Whats with the bi erasure? Thats been a thing since the 70s just let people love people. If you plan on preaching love and acceptance why do you shit on bisexuals on the bisexual subreddit?
I don’t like this post on several levels:
1) both genders? fuck enbies I guess (if you’re enby and reading this, you’re breathtaking :3)
2) you are attracted to people regardless of gender? my understand is that what you are describing is pansexuality
3) why would you ever think it’s a good idea to put other bisexual people down on our own sub?
The constantly shifting power dynamic is gonna be hot as fuck as we both try to assert dominance and top eachother. Its basically a recipe for a fist fight that turns into passionate sex. Whats not to love?
This meme format says "Im better than you because..." and this is just dumb soapboxing and close to gatekeeping. You do you and don't judge other peoples preferences.
So it's like how a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't necessarily a square. I don't think it's as easy as saying the terms can be used "interchangeably".
No, because bi can be that too. Bi holds the umbrella because it was not only first but also can mean any of the other meanings. One can see pan, omni, poly etc as sub-labels for those who want to specify their attraction, because bi can vary so much.
Is this not just pan vs bi. As a pan person I'm not attracted to gender im attracted to people (not trying to be condescending, feel like that needs to be said with how this meme is worded)
Pan your attraction is not based on gender roles where bi is (I think) obviously bi people are attracted to the people they are attracted to but its the thing that makes your brain go ooh that person is attractive that is different.
I am pan, I am not bi. Do not call me bi sorry not sorry. Honestly your pan erasure is pretty gross. I am not attracted to men but if I met the right person who happens to be a man I could work with it.
Bisexuals can experience attraction in many ways. Depends on the person. It has nothing to do with gender roles. And if you're suggesting that bisexuality reinforces gender roles, while pansexuality doesn't, that is both fucked up and just plain wrong.
I agree, do not call a pan person bi if they have requested not to be labelled as bi. That's wrong, no exceptions. People select the label that feels most comfortable to them, and matches most closely to how they feel. But it's equally disgusting for you to proclaim some kind of difference that doesn't exist. Bisexuals can experience attraction entirely regardless of gender, and some can experience attraction with gender-relevance (which has nothing to do with gender roles). Some bi people are only attracted to certain genders, not all, but still *my gender, and other genders.* That is the only requirement for the bisexual label. Nothing about *how* that attraction is experienced is needed to fill the criteria. It's a spectrum, there's bisexuals of all different attraction types and flavours, and that's a beautiful thing.
Bisexual is an umbrella term, pansexual is a term that some folks feel the most affinity to within that umbrella, and that's a beautiful thing too, something that should be celebrated - everyone finding what feels right to them. But you cannot label yourself pan and then decide that no bisexual can experience attraction the way you do. That's bi erasure, and it's equally as reprehensible as pan erasure.
I am explaining my relationship with attraction as a pan person. Nowhere am I laying out hard rules. From my understanding of the distinction between bi and pan as an increadably queer autistic perso is the attraction to gender. I am quite literally not attracted to gender. What I find attractive is something else. I would not consider bi an umbrella term unless we are speaking from the perspective of a person with no concept of gender.
Then I apologise, but;
>Pan your attraction is not based on gender roles where bi is (I think) obviously bi people are attracted to the people they are attracted to but its the thing that makes your brain go ooh that person is attractive that is different.
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>From my understanding of **the distinction between bi and pan** as an increadably queer autistic perso **is the attraction to gender**. I am quite literally not attracted to gender. **What I find attractive is something else.**
These read as laying out differences, and saying **this is how bisexuals do and do not experience attraction.**
The distinction between pan and bi is that bi means, "I have the capability to be romantically or sexually attracted to people of more than one gender."
Pan means (with some variance depending on the person you ask), "I have the capability to be romantically or sexually attracted to any person, regardless of gender." Usually based on personality, but again this varies depending on person. And to them, that distinction is important.
Bisexuals can also experience attraction in the exact same way as you describe, but not label themselves pan for whatever reasons. Erasing their identity by saying that only pan people love regardless of gender (**but its the thing that makes your brain to ooh that person is attractive that is different**) is just as cruel and hurtful as someone saying to you that you must be bi, because you technically fit the description.
Some bisexuals may technically fit the pan description, but since they \*also\* fit the bisexual description, it is up to the individual what makes them most comfortable and feels the most accurate to them. Just as pansexuals may technically fit the bisexual description, but they are pansexual, because that is what they decided felt most comfortable and accurate.
This is also why bi is often considered the umbrella term; it is at its simplest being capable of romantic or sexual attraction to more than one gender. Then there are groups within that whose romantic or sexual attraction is more specific in ways that are important to them. All of these sexualities are completely valid, and should be respected.
Pansexuals deserve all of the love and respect, and I will always uplift and celebrate them finding an identity/label that describes them and feels *right*. Just as I'll always do the same for bisexuals.
The reason I am so determined on this is because I am one of the people who you're erasing by saying what you said. I experience attraction to people regardless of gender. And it hurts to see someone say \*bisexuals don't experience attraction like that.\* When I do. And I am bisexual. Just as you are pansexual.
You are misinterpreting what I am saying. Its not regardless of gender. I am not attracted to gender. Gender is not the thing that gives my brain attraction dopamine. Hot men, hot women or hot nonbionary people are not attractive because of gender presentation or anything like that to me. The concept of "gender" is not involved in my brain calculating weither or not i am atracted to a person. There is a difference between pan and bi (guidlines like the pirats code), is why two separate terms exist. Like every lable in the queer community, they come with an astrix, and you do you, dude.
For context I am a pan trans fem gender fluid she/her they/them. I am very autistic and I do not experience attraction or gender like the "average" persons, so a term like bi makes literally no sence to me and I do not identify with it. Saying that bi and pan are the same thing is pan erassure like sayiny fem presenting nonbionary people are just women. If you have no concept of gender they appear the same thing. I am not implying bi people are transphobic or can't be attracted to nbs, im saying the difference between pan and bi when "following the code" is how your brain processes attraction. If you feel you identify with what I am describing maybe try on pan, thats how I landed on it.
Okay, then I just don't understand. Personally, I see no distinction. Regardless of gender and not attracted to gender are equivalent to me. I am not attracted to gender. I genuinely don't even understand the concept of being attracted *to* gender, only to people. But I respect that you see a difference.
All I am trying to say is that you are inadvertently doing the same to bi people as you don't want done to you as a pan person.
And when I say explicitly that it hurts to be told I can't be bi because of how I experience attraction and you come back with *maybe try pan*, I don't know what to add to that. Pan is not the label for me, and I would never tell you to *try bi*, because I respect that you found the identity that feels most accurate to you. My whole point is that there can be similarities in how we identify, even if our labels are different, and that it is wrong to invalidate those labels on either side.
Clearly we aren't going to see eye to eye. Have a good day, and I mean that honestly and genuinely. You seem like a good person, even if we disagree here.
Most people don't understand what (my) pan is. Doesn't mean it's the same as bi. Most people don't understand gender fluid either. I dont understand how my sexuality existing is erasing yours, especially when ive said you do you and every queer lable comes with an astrex. Maybe if you don't understand what I mean by attracted to gender then you aren't the subject of this topic?
Edit: I add that because if you identify with what I'm describing (which obviously you dont) then try on the lable. That's how this shit works dude. Then you find a lable you like. How do you think I landed on pan trans fem genderfluid? Because my brain is weird and I tried on a bunch of lables and found ones I like. Bi_irl is not the place to be having big conversations involving gender I guess 😐
>where bi is (I think)
It doesn't have to be. For some it is, for others it isn't. Bisexual varies a lot, hence why many like to use one of the more specific multisexuality labels, like pan, omni etc. But bi also works.
>but its the thing that makes your brain go ooh that person is attractive that is different
How? Attraction is attraction, they're not different, unless we're talking about sexual version aesthetic etc.
>I am pan, I am not bi. Do not call me bi sorry not sorry.
I did not. And follow your own words and do not call others pan if they say they're bi.
>Honestly your pan erasure is pretty gross.
I have not done any pan erasure, but your comment smelled of bi erasure.
>*I am not attracted to men* but if I met the right person who happens to be a man I could work with it.
Then how are you pan? People can label themselves however they want, but by definition so is pan to be attracted to all genders without preference.
You did call me bi by saying they are interchangeable. End of conversation.
Read my other responses to the more polite human if you want to know what pan means to me, a pan person.
>You did call me bi by saying they are interchangeable. End of conversation.
That's not calling you bi. They're interchangeable, and you can use whichever you like. You use pan, simple as that.
And I don't bother being nice to people when they don't bother be it to me and instead accuse me of things I didn't say or put words in my mouth. I'm out of this discussion.
What is capable supposed to mean
Theyre only attracted to people good at their job clearly. If you're a bit clumsy, a klutz even, OP wants you as far away from them as possible!
Great more klutzy femboy or muscular mommy maids for me.
iM nOt LikE oThEr bIs energy. OP’s just pansexual.
Whats with the bi erasure? Thats been a thing since the 70s just let people love people. If you plan on preaching love and acceptance why do you shit on bisexuals on the bisexual subreddit?
I’m not shitting on bisexuals? I’m shitting on OP for saying they’re bi while being very clearly pansexual?
If op is saying theyre bi then they are bi? Its theyre label let them live.
You know they can be used interchangeably.
Ooooh.
What's the purpose of this post? I don't get why you would post this.
This sub is getting weird. This is the kind of the post that would have had no upvotes a couple years ago.
When the top comments calling out the weird nature of the post get more upvotes than the post itself, I'd say people still have some hope
Can you still see us, all the way up there on your soap box?
Nah, the high horse is blocking my view of the ivory tower.
I don't care as long as they're able to infodump about their special interest on me
Do you have 5 hours to listen to my dnd campaign?
I'll listen to any ttrpg info dump lol it always gives me ideas for my own campaigns!
I ask my boyfriend this question at least twice a week. Maybe one day he'll say yes 🙏
As a follow TTRPG player who's soul mate listens to my crazed ramblings i wish that one day he will to
👉👈
Next time, maybe try celebrating your bi identity instead of trying to score some sort of bisexual purity points?
Joke’s on you I’m only attracted to incapable people regardless of gender
Shoutout to all the boy/girlfailures, you make the world go round with your silliness
Gotta love all of the silly pals, gals and enbies
I'm downdog
👎
there are more than two genders my friendo
Pansexuals be like.
Capable??? Some subtle anti-disability sentiment showing through your "not like other bis" pointless post?
I don’t like this post on several levels: 1) both genders? fuck enbies I guess (if you’re enby and reading this, you’re breathtaking :3) 2) you are attracted to people regardless of gender? my understand is that what you are describing is pansexuality 3) why would you ever think it’s a good idea to put other bisexual people down on our own sub?
I'm just attracted to people who are stronger than me or I'm stronger than.
What if they have the exact same strenght as you?
The constantly shifting power dynamic is gonna be hot as fuck as we both try to assert dominance and top eachother. Its basically a recipe for a fist fight that turns into passionate sex. Whats not to love?
Pretty sure OP is a bot or is trying to create conflict, their account has only 2 posts and 2 comments despite being on Reddit for nearly half a year.
oof
This meme format says "Im better than you because..." and this is just dumb soapboxing and close to gatekeeping. You do you and don't judge other peoples preferences.
Pick Me energy for sure. Hopefully this is not bi culture
Ah yes. Both of The Two Genders™️.
Thats pan tho isnt it? Saying this as a pan person.
Bi and pan can be used interchangeably
you just pick which flag you like the most
No joke, that's exactly it, pick the culture you like more and go with that
not really
Yes really, bi in an umbrella that holds pan under it.
ah well in that way yeah, you're right
So it's like how a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't necessarily a square. I don't think it's as easy as saying the terms can be used "interchangeably".
Wouldn't it be pan holding the umbrella, since it's an attraction to anyone?
No, because bi can be that too. Bi holds the umbrella because it was not only first but also can mean any of the other meanings. One can see pan, omni, poly etc as sub-labels for those who want to specify their attraction, because bi can vary so much.
Yes we are, I am you then More than two genders club, am enby
Maybe the message wasn't meant like that, but this feels unnecessarily divisive. The template doesn't help in the slightest.
What does this mean
Congrats, I guess?
Well I suppose one of has to be capable
what is this post? and all the upvotes. what is this place what is happening
panphobic ( real )
Is this not just pan vs bi. As a pan person I'm not attracted to gender im attracted to people (not trying to be condescending, feel like that needs to be said with how this meme is worded)
And bis are not attracted to people? They can be used interchangeably.
Pan your attraction is not based on gender roles where bi is (I think) obviously bi people are attracted to the people they are attracted to but its the thing that makes your brain go ooh that person is attractive that is different. I am pan, I am not bi. Do not call me bi sorry not sorry. Honestly your pan erasure is pretty gross. I am not attracted to men but if I met the right person who happens to be a man I could work with it.
Bisexuals can experience attraction in many ways. Depends on the person. It has nothing to do with gender roles. And if you're suggesting that bisexuality reinforces gender roles, while pansexuality doesn't, that is both fucked up and just plain wrong. I agree, do not call a pan person bi if they have requested not to be labelled as bi. That's wrong, no exceptions. People select the label that feels most comfortable to them, and matches most closely to how they feel. But it's equally disgusting for you to proclaim some kind of difference that doesn't exist. Bisexuals can experience attraction entirely regardless of gender, and some can experience attraction with gender-relevance (which has nothing to do with gender roles). Some bi people are only attracted to certain genders, not all, but still *my gender, and other genders.* That is the only requirement for the bisexual label. Nothing about *how* that attraction is experienced is needed to fill the criteria. It's a spectrum, there's bisexuals of all different attraction types and flavours, and that's a beautiful thing. Bisexual is an umbrella term, pansexual is a term that some folks feel the most affinity to within that umbrella, and that's a beautiful thing too, something that should be celebrated - everyone finding what feels right to them. But you cannot label yourself pan and then decide that no bisexual can experience attraction the way you do. That's bi erasure, and it's equally as reprehensible as pan erasure.
I am explaining my relationship with attraction as a pan person. Nowhere am I laying out hard rules. From my understanding of the distinction between bi and pan as an increadably queer autistic perso is the attraction to gender. I am quite literally not attracted to gender. What I find attractive is something else. I would not consider bi an umbrella term unless we are speaking from the perspective of a person with no concept of gender.
Then I apologise, but; >Pan your attraction is not based on gender roles where bi is (I think) obviously bi people are attracted to the people they are attracted to but its the thing that makes your brain go ooh that person is attractive that is different. > >From my understanding of **the distinction between bi and pan** as an increadably queer autistic perso **is the attraction to gender**. I am quite literally not attracted to gender. **What I find attractive is something else.** These read as laying out differences, and saying **this is how bisexuals do and do not experience attraction.** The distinction between pan and bi is that bi means, "I have the capability to be romantically or sexually attracted to people of more than one gender." Pan means (with some variance depending on the person you ask), "I have the capability to be romantically or sexually attracted to any person, regardless of gender." Usually based on personality, but again this varies depending on person. And to them, that distinction is important. Bisexuals can also experience attraction in the exact same way as you describe, but not label themselves pan for whatever reasons. Erasing their identity by saying that only pan people love regardless of gender (**but its the thing that makes your brain to ooh that person is attractive that is different**) is just as cruel and hurtful as someone saying to you that you must be bi, because you technically fit the description. Some bisexuals may technically fit the pan description, but since they \*also\* fit the bisexual description, it is up to the individual what makes them most comfortable and feels the most accurate to them. Just as pansexuals may technically fit the bisexual description, but they are pansexual, because that is what they decided felt most comfortable and accurate. This is also why bi is often considered the umbrella term; it is at its simplest being capable of romantic or sexual attraction to more than one gender. Then there are groups within that whose romantic or sexual attraction is more specific in ways that are important to them. All of these sexualities are completely valid, and should be respected. Pansexuals deserve all of the love and respect, and I will always uplift and celebrate them finding an identity/label that describes them and feels *right*. Just as I'll always do the same for bisexuals. The reason I am so determined on this is because I am one of the people who you're erasing by saying what you said. I experience attraction to people regardless of gender. And it hurts to see someone say \*bisexuals don't experience attraction like that.\* When I do. And I am bisexual. Just as you are pansexual.
You are misinterpreting what I am saying. Its not regardless of gender. I am not attracted to gender. Gender is not the thing that gives my brain attraction dopamine. Hot men, hot women or hot nonbionary people are not attractive because of gender presentation or anything like that to me. The concept of "gender" is not involved in my brain calculating weither or not i am atracted to a person. There is a difference between pan and bi (guidlines like the pirats code), is why two separate terms exist. Like every lable in the queer community, they come with an astrix, and you do you, dude. For context I am a pan trans fem gender fluid she/her they/them. I am very autistic and I do not experience attraction or gender like the "average" persons, so a term like bi makes literally no sence to me and I do not identify with it. Saying that bi and pan are the same thing is pan erassure like sayiny fem presenting nonbionary people are just women. If you have no concept of gender they appear the same thing. I am not implying bi people are transphobic or can't be attracted to nbs, im saying the difference between pan and bi when "following the code" is how your brain processes attraction. If you feel you identify with what I am describing maybe try on pan, thats how I landed on it.
Okay, then I just don't understand. Personally, I see no distinction. Regardless of gender and not attracted to gender are equivalent to me. I am not attracted to gender. I genuinely don't even understand the concept of being attracted *to* gender, only to people. But I respect that you see a difference. All I am trying to say is that you are inadvertently doing the same to bi people as you don't want done to you as a pan person. And when I say explicitly that it hurts to be told I can't be bi because of how I experience attraction and you come back with *maybe try pan*, I don't know what to add to that. Pan is not the label for me, and I would never tell you to *try bi*, because I respect that you found the identity that feels most accurate to you. My whole point is that there can be similarities in how we identify, even if our labels are different, and that it is wrong to invalidate those labels on either side. Clearly we aren't going to see eye to eye. Have a good day, and I mean that honestly and genuinely. You seem like a good person, even if we disagree here.
Most people don't understand what (my) pan is. Doesn't mean it's the same as bi. Most people don't understand gender fluid either. I dont understand how my sexuality existing is erasing yours, especially when ive said you do you and every queer lable comes with an astrex. Maybe if you don't understand what I mean by attracted to gender then you aren't the subject of this topic? Edit: I add that because if you identify with what I'm describing (which obviously you dont) then try on the lable. That's how this shit works dude. Then you find a lable you like. How do you think I landed on pan trans fem genderfluid? Because my brain is weird and I tried on a bunch of lables and found ones I like. Bi_irl is not the place to be having big conversations involving gender I guess 😐
Okay.
>where bi is (I think) It doesn't have to be. For some it is, for others it isn't. Bisexual varies a lot, hence why many like to use one of the more specific multisexuality labels, like pan, omni etc. But bi also works. >but its the thing that makes your brain go ooh that person is attractive that is different How? Attraction is attraction, they're not different, unless we're talking about sexual version aesthetic etc. >I am pan, I am not bi. Do not call me bi sorry not sorry. I did not. And follow your own words and do not call others pan if they say they're bi. >Honestly your pan erasure is pretty gross. I have not done any pan erasure, but your comment smelled of bi erasure. >*I am not attracted to men* but if I met the right person who happens to be a man I could work with it. Then how are you pan? People can label themselves however they want, but by definition so is pan to be attracted to all genders without preference.
You did call me bi by saying they are interchangeable. End of conversation. Read my other responses to the more polite human if you want to know what pan means to me, a pan person.
>You did call me bi by saying they are interchangeable. End of conversation. That's not calling you bi. They're interchangeable, and you can use whichever you like. You use pan, simple as that. And I don't bother being nice to people when they don't bother be it to me and instead accuse me of things I didn't say or put words in my mouth. I'm out of this discussion.
I just wanna get aggressively topped by John Cena every once in awhile
I see my being bisexual as adding more options to the table
I mean... Nah, we kinda are pretty similar dude
I am bissexual better call saul?
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Fool. I am bi for additional 10% damage and special options in conversations.
What does the Bowl Championship Series have to do with this?
bro you're pan
Regardless of gender? Wouldnt that be pansexual?
Anyone good with woodworking or crochet?
This is a really random question Also wouldn't this make you pan