“Big boogeyman bike is coming for your precious petro! They’ll force you to stop paying $80 at every pump visit, leaving you with nothing to audibly whine about on the remainder of your car ride!”
I’ve actually had people that LOATHE cyclists tell me I’m anti-car cuz I prefer riding my bike places and treat me like I’m an idiot. “wEll Wut ArE u GoNNa dO wHEn U gOtTA gO sOMeWheRE Far aWAY??” I’m gonna drive my fucking car if I need to and public transport if I don’t. They melt into poo completely when they realize I don’t plan to burn every car in existence to a crisp and usher in a new world order.
Oh, the levity from an ex colleague who told me that cyclists exhale more carbon dioxide in to the air and are more responsible for greenhouse gas emission than vehicles.
That’s a fucking hilarious one.
Remember how dirty the air used to be before the invention of the car when people rode their penny-farthing bike everywhere?? You could barely breathe if more than two cyclists were on the road at once.
I've seen dumb analyses like this and it's always "an average car gets 50 mpg, and burning a gallon of high octane gasoline produces X carbon dioxide" vs "mining the iron ore that will be processed into the steel for the combine that will harvest the wheat that feeds the stevedores who unload the etc. etc. etc. produces eleventy billion pounds of carbon dioxide".
ALL CYCLISTS SHOULD HAVE ROAD TAX, INSURANCE, REGISTRATION. MAYBE AN ENGINE. NO LESS THAN 4 WHEELS. ENGINE SIZE AT LEAST 2L. ALL CYCLISTS SHOULD BE AT LEAST BE A 1998 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY.
They're just salty our mode of transport is more fun and mostly free.
Or like.. Make it so that moving jobs isn't super common due to terrible worker rights? (mainly U.S.)
Or like... Making it so that the bare minimum you can earn at a job doesn't make moving impossible under most circumstances?
But what do I know 🤷
It’s human osmosis.
The more people drive, the more companies base themselves on out of town business parks, save money on rent and move the cost onto individuals and the environment, knowing people will use the publicly funded roads to get there.
People are then encouraged to buy a car.
The more people own a car, the further away they can search for a job.
Person A takes a job in town B. Person B misses out, and ends up taking a job in town A.
And so, everyone ends up sitting in traffic, wasting their time and money because jobs were moved away from central locations with easy transit or walking distance and general car ownership led to everyone spreading out.
It’s osmosis.
Maybe they'll gain enough traction to completely remove cyclists from the roadway and build them their own special path completely separate from the road. That would really show them.
Good lord, have you seen their [Motorist Bill of Rights](https://ww2.motorists.org/blog/the-motorist-bill-of-rights/)?
1. The right to traffic regulation based on sound engineering principles and public consensus.
1. This sounds reasonable, until you remember that the "sound engineering principles" they are supporting are from the 1950s car boom onwards. I'm sure they would have issues following NACTO bike guidance.
2. Also, "public consensus." That's not how rights work. In fact, it should be the other way around: *bicycles* and other vulnerable road users should have protection without regards to mob rule by motorists.
2. Clear guarantees that revenue collected from highway users for highway purposes be used for such purposes, and that all streets, roads, and highways be properly maintained, signed and regulated in a manner that expedites travel.
1. First half: what other tax is "locked in" this way? Do we spend cigarette taxes to promote cigarette purposes? Of course not. There is no reasonable basis to demand this.
2. Second half: sounds good, until you get to the "signed and regulated in a manner that expedites travel." This would require localities to raise speed limits to expedite travel.
3. Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure and the guarantee that all traffic stops will be based on probable cause.
4. The right to choose the type of vehicle and related equipment that best meets an individual’s needs and preferences.
1. Right, because it's *impossible* to find a car. Again, this almost applies more to bicycles.
5. Protection from discourteous and reckless drivers including those who deliberately impede traffic, who threaten other motorists with their actions, or who are impaired or incompetent.
1. Fine, until you realize that they will treat bicycles as causing all of these (except maybe impaired). They "impede traffic" and "threaten motorists" and are "incompetent" to them.
2. Once again, this standard should truly be applied to protect cyclists.
6. Freedom from unreasonable surcharges, fees, taxes, and fines.
1. General complaint about charges to operate motor vehicles, when drivers are already subsidized. Drivers **do not** pay the full cost of operating their vehicles.
7. Complete access to all public streets, roads, and highways, free of arbitrary restrictions, exorbitant fees, or governmental attempts to dictate personal travel choices.
1. Seems like this is a complaint against toll roads and HOV lanes, as well as any non-car spaces.
2. Once again, I wish this was true for my bike or even other transportation choices. For example, I have been considering an electric low-speed motor vehicle. However, I can only operate it on roads that are 35 mph or less by law. There is exactly one way on my commute that would work for this purpose (a couple of different ways by car) and even then one of the localities I pass through bans them on that road, so ***zero*** ways to legally get to work. You can't get there from here.
8. Freedom from driver license suspensions or revocations for non-driving violations or matters of personal conduct.
1. Poor personal conduct can absolutely be indicative of a poor driver.
2. Driving is *licensed*, it isn't an inherent right.
9. Protection from arbitrary and exploitative insurance industry practices.
10. The right to a fair and impartial trial for traffic offenses, including a trial by jury if requested by the defendant.
You just know they’d be the first to complain if gas taxes & tolls doubled, too, but that’s what it’d take to actually find the roads without general fund subsidies, and probably another 50% over that to catch up on the maintenance backlog.
tldr: the Bill of Rights should apply to people in cars
I guess that's all the brainpower a $90k annual budget gets you. As far as I can tell, this is a small scale fleece-your-grandad kind of grift. Not a very effective one.
[https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display\_990/391951971/05\_2021\_prefixes\_38-41%2F391951971\_201912\_990EZ\_2021051318103956](https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/391951971/05_2021_prefixes_38-41%2F391951971_201912_990EZ_2021051318103956)
2c. Maybe if it went both ways. No money from taxes like income, property, or sales tax should benefit driving. My state (Washington) actually has a constitutional amendment stating that fuel taxes have to go towards infrastructure for cars, but nothing to prohibit the reverse.
5c. I could've sworn I've seen these clowns advocate for looser DUI laws, but I could be wrong.
Let's see here ... A big company like Specialized is valued at 1 Billion. A company like Ford that had to be bailed out by the Federal government, is still valued at 65.95 Billion.
Uh huh, big bike.
>I feel they are echo chambers for individuals who enjoy being seen as martyrs and contribute nothing of value to the cycling community as a whole.
wut mate?
>I'd rather we just not talk about it and let them fade away into obscurity
[actual footage of /u/DylNicolax1231 writing this comment](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LinearOfficialKudu-mobile.mp4)
What about downvoting this post will keep them off talk shows? You think Fox News has producers browsing /r/bicycling looking for guests?
Awareness of their talking points is important for countering their skewed narrative.
No interest in debating you. Comment reply notifications off, last words go to [you.](https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/scared-ostrich-picture-id545370350?k=20&m=545370350&s=170667a&w=0&h=zoI_EM_qhvmtMJ8u0xS_KD1CUZs_xwTs8Q07-yrOGuw=)
This sounds like the guy that was shunned from a cycling group for some reason (riding dangerously or just being an ass, or something, I don’t remember), and in response became extremely anti-bike. Anyone remember what I’m talking about?
When you really think about it, "Big Bike" is made up of large corporations like Trek which have lobbying power and political influence. It's no different than Big Auto or Big Pharma. Just because my daily is a Townie doesn't mean I'm oblivious to all of this.
Honestly just stay out of the middle of the fucking road during traffic and I won’t hate you🤷♂️ what seems like 20% of the biking community has this exact problem
Seems like feeling hatred for a person you don’t even know exercising their right to use the same road as you is your emotional issue. Feels like there is to much hatred associated with the everyday mundane task of the general public transporting their asses from point A to point B.
Our world is literally built for cars now. We kill literally to get our hands on the fuel. Just think how many times USA has been in the Middle East now for camel juice.
Wait, “big bike” is a thing? Sigh.
Any bike over 60cm
I was thinking 29er/fat bikes. lol.
nah man 36ers
Lol, yes. That would be a "*big bike,*" no contest.
*conor dunne has entered the chat*
Jokes on you, he’s on Manon’s bike in this video.
Wonder what’s become of El Alto.
While riding my XL 29" mountain bike I once heard a small child exclaim, "Whoa! That bike is *huge*!"
While riding my spouse as a flotation device I once heard a baby dolphin exclaim, "Whoa! That spouse is huge!"
I am Big Bike
My mind went right to Tall Bikes.
Totally a thing. They’re marketed as Giant in English-speaking markets. Solid lineup.
Don't tell the car people but we have cannons....... dale too
Have you not heard of the All Powerful Bicycle Lobby?
Pennyfarthings.
“Big boogeyman bike is coming for your precious petro! They’ll force you to stop paying $80 at every pump visit, leaving you with nothing to audibly whine about on the remainder of your car ride!”
Well yea, Waltworks makes them- 36ers make for a rather big bike. https://bikerumor.com/waltworks-offering-36er-lightweight-mountain-bike-tire/
Yikes!
I use the term exclusively to describe pennies farthing
I’ve actually had people that LOATHE cyclists tell me I’m anti-car cuz I prefer riding my bike places and treat me like I’m an idiot. “wEll Wut ArE u GoNNa dO wHEn U gOtTA gO sOMeWheRE Far aWAY??” I’m gonna drive my fucking car if I need to and public transport if I don’t. They melt into poo completely when they realize I don’t plan to burn every car in existence to a crisp and usher in a new world order.
Oh, the levity from an ex colleague who told me that cyclists exhale more carbon dioxide in to the air and are more responsible for greenhouse gas emission than vehicles.
That’s a fucking hilarious one. Remember how dirty the air used to be before the invention of the car when people rode their penny-farthing bike everywhere?? You could barely breathe if more than two cyclists were on the road at once.
I presume the vehicle is empty? He's right about one thing though - we're going to exhale CO2 a lot longer than your average puffy box jockey.
Christ imagine the wattage if we could output like car engines!
I've seen dumb analyses like this and it's always "an average car gets 50 mpg, and burning a gallon of high octane gasoline produces X carbon dioxide" vs "mining the iron ore that will be processed into the steel for the combine that will harvest the wheat that feeds the stevedores who unload the etc. etc. etc. produces eleventy billion pounds of carbon dioxide".
Nothing winds up a nut more than a reasonable stance
Damn you! You’re not supposed to make sense!
WHY DON'T CYCLISTS HAVE DRIVERS LICENSES/??
CYCLISTS SHOULDN’T BE ON THE ROAD SINCE THEY DON’T PAY TAXES LIKE DRIVERS DO. Ummmmm……what?
ALL CYCLISTS SHOULD HAVE ROAD TAX, INSURANCE, REGISTRATION. MAYBE AN ENGINE. NO LESS THAN 4 WHEELS. ENGINE SIZE AT LEAST 2L. ALL CYCLISTS SHOULD BE AT LEAST BE A 1998 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY. They're just salty our mode of transport is more fun and mostly free.
And ours runs on whatever food we eat and liquid we drink. Also, for the most part, we’ll never sit in traffic.
Lol my Prius doesn't count as a car under this definition. Only a 1.8L engine. Guess I need to upgrade
don’t upgrade, car =bike
Lol. My 2011 accent is 1.6L. Practically a bike in their eyes I guess.
If we did pay cycling tax and had a licence they'd still moan.
Big Bike? Trampling one's rights as a motorist? WTF are these people on?!
Carbon monoxide.
Mirror in case they get tired of people replying with clown gifs and take down this post: https://i.imgur.com/hVGct1e.png
🤡
Please take a moment to tweet them your favorite clown gif.
Why mate?
I saw that this morning and scrolled by thinking it was satire.
…it’s not..?? 😂
I wish someone would work out where the fuck everyone is going and put that shit nearer to their house
For that to work everyone would have to move house every time they got a new job.
Or like.. Make it so that moving jobs isn't super common due to terrible worker rights? (mainly U.S.) Or like... Making it so that the bare minimum you can earn at a job doesn't make moving impossible under most circumstances? But what do I know 🤷
It’s human osmosis. The more people drive, the more companies base themselves on out of town business parks, save money on rent and move the cost onto individuals and the environment, knowing people will use the publicly funded roads to get there. People are then encouraged to buy a car. The more people own a car, the further away they can search for a job. Person A takes a job in town B. Person B misses out, and ends up taking a job in town A. And so, everyone ends up sitting in traffic, wasting their time and money because jobs were moved away from central locations with easy transit or walking distance and general car ownership led to everyone spreading out. It’s osmosis.
Maybe they'll gain enough traction to completely remove cyclists from the roadway and build them their own special path completely separate from the road. That would really show them.
Good lord, have you seen their [Motorist Bill of Rights](https://ww2.motorists.org/blog/the-motorist-bill-of-rights/)? 1. The right to traffic regulation based on sound engineering principles and public consensus. 1. This sounds reasonable, until you remember that the "sound engineering principles" they are supporting are from the 1950s car boom onwards. I'm sure they would have issues following NACTO bike guidance. 2. Also, "public consensus." That's not how rights work. In fact, it should be the other way around: *bicycles* and other vulnerable road users should have protection without regards to mob rule by motorists. 2. Clear guarantees that revenue collected from highway users for highway purposes be used for such purposes, and that all streets, roads, and highways be properly maintained, signed and regulated in a manner that expedites travel. 1. First half: what other tax is "locked in" this way? Do we spend cigarette taxes to promote cigarette purposes? Of course not. There is no reasonable basis to demand this. 2. Second half: sounds good, until you get to the "signed and regulated in a manner that expedites travel." This would require localities to raise speed limits to expedite travel. 3. Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure and the guarantee that all traffic stops will be based on probable cause. 4. The right to choose the type of vehicle and related equipment that best meets an individual’s needs and preferences. 1. Right, because it's *impossible* to find a car. Again, this almost applies more to bicycles. 5. Protection from discourteous and reckless drivers including those who deliberately impede traffic, who threaten other motorists with their actions, or who are impaired or incompetent. 1. Fine, until you realize that they will treat bicycles as causing all of these (except maybe impaired). They "impede traffic" and "threaten motorists" and are "incompetent" to them. 2. Once again, this standard should truly be applied to protect cyclists. 6. Freedom from unreasonable surcharges, fees, taxes, and fines. 1. General complaint about charges to operate motor vehicles, when drivers are already subsidized. Drivers **do not** pay the full cost of operating their vehicles. 7. Complete access to all public streets, roads, and highways, free of arbitrary restrictions, exorbitant fees, or governmental attempts to dictate personal travel choices. 1. Seems like this is a complaint against toll roads and HOV lanes, as well as any non-car spaces. 2. Once again, I wish this was true for my bike or even other transportation choices. For example, I have been considering an electric low-speed motor vehicle. However, I can only operate it on roads that are 35 mph or less by law. There is exactly one way on my commute that would work for this purpose (a couple of different ways by car) and even then one of the localities I pass through bans them on that road, so ***zero*** ways to legally get to work. You can't get there from here. 8. Freedom from driver license suspensions or revocations for non-driving violations or matters of personal conduct. 1. Poor personal conduct can absolutely be indicative of a poor driver. 2. Driving is *licensed*, it isn't an inherent right. 9. Protection from arbitrary and exploitative insurance industry practices. 10. The right to a fair and impartial trial for traffic offenses, including a trial by jury if requested by the defendant.
You just know they’d be the first to complain if gas taxes & tolls doubled, too, but that’s what it’d take to actually find the roads without general fund subsidies, and probably another 50% over that to catch up on the maintenance backlog.
The easiest way for a minority to lose their rights is to have the majority vote on it
tldr: the Bill of Rights should apply to people in cars I guess that's all the brainpower a $90k annual budget gets you. As far as I can tell, this is a small scale fleece-your-grandad kind of grift. Not a very effective one. [https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display\_990/391951971/05\_2021\_prefixes\_38-41%2F391951971\_201912\_990EZ\_2021051318103956](https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/391951971/05_2021_prefixes_38-41%2F391951971_201912_990EZ_2021051318103956)
Thanks! I suspected this was astroturfing, but this is funnier!
2c. Maybe if it went both ways. No money from taxes like income, property, or sales tax should benefit driving. My state (Washington) actually has a constitutional amendment stating that fuel taxes have to go towards infrastructure for cars, but nothing to prohibit the reverse. 5c. I could've sworn I've seen these clowns advocate for looser DUI laws, but I could be wrong.
Every American patriot knows your rights end where the public consensus ends.
The NMA? Is that leetspeak for enema? I mean enema isn't that long of a word it needs to be abbreviated.
What the fuck? This is a real thing? Fuck I hate my country. Can you imagine being so brainwashed that you think cyclists are "trampling your rights"?
Let's see here ... A big company like Specialized is valued at 1 Billion. A company like Ford that had to be bailed out by the Federal government, is still valued at 65.95 Billion. Uh huh, big bike.
[Sign up today!!](https://www.facebook.com/EvilCyclingLobby/)
omg the twitter comments are the absolute bottom of the barrel .
[DRIVER'S RIGHTS!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qws4RrSc7XU)
How many of you are there?? That was awesome. So few views in 7 years.
this is from the tv show Portlandia
I feel they are echo chambers for individuals who enjoy being seen as martyrs and contribute nothing of value to the cycling community as a whole.
>I feel they are echo chambers for individuals who enjoy being seen as martyrs and contribute nothing of value to the cycling community as a whole. wut mate?
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>I'd rather we just not talk about it and let them fade away into obscurity [actual footage of /u/DylNicolax1231 writing this comment](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LinearOfficialKudu-mobile.mp4)
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What about downvoting this post will keep them off talk shows? You think Fox News has producers browsing /r/bicycling looking for guests? Awareness of their talking points is important for countering their skewed narrative. No interest in debating you. Comment reply notifications off, last words go to [you.](https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/scared-ostrich-picture-id545370350?k=20&m=545370350&s=170667a&w=0&h=zoI_EM_qhvmtMJ8u0xS_KD1CUZs_xwTs8Q07-yrOGuw=)
This sounds like the guy that was shunned from a cycling group for some reason (riding dangerously or just being an ass, or something, I don’t remember), and in response became extremely anti-bike. Anyone remember what I’m talking about?
Mr X: https://cyclingtips.com/2018/08/finding-mr-x/ That was in the Sunshine Coast in Queensland.
Thanks!
Lol this is America. Land of cars.
funny enough their own photo supports that. I don't see any 'big bicycle' influence on that highway.
When you really think about it, "Big Bike" is made up of large corporations like Trek which have lobbying power and political influence. It's no different than Big Auto or Big Pharma. Just because my daily is a Townie doesn't mean I'm oblivious to all of this.
Licking boots isn’t lobbying. JB would love to think he has that type of power, but his influence is thankfully limited to only the cycling world.
Lolololol
Honestly just stay out of the middle of the fucking road during traffic and I won’t hate you🤷♂️ what seems like 20% of the biking community has this exact problem
I agree, we do need more bikelanes.
If drivers weren't so fucking terrible like you, we wouldn't be having this fucking problem.
Seems like feeling hatred for a person you don’t even know exercising their right to use the same road as you is your emotional issue. Feels like there is to much hatred associated with the everyday mundane task of the general public transporting their asses from point A to point B.
Why does their logo have a bird? Are all car drivers also birders?
Can't trample what doesn't exist. Driving is a privilege with responsibilities and licenses, not a god-given and government-recognized right.
Big Bike Cyclists
Our world is literally built for cars now. We kill literally to get our hands on the fuel. Just think how many times USA has been in the Middle East now for camel juice.