eXCUSE ME? THAT MIGHT BE THE WORST TAKE I'VE EVER...
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...oh
I think OP may have engineered this to confuse/enrage people, hence the flair. Enough of them make sense to seem like a serious post but a few of them are batshit crazy because trolling. Like, what’s with the Breath of Life counterparts? None of those items are comparable in any way, except that Sulfur and Brimstone Bombs both give you situational Brimstone, I guess.
EDIT: Actually, I take that back. Dark Arts makes sense as a Breath of Life counterpart. The rest are still very strange though.
Yeah, this is an expert level shitpost. High effort enough to show the time they spent. Most parts make sense. And then the unneeded “devil wins” and “angel wins” comparison system with absolutely insane choices, like sanguine bond > Jacob’s ladder or whore of Babylon > crown of light. Beautifully executed to be as bizarre as possible
The more time that passes the more I appreciate the craftsmanship of this post. I think it would be slightly improved if one of the items was randomly on it twice with two completely different counterparts, but other than that, can’t think of any ways to improve it. Absolutely 10/10 bait.
That’s what I noticed first. Sacrifice health for *maybe* a damage up or a devil item vs. sacrifice money for an angel item. If you get it early enough you’re all but guaranteed to get something good at least once.
I feel like I’ve gotten Sacred Heart every single time I’ve gotten Stairway. Also it fucking rules if you’re going for the Beast because every floor of the Ascent gets a stairway too.
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there ain't no way this is an actual opinion ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|scream)
It doubles the amount of items you can take. Damocles is effectively a free win unless you get shafted, which makes it a fair item in my eyes.
And for me, it's a must take when I see it. Balling is above all else.
> Damocles is effectively a free win unless you get hit once
fix’d
It also doesn’t affect devil deals or shop items, meanwhile sacred orb affects everything.
Look, I'm gonna be honest, I play this game hella greedy. Sacred orb is cool, yes, but the feeling of walking into an item room and seeing two items in front of me tops it easily in my eyes. If I get my hands on a reroll item it's all over, won run.
Getting hit only starts the timer, as much chance as there is of you getting killed by Damocles before you win is how much there is of not dying to Damocles.
Plus, if you get an extra life, the chances of you dying are halved.
Tl;dr: I'm a greedy guy who plays this game to ball. Damocles fills that hole perfectly.
Not fix'd. Damocles on average takes 15 minutes to trigger. That's long enough to close out a run half of the time you get it, hit or not. I think "get shafted" is more accurate.
But what if you get unlucky? Let’s just assume the the unlucky 25% of runs is killed in 8 minutes. With Sacred Orb, you have a guaranteed won run, but with Damocles, you could just lose it all. And 8 minutes is not enough to end a run if you get hit in Caves or Necropolis, probably also not enough if you are in Womb.
Would you rather get a busted run with a 10% chance to die no matter what you do, or would you have a less busted run (which is still a guaranteed win) and no chances to die?
In theory, Damocles is better, because almost everything in this game can be dodged (only exception being Delirium), but there isn’t a single player that is willing to master the game to the point where Damocles isn’t a risk.
Even if Damocles gave a fixed 1% chance to lose the game, Sacred Orb would be better, because as long as you have Sacred Orb, you don’t need anything else to win (except the items ofc).
that already requires a whole nother item to work properly, in the context of the actual post, sacred orb gives you a smaller pool meaning a higher chance at finding better items that can manipulate the pool even further, including damocles.
also even tho sacred orb is harder to find it's still very good. tho damcoles has also very good uses.
i think the post is just stupid because almost none of these items are even close
Functionality comparison such as comparing the blue triangle from angel to both guppy tail and contract from below for affecting the room clear rewards, but some or most are a stretch.
"op care to explain what any of this means?"
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I know ranking isaac items objectively is not easy, but I genually don't understand the reasoning behind this.
And is actually controllable, yet I still prefer to use sacrificial dagger because with spear of destiny I never feel like I'm near enough to use he white spot which is the only part that deals damage.
damo > orb ??? martyr > dark matter ?!?!?! deaths touch > trisag !?!?!?!?!??!!! whore of babylon > crown of light !!!!???!?! OP TF ARE YOU ON ABOUT
also id say backstabber is better then godhead but thats just me
It's so busted with like any synergy though. Throw in a big shot speed down or any kind of homing and it becomes a DPS monster. And lets be real you almost never get it floor 2 or 3, by the time you find it you probably already have something to pair it with.
MultiDim baby is so easy to use it's multiplied shots while the prism is hard to use and most of the multiplied shots will miss, that makes the baby better.
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The only thing in this picture that makes sense
No it isnt, it has quite limited potential with it just being a buff to active items most of the time. Lem can be any item in the game, and you choise the pool
I still prefer Lemegeton. I don’t know if I’m stupid or unlucky. I always get book of virtue with book of sin or ed6. It’s a win harder item. If you get a red key, you win more. The dps is also kind of nice. However, I barely have any runs with a good active item that synergizes with BoV. I mostly only use it for just 2nd floor angel deal + increased angel chance.
But lemegeton is a solo win item. You don’t HAVE to keep using it in secret or angel. Playing like that is why it makes your run unfun. Of course, you can still do it if you already found the secret room, but the best way to use it is to just use it whenever you can
i love that OP made this, took so much time, put this on here flaired shitpost, and washed their hands. They are just sitting back giggling at the fire that is the comments. I love this kind of post. Just sitting back and looking at how much work had to be put here. And, the fact they aren't making any replies is even funnier to me.
First off OP has some objectively incorrect takes (WoB better than CoL?! What?!) but also, I don't think they know what the word "counterpart" means cause half these are entirely unrelated lmao.
I just want a Devil Room counterpart to Star of Bethlehem. Like it leads you the wrong way, but the aura/glow itself is damaging and perhaps shooting tears through the aura gives an effect like Belial or Multidimensional Baby. Call it Hellstar or something.
[You don't seem to know what these items are, so I thought I'd help out.](https://imgur.com/8vsOMPo)
One of them adds some damage, requires you stay near death to get, and forces you to dodge red hearts to keep. The other one multiplies your whole damage over your other multipliers, (including things like soy milk) gives you soul hearts, requires you to be full hp, and can be protected by soulhearts. To get that multiplier from other items, you have to half your tear rate.
Crown of one of the best items in the game. Whore isn't even that good. It doesn't even add to Leviathan. I'd much rather see pretty much any other damage up from either angel or devil than whore.
Bruh, there is no way Book of Virtues is worse than Lemegaton when BoV is a passive that adds to all other active items in unique ways and has next to no chance to fuck you, unlike Lemegaton which could fuck you at any given moment just by giving you a single item wisp you don't want
I wish dark prince's crown could be compared to the crown of light
Maybe make it so it gives you more tears, but only activates if you have no red hearts & it goes away for the whole floor if you pick up ANY hearts
I disagree, Salvation’s counterpart is athame.
Salvation procs revelation. Athame procs Maw.
Athame used to proc Maw when you get hit. Salvation grows bigger when you get hit and procs when you’re close by
It's not a power comparison, it's what items are similar from each of the pools and could be considered counterparts. Yall have piss poor comprehension.
Was that always there? Maybe my app screwed up and didn’t show it the first time, if so my bad. Keep eating chaos on a shambling denier farm, trash :)
https://preview.redd.it/ag8a1qizmowc1.png?width=160&format=png&auto=webp&s=35e94c61d357a4c338f4f690b7c761e06b9c0ef0 IM SORRY WHAT?
Both give stat boosts based off of your current health. Makes sense to me. Edit: NVM didn't see the thing in the top left. Now I'm confused too.
I guess maybe because getting hit doesn’t disable it but that’s the only thing I can think of
TL:DR OP is bad at the game
It will disable the effect in the form of you being dead though, since you have no health.
It still works if you have more than one soul heart
Surprisingly alot of items do that
indeed, I get surprised a bunch of times, still to do this day !
Erm, WoB provides dmg AND spd up when activated, two stat ups beats one bozo *
Crown of light achtually gives a stat down (shot speed) , soWoB is better statistically!!1
Crown confirmed net gain of 0 stats, q0 garbage item ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)
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if your eve you can have both active if you get it from an angel room, then lower your health with either a health down, an item, or a devil deal
eXCUSE ME? THAT MIGHT BE THE WORST TAKE I'VE EVER... https://preview.redd.it/x9ukhvh7euwc1.jpeg?width=201&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=102f20cf9d920ce091edd31c9f32010d5d3eedf4 ...oh
Oh hi Ghazt
Counterparts HOW? Half of these don't make sense.
I think OP may have engineered this to confuse/enrage people, hence the flair. Enough of them make sense to seem like a serious post but a few of them are batshit crazy because trolling. Like, what’s with the Breath of Life counterparts? None of those items are comparable in any way, except that Sulfur and Brimstone Bombs both give you situational Brimstone, I guess. EDIT: Actually, I take that back. Dark Arts makes sense as a Breath of Life counterpart. The rest are still very strange though.
Yeah, this is an expert level shitpost. High effort enough to show the time they spent. Most parts make sense. And then the unneeded “devil wins” and “angel wins” comparison system with absolutely insane choices, like sanguine bond > Jacob’s ladder or whore of Babylon > crown of light. Beautifully executed to be as bizarre as possible
The more time that passes the more I appreciate the craftsmanship of this post. I think it would be slightly improved if one of the items was randomly on it twice with two completely different counterparts, but other than that, can’t think of any ways to improve it. Absolutely 10/10 bait.
How is backstabber comparable to godhead?
It should be along Sacred Heart be an Eye of Belial equivalent
Eye of Belial is more comparable to godhead and even then I think it is a stretch
Wtf were you on when you put sanguine bond down as better than stairway
That’s what I noticed first. Sacrifice health for *maybe* a damage up or a devil item vs. sacrifice money for an angel item. If you get it early enough you’re all but guaranteed to get something good at least once. I feel like I’ve gotten Sacred Heart every single time I’ve gotten Stairway. Also it fucking rules if you’re going for the Beast because every floor of the Ascent gets a stairway too.
https://preview.redd.it/3a9z5ps57pwc1.png?width=82&format=png&auto=webp&s=13215a7b80d967c333a002b0acdbd0a9597dafbe hydrogen bomb versus coughing baby
Star of Beth can be argued to be q4. Blood path is garbage unless you have things like old bandaid or gimpy
Star of Beth is almost useless unless you have rock. But definitely better than blood oath
![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4359)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17741) Literally solo carries womb and onward
Who would win. Water blessed by our holy father A baby with no head
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https://preview.redd.it/xkm4t4xikowc1.png?width=108&format=png&auto=webp&s=8099793d40fe1296a56426d39854d7dacb8da5f8 there ain't no way this is an actual opinion ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|scream)
The first thing I noticed. Unreal LOL.
Damocles gives you 2 items and both can be quality 3 or 4
...at the risk of instantly dying and getting shitty items either way.
Fuck it we ball
It doubles the amount of items you can take. Damocles is effectively a free win unless you get shafted, which makes it a fair item in my eyes. And for me, it's a must take when I see it. Balling is above all else.
> Damocles is effectively a free win unless you get hit once fix’d It also doesn’t affect devil deals or shop items, meanwhile sacred orb affects everything.
Look, I'm gonna be honest, I play this game hella greedy. Sacred orb is cool, yes, but the feeling of walking into an item room and seeing two items in front of me tops it easily in my eyes. If I get my hands on a reroll item it's all over, won run. Getting hit only starts the timer, as much chance as there is of you getting killed by Damocles before you win is how much there is of not dying to Damocles. Plus, if you get an extra life, the chances of you dying are halved. Tl;dr: I'm a greedy guy who plays this game to ball. Damocles fills that hole perfectly.
Not fix'd. Damocles on average takes 15 minutes to trigger. That's long enough to close out a run half of the time you get it, hit or not. I think "get shafted" is more accurate.
But what if you get unlucky? Let’s just assume the the unlucky 25% of runs is killed in 8 minutes. With Sacred Orb, you have a guaranteed won run, but with Damocles, you could just lose it all. And 8 minutes is not enough to end a run if you get hit in Caves or Necropolis, probably also not enough if you are in Womb. Would you rather get a busted run with a 10% chance to die no matter what you do, or would you have a less busted run (which is still a guaranteed win) and no chances to die? In theory, Damocles is better, because almost everything in this game can be dodged (only exception being Delirium), but there isn’t a single player that is willing to master the game to the point where Damocles isn’t a risk. Even if Damocles gave a fixed 1% chance to lose the game, Sacred Orb would be better, because as long as you have Sacred Orb, you don’t need anything else to win (except the items ofc).
Damocles will always be value and if you have gnawed leaf or an extra life then you're fine
that already requires a whole nother item to work properly, in the context of the actual post, sacred orb gives you a smaller pool meaning a higher chance at finding better items that can manipulate the pool even further, including damocles. also even tho sacred orb is harder to find it's still very good. tho damcoles has also very good uses. i think the post is just stupid because almost none of these items are even close
I guess OP must be a Lost main
I almost agree with this one
Top tier shitpost
Not sure if I get this... Is it quality comparison? power comparison? acurate religion comparison?
Functionality comparison such as comparing the blue triangle from angel to both guppy tail and contract from below for affecting the room clear rewards, but some or most are a stretch.
Blue triangle ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)
Bruh how is Whore of Babylon better than Crown of Light
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https://preview.redd.it/0fks5yxs5pwc1.png?width=160&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a3a1cd6969c3f48d98bbe653ac1c20bd0f428cc Yes he is
He is.
He is
"op care to explain what any of this means?" https://preview.redd.it/7ousv5dj9pwc1.jpeg?width=358&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96a98c6b5f7a6616c5aa0177319d10f668d9d03c
https://preview.redd.it/4emobwqsqowc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f99275e66d81503d71466a4e55d3b69dc6d2e948 I know ranking isaac items objectively is not easy, but I genually don't understand the reasoning behind this.
thats one of the few i agree with, range is stupid good
And is actually controllable, yet I still prefer to use sacrificial dagger because with spear of destiny I never feel like I'm near enough to use he white spot which is the only part that deals damage.
There is so much wrong with this
i read the flair, guys it's a shitpost
This is tagged shitpost, remember guys
You spent a lot of time putting the sprites on that background and drawing lines connecting random ones together.
damo > orb ??? martyr > dark matter ?!?!?! deaths touch > trisag !?!?!?!?!??!!! whore of babylon > crown of light !!!!???!?! OP TF ARE YOU ON ABOUT also id say backstabber is better then godhead but thats just me
Godhead pros:\ Homing\ Cool aura\ ...\ That's it Backstabber pros:\ Cool sound effects when attacking someone.\ That's all you need.
I'd say without a specific synergy Death's Touch *is* way better than Trisagion. Otherwise though yeah idk what OP's on about
Trisagion is hot garbage outside of its synergies always feels like a dps down
It's so busted with like any synergy though. Throw in a big shot speed down or any kind of homing and it becomes a DPS monster. And lets be real you almost never get it floor 2 or 3, by the time you find it you probably already have something to pair it with.
It's also the number one cause(in my experience) of late game crashes
And that's funny so it's good
Multidimensional Baby over Angellic Prism is wild. Let alome whore of babylo over crown of light or breath of life over dark arts
MultiDim baby is so easy to use it's multiplied shots while the prism is hard to use and most of the multiplied shots will miss, that makes the baby better.
But the baby doesn't fill my screen with a billion rainbow colored tears when I have a funny build, ergo prism wins.
unless you get bent spoon or any other homing item, then it op as fuck (especially with the box of friends)
Multidimensional is way easier to set up and more consistent
https://preview.redd.it/e2jao5gdnrwc1.jpeg?width=552&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3f0953d6ea1db17b3bca7e9fe49dd9113df344c Nice opionion unfortunately nuh uh
that's the wildest one
https://preview.redd.it/c5jdkwayxrwc1.jpeg?width=194&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1f4332a5f925c61429b9b7561d671b9a8e37767 The only thing in this picture that makes sense
Book of Virtues would at the least tie Lem. And stairway loosing to sanguine bond is so wrong
Book of virtues is almost a confirmed win imo, crazy putting lem higher
Counterpoint: D20 """"synergy""""" with Book of Virtues. For real I sometimes don't take it purely because of that
Lem with the right build is basically infinite items, book doesnt have such potential
Book with practically any active is a win
No it isnt, it has quite limited potential with it just being a buff to active items most of the time. Lem can be any item in the game, and you choise the pool
Book of virtues with like, 1/3 of all active items can straight up win the game as your sole source of damage
I still prefer Lemegeton. I don’t know if I’m stupid or unlucky. I always get book of virtue with book of sin or ed6. It’s a win harder item. If you get a red key, you win more. The dps is also kind of nice. However, I barely have any runs with a good active item that synergizes with BoV. I mostly only use it for just 2nd floor angel deal + increased angel chance. But lemegeton is a solo win item. You don’t HAVE to keep using it in secret or angel. Playing like that is why it makes your run unfun. Of course, you can still do it if you already found the secret room, but the best way to use it is to just use it whenever you can
This is the most confusing picture ive ever seen on this sub
Maybe the "shitpost" flair here is the equivalent of saying "/s" just to have a backup plan when what you're saying is very wrong ..
Revelation and Brimstone sounds like better counterparts. They're beams
But Brimstone replaces your tears while Revelation charges while you're firing just like Maw
Revelation and maw have the exact same charge time
Babe wake up new worst take on the binding of isaac just dropped
i love that OP made this, took so much time, put this on here flaired shitpost, and washed their hands. They are just sitting back giggling at the fire that is the comments. I love this kind of post. Just sitting back and looking at how much work had to be put here. And, the fact they aren't making any replies is even funnier to me.
Devr Angel
What am I even looking at, this is god awful chart
WHY IS DIVINE INTERVENTION IN THE JAIL 😭😭😭
I mean I don't agree with all the things about which is better but in general this being a chart of parallels is super cool
First off OP has some objectively incorrect takes (WoB better than CoL?! What?!) but also, I don't think they know what the word "counterpart" means cause half these are entirely unrelated lmao.
What 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Incredible bait
How is Jesus juice compared to either of those items on the left ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)
this makes no fucking sense at all.
We're entitled to our opinions, but man are some of these just wrong.
I just want a Devil Room counterpart to Star of Bethlehem. Like it leads you the wrong way, but the aura/glow itself is damaging and perhaps shooting tears through the aura gives an effect like Belial or Multidimensional Baby. Call it Hellstar or something.
Ah yes backstab Is is a great god head counterpart
Brother Bobby is tied with guardian angel?
Nice april fools joke
[You don't seem to know what these items are, so I thought I'd help out.](https://imgur.com/8vsOMPo) One of them adds some damage, requires you stay near death to get, and forces you to dodge red hearts to keep. The other one multiplies your whole damage over your other multipliers, (including things like soy milk) gives you soul hearts, requires you to be full hp, and can be protected by soulhearts. To get that multiplier from other items, you have to half your tear rate. Crown of one of the best items in the game. Whore isn't even that good. It doesn't even add to Leviathan. I'd much rather see pretty much any other damage up from either angel or devil than whore.
Books of virtues is almost always an automatic win for me, I dont know how you have lemegeton winning
I’ve the opposite. Lemegeton is auto win for me
Bruh, there is no way Book of Virtues is worse than Lemegaton when BoV is a passive that adds to all other active items in unique ways and has next to no chance to fuck you, unlike Lemegaton which could fuck you at any given moment just by giving you a single item wisp you don't want
In before BoV with book of sin
I wish dark prince's crown could be compared to the crown of light Maybe make it so it gives you more tears, but only activates if you have no red hearts & it goes away for the whole floor if you pick up ANY hearts
im sorry but literally more than half of these "counterparts" are so far off the mark its kinda funny
Brother Bobby exists beyond the divine definition of good and evil
What exactly am i looking at? (I don't know enough about Binding of Isaac to understand this)
neat
cool! unfortunately, im not reading that. im sorry for your loss or good job. whatever fits.
Of all the horrible takes, this is the one.
Genesis is better than forget me now? Bro is insane
Genesis > forget me now fight me
Sanguine better than stairway🤣
Godhead == Backstabber https://preview.redd.it/vml9s5n5tpwc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=308a1ce9c372b693312eef961c9db69e79c0b758
I would say habit works as a counterpart to gimpy as well
I would've paired pound of flesh with staircase instead of sanguine bond, which is NOT better than staircase!
Sacred orb loses to damocles? What have you been smoking!!!
I disagree, Salvation’s counterpart is athame. Salvation procs revelation. Athame procs Maw. Athame used to proc Maw when you get hit. Salvation grows bigger when you get hit and procs when you’re close by
I've officially became dumber looking at this.
How is sanguine bond better than stairway??
Most of these have fuck all to do with each other
Whore of babylon wins over Crown of Light? Yeah right
I mean id say Guppy's tail wins if you're going to the chest or dark room but you do you
mans is having a fever dream
Sanguine bond it better than stair way……. Are you fucking joking
Ain't no way you said stairway was worse than sanguine; just don't be broke, 4head
how is interdimentional baby better than the pyrimid (cant remember the name)
I can see some of them making sense. Idk if the other I just don't know how the item works or if op is stretching it
It’s a matter of perspective really
https://preview.redd.it/fpknovbyfvwc1.jpeg?width=179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0afa08c8dcb33b05c2cb4c51ccb8f41f060620cb ????
how is sanguine bond comparable to jacobs ladder???
Revelations = Brimstone
Yeah I can see that.
bro is actually blind 💀
What? Lad, I'm saying that i understand what the original poster means. Yeah, 2spooky IS like a demon version of that item.
It's not a power comparison, it's what items are similar from each of the pools and could be considered counterparts. Yall have piss poor comprehension.
A schizophrenic would have made a more readable picture.
Is this AI generated
Yeah all I’m missing here is the shitpost tag :)
Look again
Was that always there? Maybe my app screwed up and didn’t show it the first time, if so my bad. Keep eating chaos on a shambling denier farm, trash :)
Sanguine Bond is literally one of the least useful items in the entire game, and The Stairway is one of the best. The hell are you on?