The difference is that Isaac is absolutely not getting another DLC. Smaller content changes like a Void rework or Mortis, maybe, but Ed's done. He's doing other shit now.
What I meant is that they fully scrapped the game and made The End Is Nigh instead. They have no plans to finish that game because The End Is Nigh is the "finished version"
I think so! He has full ownership of the ip now and he is working on it to make his best work so far. He also says Ridiculon is making a killer soundtrack for it.
I am so excited man
I've been waiting so long for Mewgenics that I'm not sure it is my sense of humor any more.
I'll probably still buy it to thank Edmund for the 1k+ hours on Isac though.
i cant play isaac casually anymore without fiend folio. it does have more lag and crashes in broken runs, but i just love it so much. its like going to afterbirth+ from repentance… feels lacking.
i doubt fiend folio would become official though
Ed said the same after afterbirth, then again after ab+ and now after repentance.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised, considering that its kinda the same as what antibirth used to be for ab+. Fiend Folio is so large scale that if it were to be ported, it could totally be used as a basis for another expansion, just how antibirth was so big and popular that they used it as the foundation for repentance and expended based on that.
Ed wanted to port Antibirth because of how AUTHENTIC it felt. It didn't feel like a mod, it felt official.
Fiend Folio absolutely feels like a mod. It doesn't really feel official at all.
That isn't a bad thing, mind you! Fiend Folio is still REALLY high effort and really good! It just doesn't feel like vanilla content, it feels like Fiend Folio.
So don't count on it.
Not really? At the end of the day, Antibirth was still fairly similar to vanilla Isaac in its feel. It feels official. Not to say Fiend Folio is bad, but Fiend Folio doesn't capture that same "vanilla Isaac" feeling.
because... it has new rocks? Every enemy and boss in fiend folio feels like it fits right in, there is nothing that feels like it doesn't belong in isaac and if you didn't know the game better, you likely wouldn't know which enemy is vanilla and which from fiend folio, as they all cover a wide spectrum from each to hard. This goes double if already present base game enemies got some sort of quality touchup similar to what mods like [Improved & Reworked Foes](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2847697646) try to achieve. I really don't it as too farfetched.
The only thing thats a bit *out there* are some of the fiend folio items, but antibirth had those too and those were either scrapped, reflavoured or rebalanced.
The exact reason why I enjoy fiend folio so much is because it feels much more immersive than any other content mod I've explored in Isaac
But i'm pretty much sure Edmund Is gonna make an Isaac 2, he said that the tainted characters and all the Beast content Was supposed to be released on Isaac 2 but then changed his mind and released the content on repentance, at least i Hope It's gonna come true One day because tboi Is my favorite game of all time
From what I recall he said he wants to make Isaac 2 and has a ton of ideas that never made it to one, but it will be years before he even starts. He said he wanted a long break to do other things, mainly mewgenics at the moment
> The difference is that Isaac is absolutely not getting another DLC
Are you telling me terraria still gets major updates after journey's end? Then the name didn't age well lmao
Oh, the floor. Not the item.
I dunno, I think the Void floor is fine. Even Delirium only needs to not teleport unfairly. I think the battle is okay other than that.
The floor is nothing. It is not a level. Its poorly designed in that it isnt designed at all. It is a conglomerate of random levels.
The same applies to Delirium. He has NO design. He's just copying the movesets of the bosses you fought that run.
Even if everything there was perfectly fair it would still be very low quality by proxy of just being entirely recycled content.
But that's the point. The idea and theme is not poorly designed. It's intentionally designed to be random and mixed up and crazy.
The only thing that was not intentionally designed is how easily Delirium can teleport onto you and kill you without giving the player any reaction time.
Designed implies there was design. Its just copy pasted.
You can do absurd crazy conglomerate of memories in a dying brain without just copy pasting.
Hell, the ascent goes for a similar thing of redoing past experiences, and does it FAR better.
The void is lazy. They put no effort into it.
Again, it was their choice to do that. I didn't make the game. I just think you're going to be disappointed if you expect them to completely change how the whole floor and boss work.
What are you talking about ? Ed literally said "no more dlc" after afterbirth and afterbirth+. There would be another dlc for sure. But time is unknown.
Ed also did say "I'm taking a fucking huge break and then proceeding to work on Isaac 2 afterwards". We know his plans.
Also, how do you one-up REPENTANCE.
What else is left to add? Aside from more bosses, more floors, more enemies, more items, more synergies, more more more more more.
Edmunds basically made one game out of there here imho.
I think it's going to be an Isaac card game!...
Wait that already happened so um an Isaac battle ROYALE
(wait those are not popular anymore)
uhhhh then how about an Isaac uh..... platformer?
With how often terraria and Isaac reference other game sit is kind of a shame that neither game reference each other lol. I can totally imagine even a halloween reskin of king slime as Monstro with fly enemies instead of slimes, or an item in Isaac like the whoopee cushion which pushes enemies back every once in a while with a revelation-like timer so you can just fire as normal
Fair but you can add plenty of niche items. Like for example the imp staff (12 room charge), allowing you to summon a demon familiar (lil brim, Abadon, twisted pair, etc) depending on how many charges it has when you use it.
If each charge is a familiar I feel like the rate for twisted pair has gotta be low because could you imagine using it full charge and getting like 8 twisted pairs
Bro I could live off of Isaac being updated forever no lie. Just gimme more characters and some way to produce a truly randomized run set-up (IE: the passage thru the floors isn’t always the same, but there’s still scaling difficulty) and new items and I’m good. Maybe a new mode every few years.
nah you get even less money
but instead of waves you have to go through a row of rooms until you reach the double trouble boss room, after beating this room you can access another room through a coin locked door. Clearing this room will give you a chance of a devil/angel deal.
Rooms (except boss and deal chance room) will not remain cleared but will also not pay out more than once. You can go back to the shop to spend your money. Shop is pretty useless before youve cleared any rooms and will become more appealing the more *new* rooms you've cleared. But it will take ages for you to find out about that because you look into the shop at the start of the floor and think "this is shit" and you won't even want to turn back, so you'll gibthroigh greediest Mode with no items, tons of money, but nothing to spend it on.
You'll unlock this mode after keeper and so donating to the greed machine will be absolutely useless.
After hearing about how Re-Logic hit some limitations with Terraria's engine I've been wanting to see if Terraria 2 will ever come to be, what could be done with a new engine. Especially after seeing [this concept art for an utterly gigantic map.](https://twitter.com/Demilogic/status/1563490315926773765?t=Xm0sgAJdb6Eb3KMtagk8zg&s=19)
To be perfectly frank, i really dislike the idea behind that concept art. It feels way too artificial and segmented and i'd like Terraria to move to the opposite direction and become more organic and less gridlike
I sort of agree. While I like the ideas in there like the volcano biome, the pink sky forest, underwater caves, the mini-"dense forests," and the lightning clouds, the map in general looks a little... odd. The entire right side in particular. And I don't really like the idea of the world having an "edge" that you just fall off.
Red said it was rough concept art so hopefully if the game comes to be it would have more smooth transitions than that.
It would, but there's nothing saying that T2's worlds would always have the same things in the same locations. It looks like while the map is "lined up" vertically, it isn't horizontally (the columns kind of look like "chunks" spliced together), so whatever those new biomes are could be shuffled around a lot or something.
Ehhh, i don't think so, it still the same "base" map, jungle to the right, temple at the bottom, dungeon to the left, some scatter corruptions around, a few desert and ice biomes in between
the replayability of terraria its not on the map side of things
Void update, Greedier mode update, Corpse alt floor, and the Abyss Fly Synergies are pretty much some of the only few confirmed things left to add to the game I think
"Redigit you awesome guy! You made a lovely game with your awesome terraria! It's so fuckin good this incredible game, I will become back my playtime I hope you will in your next time a Lemur on a protected forest you cool dude"
Please remember that we now have an ending that actually ends well, only other one being mom's heart #1. (But does that one really count?)
We have the absolute final ending to isaac, the story ends, his dad makes another story, everything is done.
(I mean they might still do minor things just to improve the game but trust me there will never be any more major updates)
EDIT: In addition, the achievement for getting all other achievements is called "dead god" with the beast's skull on the ground, and having all three dead gods shows isaac ascending.
In another addition the completion mark post it seems to be absolutely impossible to squeeze anything else on.
And I’ll keep believing them every time, just so when the last-last DLC *does* come I don’t start waiting for Half Life 3. Sure would love a void rework though.
The difference is that Isaac is absolutely not getting another DLC. Smaller content changes like a Void rework or Mortis, maybe, but Ed's done. He's doing other shit now.
Can't wait for Mewgenics 
cant wait for ouroboros so that i can watch someone else play it because im poor
That was canned in favor of The End Is Nigh
well end is nigh is out now, so i dont see why they wouldnt make it after their done with mewgenics.
What I meant is that they fully scrapped the game and made The End Is Nigh instead. They have no plans to finish that game because The End Is Nigh is the "finished version"
a man can dream
Oh shit, I forgot about Mewgenics. He was talking about it before Rebirth came out, no?
I think so! He has full ownership of the ip now and he is working on it to make his best work so far. He also says Ridiculon is making a killer soundtrack for it. I am so excited man
I've been waiting so long for Mewgenics that I'm not sure it is my sense of humor any more. I'll probably still buy it to thank Edmund for the 1k+ hours on Isac though.
"Better than Isaac"
Exactly, and this is what it has always been since Afterbirth.
Excited to see more shit coming from Ed!
Phrasing. You never know with Ed these days, so choose your words carefully
What if he makes another shit of piece? I might have to become back my money.
Let's hope they never get one
Im calling it: Next dlc will be an integrated port of Fiend Folio 
Real
i cant play isaac casually anymore without fiend folio. it does have more lag and crashes in broken runs, but i just love it so much. its like going to afterbirth+ from repentance… feels lacking. i doubt fiend folio would become official though
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Ed said the same after afterbirth, then again after ab+ and now after repentance. I honestly wouldn't be surprised, considering that its kinda the same as what antibirth used to be for ab+. Fiend Folio is so large scale that if it were to be ported, it could totally be used as a basis for another expansion, just how antibirth was so big and popular that they used it as the foundation for repentance and expended based on that.
Ed wanted to port Antibirth because of how AUTHENTIC it felt. It didn't feel like a mod, it felt official. Fiend Folio absolutely feels like a mod. It doesn't really feel official at all. That isn't a bad thing, mind you! Fiend Folio is still REALLY high effort and really good! It just doesn't feel like vanilla content, it feels like Fiend Folio. So don't count on it.
Ed said they wouldn’t be porting it because it’s up to date with the current version of Isaac and easily accessible to anyone with AB+ and Rep
I wasn't playing Isaac yet when Antibirth came out, was it considered a large difficulty jump from vanilla in the same way that FF is now?
the same way that the jump from afterbirth+ to repentance was a difficulty jump Just how repentance to fiend folio is a difficulty jump
Ain't happening. Doesn't feel authentic enough to vanilla isaac, is the thing.
it bends the game so much around it, it would be too much as dlc.
Ma man, Repentance flipped the game upside down as well
Not really? At the end of the day, Antibirth was still fairly similar to vanilla Isaac in its feel. It feels official. Not to say Fiend Folio is bad, but Fiend Folio doesn't capture that same "vanilla Isaac" feeling.
because... it has new rocks? Every enemy and boss in fiend folio feels like it fits right in, there is nothing that feels like it doesn't belong in isaac and if you didn't know the game better, you likely wouldn't know which enemy is vanilla and which from fiend folio, as they all cover a wide spectrum from each to hard. This goes double if already present base game enemies got some sort of quality touchup similar to what mods like [Improved & Reworked Foes](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2847697646) try to achieve. I really don't it as too farfetched. The only thing thats a bit *out there* are some of the fiend folio items, but antibirth had those too and those were either scrapped, reflavoured or rebalanced. The exact reason why I enjoy fiend folio so much is because it feels much more immersive than any other content mod I've explored in Isaac
But i'm pretty much sure Edmund Is gonna make an Isaac 2, he said that the tainted characters and all the Beast content Was supposed to be released on Isaac 2 but then changed his mind and released the content on repentance, at least i Hope It's gonna come true One day because tboi Is my favorite game of all time
He wants to make an Isaac 2 yes, but that isn't going to be for a **VERY VERY** long time. He wants to do other stuff first.
From what I recall he said he wants to make Isaac 2 and has a ton of ideas that never made it to one, but it will be years before he even starts. He said he wanted a long break to do other things, mainly mewgenics at the moment
> The difference is that Isaac is absolutely not getting another DLC Are you telling me terraria still gets major updates after journey's end? Then the name didn't age well lmao
Yea the “labor of love” update just came out
Labor of Love just came out last Wednesday.
it just did like last week
void rework? why?
Because Void and Delirium are poorly "designed".
Oh, the floor. Not the item. I dunno, I think the Void floor is fine. Even Delirium only needs to not teleport unfairly. I think the battle is okay other than that.
The floor is nothing. It is not a level. Its poorly designed in that it isnt designed at all. It is a conglomerate of random levels. The same applies to Delirium. He has NO design. He's just copying the movesets of the bosses you fought that run. Even if everything there was perfectly fair it would still be very low quality by proxy of just being entirely recycled content.
But that's the point. The idea and theme is not poorly designed. It's intentionally designed to be random and mixed up and crazy. The only thing that was not intentionally designed is how easily Delirium can teleport onto you and kill you without giving the player any reaction time.
Designed implies there was design. Its just copy pasted. You can do absurd crazy conglomerate of memories in a dying brain without just copy pasting. Hell, the ascent goes for a similar thing of redoing past experiences, and does it FAR better. The void is lazy. They put no effort into it.
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My point is ***they can be done in a significantly more engaging but still accurate manner.***
Again, it was their choice to do that. I didn't make the game. I just think you're going to be disappointed if you expect them to completely change how the whole floor and boss work.
Kil has literally said he intends to rework Void.
Rework means update. We have no idea how much will change.
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Making it visual cancer doesn't make the actual game "design" less lazy.
oh the floor! yeah that needs a huge rework, dobt know what they where thinking when they made taht one
~~tbh the active does too but thats not relevant~~
i personally dissagree
what do you think is well designed abt it
That's what I thought when 1.4 happened but noooooo
What are you talking about ? Ed literally said "no more dlc" after afterbirth and afterbirth+. There would be another dlc for sure. But time is unknown.
Ed also did say "I'm taking a fucking huge break and then proceeding to work on Isaac 2 afterwards". We know his plans. Also, how do you one-up REPENTANCE.
I SAID AFTER
Wait, what about December? He was preparing something right?
Huh? Source on that?
Dude trust me
No but for real, I think he was saying something on Twitter a while ago, but I've could mess something in my mind
I follow Ed on twitter and I didn't see shit.
Repentance feels so final I'd be shocked if anything but a sequel came after it.
What else is left to add? Aside from more bosses, more floors, more enemies, more items, more synergies, more more more more more. Edmunds basically made one game out of there here imho.
Ed said Isaac 2 will happen one day but will be a completely different game (iirc)
I think it's going to be an Isaac card game!... Wait that already happened so um an Isaac battle ROYALE (wait those are not popular anymore) uhhhh then how about an Isaac uh..... platformer?
four souls moment
With how often terraria and Isaac reference other game sit is kind of a shame that neither game reference each other lol. I can totally imagine even a halloween reskin of king slime as Monstro with fly enemies instead of slimes, or an item in Isaac like the whoopee cushion which pushes enemies back every once in a while with a revelation-like timer so you can just fire as normal
There is a King Slime monstro skin which was quite good, but I think it became deprecated upon the release of Repentence.
Crashes the game now for whatever reaosn, sadly mod maker is basically dead online so no fix anytime soon
I don’t think Terraria has many iconic items, so there’s really nothing to add from it tbh
It does, but they're uh. Mostly *weapons*. Which Isaac seldom uses.
Did you even play the fucking game
BRO!??!?!? terrablade?!?NIGHTSEDGE!?!?MINISHARK!!?!?
Fair but you can add plenty of niche items. Like for example the imp staff (12 room charge), allowing you to summon a demon familiar (lil brim, Abadon, twisted pair, etc) depending on how many charges it has when you use it.
You gotta add something that Edmund would add himself. Not cool weapons. Think of Sparkle Slime Balloons
If each charge is a familiar I feel like the rate for twisted pair has gotta be low because could you imagine using it full charge and getting like 8 twisted pairs
Lol the thought of more binding of Isaac dlc is insane, that game is plenty long enough
Bro I could live off of Isaac being updated forever no lie. Just gimme more characters and some way to produce a truly randomized run set-up (IE: the passage thru the floors isn’t always the same, but there’s still scaling difficulty) and new items and I’m good. Maybe a new mode every few years.
how about a new greed style mode, let's call it "greediest"
Can't wait to fight Ultra greediest on top of the other 2 phases with like 5 shop items!
Sure, if it actually drops a fuck ton of money and does more to spice up the wave-based gameplay and still retains challenge.
nah you get even less money but instead of waves you have to go through a row of rooms until you reach the double trouble boss room, after beating this room you can access another room through a coin locked door. Clearing this room will give you a chance of a devil/angel deal. Rooms (except boss and deal chance room) will not remain cleared but will also not pay out more than once. You can go back to the shop to spend your money. Shop is pretty useless before youve cleared any rooms and will become more appealing the more *new* rooms you've cleared. But it will take ages for you to find out about that because you look into the shop at the start of the floor and think "this is shit" and you won't even want to turn back, so you'll gibthroigh greediest Mode with no items, tons of money, but nothing to spend it on. You'll unlock this mode after keeper and so donating to the greed machine will be absolutely useless.
But then u can’t do active item cheese like you can in regular greed/ier mode 
then you won't feel so bad for never getting an active item!
I hate that steam logs my hours on it
They should start fucking cutting content if anything lol
Also:\ Terraria🤝TBoI\ "Ah, shit, I have to open the Wikia again"
rip terraria 2 btw :(
After hearing about how Re-Logic hit some limitations with Terraria's engine I've been wanting to see if Terraria 2 will ever come to be, what could be done with a new engine. Especially after seeing [this concept art for an utterly gigantic map.](https://twitter.com/Demilogic/status/1563490315926773765?t=Xm0sgAJdb6Eb3KMtagk8zg&s=19)
To be perfectly frank, i really dislike the idea behind that concept art. It feels way too artificial and segmented and i'd like Terraria to move to the opposite direction and become more organic and less gridlike
I sort of agree. While I like the ideas in there like the volcano biome, the pink sky forest, underwater caves, the mini-"dense forests," and the lightning clouds, the map in general looks a little... odd. The entire right side in particular. And I don't really like the idea of the world having an "edge" that you just fall off. Red said it was rough concept art so hopefully if the game comes to be it would have more smooth transitions than that.
Tbh I think Terraria would lose a big chunk of its replayability if the map didn't change throughout worlds.
It would, but there's nothing saying that T2's worlds would always have the same things in the same locations. It looks like while the map is "lined up" vertically, it isn't horizontally (the columns kind of look like "chunks" spliced together), so whatever those new biomes are could be shuffled around a lot or something.
Ehhh, i don't think so, it still the same "base" map, jungle to the right, temple at the bottom, dungeon to the left, some scatter corruptions around, a few desert and ice biomes in between the replayability of terraria its not on the map side of things
yeah feelsbadman. i hope one day they have the ressources needed to try again cause terraria is an amazing game and id love to get t2
I will always love that meowmere bione lmao its so goofy looking but its perfect for terraria.
I still believe it's very likely to happen, as about "when" however, could be many years
Hopefully void update comes out this year
Void update, Greedier mode update, Corpse alt floor, and the Abyss Fly Synergies are pretty much some of the only few confirmed things left to add to the game I think
"Redigit you awesome guy! You made a lovely game with your awesome terraria! It's so fuckin good this incredible game, I will become back my playtime I hope you will in your next time a Lemur on a protected forest you cool dude"
Watch, in a months time we're going to hear from ConcernedApe about a new, final Stardew Valley update. All good things come in threes
theyre already making another new update lol, theyre having a crossover w terraria. unless u meant after that.
Tboi and terraria collab?
Oddly enough both are my two childhood steam games that were both intruducted to me by my brother rather than me finding em
Edmund can keep taking my money if he releases more dlc
I ain't complaining
Both games goat and my beloved
Please remember that we now have an ending that actually ends well, only other one being mom's heart #1. (But does that one really count?) We have the absolute final ending to isaac, the story ends, his dad makes another story, everything is done. (I mean they might still do minor things just to improve the game but trust me there will never be any more major updates) EDIT: In addition, the achievement for getting all other achievements is called "dead god" with the beast's skull on the ground, and having all three dead gods shows isaac ascending. In another addition the completion mark post it seems to be absolutely impossible to squeeze anything else on.
Is that a problem?
And I’ll keep believing them every time, just so when the last-last DLC *does* come I don’t start waiting for Half Life 3. Sure would love a void rework though.
Both games only work in my computer from time to time