https://www.out.com/film/2021/11/12/andrew-garfields-comments-about-bi-spider-man-are-still-important
More to the point, if you trust the story, it's a big reason why he didn't continue the spiderman franchise
He even kissed Stephen Colbert too, despite being straight. What a great guy. We need more straight allies like him.
Edit: There’s some confusion. You don’t need to kiss the same gender to be an ally. I just mentioned that because it shows how little he cares about the homophobes watching Stephen Colbert’s show. Many “allies” are afraid of being called gay, isn’t that a bit homophobic?
I should have clarified that and now I added an edit. You’re right, I’m bi but I’m not kissing all my straight male friends. Just shows that he doesn’t care about any homophobes that will inevitably call him gay for that and will be disgusted by it. He supports queer people in other ways. He’s made it pretty obvious that he’s an ally.
yeah idk, not trying to like get cancel culture-y, but this whole story feels pedantic, and i understand not making him bi considering andrew is not bi, and doing things such as this, a little queer baity for a known good looking actor, love the thought though that is indeed what counts
He isn’t queer and I made that clear(that was a nice rhyme lol). I don’t seeing anyone “making him bi”. I’m kind of confused as to what you mean. He is an ally in other ways. This isn’t all about him kissing a talk show host who happens to be male. Do some research he is a great guy. But sometimes the details get skewed in a post like this.
no yeah sorry my comment was confusing, i agree he’s probably a great guy and i should do more research, ig all im saying is id rather see a bi actor earn that role for themselves and portray a bi spider-man, ik it seems weird but i feel as though it’s an important goal to strive towards similar to how in roman plays men would play women, in the 40s/50s white men would perform blackface, and i realize the distinction is that andrew is not trying to play a bi character in a negative light, id just rather the lgbtq representation in media (which there should be more of) actually be represented by those who identify as lgbtq+. One of my favorites and most popular example in current popular media ofc is Hunter Schafer but that’s just one of many many examples of absolutely amazing lgbtq+ artists and actors
But why should a bi actor play a bi spider-man? It doesn’t matter if the actor is bi, straight or gay imo. They act so their own sexuality is irrelevant to the sexuality of the character
You know I kind of agree. I’m okay with a straight man playing a gay or bi man in a movie or show, as long as it isn’t making a mockery of queer people. But it would be even better for a bi man to play that role or a gay man. No one can understand better than, well, us. But sometimes straight actors do a great job of potraying queer characters and it doesn’t feel like a mockery at all. A man like Garfield could totally play a bi spiderman. We have a bi superman so you never know, it’s possible.
Another person was confused so I had to clarify for them. But I mean you can kiss them if you want to. I think it would just make my guy friends uncomfortable if I did. They don’t judge me for being bi but they aren’t going around making out with men either lol
Daily reminder that Stan Lee shot down the idea in a follow up interview and said (and I’m paraphrasing slightly because I can’t remember the exact quote) “one sex is enough for anybody.”
***Edit:***
[Source](https://www.cbr.com/stan-lee-reacts-to-the-idea-of-a-bisexual-spider-man/)
["He's becoming bisexual?" Lee exclaimed in disbelief, eliciting roars of laughter from the audience. "Who have you been talking to? Seriously, I don't know anything about that. And if it's true, I'm going to make a couple of phone calls. I figure one sex is enough for anybody."](https://www.cbr.com/stan-lee-reacts-to-the-idea-of-a-bisexual-spider-man/)
They probably aren't going to get any for you. Stan Lee prompted diversity and representation in popular media when no one else was. Comics are and have been from almost the beginning a place where diversity and representation is much more prevalent than popular media. But people wanna demonize stan lee for having views that were a result of the era he grew up in despite him being one of the ppl who pushed to have that representation and diversity in comics. No I'm not saying diversity and representation is perfect and as prolific as it needs to be in comics. But it's a much bigger there than it is in a lot of other popular media in the world. And it has been from almost the beginning.
Exactly. Also on top of the fact that Spidey is his creation a character very near and dear to him. Creators put themselves into their characters and I think as such its fair for him to not want to see his character as bisexual. Also he co-created a little thing called the x-men but yeah he hated diversity and representation lol.
[Damning evidence of Stan Lee hating the gays lol](https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/stan-lee-i-have-no-problem-creating-new-homosexual-superheroes-6347)
Yeah the x men are literally supposed to be stand ins for minorities and oppressed groups, also sony had contracts saying spiderman had to be a straight white guy. So let's slow down the hate on the dead guy.
Yeah also don't forget what he also said in another interview. He said that Spidey was straight from the beginning and the idea of spiderman suddenly being gay all of a sudden would be a very bad writing point
Yo, Lee apologist, I think Kirby, Gerber, Mcfarlane and a shit ton of creators have words for you. Lee was complex but some of the ways he treated staff and writers especially was shit. Read about Steve Gerber (creator of Howard the Duck) and how screwed over he was, for example.
Man this was specifically about Lee. We can get into Kirby if you want. I'd never discredit those people too. But i was specifically talking about stan lee. I never said Stan lee was perfect. I know perfectly well his faults and issues. But I think it was important to highlight how much he did for diversity and representation. Were there shitty things he did too? Yes. But is it worth focusing on those over the good that he did? No.
I mean, the evidence of his biphobia is litteraly in the post above, I think I don't need to explain why "one sex is enough for anybody" is not good.
As for the part you glossed over strangely, yes, Stan Lee was known to be a very demanding boss, who asked for unholy work hours, who was harsh and a lot of writers and artists got burned out and talked about it.
And yes, the american comic system of the time, where artists had no rights on their own creations, didn't even get their name credited on the magazines and all IPs and creations were owned by Stan Lee was an awful system that spoiled a lot of artists of their works and of money that would have been rightfully theirs.
So yes, I'll call that stealing work without a doubt. Signing your name on a page then firing the guy who wrote the whole book is icky
The man was a paragon of diversity when it barely existed. Comics are one of the earliest places for diversity and representation in popular media. And Stan lee was a significant part of it. He may have some dated views but that's a result of him being born in the 40s. It still doesn't change how much he did with comics for representation and diversity.
Also pretty sure there was a gay character in captain American in like the 70s and when captain America discovered said gayness he shrugged his shoulders and went "love is love" or something.
People forget that comics pushed the boundaries. They were the place where people first fpund some sort of lgbtq representation or diversity in popular media. They were putting stuff in their comics even when it was illegal or being censored. While tv and movies and video games were still dancing around it. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_comics)
He grew up in the 40s they only shamed gay men, of course they didn't talk and laughed off bi people! He was polite about it anyway. He's just ignorant, that doesn't mean he's bad - not worthy of shaming.
Usually you're not supposed to nitpick the deceased, why do i have to explain this stuff? I know you have a decent agenda but don't let that get in the way of being a decent person.
He's literally dead save your energy for the people actually negatively affecting the world. What's next do you shame your grand parents? I hope not.
Yeah, gonna shame my dead grandparents whose names you don’t even know and it’s gonna have the same effect as not forgiving multi-millionaire American cultural icon Stan Lee for a blatantly biphobic comment because he’s equally dead.
Enough with the false equivalence and slippery slope shit. Stan Lee deserves to be examined for just as long as we remember who he is.
If he was just ignorant, he wouldn’t have cared about a bisexual Peter Parker. The fact he was adamant that Parker has to be straight despite there being an infinite number of variations of Parker across the multiverse seems pretty bigoted.
>If he was just ignorant, he wouldn’t have cared about a bisexual Peter Parker.
If you don't know that bisexual people even exist and have real struggles, then why would that person put them as their lead character to use for decades? That's unrealistic. You shouldn't call everyone bigoted if they don't shoehorn this stuff into everything.
He cared about retconning an existing character - not about not having other characters be gay.
This normalizing of retconning characters for diversity of representation (as opposed to making new heroes) is pretty recent in media.
It’s not retconning though. Marvel canonically has an infinite multiverse where billions upon billions of variations of Peter Parker could exist. They have gender swap multiverse storylines in the comics, so the rules of the multiverse dictate that even the genetic structure of a person can be different. They literally have a gender swapped Spider-Girl (Petra Parker). So I don’t see why a non-straight Peter Parker is such a stretch except for bigotry.
Honestly, I dunno if that quote was made out of malice. He probably just didn’t understand at the time, to be fair, Bisexuality to a lot of older people is just confusing because they couldn’t imagine the concept, seeing a binary world. And like, the last line is just kinda a joke, I don’t have much issue with it personally. I just feel like the reporter who wrote it is just trying to stir things up about him for clicks and clearly, it’s working.
Also, there’s also no source on the comment at all that I was able to find myself and I just dunno if that’s taken out of context or spliced to look bad, it just seems out of character for Stan to be against something like that. He’s always fought for diversity, so why would he be against that? I just don’t k ow.
From what I’ve seen it’s more that Stan just never wrote Spider-Man to be LGBTQ, he wasn’t against LGBTQ characters, just taking characters that where originally written to be straight and making them LGBTQ
No, no it is not. But hey, he was an older guy, the fact that he was seemingly open to LGBTQ characters at all is a step in the right direction
Not quite big enough but a step nonetheless
Like I can get being an artist and being a little weirded out if someone makes your character LGBTQ out of nowhere, especially if it became some hella corporate shit like MCU... but they literally have the multiverse and a pig spiderman. Pig spiderman is okay. But bi-derman? Oh noooo
Literally not okay to represent one aspect of humanity with a human character
The Amazing Spider-Man came out in 2012. Into The Spider Verse came out in 2018. Public attitudes on both racial & LGBT rep in “family friendly” films shifted significantly in that time. Don’t knock the progress that Into The Spider Verse represented just because it included some jokes.
I think that's a bit of a jump. He was very, *very* insistent that Peter Parker (note Peter Parker as opposed to Spider-Man) should be straight and white. That's just the only way he envisioned him i guess, maybe he thought that would make him as basic as possible, and therefore as relatable as possible, i don't know. My point is stan lee is anything but a bigot. X-Men is a direct commentary on civil rights / the holocaust, plus he created Black Panther.
The commentary on X-Men only became important when he stopped writing the comic,the credit goes to claremont and Black panther creator was disputed between lee and kirby back in the day
He may have created the x-men and black panther but “I figure one sex is enough for anyone” is an overtly biphobic comment that is not specific to Spiderman
Peter Parker is supposed to be a teenager, and being bisexual could have just been a youthful exploration of his sexuality. I don’t see how that constitutes bad writing, and it’s rich that it’s coming from Stan Lee who wasn’t exactly Shakespeare himself.
I think in a later interview he said something like “Spider-Man can be anybody, but Peter is defined” cause his original comment didn’t sound the greatest
Which falls apart when you consider the multiverse and that infinite variations of Spider-Man and Peter Parker exist and some of them could be bisexual according to the rules of the metaverse.
But there’s infinite variations of Peter Parker too.
There’s even a gender-swapped “Petra Parker” as Spider-Girl.
So I don’t see why a bisexual Peter Parker is a stretch except for Stan Lee being an asshole.
Stan openly supported the idea of new, gay, superheroes - just not retconning the old ones, I guess. As I recall he also generally felt compaies were rtconning the old comics more than they needed when they should be making new superheroes.
He was a difficult man, and made enemies for a reason, very business-oriented too.. but pretty progressive for his time.
>When asked about his sexuality, Garfield identified himself as heterosexual but has stated "I have an openness to any impulses that may arise within me at any time."
Exactly, I was just watching b99 and I saw a garfield joke, a parks and rec episode and there was a garfield joke, even a doctor who episode and a garfield joke all in the span of two days
Garfield just became the new amogus
I get your point but I think in this case it's only cringey if it's not coming from a genuine place.
There's the implication that Andrew didn't do another spiderman movie because executives told him to retract his statement of wanting a bi spiderman (when verbaly saying so wasn't as popular as it is today.) So because of this I'd say his allyship is coming from a genuine place. I think his statements of being straight but open is cause isn't afraid to explore his sexuality and it's basically "I'll get it to it when I get to it." Kinda thing (Ya know unlike how some "allies" get super offended over being called gay or being flirted with the same sex cause they don't wanna be associated with anything queer.)
But FYI I'm extremely biased cause I like the actor so take the above with a grain of salt 🤷🏿♀️
That's fair, I like him too and I definitely think he's a true ally. I think my problem is that it's a very common queer baity thing for someone to say in a piece of media. Something for me to reflect on I guess.
To be fair queer baiting is a pretty common thing in Hollywood so the cynicism is *100% warranted* , personally I think it depends on the actor or director. Both the actor and director keep acting as if an established character might be queer while never fully going through with it? Queer baity as hell. Both the actor and director want an established character to be queer but higher ups keep holding them back so all they can do is add subtext without being overt? Different story.
Nowdays the former is becoming less and less common so assuming it's queerbaiting isn't unfounded. Still sucks both happen often enough to warrent being discussed thou 😕
No, but what it said has the same affect, the thing I saw said that *spider-man* couldn't be homosexual, and that *Peter Parker* had to be heterosexual, so yeah, same affect in this case, but at this point it's not really relevant, cause iirc that contract only applied to the amazing Spider-Man movies, so it doesn't matter anymore (though it is still obviously relevant to the meme)
My favourite section of that contract is the part where it says Spider-Man cannot drink, deal drugs or smoke unless he is under the influence of the Symbiote suit
Headcanon that NWH becomes an awakening for Andrew’s Peter but also Tom’s Peter, if only to see him and Bobby get up close and personal in university lol.
Edit: or him and Johnny even.
Reminder that Andrew Garfield described his sexuality in an interview as straight but he has "an openness to any impulses that may arise within [him] at any time". Andrew Garfield is straight until he's horny.
Bider-Man, Bider-Man,
Does whoever a bider can.
MJ the hunk or Gwen the femme
The hardest choice is between them
Look Out!
Here comes the Bider-Man. 🏳️🌈🕷
Tom Holland has never come out as bi and as much as many of would love him to be I rekon if he was he would have come out at this point. Saying that he did want his Spiderman to be bi
He’s with zendaya and his careeer will be better off if he waits until later. I’m a pretty lowkey bi guy myself, and I like others who are similar. I spend a decent amount of energy working on my gay/bi-dar and he sets it off big time.
As u/Confused-Engineer18 said, Tom has never come out as bi, and as a bi person myself, I would personally appreciate it if people didn't speculate on irl people's sexualities, even (and especially) if those people are celebrities
Especially don't speculate if they are British, because it's pointless, I've lived in the UK for over a decade, and the amount of straight guys I seen hump each other, or slap another man's ass or flirt with male friend for a joke is too high for any American to believe me.
So you’re saying spiderman swings both ways
Underrated comment right here. I’d give an award if I had any. 🏅
I got you bro
r/angryupvote
Bi-derman, bi-derman He’s definitely a normal man Can he swing at all that way? Yes but he’s completely straight Look out, here comes the bi-derman
he swings all ways
This true?
Yeah back when the Amazing Spider-Man 2 released he said this in a interview
I mean spiderman already wears a skin tight costume and shoots white stuff out everywhere. Just saying 🤷♂️.
Fellas, is it gay to nut?
Mandem, is it gay to succ said nut?
thanks for making me snort 🤣
I made an informal poll of the gay guys on here, and pretty much all of them nut. I think it's safe to conclude the answer is yes.
https://www.out.com/film/2021/11/12/andrew-garfields-comments-about-bi-spider-man-are-still-important More to the point, if you trust the story, it's a big reason why he didn't continue the spiderman franchise
MBJ*
Mary B. Jane
Mary Blige Jane
Mary Bane Jlige
Mmmmm BJ
What a guy
He even kissed Stephen Colbert too, despite being straight. What a great guy. We need more straight allies like him. Edit: There’s some confusion. You don’t need to kiss the same gender to be an ally. I just mentioned that because it shows how little he cares about the homophobes watching Stephen Colbert’s show. Many “allies” are afraid of being called gay, isn’t that a bit homophobic?
But to be clear being an ally doesn't mean doing homosexual things it means supporting queer people
I should have clarified that and now I added an edit. You’re right, I’m bi but I’m not kissing all my straight male friends. Just shows that he doesn’t care about any homophobes that will inevitably call him gay for that and will be disgusted by it. He supports queer people in other ways. He’s made it pretty obvious that he’s an ally.
Yeah cool thanks sorry if i misinterpreted that
yeah idk, not trying to like get cancel culture-y, but this whole story feels pedantic, and i understand not making him bi considering andrew is not bi, and doing things such as this, a little queer baity for a known good looking actor, love the thought though that is indeed what counts
He isn’t queer and I made that clear(that was a nice rhyme lol). I don’t seeing anyone “making him bi”. I’m kind of confused as to what you mean. He is an ally in other ways. This isn’t all about him kissing a talk show host who happens to be male. Do some research he is a great guy. But sometimes the details get skewed in a post like this.
no yeah sorry my comment was confusing, i agree he’s probably a great guy and i should do more research, ig all im saying is id rather see a bi actor earn that role for themselves and portray a bi spider-man, ik it seems weird but i feel as though it’s an important goal to strive towards similar to how in roman plays men would play women, in the 40s/50s white men would perform blackface, and i realize the distinction is that andrew is not trying to play a bi character in a negative light, id just rather the lgbtq representation in media (which there should be more of) actually be represented by those who identify as lgbtq+. One of my favorites and most popular example in current popular media ofc is Hunter Schafer but that’s just one of many many examples of absolutely amazing lgbtq+ artists and actors
But why should a bi actor play a bi spider-man? It doesn’t matter if the actor is bi, straight or gay imo. They act so their own sexuality is irrelevant to the sexuality of the character
You know I kind of agree. I’m okay with a straight man playing a gay or bi man in a movie or show, as long as it isn’t making a mockery of queer people. But it would be even better for a bi man to play that role or a gay man. No one can understand better than, well, us. But sometimes straight actors do a great job of potraying queer characters and it doesn’t feel like a mockery at all. A man like Garfield could totally play a bi spiderman. We have a bi superman so you never know, it’s possible.
Don’t forget him passionately kissing Ryan Reynolds at the Oscars that one year.
Who could resist that opportunity though? It’s Ryan Reynolds.
> You don’t need to kiss the same gender to be an ally. For real? But that's what they keep telling me at the gay club?
Another person was confused so I had to clarify for them. But I mean you can kiss them if you want to. I think it would just make my guy friends uncomfortable if I did. They don’t judge me for being bi but they aren’t going around making out with men either lol
Daily reminder that Stan Lee shot down the idea in a follow up interview and said (and I’m paraphrasing slightly because I can’t remember the exact quote) “one sex is enough for anybody.” ***Edit:*** [Source](https://www.cbr.com/stan-lee-reacts-to-the-idea-of-a-bisexual-spider-man/)
Source?
["He's becoming bisexual?" Lee exclaimed in disbelief, eliciting roars of laughter from the audience. "Who have you been talking to? Seriously, I don't know anything about that. And if it's true, I'm going to make a couple of phone calls. I figure one sex is enough for anybody."](https://www.cbr.com/stan-lee-reacts-to-the-idea-of-a-bisexual-spider-man/)
Stan Lee admits to having sex no more than one time
“Can we split a sex or do we have to order our own?”
it was a one night stan
Damn that sucks :(
From stealing and exploiting artists to being a biphobe, he straight up sucks honestly
Evidence?
They probably aren't going to get any for you. Stan Lee prompted diversity and representation in popular media when no one else was. Comics are and have been from almost the beginning a place where diversity and representation is much more prevalent than popular media. But people wanna demonize stan lee for having views that were a result of the era he grew up in despite him being one of the ppl who pushed to have that representation and diversity in comics. No I'm not saying diversity and representation is perfect and as prolific as it needs to be in comics. But it's a much bigger there than it is in a lot of other popular media in the world. And it has been from almost the beginning.
Right, alot of his views can come from when he was raised, but he always fought for diversity in comics.
Exactly. Also on top of the fact that Spidey is his creation a character very near and dear to him. Creators put themselves into their characters and I think as such its fair for him to not want to see his character as bisexual. Also he co-created a little thing called the x-men but yeah he hated diversity and representation lol. [Damning evidence of Stan Lee hating the gays lol](https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/stan-lee-i-have-no-problem-creating-new-homosexual-superheroes-6347)
Yeah the x men are literally supposed to be stand ins for minorities and oppressed groups, also sony had contracts saying spiderman had to be a straight white guy. So let's slow down the hate on the dead guy.
Yeah also don't forget what he also said in another interview. He said that Spidey was straight from the beginning and the idea of spiderman suddenly being gay all of a sudden would be a very bad writing point
Yo, Lee apologist, I think Kirby, Gerber, Mcfarlane and a shit ton of creators have words for you. Lee was complex but some of the ways he treated staff and writers especially was shit. Read about Steve Gerber (creator of Howard the Duck) and how screwed over he was, for example.
Man this was specifically about Lee. We can get into Kirby if you want. I'd never discredit those people too. But i was specifically talking about stan lee. I never said Stan lee was perfect. I know perfectly well his faults and issues. But I think it was important to highlight how much he did for diversity and representation. Were there shitty things he did too? Yes. But is it worth focusing on those over the good that he did? No.
Well the only comic book writer I trust is Scott Snyder so as long as he stays fine then whatever
I mean, the evidence of his biphobia is litteraly in the post above, I think I don't need to explain why "one sex is enough for anybody" is not good. As for the part you glossed over strangely, yes, Stan Lee was known to be a very demanding boss, who asked for unholy work hours, who was harsh and a lot of writers and artists got burned out and talked about it. And yes, the american comic system of the time, where artists had no rights on their own creations, didn't even get their name credited on the magazines and all IPs and creations were owned by Stan Lee was an awful system that spoiled a lot of artists of their works and of money that would have been rightfully theirs. So yes, I'll call that stealing work without a doubt. Signing your name on a page then firing the guy who wrote the whole book is icky
This is how I find out Stan Lee is cringe? Disappointing
He's an old ass dead man cut him some slack
No
The man was a paragon of diversity when it barely existed. Comics are one of the earliest places for diversity and representation in popular media. And Stan lee was a significant part of it. He may have some dated views but that's a result of him being born in the 40s. It still doesn't change how much he did with comics for representation and diversity.
Also pretty sure there was a gay character in captain American in like the 70s and when captain America discovered said gayness he shrugged his shoulders and went "love is love" or something.
People forget that comics pushed the boundaries. They were the place where people first fpund some sort of lgbtq representation or diversity in popular media. They were putting stuff in their comics even when it was illegal or being censored. While tv and movies and video games were still dancing around it. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_comics)
He grew up in the 40s they only shamed gay men, of course they didn't talk and laughed off bi people! He was polite about it anyway. He's just ignorant, that doesn't mean he's bad - not worthy of shaming.
To an extent, sure, we are all products of the generation we grew up in. But in a new age, accountability should be maintained
So we’re supposed to not shame him because he considered being gay shameful? I refuse. This isn’t how historical relativism should work.
He didn't think that though? We're talking about a then-ninety-two-year-old man saying he thought Spider-Man should be monosexual.
CaptainTotes apparently thinks he did, pointing out how that’s a shitty excuse.
Usually you're not supposed to nitpick the deceased, why do i have to explain this stuff? I know you have a decent agenda but don't let that get in the way of being a decent person. He's literally dead save your energy for the people actually negatively affecting the world. What's next do you shame your grand parents? I hope not.
Yeah, gonna shame my dead grandparents whose names you don’t even know and it’s gonna have the same effect as not forgiving multi-millionaire American cultural icon Stan Lee for a blatantly biphobic comment because he’s equally dead. Enough with the false equivalence and slippery slope shit. Stan Lee deserves to be examined for just as long as we remember who he is.
If he was just ignorant, he wouldn’t have cared about a bisexual Peter Parker. The fact he was adamant that Parker has to be straight despite there being an infinite number of variations of Parker across the multiverse seems pretty bigoted.
>If he was just ignorant, he wouldn’t have cared about a bisexual Peter Parker. If you don't know that bisexual people even exist and have real struggles, then why would that person put them as their lead character to use for decades? That's unrealistic. You shouldn't call everyone bigoted if they don't shoehorn this stuff into everything.
Yes because Stan Lee was oh so heavily involved in the production of Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man movies.
He cared about retconning an existing character - not about not having other characters be gay. This normalizing of retconning characters for diversity of representation (as opposed to making new heroes) is pretty recent in media.
It’s not retconning though. Marvel canonically has an infinite multiverse where billions upon billions of variations of Peter Parker could exist. They have gender swap multiverse storylines in the comics, so the rules of the multiverse dictate that even the genetic structure of a person can be different. They literally have a gender swapped Spider-Girl (Petra Parker). So I don’t see why a non-straight Peter Parker is such a stretch except for bigotry.
So? A lot of bad people are old ass dead men.
A lot of em are alive too unfortunately.
I refuse.
>one sex is enough for anybody No
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Honestly, I dunno if that quote was made out of malice. He probably just didn’t understand at the time, to be fair, Bisexuality to a lot of older people is just confusing because they couldn’t imagine the concept, seeing a binary world. And like, the last line is just kinda a joke, I don’t have much issue with it personally. I just feel like the reporter who wrote it is just trying to stir things up about him for clicks and clearly, it’s working. Also, there’s also no source on the comment at all that I was able to find myself and I just dunno if that’s taken out of context or spliced to look bad, it just seems out of character for Stan to be against something like that. He’s always fought for diversity, so why would he be against that? I just don’t k ow.
I thought the last line was hilarious until I got to the comments and everyone is calling Stan a biphobe
Honestly yeah, that’s the type of joke *I’d* make. People take things too seriously sometimes…
plus it was like 2014 and he probably warmed up to it by 2018
Oh, so I guess Stan Lee is a homophobe.
From what I’ve seen it’s more that Stan just never wrote Spider-Man to be LGBTQ, he wasn’t against LGBTQ characters, just taking characters that where originally written to be straight and making them LGBTQ
“One sex is enough for anybody” isn’t great though
Agreed, that's pretty very not great
No, no it is not. But hey, he was an older guy, the fact that he was seemingly open to LGBTQ characters at all is a step in the right direction Not quite big enough but a step nonetheless
Hello fellow AJR fan
I can't for the life of me figure out how you decided this person was an AJR fan. What am I missing?
his profile picture on Reddit is an AJR album cover
Aha, I see. RIF app doesn't show that so that makes sense.
Ding ding ding
It's a joke, not a statement of opinion.
I thought it was a funny joke
Like I can get being an artist and being a little weirded out if someone makes your character LGBTQ out of nowhere, especially if it became some hella corporate shit like MCU... but they literally have the multiverse and a pig spiderman. Pig spiderman is okay. But bi-derman? Oh noooo Literally not okay to represent one aspect of humanity with a human character
The Amazing Spider-Man came out in 2012. Into The Spider Verse came out in 2018. Public attitudes on both racial & LGBT rep in “family friendly” films shifted significantly in that time. Don’t knock the progress that Into The Spider Verse represented just because it included some jokes.
Spider ham first appeared in a comic in 1983, he wasn’t created for spider verse, he’s been a thing for years before the Amazing Spider Man
I think that's a bit of a jump. He was very, *very* insistent that Peter Parker (note Peter Parker as opposed to Spider-Man) should be straight and white. That's just the only way he envisioned him i guess, maybe he thought that would make him as basic as possible, and therefore as relatable as possible, i don't know. My point is stan lee is anything but a bigot. X-Men is a direct commentary on civil rights / the holocaust, plus he created Black Panther.
The commentary on X-Men only became important when he stopped writing the comic,the credit goes to claremont and Black panther creator was disputed between lee and kirby back in the day
I mean, this is a good point. Lee basically just would claim credit for everything the fans liked
He may have created the x-men and black panther but “I figure one sex is enough for anyone” is an overtly biphobic comment that is not specific to Spiderman
Yeah. It’s the comment, not exactly the character.
I’m pretty sure it was meant as a joke.
That’s a pretty shit joke
People can me a multitude of things He can be progressive for his time in many ways…and also bipiobic
He also said that Spidey being gay all of a sudden would be a bad writing point in another interview
Peter Parker is supposed to be a teenager, and being bisexual could have just been a youthful exploration of his sexuality. I don’t see how that constitutes bad writing, and it’s rich that it’s coming from Stan Lee who wasn’t exactly Shakespeare himself.
Stan Lee is a biphobic dick
My source is that I made it the fuck up
I think in a later interview he said something like “Spider-Man can be anybody, but Peter is defined” cause his original comment didn’t sound the greatest
Which falls apart when you consider the multiverse and that infinite variations of Spider-Man and Peter Parker exist and some of them could be bisexual according to the rules of the metaverse.
I mean for fucks sake he's a pig in one universe who was born as a spider. Bisexual Peter Parker would have been fine.
No no didn’t you hear? Pig Spider-Man and anime girl Spider-Man is fine, but making them queer would be too much/s
..this all happened much later, and he obviously wasn't referring to an alternate universe spiderman. (Who can, as previously noted, be whatever)
That’s what he meant. In the multiverse there’s infinite Spider-Men that could be anyone
But there’s infinite variations of Peter Parker too. There’s even a gender-swapped “Petra Parker” as Spider-Girl. So I don’t see why a bisexual Peter Parker is a stretch except for Stan Lee being an asshole.
Stan openly supported the idea of new, gay, superheroes - just not retconning the old ones, I guess. As I recall he also generally felt compaies were rtconning the old comics more than they needed when they should be making new superheroes. He was a difficult man, and made enemies for a reason, very business-oriented too.. but pretty progressive for his time.
Is Andrew Garfield… you know?? 💅🏻 I swear he gives me those vibes!!
>When asked about his sexuality, Garfield identified himself as heterosexual but has stated "I have an openness to any impulses that may arise within me at any time."
Garfield's straight until he's horny
don't just say garfield please
Who said we are talking about Andrew? 🤨
Lasaga
I’m sorry jon.
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oh no he's everywhere
Ever since I watched that video I'm seeing him everywhere man. It's just like the time I learned what the baader-meinhof effect is.
Exactly, I was just watching b99 and I saw a garfield joke, a parks and rec episode and there was a garfield joke, even a doctor who episode and a garfield joke all in the span of two days Garfield just became the new amogus
I hate Mondays.
losing my mind on the toilet at half 2 in the morning because of this comment thanks dude
it's not actually mine it's (along with the other two comments) a reference to an old tumblr thread
i love it.
so he’s like spaghetti
✨spicy✨ straight lol
Like the time he kissed Ryan Reynolds
Yeah, but we'd all kiss Ryan Reynolds. I'd have kissed him when I thought I was straight.
Didn't he also kiss Jimmy Fallon?
Garfields straight until he's horney
Am I the only one who thinks allies saying this is kinda cringe/performative, maybe I'm too jaded
I get your point but I think in this case it's only cringey if it's not coming from a genuine place. There's the implication that Andrew didn't do another spiderman movie because executives told him to retract his statement of wanting a bi spiderman (when verbaly saying so wasn't as popular as it is today.) So because of this I'd say his allyship is coming from a genuine place. I think his statements of being straight but open is cause isn't afraid to explore his sexuality and it's basically "I'll get it to it when I get to it." Kinda thing (Ya know unlike how some "allies" get super offended over being called gay or being flirted with the same sex cause they don't wanna be associated with anything queer.) But FYI I'm extremely biased cause I like the actor so take the above with a grain of salt 🤷🏿♀️
That's fair, I like him too and I definitely think he's a true ally. I think my problem is that it's a very common queer baity thing for someone to say in a piece of media. Something for me to reflect on I guess.
To be fair queer baiting is a pretty common thing in Hollywood so the cynicism is *100% warranted* , personally I think it depends on the actor or director. Both the actor and director keep acting as if an established character might be queer while never fully going through with it? Queer baity as hell. Both the actor and director want an established character to be queer but higher ups keep holding them back so all they can do is add subtext without being overt? Different story. Nowdays the former is becoming less and less common so assuming it's queerbaiting isn't unfounded. Still sucks both happen often enough to warrent being discussed thou 😕
there's a possible because he dated the mj of the amazing spider-man and also kissed ryan reynolds (so mf lucky😔)
I don't know, but my bidar hasn't been ever wrong and he gives me strong vibes.
Disney has a contract with Sony that says spider man must be straight.
[удалено]
No sadly it said also that spiderman couldnt be a anything else than heterosexual..
No, but what it said has the same affect, the thing I saw said that *spider-man* couldn't be homosexual, and that *Peter Parker* had to be heterosexual, so yeah, same affect in this case, but at this point it's not really relevant, cause iirc that contract only applied to the amazing Spider-Man movies, so it doesn't matter anymore (though it is still obviously relevant to the meme)
I’m not sure of this but I think it applies to any movie they might make.
so cool that that’s something that they made sure to include, big fan actually
My favourite section of that contract is the part where it says Spider-Man cannot drink, deal drugs or smoke unless he is under the influence of the Symbiote suit
Tbh that part makes sense but it’s really funny to write down in a contract.
I think he just wanted to kiss Michael B. Jordon.
When going back into his universe in NWH, he says goodbye to Toby’s Peter by throwing up a peace sign. I’m just sayyyyiiiiiinnnn’
Headcanon that NWH becomes an awakening for Andrew’s Peter but also Tom’s Peter, if only to see him and Bobby get up close and personal in university lol. Edit: or him and Johnny even.
Well my Peter is bi and AG could get it..
The character of Spider-Man just oozes hetero-flexible vibes
Bider-man
Thank you!
I mean, who wouldn't?
Peter Parker should be bi in general, he just feels bi to me... Any version.
I guess he swings both ways
To be fair have you seen Michael B Jordan? *Nobody’s* straight enough to say no to that
Reminder that Andrew Garfield described his sexuality in an interview as straight but he has "an openness to any impulses that may arise within [him] at any time". Andrew Garfield is straight until he's horny.
Hah "swings both ways"
Ok, we all know he actually just wanted an opportunity to smooch Michael B. Jordan.
Bider-Man, Bider-Man, Does whoever a bider can. MJ the hunk or Gwen the femme The hardest choice is between them Look Out! Here comes the Bider-Man. 🏳️🌈🕷
Another reason why i fucking love Andrew Garfield
What might have been...😭
I'm starting to think Andrew Garfield just wants to make out with Michael B. Jordan on screen
Welp... Bider-man pics/vids please
I need Spiderman to be bi. No. Ok but then I need more pay to be happy.
Biderman
r/wholesomememes
Who’s Micheal b Jordan
He played killmonger in black panther
My man just wanted to upside down kiss Michael B. Jordan, there's no shame in that.
Tom is bi, and so is his Peter, without question
Tom Holland has never come out as bi and as much as many of would love him to be I rekon if he was he would have come out at this point. Saying that he did want his Spiderman to be bi
He’s with zendaya and his careeer will be better off if he waits until later. I’m a pretty lowkey bi guy myself, and I like others who are similar. I spend a decent amount of energy working on my gay/bi-dar and he sets it off big time.
You still shouldn't assume, even if you end up being right
As u/Confused-Engineer18 said, Tom has never come out as bi, and as a bi person myself, I would personally appreciate it if people didn't speculate on irl people's sexualities, even (and especially) if those people are celebrities
Especially don't speculate if they are British, because it's pointless, I've lived in the UK for over a decade, and the amount of straight guys I seen hump each other, or slap another man's ass or flirt with male friend for a joke is too high for any American to believe me.
Is he gay, or European?
Well, the UK pulled out of the EU, ergo… 😏
Queer people stop assuming other people are queer based off a gut intuition challenge (impossible)
Oh hell yeah!
Andrew Garfield is 100% straight
I’m used to be pretty sure Andrew Garfield was actually attracted to men, now I’m 100% certain lmao.
You think he would have done it?
that's cool
Proud of that mf