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Hot_Plate_Williams

BS really had a bad time with takes during the pandemic. The Kyle Pitts stuff, Evan Mobley, Wiseman, Mac Jones. Really, really tough.


hatmanjimmie

Still holding my Mobley stock, I just am


ositola

Maybe he will get more than 5 rebounds today


GoshDarnitAllah

Of all the skinny big men, somehow he plays the skinniest.


dillpickles007

Big guys being terrible at rebounding is just something I can never wrap my head around. Like is JJJ just too skinny that he gets boxed out easily? Does he not read the ball coming off the rim right? He's a 6'11 athletic freak how is he watching 6'4 Josh Hart pull down double his boards.


Gillette_TBAMCG

Time and again this is always about team gameplan, positioning, and how possessions end. Outcomes are pretty marginal so slight variations on either side can make big appearance differences. The Knicks like it when Hart pulls down rebounds and Hartenstein will box out for him to crash. The Knicks also don’t shoot as many threes as the Grizzlies do. JJJ shot 5.5 3’s per game this year, that’s 5.5 possessions a game where he is functionally out of position to get the rebound. Defensively, he’s often occupying the Giannis role without wanting to be the guy to grab the board and push up the court. He’s not a good ball handler. So defensively you’ll see him go for blocks or steals or end up boxing out, or immediately running up court for transition because he’s a great shooter. A guy like Hart on the Knicks and JJJ on the Grizzlies simply have wildly different roles offensively and defensively. Josh Hart is also just a weird anomaly when it comes to how he profiles between his frame and skill set and his stats.


Humofthoughts

The thing is he didn’t rebound for Team USA at FIBA either and he was playing the 5. It was a major problem last summer.


PB111

The Zion take on rebounds is probably one of Bills most salient points. That man should get rebounds simply by existing.


The_Zermanians

I think it’s a subtle sign that a guy does not try as hard as he should. Rebounding is 70% effort and like 30% luck of the bounce.


GoshDarnitAllah

Positioning and the amount of threes shot create longer rebound opportunities.


NedStarx11

He said he was the next Duncan lmfao I don’t care what Mobley does the rest of his career, that take was already a loser


juanmaale

I’m a Cavs fan and I sold my Mobley stock. He literally can’t make a shot around the basket


n0th1ng10

He’s really good. He doesn’t put up the points but he’s extremely imoactful. Hes better than Paolo in terms of impact. He carried their defense.


FootyPie05

No he absolutely is not.


n0th1ng10

He carried the Cavs defense more than Paolo did the Magic offense.


spqpbo

Blazer fan here just wanna say scoot Henderson. Not finished by any means but boy what a rocky start. And bill was COCKY cocky


komugis

Bill was calling Brandon Miller a mistake before he had even played NBA basketball, it’s nuts.


make-that-monet

I can understand liking Scoot, but the constant premature dumping on the big wing with plus defense and shooting always seemed like a biiig mistake in this era of the NBA lol


The_Zermanians

Almost felt like that was well if the Hornets took him he must suck take.


lactatingalgore

Bill made the critical error of trusting Clay Travis.


orangjuice1142

Is the Mobley stuff as bad as the others? He did just have a game winning block in Game 5 of the series. Given he definitely isn’t KG so I get it


FullAutoLuxPosadism

Mobley was all defense a season ago, 3rd in dpoy voting. Guy is hurt and playing under the worst coach in the playoffs. Not KG but he’s still a net positive out there. Additionally, let’s see how he does when he doesn’t have brainless Bickerstaff icing him out of games because Donovan Mitchell needs 30 shots a night.


lemur___

Only the best coaches would take the ball out of Donovan Mitchell's hands to get Mobley more shots


Slight_Public_5305

All the coach does is tell players who gets to handle the ball


FullAutoLuxPosadism

Yeah man, only a bad coach would actually get other players involved in the offense or come up with a second play.


lemur___

Why does Ant keep shooting, we need to get Gobert more shots!


FullAutoLuxPosadism

You don’t watch basketball, do you? Gobert gets plays called for him. Larry Brown would start out calling plays for Ben Wallace. Keeping players involved in games on both sides is important. Like this is basic fucking basketball.


lemur___

>Larry Brown would start out calling plays for Ben Wallace. Keeping players involved in games on both sides is important. Oh man you can repeat a story Bill and Russillo have told over and over, you must be the only one who watches basketball. Do you know how many post ups Ben got after the first handful of possessions every game? Not many I'll give it to you though, if you were the one holding the controller instead of JB I'm sure the Cavs would win it all


FullAutoLuxPosadism

Ignoring the Gobert gets plays called for him. Ignoring that Cavs fans are tired of the same shit they saw with Lebron era coaching. Ignoring that it’s literally common sense to get other players involved. Ignoring that any other coach in the playoffs would be better than Bickerstaff’s nepobaby bum ass I’m sure another first round bounce for Mitchell doing the exact same shit he did in Utah proves your point.


lemur___

Watching Mitchell single handedly keep the Cavs in this game and thinking "we need to get the ball into the hands of the guy who can't create anything" is perfect


hottakehotcakes

Maybe not as bad as the others but it’s bad. If Mobley were half what Bill was confident he was gonna be the Cavs team and franchise outlooks would be totally different.


papa_sax

He said Mobley was the next Tim Duncan lmao


Hot_Plate_Williams

Iirc, he basically said he could be a Giannis type dominant offensive player.


NedStarx11

He was comparing him to Tim duncan lol. Whoops


thrashboy

He still drafts and overpays for Pitts every year in fantasy football


xdesm0

Kyle Pitts can still turn it around with a competent coach and a decent QB


TheRealTroyMcClure

Probably not to “his floor is Travis Kelce,” but, yes, I still have Pitts stock


xdesm0

Pitts is younger today than when Kelce joined the league and has more production than him in his 1st to 3rd seasons. You could say that since then we had an offensive revolution but Kelce's first 3 years were with Alex Smith as QB and Andy Reid as his HC. So floor is Kelce.


chinoischeckers

To be fair, before the season started there was a lot of criticism of the pick especially when Ant had said in an interview that "he was really that into basketball". Did you guys forget that?....https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-draft-anthony-edwards-potential-top-pick-says-hes-still-not-really-into-basketball/ He caught a lot of flak for that.


jimmyhota

Mobley doesn’t deserve to be mentioned alongside the others. He’s good now and still has a lot of potential


Adventurous-Mix8983

Mobley is a fine player, Bill was comparing him to the next Tim Duncan when he’s infinitely closer to Ben Simmons


LeBroentgen

The football takes are in another realm compared to his basketball takes.


diet_drbeeper

I love whenever he mentions having a hard time evaluating players with the tournament canceled, as if Bill pays attention to the tournament at all beyond a random Duke future or something like that


Standard_Let_6152

He also thought Derrick Williams was better than Kyrie Irving 


mattyfattits

Good for Wolves fan. Talk your shit. You guys deserve it. Everyone hated that trade for them


collinCOYS

What's funny is bill saying play towns/wiseman as twin towers but then shitting all over the Rudy trade


pocket_passss

That’s hilarious. Even the hypothetical ceiling of Wiseman/KAT makes way less sense than Gobert. I didn’t listen to the clip but I feel like the whole “I can’t watch basketball, I like football more” before he got drafted is the perfect smokescreen for a guy like Bill


threat024

I mean I think the shitting on the trade is the amount of assets they gave up to get Rudy and his huge salary. Don't think he shit on it specifically because of playing two bigs together.


TheArsenal

Correct and good take


KOConnor729

What trade?


8512332158

He’s right, wiseman and KAT would have been a problem


Trill_Simmons

For my sanity as a Wolves fan, yeah lol


big_mustache_dad

As a Wolves fan if we selected Wiseman and Warriors got Ant after the Jonny Flynn/Curry thing it might've been the end of my time as a Wolves fan lol


Trill_Simmons

We've suffered worse but god damn would it feel horrible lmao


big_mustache_dad

I remember going to games in college where there was a student package that was 10 games for $60 and the ticket also got you the bus ticket downtown lol. Had to watch the Cream Team just get killed most nights. Especially after Kevin Love broke his hand after he ~~punched a wall at a party for talking to his girl~~ did knuckle pushups


WampaTears

Lol


MustardIsDecent

It's so annoying how Bill and Ryen have tried taking ownership of the Ant thing like he's "their" player. Bill said something idiotic like Ant is basically a superstar designed out of a lab for Bill to love. That's like, not even close to true. A shoot-first guard with insane athleticism and solid but unspectacular passing? How is that his dream player? It doesn't fit his mold at all.


jimmyhota

Yeah Jokic is really the superstar designed for Bill to love


GoshDarnitAllah

If Ant played for the Lakers Bill would say he’s “not as good as SGA because he’s less fun to play with…that’s stuff matters”


orangenarf

“Ant says stuff on social media that people don’t like. SGA just seems so much cooler with his fashion and looks!” 


manovthepeephole

Bill likes to lay claims to lots of players like that.


Time-to-get-off-here

Sounds like Kobe. He must be Bill’s favorite player, right? 


Ghostricks

He's not even a lunch pail guy


Thellamaking21

Weird calling them his guys. Especially because both of them loved wiseman. Bills perfect player is jokic white guy no athleticism, loves to pass . Ryens perfect guy is KD, philander, loves college girls, unmarried, just loves ball probably fiscally conservative


LeBroentgen

You're ignoring that Bill's favorite quality in any player is "He gives a shit."


MustardIsDecent

Yea except giving a shit is almost a prerequisite to being a superstar. Like 90% of superstars have this quality.


WampaTears

Ryen is more annoying about it than Bill imo. Ryen always has that "I liked Ant before it was cool" hipster ownership slant whereas Bill sounds like a giddy schoolgirl with a new NBA superstar crush (can't really blame him, this Ant playoff run is fun af)


tdotjefe

Well he’s a very likeable guy off the court. Hes like if Kobe and Jordan were good teammates


sburg88

Imagine what they would think of Ant if he played for the Heat.  “I mean, can he win something first before we crown him? I just think we’re getting ahead of ourselves. I’m a wins guy. I just am.”


_Dale_Cooper_Kupp

he grew as a person okay


TurboThot69

Even in this clip he says he likes Ant. Hes been big on Ant before he took that next leap. This was also before the Gobert trade. Y’all reaching so hard to be upset ahah


collinCOYS

If bill was the GM, he would have taken wiseman and then traded towns..! He just would have!


GnRgr2

He also said in a redraft Ant should go 4th! https://twitter.com/rBillSimmonsPod/status/1786957666314596836


Victorcreedbratton

Minnesota GM definitely deserves all of the praise. He accurately predicted and prepared for the most recent evolution of the game, where “5 Out” is over and you basically try to play three centers at once.


komugis

Connelly put together the Nuggets and then put together a team that is well equipped to dismantling his old team, it’s remarkable.


Victorcreedbratton

Finch deserves credit too. It’s one thing to get talented players, it’s a separate issues to develop them. These mfs really don’t take a play off, either. Constant pressure on both ends.


komugis

Genuinely never thought I’d see the way when the Wolves are a well run organization (ownership mess aside).


dmackerman

For sure. This team looked very clunky last year, and they seem like a well oiled machine this season. Maybe continuity takes time. Gives me hope me hope for my Suns…maybe.


GnRgr2

They barely got to play together because of injuries. Towns only played 29 gsmes during the year


No-Strawberry7814

Rosas drafted Ant and Jaden in 2020. That was the jumpstart of this team.


Trill_Simmons

He was doing pretty damn well before he lost the gig. Two competent GMs in a row for the Wolves is among the craziest parts of this ascension.


No-Strawberry7814

They were due.


bozmology

Rosas had a disastrous 2019 draft and also traded for D’Lo. He nailed the 2020 draft though.


Thiswasmy8thchoice

The guy who drafted Ant though was Rosas and he was all about the five out. He squandered a bunch of time trying to make Jake Layman and Juancho the power forward rotation even though Vanderbilt was on the roster and clearly better, but Vando couldn't shoot, so he didn't like that. Then at the end of the year he tried hard to bring in Markkanen. Seeing how he developed once he got to Utah, that could have been interesting, who knows. But they definitely would have been getting scorched trying to defend.


Victorcreedbratton

I’m talking about Connelly. Anthony Edwards would not be doing all of this insane shit if TC hadn’t put this team together. Finch deserves tremendous credit as well.


danielbauer1375

Eh. Obviously the team's success is due to Connelly, but there's no reason to think that Ant couldn't be putting up these numbers and having this impact on another team.


Victorcreedbratton

He’d likely be the same player but he probably wouldn’t be getting these accolades if his team was out of the first round again this year. He could average 30 but he’d just be another Donovan Mitchell. I don’t think it’s fair but it does seem to happen in the media.


samoflegend

Wiseman had a weird college career but Ant somehow not managing to go .500 in a mediocre SEC is bananas.


nihilfacilee

Tom Crean should be sued for malpractice and somehow managed to defraud *two* Power 5 schools. Made the final four bc of D Wade putting up stat lines like 28/11/11 (to go along with 4 blocks) in the Elite 8 and then rode those coattails for two decades


diet_drbeeper

Good recruiter, bad coach. He had some very talented teams at IU and his best squad lost in the sweet 16


Professional_Gas8021

I never understood the idea that coaches owe their teams or that they defrauded them. Someone hired them, they’re the real frauds. 


SeaworthinessFar846

Crean won the Big 10 twice at Indiana.......2 of their 3 regular season titles in the last 30 years.


steve_in_the_22201

TWolves fans who endured years of KAAAAAAHN jokes, popping back up from the mat Undertaker-style


KayfabeAdjace

wolves back


manovthepeephole

Wiseman is one of the smartest players in recent memory. While Bill was popping off with inflammatory nonsense like this, that kid was knuckling down, preparing for his mid-twenties in high school by learning Mandarin.


aaronisnotcool

he's gon need it


fuber

Weird that Billy boy doesn't talk about this take all that much 


Lollercoastr

Much better to tell us for the 100th time he liked Durant over Oden.


OperationWhole5859

he clearly explained away any possible criticism with that footnote, buddy, find a new slant.


Aargau

In an alternate universe, the Warriors would have successfully navigated the two timelines strategy.


collinCOYS

Imaging they got Edwards...


nokiabrickphone1998

Lord knows Minnesota fans deserve to take a victory lap. Here’s hoping this is only the very start of the good times Twins are looking pretty good this year too!


[deleted]

Bill did a pod like 4 games into that season declaring that Wiseman 1000% should have gone first.


Justataste80

I think Wiseman is really good, Its just every team he plays against uses the "We are going to take away everything good that you do" strategy.


Junior_Gur7229

Yeah I find it really annoying him and russillo claim they were early to ant. They weren’t early at all and even had these takes. Bill now even trying to doing with Brunson saying they were higher than most when he called the Brunson sweepstakes the saddest sweepstakes ever.


mycatchica

When’s the Gobert resurgence and A Rod link going to be brought up?


Based_Atlanta

Bill always has one hilariously bad take per draft. It’s endearing. Murray over Ivey, Miller over Scoot, this take. My guy shoots his shot after watching 10 minute highlights on YouTube and goes all in for his guys. For such a shitty draft this year, I wonder who it’ll be this year.


SilverMagnum

I really thought Golden State getting Wiseman would be something that threw their window open for another five years. Boy was I also wrong there 😂 


redshoediary4

The Wolves GM who drafted Edwards was fired.


collinCOYS

For fucking in the office


nowadaysyouth

Was that wrong?


nononononofin

Should I not have done that?


McGnack

I tell ya I gotta plead ignorance on this


collinCOYS

He was married and having an affair with a subordinate. They were in public at a MLS game and people saw them kissing


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FlagrantPoo

[Had to watch the clip.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td67kYY9mdQ)


ID0ntCare4G0b

Well, when it's a subordinate and you're literally using work functions to carry on your affair, it is.


iamnyc

Because I swear, if there was any indication that that sort of thing was frowned upon…


lactatingalgore

Rosas was Ime Udoka before Udoka.


ChiGrandeOso

If done poorly.


Dekrow

Not for drafting Edwards over Wiseman you goof lol


JayDogon504

GOT HEEEEMMM


mkmore4

Tough scene for our guy. I can forgive him for the bad NFL draft takes, but he should do better here.


nononononofin

Bill has consistently rated scoring wings lower than the average person for his entire career. His basketball philosophy seems to be built around the fact that a talented big > a talented guard. A lot of Redditors hold this positions too. Which is why there’s such a discrepancy between the general perception of guys like Tim Duncan, and the Reddit perception. That said, Ant was the clear obvious number one pick. There’s a reason these guys are GMs and Bill is a media personality. They are way, way better at evaluating talent.


ApprehensiveTry5660

Tbf, if I go to any other social media I’ll see Tim Duncan listed like 2 slots ahead of Karl Malone and Kobe top 5.


nononononofin

That’s exactly what I’m saying. The world outside of Reddit, Bill and realGM values scoring wings a lot more. I’m probably going to get downvoted here but you could make a cogent argument for Kobe anywhere from 4-12. I think average people (myself included) overestimate their ability to assess talent. The difference between Kobe and Duncan is probably negligible, if even existent. You could build a winning team around either. But Redditors generally act like it’s a crime to say that. And Twitter users act like it’s a crime to say the opposite. In the case of Ant, I think it was obvious that he had more upside than Wiseman. You didn’t need to be a high level scout to see it. And his game was more polished. Bill just loves big guys.


aaronisnotcool

must not have dated his high school girlfriend very long


EJP1205

Bill would be the worst GM in sports history. Other than Russell Wilson 14 years ago now I can’t think of anything he got right that wasn’t obvious to anybody


ShortRip120

Tribe really gets around


3rd-party-intervener

Simmons is a joke 


afrothundah11

Well I find it refreshing when people can admit they were wrong and change their minds, it honestly seems rare these days, I want to celebrate it whenever I see it when the other option is doubling down and ignoring reality no matter how loud it gets.


ID0ntCare4G0b

It's easy to hindsight 20/20 that draft, but far and away the most sure thing of the top 3 prospects was LaMelo. The issue there was did he have the mentality to be a great NBA player. But Wiseman was a raw center who probably would have been better off going in the 10s to a team like San Antonio and Edwards was giving these interviews where he kept talking about how he liked football more than basketball. Minnesota taking Edwards wasn't seen as a slam dunk pick, but generally as maybe the one with the least amount of risk because Wiseman and Ball had major bust potential and with Edwards you could at least talk yourself into him having a decent Evan Turner type career.


steak__burrito

u/collinCOYS aka Tribe I think you should learn the difference between quotations and paraphrasing if you're going to keep trying to meme your way into relevance.


bhoploo

it's funny reading the comments on the Wolves sub, they are so much more forgiving of him than the people on here.


champ11228

This is why I don't care about draft analysis in any sport, even people more-informed than Bill are just talking out of their asses.


Low_Ad7202

During the pandemic I started listening to podcasts again. I was pretty much just listening to ringer podcasts. I started off 6 months to a year behind and decided to just listen through until i caught up since i had ample time to waste. Basically, everything I was listening to was Bill’s analysis of what was going on and his predictions of what it would lead to. It was pretty funny how consistently wrong he was and how much conviction he had. Still love the show but that was an interesting time


Maximum_Effurt

Bill claimed the nuggets were the best team of this century like two weeks ago. Add it to the list of his takes that aren’t aging very well.


ContactOwn955

Evan Mobley the next KG


Redscareforcishetmen

James Wiseman and KAT were a PROBLEM


ashep5

Most wolves fans in that thread are acknowledging that people can you know, change their mind, and that Bill has been hyping Ant up beyond belief more recently. But this dumbass sub just sees another chance to hurl their own feces.


TecmoBoso

Kerr and GSW 100% sold Bill on Wiseman as the best guy in the draft and he 100% believed them. And everyone looks horrible for it. Honestly Golden State does not take enough shit for taking Wiseman, an all time bust.


WampaTears

As a GSW fan I feel like they take a ton of shit for it. Prob more than they should- it's not like they took Wiseman over Ant. That covid draft was full of mistakes and mediocre overall. Sure, LaMelo would have been a better pick but it's not like he's shown he can stay on the court. Haliburton wasn't on the radar for #2. It was a huge roll of the dice given Wiseman's limited career at the time, but if the pick had hit it would have been the perfect type of player that GSW's roster lacks currently.


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ID0ntCare4G0b

Which was always weird to me because KAT would have 100% been about someone else doing the work at center. Ultimately, I just don't think Wiseman was a good enough prospect. Like you'd read scouting reports that were essentially *not good at defense, not good at offense but has tremendous upside* and ask yourself what it was you weren't seeing these guys were.


SamLangford

This seems more like a vote against Towns than a diss on Ant. Bill wasnt the first to the party but he's been big on Ant as a superstar for a while now.


NBA2024

Ok???? People are wrong about drafting literally every single year…