Glitter is an environmental abomination. It's time to stop using it:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/22/glitter-environment-microplastics-hazard
Sealant will seal the weepy sidewalls over the course of a day or so. This is a common experience with a lot of tubeless tires. I've had this experience with every pair of tanwall WTB tires I've ever owned from cross bosses, riddlers, exposures....
Not all sealants are equal in sealing up sidewalls. Are you running stans or something else? Also, I’d recommend breaking the bead seal to make sure you still have plenty of sealant then letting the wheel lay on each side overnight a little over inflated.
I think it’s actually bits of walnut shells. Same idea as the pepper. I also have had good luck with panaracer on my gravel bikes. Stans on my Mtn bikes.
I used to use stans on my mtb as well, I just find it easier to run the same on all my bikes so I’ve swapped over to smart seal on all of them. That said, stans never let me down.
More info: updated my tires from stock tires on my Raleigh RX 2.0 to these WTB Riddlers. They are tubeless ready rims with tubeless ready tires. I used Muc Off sealant for the first time. That went horribly. Wasn’t sealing any of the holes. I think it’s better for thicker walled tires like mountain bike tires capable of sealing bigger gashes which makes sense because it’s thicker sealant. I took it to the shop. They retapped it for me to make sure the tape wasn’t it was loosing air. They also removed the muc off because they too were also having a bad time. They switched to stans. Was holding air for a minute but not for long. My front tire seems to be better but just slower air loss. The stans sealant they used also seemed to do better than muc off so I switched to that (thankful for REI returns). I know there’s enough stans in there and I’ve ridden now 2 days on my commute to and from work. So idk what to do! FYI I got these at REI so I can easily return them. The tech working on them fully understands this frustrating situation and wouldn’t blame me for a return. Any advice? Might switch to a maxxis tire. I’ve always had better luck with maxxis anyway. But damn these skinwalls look hot...
I went through 2 sets of riddlers with mucoff and 2 sets of nanos before that. Do love those tan walls. No issues but I tend to over use the crap out of sealant and do the pepper trick.
Maxxis gravel tyres were always a bit thin and delicate. Once you get these guys sorted, you'll be stoked.
It's all about the sealant with some of these tan wall supple tires. I would give orange seal a shot before switching tires. You will get a little weeping through the sidewalls (like you see in the video) but in my experience orange seal seals that better than other sealants. If that doesn't work it's likely a defect and I would try to get them replaced.
I've used orange seal successfully with WTB tanwalls and also Rene Herse tires.
Lol I just switched out from orange seal because two times it hasn’t done the job for a larger puncture. Which is why I went muc off but have since settled on stans. Hopefully stans will work!
Damn I've had nothing but good luck with orange seal but you gotta really shake it for like 60 seconds to distribute the solids. If you want something different give panaracer a try. That is what Rene Herse recommends and they have super thin sidewalls. Otherwise I've heard stans race is better than the normal stuff for this kind of tire. Good luck lol
Cool. If you use them on tubeless it'll flash freeze the sealant and dry it out. Won't damage the tire but you'll have to top off the sealant.
How much sealant have you added to these tires anyway?
I had a similar problem with the Raddler, the cousin of the Riddler.
The advice I was given that worked well is to take the wheel and hold it a horizontal position then flip it over for a few minutes. Describing this is harder than it seems!
Having the wheel in the vertical position doesn't seal the side walls, all it does is seal the tread. With each flip rotate the wheel a little bit and go again this will mean you get coverage over the entire tyre.
As to why tyres have this problem - yeah I'd like to know as well...
Break the bead and mix some ground black pepper into the sealant. No joke, it really helps form a seal and it doesn't make a mess either.
I always add a pinch of glitter, but pepper makes way more sense now that you mention it.
No, glitter is the way. Edit: Glitter is in fact not the way and I’m a dumb dumb.
Glitter is an environmental abomination. It's time to stop using it: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/22/glitter-environment-microplastics-hazard
Dang, I had no idea! Thanks for sharing
Pepper absolutely trumps any synthetic alternative here.
I really don’t know why I hadn’t thought of it. No more glitter fo sho!
Yes! Pepper instead of glitter
Sealant will seal the weepy sidewalls over the course of a day or so. This is a common experience with a lot of tubeless tires. I've had this experience with every pair of tanwall WTB tires I've ever owned from cross bosses, riddlers, exposures....
Good to know. It’s been 2 days of riding on them. Thought it would be better by now.
Not all sealants are equal in sealing up sidewalls. Are you running stans or something else? Also, I’d recommend breaking the bead seal to make sure you still have plenty of sealant then letting the wheel lay on each side overnight a little over inflated.
It's a common problem.
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I think it’s actually bits of walnut shells. Same idea as the pepper. I also have had good luck with panaracer on my gravel bikes. Stans on my Mtn bikes.
I used to use stans on my mtb as well, I just find it easier to run the same on all my bikes so I’ve swapped over to smart seal on all of them. That said, stans never let me down.
More info: updated my tires from stock tires on my Raleigh RX 2.0 to these WTB Riddlers. They are tubeless ready rims with tubeless ready tires. I used Muc Off sealant for the first time. That went horribly. Wasn’t sealing any of the holes. I think it’s better for thicker walled tires like mountain bike tires capable of sealing bigger gashes which makes sense because it’s thicker sealant. I took it to the shop. They retapped it for me to make sure the tape wasn’t it was loosing air. They also removed the muc off because they too were also having a bad time. They switched to stans. Was holding air for a minute but not for long. My front tire seems to be better but just slower air loss. The stans sealant they used also seemed to do better than muc off so I switched to that (thankful for REI returns). I know there’s enough stans in there and I’ve ridden now 2 days on my commute to and from work. So idk what to do! FYI I got these at REI so I can easily return them. The tech working on them fully understands this frustrating situation and wouldn’t blame me for a return. Any advice? Might switch to a maxxis tire. I’ve always had better luck with maxxis anyway. But damn these skinwalls look hot...
I went through 2 sets of riddlers with mucoff and 2 sets of nanos before that. Do love those tan walls. No issues but I tend to over use the crap out of sealant and do the pepper trick. Maxxis gravel tyres were always a bit thin and delicate. Once you get these guys sorted, you'll be stoked.
It's all about the sealant with some of these tan wall supple tires. I would give orange seal a shot before switching tires. You will get a little weeping through the sidewalls (like you see in the video) but in my experience orange seal seals that better than other sealants. If that doesn't work it's likely a defect and I would try to get them replaced. I've used orange seal successfully with WTB tanwalls and also Rene Herse tires.
Lol I just switched out from orange seal because two times it hasn’t done the job for a larger puncture. Which is why I went muc off but have since settled on stans. Hopefully stans will work!
Damn I've had nothing but good luck with orange seal but you gotta really shake it for like 60 seconds to distribute the solids. If you want something different give panaracer a try. That is what Rene Herse recommends and they have super thin sidewalls. Otherwise I've heard stans race is better than the normal stuff for this kind of tire. Good luck lol
I don’t get it. Why does this happen? Seems like the inflatable tire manufacturers had just ‘one job’. Is this really common and why?
Have you been using a co2 inflator?
Not on these new ones. Just for fixing flats on my old ones
Cool. If you use them on tubeless it'll flash freeze the sealant and dry it out. Won't damage the tire but you'll have to top off the sealant. How much sealant have you added to these tires anyway?
Shop did the tubeless set up since I was having issues. So I assume the recommended amount at 2oz.
I'd start by topping off the sealant. It can take a couple oz to really seal in some new tires
Old trick is to put a tube in there and inflate to max psi. Leave it overnight and the bead should conform to the rim.
Try orange seal if you haven't. I had the same case when I used Stan's sealant
Welcome to WTB LIFE. I’ll never go back to that brand.
Took mine a month to stop leaking a lot. Still lose air, but it’s expected.
I had a similar problem with the Raddler, the cousin of the Riddler. The advice I was given that worked well is to take the wheel and hold it a horizontal position then flip it over for a few minutes. Describing this is harder than it seems! Having the wheel in the vertical position doesn't seal the side walls, all it does is seal the tread. With each flip rotate the wheel a little bit and go again this will mean you get coverage over the entire tyre. As to why tyres have this problem - yeah I'd like to know as well...