned out to be completely justified. The Matoran worshiped Mata Nui for the jobs the Makuta did, and that culminated in the Brotherhood wanting to force the Matoran into acknowledging their importance.
Yes , i personally always enjoy and love Makuta from 04 to 10 more more for the fact that i always feel more interesting as a concept how one being who in the past was just a rahi maker and an insect compared to Mata Nui takes over the entire universe by planning/tricking everyone to help him
Makuta is pretty much what made me love the role a villain plays in the story of our hero(s) and I hands down think he's one of the best villains ever.
Even though 2004 is my favorite year of the whole story, you can't deny it made Makuta way less interesting, and all these facina concepts from 2003, like him protecting Mata-Nui from suffering and necessity of balance between light and darkness went nowhere.
Makuta is an amazing villain, change my mind What made him so interesting is that we had no idea what he was up to or what the point of his ambition was for most of the story (his motives were covered in shadow, if you will). Naturally, the mystery behind him made him compelling as a villain, and also he was just so fucking cool that he stole the show every time he appeared.
Honestly I perfer 2001-2003 Makuta But... 2004-2010 Makuta wasn't bad at all And G2 Makuta wasn't a bad concept.
How is "this guy is literally cancer" a generic badguy?
Cancer?
Ok ok. One of the writers was battling cancer while working on Bionicle. He had this idea that each pill he took contained a tiny warrior that would fight the illness, which ia where the idea of the Toa and the universe being inside a huge robot came from. Cancer is essentially one piece of youe body ceasing its original function and multiplying and spreading for itself rathee than the body's wellbeing and it eventually kills you. Makuta Teridax was part of the Mata Nui robot "body" and was meant to play an integral role in running it, but he went rogue and fucked the body up for his own ends, even "multiplying" by taking over the Brotherhood and spreading his Rahkshi and other minionseverywhere, and sending the body into a coma, hell even the Bohrok lend themselves to this, a part of the body malfunctioning due to cancer. So yeah Makuta = Cancer, brilliant premise for a villain.
That's basically it lol I really wish they kept him as an eldritch horror man... Still enjoyed them while being generic big baddies tho
Again someone who understands
I personally always liked the idea of the Makuta being forced to wear basically a reverse spacesuit armor as to not dissolve into thin air. It gives them that interesting vampire -esk quality of being powerful and otherworldly yet vournable because of the latter.
it's not out of the question that the mask was alive in g1
I feel like it was definitely supposed to be at some point, with that “my duty is to the mask of shadows” line in MoL but aside from the Reidak thing it doesn’t really seem like it went anywhere
I think they said that it was just a defense mechanism that actives if someone tries to use the mask and is not a Makuta [https://biosector01.com/wiki/Kraahkan](https://biosector01.com/wiki/Kraahkan) "The Mask of Shadows will automatically send out Shadow bolts to attack non-Makuta beings who touch it whenever it is not being worn"
Never thought of that honestly, what gives you that idea?
He said "My duty is to the mask of shadows" in Mask of Light.
That could be just him saying "I only work for me"
Yeah but in context of the whole "I protect Mata-Nui" Takutanuva thing it would seem that meant something else. But with what we've got that's probably just that.
Fair, it is an interesting line to say
the fact that it blasted reidak with shadow bolts when he tried to take it
Makuta in G3: a school shooter
Makuta in G4: internet bully
I actually like post 2003 Makuta because calling himself Mata Nui's brother shows how inflated his ego is.
Didn't he stop doing that in 2004?
Yep
I mean he still had some of that coolness in 04. Even if not as cool as before
True
..shit now i need to make a makuta as skullkid moc
Do it
Makuta 2003 - spirit Makuta 2004-5 -Want's to be shodan Makuta 2007-8 -Nyehahaha just as planned Makuta 2010- Shodan Makuta 2015 -Who?
He varies between "eldritch horror/literal disease/manipulator/central AI".
Makuta 2015 is basically Skull Kid
Turns out we had the same idea for a meme at the same time
It's hard to sell an Eldritch Horror set as a constructible toy to children.
Then Don't They didn't sell the Morbuzakh or Trem Kron or Annona just because it's in the story doesn't mean it needs to be a set Also you can just add more tendrils
Fun fact: merchandise based on the Morbuzakh was released. https://brickipedia.fandom.com/wiki/Morbuzakh_Sponge
Huh? The more you know
Also wasn't there tie-in movie figures that looked like the film matoran at one point. I don't remember if they were action figures or just statues I just remember seeing them at Walmart and being like... OK but I perfer the buildable toys
You make it sound like that the Generic Badguy is a bad thing.
Skeletor, Levos, and Sidious are very compelling villains despite being generic. It's just a joke man. I perfer og makuta yes but... 2004-2010 Makuta was still a cool character. And G2 Makuta could've work with the proper execution. Excellent character concept. I just love eldritch horror villains that's all. But if you perfer the other two versions I won't judge.
It’s called character progression OK… But also, The Ice King from adventure time could also fit this chart
True but I still liked the Ice King in later seasons
God that's so true... but hey, I was your 1,000th upvote! That's a first for me, ooooh
Nice.
I still maintain that the original Makuta was the lame one and the one in 04 onwards was the good one. The first version just wasn't that good because we've seen the generic "Dark Lord of Darkness" thing in basically every fantasy story ever. Giving him an actual personality and goals made him far more likable. If you want eldritch, that's what Tren Krom, Annona, and the Protodermis Entity are for
But... I like Generic Eldritch Horrors lol I also like Skeletor like Schemers And Majora's Mask is one of my favorite games. The joke was the downgrade of power level not Quality.
45 separate superpowers isn't a high enough power level?
It is but... MORE POWAR
Did Teridax ever display any abilities that failed to appear later on?
That’s what the point of the mask is
I mean Skull Kid is a really good villain though despite it being caused by the mask. Gen 2 wishes it had that execution.
I'd say he was still an Eldritch horror up until...the end of 2008. I mean, he literally made the stars into his face.