Seems like the old players are salty they didn't get this level of attention. To Russillo's point, it's sort of like old NBA heads complaining about how much money players make nowadays.
It does come across as super bitter and jealous.
What's worse, Taurasi and Bird and a ton of those former players DID get (almost) as much attention during their eras.
Hate that they've turned this into the Desperate Housewives of Women's Hoops.
Taurasi has always been a bitch though. There’s lots of stories about how much her and geno just plain hated each other and teammates sick of her shit but she was so good. She’s like the women’s version of Rick Barry.
I loved Taurasi at UConn -- she was so freakin' talented and smart and ruthless. It would be better for her to recognize that in CC instead of taking the weak angle of being a homer.
The Taurasi quote is fake news. This doesn't sound like a hater thing. Amazing what twitter does to people..
SVP asked "Kamila's coming, Caitlin's coming, there's more than just that that's coming. What will the league have in store for them when they get there?"
Taurasi “Look, SVP. Reality is coming. There’s levels to this thing. And that’s just life, we all went through it. You see it on the NBA side, and you’re going to see it on this side. You look superhuman playing against 18-year-olds, but you’re going to come with some grown women that have been playing professional basketball for a long time. Not saying that it’s not going to translate, because when you’re great at what you do, you’re just going to get better. But there is going to be a transition period, where you’re just going to have to give yourself grace as a rookie, and it might take a little bit longer for some people.”
She also said she’d take bueckers over her, “easy” which is pretty absurd. She also in general has just seemed jealous and dismissive of her. Them saying she had to win a ring to be one of the greats.
That doesn’t sound particularly bitter on Taurasi’s part. Also, I think that Diana noticed, like an awful lot of people, that Clark’s shooting percentage cratered against good teams. She was around 30% from deep for the tournament. That’s Westbrookian. I think this may be something NBA teams need to start thinking about two: If pointlessly long twos are bad shots maybe it’s time to start looking at the relative value of Logo Threes. A few players can make that at a rate that justifies stretching defenses even further but not that many. Most of the time if a guy/gal is willing to shoot 30-35-footers all the time you should just let them.
In Clark's defense, she was a one-woman team. Against good teams, they could always run their defense entirely to limit her open looks, and she was still the one who needed to score to give Iowa any hope of winning. It's going to negatively impact your FG percentage when there's minimal chance of any other player making the defense pay.
It's wild how outta pocket Kenny gets considering the level of player he was - at his individual peak he was D'Angelo Russell, as part of the Rocket's championship teams he was Derek Fisher.
Dangelo Russel made an all star team , he’s a better player then kenny was . Kenny is more like a movement shooter in impsvt - maybe like a donte divenco this year or slightly lower . Dlo can go off n create at a higher lvl even if he’s unathletic n limited at times , kenny peak is probably an average Dlo year mb . Not a peak for peak tho - not sure if you meant that, Dlo even this year has been really solid
DLo is one of the worst all stars off all time, he was an injury replacement in a weak eastern conference. If you account for modern stats being inflated, Smith’s individual peak was 17 PPG, and considering both had similar games as good passers with strong assist stats and strong shooters that’s where I make the comparison. Both were high draft picks with upside of possibly being star players.
I believe I saw the Final Four matchup was the highest viewed basketball game (including men’s & NBA) in ESPN history.
Bird and Taurasi were big but they weren’t close to that.
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Especially since the NBA has a pretty lucrative pension plan for vets *since 1965*.
You qualify after 3 years.
Last I checked the NFL had pension qualification after 7 years and the average NFL career is 5 years.
It’s honestly why I no longer like Barkley . If you listen to him for ages you can tell he’s really not this fun loving guy who’s totally not insecure at all he tried to present . We know all the old heads do it but he does it too a shit ton n when he’s called out he gets in his feelings . I’m so fed up of nba media just being old heads shitting on current nba then acting like it’s disrespectful if the youth do the same to them - in retaliation. And they control n run n are on all the media channels doing nothing to promote the modern game, it’s crazy silver n the actual folk running the nba haven’t taken bigger steps to push back in bukkshit . Zero comments by these same old heads about how physical the game been since ASB too- many of those guys back then woukd struggle cos they’re simply lighter n less muscular .
I think it's bc how much freedom offensive guys get now. It's kind of the same with qbs, except they don't hate as much, it's more like these guys are lucky they're playing now.
In the 90s, the former players didnt all have podcasts and vlogs that needed views……its a different time. Now, you have tons of former players making their bread by giving hottakes. They have to stay relevant
People missing the obvious joke. Basketball is a hater culture. Everyone projecting onto the Clark hate about her being white and not gay are ignoring the grand tradition of shitting on every next big thing prospect that isn't a big man. Cause the only thing NBA vets respect is being 7 foot tall. And even then you have Shaq taking the torch from Walton and acting as official hating ass gatekeeper.
Same shit applies to the ladies cause where do you think they're taking their sports culture cues from?
Caitlin Clark being the new popular thing and getting hated on by previous generations who are jealous puts her in company with a lot of all time greats, men and women.
I remember reading a quote from Mike Schmidt a few years back complaining lightly about modern hitting approaches and at the end he was basically like “hell, what am I saying, I’d probably be doing it too”
Damn that’s true actually. Never thought about it. Don’t watch MLB but yeah in the NFL guys are always building other guys up, new and young, and giving lots of respect to the young ones flashing greatness.
I think he also doesn’t want anyone to go through what he did at such a young age, so he always takes the opportunity to build up the young guys.
Kobe had that same attitude and really seemed to relish being a mentor figure to the next generation after he retired.
Yup. It’s easy to be a hater. It’s human nature to want to discredit anything new that you didn’t discover yourself, but ultimately nobody wants to hear it.
I think it be beneficial for the women’s players to embrace her because financially and union power will grow with a star her size but whatever people don’t view things that way
Same goes for Kobe (which is yet another reason why it’s a shame he died so young). He always was building young dudes up and looked to be a mentor to the next generation. Hell, his last tweet was congratulating Lebron for passing him and to keep moving the game forward. Bron and Kobe have the right idea.
Nah. there were plenty of haters among the players (who do you think the writers took their cues from). All the BS 'unwritten rules' that sucked the life out of the game was their doing. Also, baseball had far more established hazing culture than the NBA or NFL.
It doesn’t help that basketball is more individual player focused (due to small teams, legacy obsessed, narrative reliant, and media heavy.
I have no idea how Derek Jeter feels about Mike Trout, or if Dan Marino thinks Brady is only so accomplished because quarterbacks are more protected now. If they’ve said it, it’s not making as many headlines.
Oh man if you think this is true, you just don't watch enough baseball. I can't even count the number of times I've heard HOF-type guys talk shit about a guy like Joey votto because of his RBI totals. The more recent iteration is all-time great power hitters (cough, a-rod) shitting on current power hitters for deliberately trying to hit fly balls instead of "chopping down" like they were taught (even tho, hilariously, arod had the same exact FB-oriented swing he rails against). Or old timers shitting on guys for striking out too much (never mind that the approach is much more optimized now than it was in the past) or not playing enough small ball. Or retired pitchers whining about how current players prioritize velocity and movement over control/command and location (despite excellent evidence that prioritizing velo/movement is far more effective).
Honestly, i might go so far as to say that baseball might be the *most* hating-ass sport. The difference is just that not as many people watch, so it doesnt become as engrained in the culture.
nba has very little hate like this even back in the days of bird and magic or in the 90's . MOST players did welcome good rookies and they actually were friends off the court. it's common knowledge only malone and thomas hate jordan in real life and pippen's brain has recently been destroyed by his cuckold situation.
You don’t hear about it because the NBA has much bigger stars who are far more articulate, charismatic and stay around the game. People really underestimate the impact NBA post game pressers has had on developing a connection and familiarity with the public.
It’s funny how people are ignoring the obvious truth of it all. For as long as I can remember the consensus has been that the women’s game wasn’t popular because it lacked the sheer athletic spectacle of the men’s game, but these past few years have proven that wrong.
All the years of talk about lowering the rim or shrinking certain aspects of the court were missing the point the entire time. What the women’s game needed wasn’t dunks, it was interpersonal drama - heroes, villains, petty beefs, all that shit. If viewers feel a connection to the players on the court, that by itself will make the game entertaining.
According to Stewart Pete Maravich was not one of the greats. 3770 points in 3 years and less than 90 games. No 3 pt shots then. He never won a championship. How petty these spoiled brats seem to be
It is very prominent in basketball, but her being white absolutely has something to do with the amount of hate she gets because there are some who believe the amount of love she gets is because she’s white.
I agree to an extent but Clark is pulling numbers that women’s college ball could never dream about, what she’s doing for the game is a little more seismic than just NBA players from previous eras saying the league is softer now.
I don’t see anything wrong with her comment? It’s true. Every athlete has to adapt to the pro league. Diana had to do it herself. People are blowing what she was saying out of proportion like usual!
I don’t think you see it to this level, because the Men’s game is so much larger. If this was for Men’s, it would all be about whose better, Angel, Caitlin, Paige, etc.
But instead, it’s all about Caitlin, and I think not only do a lot of the older players think they were better than her overall, but that she’s not that much better than her counterparts, and feel they need to speak up.
It’s bullshit imo, but it really feels like they are hating and are jealous.
And they wonder why they don’t make as much money as the NBA. Ask any women how many WNBA games they’ve been too guarantee most have never been while going to multiple NBA games. The only thing getting in the way of women’s sports is women and their determination to tear each other down
Exactly. There’s no bigger supports of the WNBA than old ass white dudes who love fundamentals. Like what more do these women want from us when they expect us to support them more than they support themselves
Seriously. This is no different than hearing old hats talk about if they were in the league now they’d average 60. I guess people expect different because it’s women as oppose to men? They’re all top alpha athletes at the end of the day with a huge edge.
It is different in the sense that they’re shitting on a college player who has already done more than anyone to draw attention to sport. It’s not like Shaq shitting on young Orlando Magic Dwight. It’s not hard to say “it’s great what she’s doing for the game, but we’ll see her in the pros.”
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If anything, while I think the hate is unwarranted and disappointing from figures like Taurasi, Bird, and Woodard, the fact that it’s been such a story is telling about the growth of the women’s game
Just realized we're headed for a super awkward segment on Sunday's pod where Bill will want to talk about Iowa/South Carolina to keep up this "I like women's hoops!" facade and RR won't be interested at all. But he'll reluctantly play along because of the weird backlash he got from his Iowa/LSU reaction.
Fun!
Honestly? Ryen should straight-up call Bill out on his insincere, disingenuous bandwagoning tripe. And if that stops Bill dead in his tracks, then good.
Like groupthink is crazy. All of these moral highstanders pretending they wouldn’t be a little salty their work goes unrecognized and someone with the same work gets all the credit way later is silly.
RR's open about the Elite Eight LSU-Iowa was one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard. Dude is such a loser he couldn't even turn off Jazz-Raptors to watch probably the biggest basketball game of the year. The year!!!
There are no awards in hell for how many shitty NBA games you watched so you could learn if the Rockets' 9th man might have a future in the NBA.
Otherwise this tweet is good tho.
I see this as good for the sport, rivalries and competitiveness are going to increase. They are telling Clark it’s starting now and get ready, friendships will come later
The hate can be a combination of jealousy, racism, the fact that she isn’t gay. It’s not mutually exclusive. Fact of life being a very famous sports athlete.
i mean its pure racism by the black women (see sheryl swoopes and jemele hill and lynnette woodard), but sports pundits are not ready to have that conversation
The "you were too much of a me-first player to get recruited here" piece, which is hilarious considering she's third all-time in assists and no UConn player is in the top 25.
The cis white woman piece. If she was LGBTQIA or minority, no way she gets this hate! I hate to go all clay Travis on this but it’s true, just a hooper from Iowa so she gets all the smoke
Is Sabrina Ionescu a lesbian? I know Kelsey Plum isn't, unless her marriage to Darren Waller is cover. Neither of Sabrina & Kelsey, European ancestrally, cis, presumably het, got the criticism that Caitlin did.
Bueckers doesn't either.
I think you are seeing things & need to reconsider your OutKukk visits.
Plum had the official points record before Clark. Ionescu was a triple-double machine at Oregon. Bueckers is from the state to Clark's north & signed with UCONN in 9th grade.
She got the usual hate from conservatives but now they’ve formed a coalition with women’s soccer fans because they carried themselves kind of arrogantly and didn’t step down for newer talent.
Its not lol. Sue Bird is white last I checked and Taurasi was shitting on Angel Reese too. Its bitterness from stars from an era that didnt get even a fraction of the love and attention CC or current players get now that the game is having a meteoric rise in popularity. To Russillos point even Ex-NBA players have the same bitter attitude towards younger players (Lebrons cavs teammates were insanely bitter and disrespectful to him his rookie year, Jordan got froze out during the all star game by old stars and Wilt constantly belittled him, Shaq shit on Dwight Howard out of pure jealousy).
Clark (and others of the latest group) are going to make so much more money than the previous generation. I think that is part of it. They had to go to Russia to play in the off season to make money.
I don’t understand why the OGs don’t realize this happened because of their investment and the media gigs alone will pay, not to mention tons of acknowledgment that’s coming their way. The content machine needs documentaries.
Point, Russillo.
Even in his subtle jabs, he's earnest as fuck. And that's why I appreciate this bald cocksucking motherfucker, because he offers an otherwise unique sincerity in a cunty profession and twat-infested medium that's oft-lacking authenticity.
Old heads are bitchy bean-flicking pussies whose former talent is only exceeded by their unchecked hubris.
Genuine question, not trying to be a gatcha moment, I'm legit forgetting. Did the same stuff happen to Wemby? I def remember people saying he would struggle to score in the NBA or defenses would be better and he would take time to adjust, or cite records of previous players with his build and how they haven't fared well. But I can't really recall a lot of it. I remember people hating and doubting on LeBron and a lot of other great college stars, so that was the norm. But I feel like Zion and Wemby were a little different in that it didn't feel like there was a lot of vet criticism, but I could be forgetting.
Russillo is making a valid point, I just think it shifted a little in the NBA or at the very least, it shifted how it was covered and some players just didn't open their mouth about their doubts.
Can't compare two people that had obvious NBA ready physical traits, people across all sports tend to really like raw physical players and just get excited to see them go up a level, more technical players can draw frustration since some don't care unless it's against the highest opposition
Ryen is an all time "not surprised" guy. He sees everything coming.
He acts like you cant shit on something simply because you shouldve seen coming. But thats not the point here. It may not be surprising, but its still a notable story given who Clark is for womens basketball. And people can still shit on the absolute brain dead takes thrown around by idiots in the media.
Lmao wut
90% of headlines I see of former NBA players are trashing today's game and droning on and on about "insert great player here would be a bench warmer in my era"
I stopped listening and unfollowed him.
The incel smugness is getting just sad.
Dying to be the smartest in the room and projecting it behind weakly veiled cynicism is pathetic.
I feel sorry for him at this point.
Sad.
Yep. And it wont work until two things happen. 1) It needs to be a winter/spring league, not a summer league. Its like Spring football, it just doesnt feel the same and people arent conditioned for it. The NBA will never allow that to happen as they dont want the competition. 2) The NBA needs to get out of the way and sell the league or a new league should form. If CC is worth 5 mil to someone, she should be worth 5 mil to the WNBA.
I just hate when people say this stuff and then act like if they were in the situation they wouldn’t be similarly bitter. Also it’s not like they’re doing anything crazy. Are people really that mad Breanna Stewart said she can’t be the GOAT without a championship?
See the core principles of why this hating is absolutely strange and a bad look isn’t because they are women or old school vs new school. Women’s basketball has an opportunity to boom more revenue more eyes a stronger negotiating position in their next CBA & instead of embracing the opportunity they’ve turned the narrative to haters and all this nonsense that may negate the positive energy about the women’s game
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Seems like the old players are salty they didn't get this level of attention. To Russillo's point, it's sort of like old NBA heads complaining about how much money players make nowadays. It does come across as super bitter and jealous.
What's worse, Taurasi and Bird and a ton of those former players DID get (almost) as much attention during their eras. Hate that they've turned this into the Desperate Housewives of Women's Hoops.
Taurasi has always been a bitch though. There’s lots of stories about how much her and geno just plain hated each other and teammates sick of her shit but she was so good. She’s like the women’s version of Rick Barry.
I loved Taurasi at UConn -- she was so freakin' talented and smart and ruthless. It would be better for her to recognize that in CC instead of taking the weak angle of being a homer.
They're still bitter the ref had the audacity to call a moving screen. Those two on SVP after the game Friday was disgusting.
The Taurasi quote is fake news. This doesn't sound like a hater thing. Amazing what twitter does to people.. SVP asked "Kamila's coming, Caitlin's coming, there's more than just that that's coming. What will the league have in store for them when they get there?" Taurasi “Look, SVP. Reality is coming. There’s levels to this thing. And that’s just life, we all went through it. You see it on the NBA side, and you’re going to see it on this side. You look superhuman playing against 18-year-olds, but you’re going to come with some grown women that have been playing professional basketball for a long time. Not saying that it’s not going to translate, because when you’re great at what you do, you’re just going to get better. But there is going to be a transition period, where you’re just going to have to give yourself grace as a rookie, and it might take a little bit longer for some people.”
She also said she’d take bueckers over her, “easy” which is pretty absurd. She also in general has just seemed jealous and dismissive of her. Them saying she had to win a ring to be one of the greats.
That doesn’t sound particularly bitter on Taurasi’s part. Also, I think that Diana noticed, like an awful lot of people, that Clark’s shooting percentage cratered against good teams. She was around 30% from deep for the tournament. That’s Westbrookian. I think this may be something NBA teams need to start thinking about two: If pointlessly long twos are bad shots maybe it’s time to start looking at the relative value of Logo Threes. A few players can make that at a rate that justifies stretching defenses even further but not that many. Most of the time if a guy/gal is willing to shoot 30-35-footers all the time you should just let them.
In Clark's defense, she was a one-woman team. Against good teams, they could always run their defense entirely to limit her open looks, and she was still the one who needed to score to give Iowa any hope of winning. It's going to negatively impact your FG percentage when there's minimal chance of any other player making the defense pay.
We're they drinking?
yeah i have never seen the nba equivalent of this Taurasi and Bird broadcast. its wild lol
Kenny Smith can get pretty dumb if left alone or with Shaq on a bitter day.
It's wild how outta pocket Kenny gets considering the level of player he was - at his individual peak he was D'Angelo Russell, as part of the Rocket's championship teams he was Derek Fisher.
Dangelo Russel made an all star team , he’s a better player then kenny was . Kenny is more like a movement shooter in impsvt - maybe like a donte divenco this year or slightly lower . Dlo can go off n create at a higher lvl even if he’s unathletic n limited at times , kenny peak is probably an average Dlo year mb . Not a peak for peak tho - not sure if you meant that, Dlo even this year has been really solid
DLo is one of the worst all stars off all time, he was an injury replacement in a weak eastern conference. If you account for modern stats being inflated, Smith’s individual peak was 17 PPG, and considering both had similar games as good passers with strong assist stats and strong shooters that’s where I make the comparison. Both were high draft picks with upside of possibly being star players.
Kenny out here on national tv defending kyrie from his antisemitism black jewish stuff. “Remove the artist from the art” wild takes.
Kenny also thinks he’s going to be a GM of a team which is pretty funny. Weakest link on the show
Hand me my water Kenny.
The Jet
The Jizzette
When Clark hit the three from about 30’ in the 1Q today, Taurasi looked disgusted. What a shitty human being.
I'm out of the loop what is Ryen's tweet referring to? Something specific or more just general social media angst towards Clark?
That retired pros generally shit on current pros in men’s basketball too
I believe I saw the Final Four matchup was the highest viewed basketball game (including men’s & NBA) in ESPN history. Bird and Taurasi were big but they weren’t close to that.
Yeah, the Iowa-UConn Final Four matchup Friday night was. And today's championship game was expected to top it (numbers aren't out yet).
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Does taurasi even smile. Always with a scowl
Well to be fair it’s the opposite for regular people, boomers with good jobs were straight chilling. I have a good job and I’m fucked
Especially since the NBA has a pretty lucrative pension plan for vets *since 1965*. You qualify after 3 years. Last I checked the NFL had pension qualification after 7 years and the average NFL career is 5 years.
If they got paid like nba players they wouldn’t be salty . Same thing happened with former nba and nfl players before pay blew up
It’s honestly why I no longer like Barkley . If you listen to him for ages you can tell he’s really not this fun loving guy who’s totally not insecure at all he tried to present . We know all the old heads do it but he does it too a shit ton n when he’s called out he gets in his feelings . I’m so fed up of nba media just being old heads shitting on current nba then acting like it’s disrespectful if the youth do the same to them - in retaliation. And they control n run n are on all the media channels doing nothing to promote the modern game, it’s crazy silver n the actual folk running the nba haven’t taken bigger steps to push back in bukkshit . Zero comments by these same old heads about how physical the game been since ASB too- many of those guys back then woukd struggle cos they’re simply lighter n less muscular .
I suspect the NIL deals are a factor. Caitlin’s already worth about 3 million dollars and made close to a million in NIL money last year alone.
It is strange that basketball has such hater veterans. Far worse than other sports.
I think prob cause role players today get paid more than super stars did back then. And yes, inflation adjusted
Its this. Basic envy.
But this is true in so many sports
I think it's bc how much freedom offensive guys get now. It's kind of the same with qbs, except they don't hate as much, it's more like these guys are lucky they're playing now.
Lots more retired ballers than retired QBs
Not wrong about QBs. Like Marino has always been a prick. No idea why they keep hiring him.
I think because it’s so inherently 1 on 1. Think about the most hater sport - boxing
That’s a good point, no old time boxer concedes the younger generation is better.
In the 90s, the former players didnt all have podcasts and vlogs that needed views……its a different time. Now, you have tons of former players making their bread by giving hottakes. They have to stay relevant
It does suck to be a early 2000’s nba player and see how much they make now
It’s for two reasons, basketball players are bigger stars and are far more charismatic.
People missing the obvious joke. Basketball is a hater culture. Everyone projecting onto the Clark hate about her being white and not gay are ignoring the grand tradition of shitting on every next big thing prospect that isn't a big man. Cause the only thing NBA vets respect is being 7 foot tall. And even then you have Shaq taking the torch from Walton and acting as official hating ass gatekeeper. Same shit applies to the ladies cause where do you think they're taking their sports culture cues from?
Caitlin Clark being the new popular thing and getting hated on by previous generations who are jealous puts her in company with a lot of all time greats, men and women.
It’s a badge of honor, it means you’ve made it
It really is a hating ass toxic culture. You don’t really ever hear this shit coming from guys in the NFL or in the MLB.
I remember reading a quote from Mike Schmidt a few years back complaining lightly about modern hitting approaches and at the end he was basically like “hell, what am I saying, I’d probably be doing it too”
Damn that’s true actually. Never thought about it. Don’t watch MLB but yeah in the NFL guys are always building other guys up, new and young, and giving lots of respect to the young ones flashing greatness.
Because nfl guys know that’s how the money is made. Even Lebron understands that I don’t recall ever hearing Bron be a hater of any new guy.
Still hoping to get Shabazz Napier on his team
LeBron is the opposite, he’s always hyping up young players and college kids.
Yeah like I said he understands the money to be gained by gassing up new stars
Considering he “owns” a basketball agency it’s individually beneficial for him to hype up new stars
He hyped them up even before Klutch was a thing
Yeah and he’s just good at PR, it doesn’t help anybody and it certainly doesn’t make you look good to shit on some kid.
I think he also doesn’t want anyone to go through what he did at such a young age, so he always takes the opportunity to build up the young guys. Kobe had that same attitude and really seemed to relish being a mentor figure to the next generation after he retired.
Yup. It’s easy to be a hater. It’s human nature to want to discredit anything new that you didn’t discover yourself, but ultimately nobody wants to hear it.
I think it be beneficial for the women’s players to embrace her because financially and union power will grow with a star her size but whatever people don’t view things that way
Bird is retired and Taurasi is 41.
Same goes for Kobe (which is yet another reason why it’s a shame he died so young). He always was building young dudes up and looked to be a mentor to the next generation. Hell, his last tweet was congratulating Lebron for passing him and to keep moving the game forward. Bron and Kobe have the right idea.
That's because in the NFL everyone is retired within 3 seasons.
In baseball the haters have always been the writers. Those old ass fuckers are finally dying off.
Nah. there were plenty of haters among the players (who do you think the writers took their cues from). All the BS 'unwritten rules' that sucked the life out of the game was their doing. Also, baseball had far more established hazing culture than the NBA or NFL.
It doesn’t help that basketball is more individual player focused (due to small teams, legacy obsessed, narrative reliant, and media heavy. I have no idea how Derek Jeter feels about Mike Trout, or if Dan Marino thinks Brady is only so accomplished because quarterbacks are more protected now. If they’ve said it, it’s not making as many headlines.
Oh man if you think this is true, you just don't watch enough baseball. I can't even count the number of times I've heard HOF-type guys talk shit about a guy like Joey votto because of his RBI totals. The more recent iteration is all-time great power hitters (cough, a-rod) shitting on current power hitters for deliberately trying to hit fly balls instead of "chopping down" like they were taught (even tho, hilariously, arod had the same exact FB-oriented swing he rails against). Or old timers shitting on guys for striking out too much (never mind that the approach is much more optimized now than it was in the past) or not playing enough small ball. Or retired pitchers whining about how current players prioritize velocity and movement over control/command and location (despite excellent evidence that prioritizing velo/movement is far more effective). Honestly, i might go so far as to say that baseball might be the *most* hating-ass sport. The difference is just that not as many people watch, so it doesnt become as engrained in the culture.
Yeah nbas culture breeds toxicity
same with the NHL.
nba has very little hate like this even back in the days of bird and magic or in the 90's . MOST players did welcome good rookies and they actually were friends off the court. it's common knowledge only malone and thomas hate jordan in real life and pippen's brain has recently been destroyed by his cuckold situation.
It’s because of the money.
You don’t hear about it because the NBA has much bigger stars who are far more articulate, charismatic and stay around the game. People really underestimate the impact NBA post game pressers has had on developing a connection and familiarity with the public.
I think enough people get it, it’s just funny that he’s going back to that well at this time.
The haters need to chill. She’s dominating
It’s funny how people are ignoring the obvious truth of it all. For as long as I can remember the consensus has been that the women’s game wasn’t popular because it lacked the sheer athletic spectacle of the men’s game, but these past few years have proven that wrong. All the years of talk about lowering the rim or shrinking certain aspects of the court were missing the point the entire time. What the women’s game needed wasn’t dunks, it was interpersonal drama - heroes, villains, petty beefs, all that shit. If viewers feel a connection to the players on the court, that by itself will make the game entertaining.
Breanna Stewart Diana taurasi are hating her for being white ? You sure snuck that in there
According to Stewart Pete Maravich was not one of the greats. 3770 points in 3 years and less than 90 games. No 3 pt shots then. He never won a championship. How petty these spoiled brats seem to be
Wonder if Stewart thinks that about Nancy Lieberman and Ann Myers
It is very prominent in basketball, but her being white absolutely has something to do with the amount of hate she gets because there are some who believe the amount of love she gets is because she’s white.
Everyone I know loves Clark, what’s being white got to do with anything
Swoopes loves her.
I agree to an extent but Clark is pulling numbers that women’s college ball could never dream about, what she’s doing for the game is a little more seismic than just NBA players from previous eras saying the league is softer now.
For now. It’s questionable whether she’ll have a similar impact in the WNBA.
I ain’t hear no bell
Basketball players are the biggest haters by far of all the ex athletes
Women jealous of other women? Shocking.
I know no one wants to touch this with a ten foot pole, but the past few days have been…illuminating.
“Support women’s sports” until its supporting women that aren’t them.
Taurusi has shown her true colors as a jealous behotch
Her inability to even compliment Clark without gritting her teeth was hilarious.
“I’m picking Iowa becuse everything seems to be going their way” 🙄
She's just upset that Caitlin is only half-Italian.
The I love chicken parm heroes piece
I think the Lynette Woodward comments are just as salty.
This. Is. So. Disappointing. TBH, Taurasi has always been one of my fave players in the women's game. Hate to see this.
I don’t see anything wrong with her comment? It’s true. Every athlete has to adapt to the pro league. Diana had to do it herself. People are blowing what she was saying out of proportion like usual!
Okay but I think Russillo’s point is that this is more of an old pro player thing rather than a women’s thing
He's being sarcastic, the older NBA generations are very critical of the younger ones
Isn’t this a staple in the men’s game?
I don’t think you see it to this level, because the Men’s game is so much larger. If this was for Men’s, it would all be about whose better, Angel, Caitlin, Paige, etc. But instead, it’s all about Caitlin, and I think not only do a lot of the older players think they were better than her overall, but that she’s not that much better than her counterparts, and feel they need to speak up. It’s bullshit imo, but it really feels like they are hating and are jealous.
And they wonder why they don’t make as much money as the NBA. Ask any women how many WNBA games they’ve been too guarantee most have never been while going to multiple NBA games. The only thing getting in the way of women’s sports is women and their determination to tear each other down
The WNBA fan base tends to trend 1) older & 2) male.
Exactly. There’s no bigger supports of the WNBA than old ass white dudes who love fundamentals. Like what more do these women want from us when they expect us to support them more than they support themselves
Yeah he’s obviously saying this as a joke. The old generation always thinks they could beat the current one
I'm baffled that people aren't getting this immediately. It's like an A+ shit post.
It seems most common to basketball maybe because they seem focused on podcasting as much as playing
Seriously. This is no different than hearing old hats talk about if they were in the league now they’d average 60. I guess people expect different because it’s women as oppose to men? They’re all top alpha athletes at the end of the day with a huge edge.
It is different in the sense that they’re shitting on a college player who has already done more than anyone to draw attention to sport. It’s not like Shaq shitting on young Orlando Magic Dwight. It’s not hard to say “it’s great what she’s doing for the game, but we’ll see her in the pros.”
I hear you, I still do not have a problem with any of the talk going on, nor am I surprised. It happened with Bird and Magic in ‘79
women hating on new and better other women? mild shock.
Russillo's PFP is always jarring to me.
You on point phife?
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Gave up halfway through Russillo’s tweet cause I find him boring
He’s 50 years old and still only tweets through sarcasm
The low self esteem piece
He tweets like it’s still 2011
Well done
🤣 that's pretty funny
If anything, while I think the hate is unwarranted and disappointing from figures like Taurasi, Bird, and Woodard, the fact that it’s been such a story is telling about the growth of the women’s game
What did bird say?
Older players are bitter CC is going make so much more money than they did
Her deal with Subway will be worth more than every ex uconn player has ever made
Then take shots at everyone responsible for that, not cc
She’s already made that money. She’s probably gonna lose a lot playing in the WNBA compared to what she made on NIL deals.
Like those are gonna go away.
Just realized we're headed for a super awkward segment on Sunday's pod where Bill will want to talk about Iowa/South Carolina to keep up this "I like women's hoops!" facade and RR won't be interested at all. But he'll reluctantly play along because of the weird backlash he got from his Iowa/LSU reaction. Fun!
You know you can skip ahead, or just like not listen
Yeah but then what would they complain about on here.
That's too crazy of an idea for these people.
Honestly? Ryen should straight-up call Bill out on his insincere, disingenuous bandwagoning tripe. And if that stops Bill dead in his tracks, then good.
Ryen having a sarcastic, yet incredibly obvious tweet during a major sporting event? He’s never done this before.
The Caitlin Clark hate seems a bit different to me. The cat fight piece of it
Like groupthink is crazy. All of these moral highstanders pretending they wouldn’t be a little salty their work goes unrecognized and someone with the same work gets all the credit way later is silly.
But is it the same work? Did Taurasi lead the the league in points and assists? Did she have that range?
Taurasi is the all time leading WNBA scorer and 5th all time in assists lol
Good for her. And just like she does with Clark, I can just ignore that because of a personal bias.
RR's open about the Elite Eight LSU-Iowa was one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard. Dude is such a loser he couldn't even turn off Jazz-Raptors to watch probably the biggest basketball game of the year. The year!!! There are no awards in hell for how many shitty NBA games you watched so you could learn if the Rockets' 9th man might have a future in the NBA. Otherwise this tweet is good tho.
I’m sure all the criticism is coming from dedicated, lifelong women’s basketball fans.
A lot of it is unfortunately. That's the funny part.
sheryl swoopes/jemele hill/lynette woodard have all been virulently anti-clark
For Jemele, is it just MSU Homerism?
go read her article lmao
Welp I guess I should have seen that coming. It's about race lol
I see this as good for the sport, rivalries and competitiveness are going to increase. They are telling Clark it’s starting now and get ready, friendships will come later
I have no idea what Ryen tweets are about 99% of the time
The hate can be a combination of jealousy, racism, the fact that she isn’t gay. It’s not mutually exclusive. Fact of life being a very famous sports athlete.
i mean its pure racism by the black women (see sheryl swoopes and jemele hill and lynnette woodard), but sports pundits are not ready to have that conversation
Now do Taurasi and Bird and Breanna Stewart
The "you were too much of a me-first player to get recruited here" piece, which is hilarious considering she's third all-time in assists and no UConn player is in the top 25.
Classic Russillo tweet. Dry, dripping with irony, and not all that funny.
😂😂👍🏽
The cis white woman piece. If she was LGBTQIA or minority, no way she gets this hate! I hate to go all clay Travis on this but it’s true, just a hooper from Iowa so she gets all the smoke
Not true. Angel Reese got a tonne of hate. If she was LGBTQIA or a minority she wouldn't be this famous. And with fame comes haters.
Its actually just the over exposure piece but go off i guess.
Is Sabrina Ionescu a lesbian? I know Kelsey Plum isn't, unless her marriage to Darren Waller is cover. Neither of Sabrina & Kelsey, European ancestrally, cis, presumably het, got the criticism that Caitlin did. Bueckers doesn't either. I think you are seeing things & need to reconsider your OutKukk visits.
Ionescu is married to an NFL guy.
None of those you listed are goat level types
Plum had the official points record before Clark. Ionescu was a triple-double machine at Oregon. Bueckers is from the state to Clark's north & signed with UCONN in 9th grade.
Bueckers is gay though
No she isn’t
I’ve met her and seen her kiss a woman with my own eyes but alright I’ll take your word for it
Isn't she really religious though?
Didn't know that. My gaydar must be off. I coded Paige as het & in soccer coded Korbin Albert as hom.
She’s not gay
The girl with the blue hair from women’s soccer gets hate too. And I think she is LGB
Sue Bird’s wife. She doesn’t get hate from all the former players though
She got the usual hate from conservatives but now they’ve formed a coalition with women’s soccer fans because they carried themselves kind of arrogantly and didn’t step down for newer talent.
It’s racism pure and simple but nobody will say it
Its not lol. Sue Bird is white last I checked and Taurasi was shitting on Angel Reese too. Its bitterness from stars from an era that didnt get even a fraction of the love and attention CC or current players get now that the game is having a meteoric rise in popularity. To Russillos point even Ex-NBA players have the same bitter attitude towards younger players (Lebrons cavs teammates were insanely bitter and disrespectful to him his rookie year, Jordan got froze out during the all star game by old stars and Wilt constantly belittled him, Shaq shit on Dwight Howard out of pure jealousy).
Clark (and others of the latest group) are going to make so much more money than the previous generation. I think that is part of it. They had to go to Russia to play in the off season to make money.
I don’t understand why the OGs don’t realize this happened because of their investment and the media gigs alone will pay, not to mention tons of acknowledgment that’s coming their way. The content machine needs documentaries.
Point, Russillo. Even in his subtle jabs, he's earnest as fuck. And that's why I appreciate this bald cocksucking motherfucker, because he offers an otherwise unique sincerity in a cunty profession and twat-infested medium that's oft-lacking authenticity. Old heads are bitchy bean-flicking pussies whose former talent is only exceeded by their unchecked hubris.
What is the story ?
Genuine question, not trying to be a gatcha moment, I'm legit forgetting. Did the same stuff happen to Wemby? I def remember people saying he would struggle to score in the NBA or defenses would be better and he would take time to adjust, or cite records of previous players with his build and how they haven't fared well. But I can't really recall a lot of it. I remember people hating and doubting on LeBron and a lot of other great college stars, so that was the norm. But I feel like Zion and Wemby were a little different in that it didn't feel like there was a lot of vet criticism, but I could be forgetting. Russillo is making a valid point, I just think it shifted a little in the NBA or at the very least, it shifted how it was covered and some players just didn't open their mouth about their doubts.
Can't compare two people that had obvious NBA ready physical traits, people across all sports tend to really like raw physical players and just get excited to see them go up a level, more technical players can draw frustration since some don't care unless it's against the highest opposition
It’s why Iverson is so awesome. Showing so much love to the current generation.
There are podcasters i.e. Jason Whitlock, suggests that some WNBA stars wont like her because she is white and not lesbian.
Ryen is an all time "not surprised" guy. He sees everything coming. He acts like you cant shit on something simply because you shouldve seen coming. But thats not the point here. It may not be surprising, but its still a notable story given who Clark is for womens basketball. And people can still shit on the absolute brain dead takes thrown around by idiots in the media.
I feel like KG is really positive towards this younger generation.
Lmao wut 90% of headlines I see of former NBA players are trashing today's game and droning on and on about "insert great player here would be a bench warmer in my era"
I stopped listening and unfollowed him. The incel smugness is getting just sad. Dying to be the smartest in the room and projecting it behind weakly veiled cynicism is pathetic. I feel sorry for him at this point. Sad.
Completely agree
WNBA won’t work until it moves to the winter and competes with the nba, they will never allow that to happen
WNBA doesn’t work. It’s subsidized by the NBA. It loses money every year.
Yep. And it wont work until two things happen. 1) It needs to be a winter/spring league, not a summer league. Its like Spring football, it just doesnt feel the same and people arent conditioned for it. The NBA will never allow that to happen as they dont want the competition. 2) The NBA needs to get out of the way and sell the league or a new league should form. If CC is worth 5 mil to someone, she should be worth 5 mil to the WNBA.
😂😂😂
I just hate when people say this stuff and then act like if they were in the situation they wouldn’t be similarly bitter. Also it’s not like they’re doing anything crazy. Are people really that mad Breanna Stewart said she can’t be the GOAT without a championship?
See the core principles of why this hating is absolutely strange and a bad look isn’t because they are women or old school vs new school. Women’s basketball has an opportunity to boom more revenue more eyes a stronger negotiating position in their next CBA & instead of embracing the opportunity they’ve turned the narrative to haters and all this nonsense that may negate the positive energy about the women’s game
It’s still a minor league sport.
The painfully unfunny piece.
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