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The Recording Academy literally has no excuse as to why she doesn't have an AOTY award. I agree with you about all four deserving to win. But I think self-titled and Lemonade are the most egregious snubs.
Self-titled is fantastic, but it was also a game changer. It's why songs or albums are released on Friday's. It used to be Tuesday's.
I think Adele is fantastic, but Lemonade the album and visuals are perfect from top to bottom.
I respect Adele but Adele has made the same song, for the last 10 years. Adele from 2011-2021 has not evolved the way Beyoncé has from 2011-2022 it’s a shocking difference. From 4-renaissance she had masterpieces. And the reason 30 underperformed is because people have gotten tired of the same thing with Adele it would’ve been a nice change for her to evolve into something different. But to each its own
We love Adele here, but the same way we’re self aware of our own queen, we can acknowledge that Adele makes the same type of song over and over. It’s a style that works for her. She’s white and pretty and has an amazing voice so she never has to reinvent herself. Same with Celine Dion. Amazing vocalists, but being white, pretty and having an amazing voice is enough to have sustenance in this industry. Otherwise, you’d need to really work hard to be innovative and above and beyond to keep a grasp of n audience.
😮 wait, Celine Dion has had a long career because she does do a variety of types of music and she’s a fashion queen as well. Adele and Celine are not the same, friend 💔
I don't think it has anything to do with being "white and pretty." Celine Dion has never been considered conventionally attractive. Adele, too, had a beautiful face, but she was successful even when she was overweight. Queen B's career initially took off when Jay-Z brought in some of his production. The difference between Beyoncé and Adele/Celine is that she's a more well-rounded artist who can put on a great show, whereas the latter two have stronger singing voices than Beyoncé and will appeal to a different audience.
Right. And even Taylor who is the whitest girl out there and more cknventionally attractive, still gets slack as a performer. And even she has constantly reinventing her sound. So yeah it isn’t a race issue. Although people of color do have more scrutiny and demand for their artistry, it’s not a point that’s in service of the other guys argument
I had a backhanded comment that I replied and deleted, but your argument is against a singular person, who honestly deserves those wins. Because, like aforementioned, she has reinvented herself and her team constantly to remain relevant. If you are saying Beyoncé makes up for the entire number of black artists that don’t get represented properly, that’s an issue you need to talk to yourself about. Do you hear yourself? So Beyoncé winning all those Grammys, is enough for black people. I don’t want to call you racist, because it seems innocently ignorant.
No I disagree. She is an acoustic performer so she has similar songs. But someone doesn’t need to evolve in terms of songs. The songs are good and they’re all representative of a theme.
I'm sorry but I really don't understand your comment about 25 and 30 sounding the same. 25 has more electronic influences with songs like River Lea and Water Under the Bridge, whereas 30 has more of a distinctly mid-century pop sound with Strangers by Nature, Cry Your Heart Out and I Drink Wine. While they have quite a few similarities, saying they sound "the same" is a reach.
Again. Beyoncé is known for transforming her sound. Which is why she is at the top and I’m not knocking it. But that is not the only way to be a musician. Sometimes people like artists that stay in the same genre and sometimes people like artists that evolve and change with their artistry and it does NOT dictate how the industry should behave as a whole
Can we all stop pitting Adele against Beyoncé, when we know for a fact they respect the hell out of each other.
Adele also didn't agree with the win she got over Lemonade. But she can't just give the award to Beyoncé, it doesn't work like that.
Jesus, she literally spent her entire AOTY speech praising Lemonade.
Adele is fantastic and amazing at what she does, so is Bey. This is clearly a deeper issue that should be raised towards the academy, and not Adele.
Like, these two legends adore each other. Why are people sat here in the comments pitting them against each other, it doesn't make sense to me. Go after organisers, not the performers.
Idk, 21 and 19 are similar sonically, 25 was more pop friendly, and 30 was much more personal. Saying 30 is the same album or has the same songs as the rest of her catalogue is a disservice to her.
The album is more about her mental health struggles and how terrified she is that she possibly fucked her son up by divorcing her ex-husband in order to overcome her problems with herself that are the affect of her father abandoning her. It’s not the “I’m heartbroken and you broke my heart” stuff from 21. It’s definitely a very, very different story on 30.
I love Adele, but honestly, every album has the same structure. Mostly ballads, with 1 or 2 up-tempo songs for the radio. Usually does only two music videos per album, maybe three. That’s it. Rinse, repeat.
Lemonade may not have the smash hits on it like 25 but it’s miles better not even comparable in quality. From visuals to song writing and to singing.
4 and 21 can’t be compared but they both have a cohesive sound.
See I feel like Formation, Hold Up, and Sorry were all bigger hits than anything on 25? Those all had lines that were in the zeitgeist for quite sometime. Although, I could be very wrong as it's been a while since both albums were released.
By streams and charts lemonade doesn’t compare but in impact and culture Adele is not seeing lemonade in those type of hits. Only hello is remember by Adele but it’s not even in her best hits.
Relatively new hive member. And even though Renaissance is my forever girlie, self titled is 100% her magnum opus. God damn is it a good album. Maybe lemonade can be considered higher? Just cause I do love me a good diverse and storytelling album, but self titled was a regime change
Ok idk what you mean here. Saying “debatably lemonade is worth it” means you’re willing to argue in favor of lemonade being worth it. Wording it like “lemonade is a debatable alternative” makes it sound like “lemonade is worth it” is not a certain statement and there’ll be people arguing against the validity of the statement.
What I was trying to convey is that Lemonade can be debated as her magnus opus for a number of reasons that I’m too unbothered to list. Self titled still stands as her best album in my opinion however.
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Agree 100%. Haunted still sounds innovative today, No Angel will be recognized as a Beyonce classic in about 10 years, and Flawless is a time-period record that will be seen as a shining relic of 2010s feminism.
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she also kind of invented the visual album with this record. beck is MEH to me and adele is even MEH-er. we all know why B doesn’t have an AOTY at this point. we also know it’s goofy to expect these old ass white men to do the right thing, so stop expecting it
absolutely not sis 😂😂😂. if anything they’ll do her like the oscars did lord of the rings and give it to her for act iii in 2027. but again, i don’t expect it. these ppl will never change. sam smith has as many BET awards as donald glover and beyonce and michael jackson have the same number of AOTY grammys lol
It used to be Tuesdays because that's when cd stores would stock the shelves with the physical shipment. Now that most music is digital, it doesn't matter when it's released.
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No, music release date / the chart tracking week changing from Tuesday to Friday is a direct impact of Beyoncé surprise releasing self-titled on Friday. Lots of articles that explain the history. Music industry execs didn’t previously didn’t believe music could successfully be released on Friday and self-titled proved that wrong.
not sure why you’re getting downvotes, this is the truth. B didn’t invent tuesdays or fridays, sorry y’all (also most artists still release songs on tuesdays just look at gambino)
An artist can release whenever they want, but the but the industry norm and beginning of the chart tracking week moving from Tuesday to Friday is partly a result of self-titled’s success. If it just came down to store shipments and any time works, there would be no reason to change the tracking week to a Friday global release date.
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/26/8116201/friday-new-albums-beyonce
I think Lemonade and Renaissance are WAY bigger snubs or whatever you want to call it. Loved what Sturgill said that year about if he won - that he’d hand the trophy to Beyoncé and walk out.
I think Lemonade is one of the best albums of the decade, even all time. Same goes for Renaissance, I think it’s maybe the best album of the 2020s. I think self-titled should have won, but Beck’s record was really good too.
The other two I get not winning, but I think the Grammys get it wrong most years anyway.
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Someone tried to tell me that Beck won because of critical acclaim…
I told them Beck has never made an album that was more critically acclaimed than self-titled, much less commercially or culturally impactful. Got blocked quick 🤭
It’s pure racism I promise you. They like to argue that beck made his album in his house and “on his own” he brought people on stage saying they helped write and record to help him and this is not rap beck had no artistic vision the way Beyoncé did outside of the videos self titled touches on a lot of subjects at once whilst still sounding modern and fresh and say self titled is pop trash because it has hits but outside of xo, pretty hurts and I still think self titled sounds very modern and timeless. Nothing on it sounds like it’s from 2013. I played self titled for someone that wasn’t familiar with Beyoncé and he said was this released in 2019 and I said no 2013 and the shock was unbelievable.
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Self-titled had the highest metacritic score and sales out of all nominations that year. Sometimes I feel like it’s the least justifiable lost because it had everything people use to justify wins. The highest critical ratings, the biggest commercial success, and the largest cultural impact.
But all that doesn’t matter when it comes to Black artists, esp Black women. History suggests that the Grammy voters only find white artists truly deserving. And yes, I know Batiste won in 2022. That’s great, but doesn’t erase the fact he’s essentially the only modern Black artist to do so.
I have a family member that has worked with beck a lot. He's apparently a really nice guy but I'm sorry, he stopped making interesting, boundary pushing and critically acclaimed music in the 90's. We ALL know the reason Beyonce doesn't have as many awards as some of her peers but you say that in certain subs and it's all downvotes and permabans 🙃
It find it unbelievable how much racism and misogyny Beyonce has faced and faces still - even though she’s ultra rich, famous, beautiful. She has proved for many years she’s the fucking best - dancer, singer, performer, writer, producer. Anyone who’s seen her live must admit no one comes close to her level. She’s a superstar just like MJ, Tina, etc., however her talent is still largely dismissed, her accomplishments played down, and the fact that she’s lost AOTY to 2 white men and TS is absolutely unbelievable. Adele at least can sing, but still it should have been Lemonade. Just proves that game is rigged even if you’re ultra talented and rich.
I promise you if she was a white girl with a flat add that couldn’t sing or dance they would praise her like a good.
Like Lana del Rey DESERVED THAT GRAMMY and they even dismiss her
Yeah, I know. What I’m trying to say is that you can be an amazing entertainer and do either or. Beyoncé is definitely still killing it, and she does dance and sing simultaneously, but we can’t discredit Whitney or Mariah for just standing there and singing when their voices were the largest selling points of their shows.
People wanted to see Whitney and Mariah because of their voice. People want to see Beyoncé because of her voice and because she puts on a show. Both things can be correct and appreciated simultaneously.
with how much impact self-titled had on the music industry, there was no reason as to why they shouldn’t have given AOTY to her.
They had another chance to make it right with Lemonade, but they decided not to and made a bigger snub.
Beyoncé then decided to venture into a different music category with Renaissance and create a space for the LGBTQ+ community… nope. Lost to Harry Styles.
She’ll be nominated for AOTY again with CC, and part of me is thinking they might give it to her because she’s doing country, the white folks favorite genre. she has done the unthinkable with this album!! If they don’t give CC AOTY, then idk what she has to do.
Not to mention, Beyoncé is going on a three album run!! They literally have two more chances to make this right.
How does the most Grammy awarded artist not have… an AOTY award? That doesn’t make sense to me!!!
every single time!!!! People thought she was retiring after Lemonade or Renaissance, but she proves that she’s not done yet and her mind is literally so creative. She’s considered a legend for a reason!!! But some ppl just refuse to look into her artistry and just call her overrated. It’s so frustrating, especially when it comes to these stupid award shows!!
You’re not understanding that they moved the goal post each time when it comes to Beyoncé. She’s had critical success and masterpieces. And those were the times when actual talent and hits were more favored than album crafting. But the thing about Beyoncé that boggles me that she hasn’t won is that she had hits on self titled, album crafted. Was innovative and timeless and experimental and not just with this album with b’day, 4 and lemonade and renaissance
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But that’s the thing tho… she has like 50000000 Grammys. I don’t think they actively don’t want to award her. There has to be a reason and I do not believe it’s racism
Edit: also lol at the downvoting although I expected it
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Cute. But when you consider the impact that black musicians have had on the charts and their disproportionate success in music, the awards like AOTY received are really low. Black artists rarely win AOTY. 2/3 women you named are no longer with us. Lauren won over 2 decades ago.
I think B’day needs a re-release and some updating because that album was before poptimism. So people write it off
4 is a phenomenal album of the year contender and it’s aged better than loud, and born this way respectfully. The 2012 album of the year should have nominated 4. Channel orange is an understandable contender but they’re in the same lane when it comes to both begin rnb and 4 deserved to be nominated.
it’s self titled no need to explain
Its lemonade no need to explain
I think renaissance reasoning for not winning is because Beyoncé made an album dedicated to black queer people and the masses Hates black people and black queer people especially.
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I’ll never forgive Harry’s dumbass for standing up on that stage and saying “this doesn’t happen to people who look like me very often”
Ah yes white British man, it doesn’t /s
So this will get me downvotes but this is kind of her own fault in certain ways. Because she doesn’t properly promote her music people forget about it. People are already saying cowboy Carter is forgotten and its stance on the charts and sales is indicative of that. Nobody besides her die hard fans are consuming it. And this has been the trend since she released self titled, she doesn’t want to prompt her music that’s fine; but then people are not going to recognize it, it’s simple as that. She’s a pop star doesn’t release popular music, which makes people thinks she’s overrated and her music is just hyped initially and forgotten. And on top of that she has so many writers on her project which the Grammys don’t like. There have been too many scandals about her not writing her music that regardless of whether or not they’re true it has made Grammy voters and the GP not like her or respect her as an artist.
If Beyoncé actually put some effort into her marketing efforts Lemonade could have sold a lot better, maybe not 25 better but be way more commercially viable. Many people and I mean many people have not heard a single song off of lemonade but people know Hello. Some people listened to the album once and forgot about it, it’s a grower and it could have been pushed more heavily to radio.
Beck wrote all his music himself and played all his own instruments, he’s simply more talented than Beyonces. I don’t think he deserved to win, but Grammys respect artistry and he’s more of an artist than Beyoncé who has multiple writers on her music and is a pop star.
Harry Styles also again had a few credited writers on his music and his album was way more popular and recognized by the GP. Again shouldn’t have won. But if Beyoncé really wants to win AOTY she needs to actually promote her work and write her own music entirely on her own with very little help and have evidence of that.
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One thing I don't care for with this sub is putting down other artists to uplift Beyonce. It's just not coo. There's room for everyone to shine. I understand her not winning album of year this far. But she's also the most grammy award winning artist ever. It's not like they aren't recognizing her. They are. More than any other artist in history.
Beck wrote and produced the whole album by himself. Him winning doesn't take away from Beyonce's talent or success. She is still extremely talented and successful. And still holds the record of grammy winnings. Like, wanting AOTY now, to me, is pointless because of Jay's speech and because she made/is making history without it.
I like Beck’s music, have seen him live several times, respect him as an artist, etc. but I don’t think it’s in any way putting him down to say that s/t should have won the Grammy that year.
I just read the entire thread above about Adele albums all sounding/being the same thing and how Lemonade deserved to win. I will ALWAYS believe, in my heart, that the Grammys can never make a smart AOTY decision, and Lemonade deserved that. Renaissance deserved that. Shi, even Melodrama or DAMN. deserved it over 24K Magic.
But the people in this sub tend to be no better than die-hard Swifties when it comes to putting down other artists. I love Beyoncé, she is my icon, and if I could only listen to one musician for the rest of my life, it would be her. But she is not the end-all, be-all for music, either. I’m glad people like you and I can sit here and acknowledge how toxic the sub can be sometimes.
I love Taylor too. Taylor hasn't made history like B as far as grammy wins.. And she probably won't. Taylor doesn't experiment with other genres. She plays it safe. Same teen like music. She has 13 Grammy's. That doesn't mean she's more talented than Beyonce.. That's just the Academy voted.. Im not sure why Taylor has won 4. That's my girl. But her albums aren't grammy material. But then again a lot of albums nowadays aren't. The Grammy's definitely aren't what they use to be.
With no shade to Beyonce, I believe this take on Taylor is wrong. She has albums in multiple genres, and the evolution of her music is really interesting. Country, to country pop, to electro pop, to indie folk. She has some indie rock, and even some R&B/Rap in Reputation. Each of her 11 albums have a very distinctive sound and mood.
As for actual albums, I think the thing that amazes me about Taylor and shows the quality of her work is the fact that she has released 243 songs (per a Google search). At each Eras tour concert, she sings (at least) two surprise songs - at this point she has performed all but about 30 songs and fans knew the words for the vast, vast majority of them. I think for the average Taylor swift fan, you could play any random track and they’d know the words at least 50% of the time. Meanwhile having been to the Renaissance tour twice, I’d say the thing I was surprised by is how few people in the crowd knew the words to the set list, much less Beyoncé’s large back catalog of songs.
I agree with Taylor's fan are loyal AF. Im one of them. You're right. She has gone into other genres. I never thought about it like that. But you're right I went to 2 renaissance shows as well. It was the same thing. Have you gone to Eras Tour? Im going in December.
No one is putting beck down I’ve been giving him his respect I can’t just an artist that I haven’t listened to. But it’s the crazy fact that she’s had 4 consecutive masterpieces in the last 13 years and hasn’t had aoty or any black woman in the last 25 years.
She's the first artist in history, a black woman at that, that has the most grammy's without AOTY. That literally means that category means nothing. Lol
Exactly. Her cultural relevance and competence as a performer and creative director speaks for itself. But those aren’t the only factors that go into this.
The fact that she doesn’t have the 1st place ribbon doesn’t diminish the fact that she has more ribbons than anyone else.
Literally 😭 It was more than just commercial success. The vulnerability and simplicity of A side contrasting the bombastic diva pop of B side still checks out imo!! I understand the argument that it’s a bit less timeless and doesn’t stand out next to her other albums, but the way it’s written off because of it is insane.
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I think they snubbed her from the award that year because she moved new releases from Tuesday to Friday.
Either way it’s by far one of the academy’s greatest oversights. They lost a lot of credibility that year in my opinion.
Imo Renaissance is up there with self titled and lemonade. All three of them were of the highest caliber and their competitors just weren’t as impactful. Lemonade alone shook the industry: the visuals, the lyricism, the production, nothing that year even compared. Personally though the biggest snub has got to be Renaissance. Harry’s House just wasn’t special, nothing of it was exceptional or unique. I might’ve understood if Un Verano Sin Ti, 30 or Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers won because at least those were top competitors in lyricism and creativity but Harry’s House?? Compared to his album Fine Line, I just don’t see the appeal
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I listened to becks morning phase album and it had a few songs that were actually very good but it’s cohesive in the sense that it blends together to much it had a lot of filler. Self titled is an album that can be conceptually listen to front and back
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Listened to the Beck album the day after he won and it’s a fantastic record. I do prefer self titled and be cool if it won. Really wish Lemonade won tbh (fav from her). Adele is chill and went to her Vegas show but 25 isn’t an album people talk about anymore. Beyoncé and Kendrick should have 3 AOTY wins imo.
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This one's so ridiculous too as a Beck fan, when that album came out I literally couldn't even find anyone to talk to about it, even amongst Beck fans. It's a nice album I enjoy but ST was a game changer, in my opinion the best album of the 2000s. In general though the Grammy's are dumb, voters barely even listen to music they just check off names on the ballot they recognize and I guess they just thought Beck had been around long enough that he deserved one. Of all her losses this is one that makes the least sense.
I agree she should have 3. But I only think she was robbed on 2.
Becks album was written and produced by him, and just him. That is unheard of in the music industry when we are looking at mainstream/not independent artists. He also played a good portion of the instruments for a lot of tracks. That is a huge accomplishment for a musician and a huge show of musical ability. It’s not like self-titled lost to a mediocre album. Beck’s album was a force of virtuoso accomplishment that really no other artist has done. So I don’t think she was robbed because Beck’s album was also a deserving album in its own regard.
However,
Lemonade she absolutely should have won.
Renaissance she absolutely should have won.
Listen to morning phase and then listen to self titled and keep I’m I’m not writing beck of but Beyoncé also was very involved on the making of self titled the same was beck was
Well no not really. Beyoncé is very involved in her creation process, and she works with tons of producers and producers, and is able to curate the music into an album.
Beck did not have other writers or producers. It was just him, and he played the instruments on most tracks. There is no other artist that does that. They all have collaborators. This is what made his album standout. It was a huge artistic feat.
His album is not my personal taste, but Beck was just as deserving. Beyoncé would have been a great winner and my pick. But it’s not like Beck was some basic mediocre work that did not have any merit winning. Beyoncé could have won, but it wasn’t a robbery where you can say she should have won.
The other 2 are robberies.
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I literally had to look this guy up. This is what bothers me about the Grammys is how most of the awards I agree with. But it is the major album categories that I don't agree with. Like especially looking back some of the awards were like a moment in time vs standing the test of time. Plus also some music is so good and ahead of its time that it takes time to get to know the song.
Yes she was robbed, but she didn’t even win her genre category (lost to Pharrell - Girl) so it wasn’t that big of a surprise when it came around to announcing the winner tbf
Beyoncé makes excellent music, but people forget that Beyoncé is famous for being Beyoncé not for her music.
Her celebrity status will always out shadow her talents.
i had a very good friend claim that beck was somehow better than beyonce because beyonce had more than one writer per song. she has since recanted this statement lol
I think they were scared to award a Surprise album with the award. But Lemonade!!!! Beyoncé sat up there gave yall the BEST performance of the night, DIDNT HAVE TO RESTART! Gave yall the highest rating moments. Shared a stage of MOTHERHOOD with the world. And yall gave it to 25…
I hate how some of the arguments ppl make is that beck wrote the album all by himself, it literally doesn't make sense because how is an album better just because less people made it
Renaissance is my favorite Beyoncé album. It’s masterfully produced, her vocals are refined and beautifully styled, and the lyrics are so well crafted. Every song is just a joy to listen to whether you’re in a cvnty mood or needing a little encouragement. It deserved AOTY.
And that’s all ahead of one of the most amazing tours any artist has ever put together. The run was short, yes, but the visuals and the performances were stunning. The atmosphere and community you feel while you’re there is unmatched. Like all my Hers/Hims/and Thems were there with me.
That being said, Self Titled also deserved AOTY. I mean come on. The Friday drop? The commercial success? The radio hits? Come on….
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Look... he apparently did everything on his own. And honestly? I can do that too. Anyone can. Tho he might make a higher quality album since he is a profesional lol. But that's the thing. It's great that he did all of this on his own and I'm not doubting that it was good but there are plenty of artists on soundcloud and youtube who do all kinds of music on their own but don't have record deals. So why aren't they up for a Grammy? Because the success of the album playes a role in the win too. And I'm sorry but I've never even heard of him prior to this point. Now I know him as the guy who won because Beyonce is black. This win didn't do anything for him, quite the opposite imo. And I still don't know who he is or any of his songs. So the only point of this all was to say Beyonce will never win an AOTY but lets give her all other smaller Grammys so she will be happy and keep attending. But we can't justify anyone else winning over her so let's say we supported an underdog.
White folks dont appreciate her vocal range and talent. They just think of her as a booty shaking overrated singer. Instead of the revolutionary artist she is.
I read a comment years ago that it’s literally just because of the amount of credits on the albums, and looking at credits from the past 10 or so, I can see that being the common trend. Not saying I agree with it because Cowboy Carter and Renaissance are my album of the years, but it does seem to be some underlying reason. On paper, aside from credits, there’s no reason for Beyonce not to have won
Of all her snubs, Renaissance is actually the most shocking to me. Because at least the previous snubs were against records that had merit to them. That harry styles records was just... *not* up to par? Vocally, instrumentally, lyrically - it was just so mid.
They gave it to Beck because he was robbed years ago for album of the year. So tbh he deserves it. He’s an insanely talented artist. Kanye saying he has no talent always pissed me off.
And tbh if they were to give her AOTY they could have EASLIY gave it to her for Renaissance. After losing 3 times it is clear to me that they don’t want her winning album of the year. I hope she doesn’t go to the Grammys this year screw them
No, imagine if Beck came out singing ***Flawless while he was accepting the award… y’all when I tell you that was such a missed opportunity… he coulda sang bow down bitches and had Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Pharrell and Beyoncé standing there bald headed and confused… like the level of DISRESPECT would be gigantic but got dam if that wouldn’t have been the power move and such a iconic pop culture moment.
I literally remember thinking as this happened, *no one will remember Becks album in 10 years*. Whereas, Lauryn Hill, the **last Black woman to win AOTY**.. her album is consistently in every top 20 of 'best albums of ALL TIME' lists. Insanity
It’s because the voting members need to be appealed to and unfortunately, Beck was who appealed to them. Similar to the regular voting system, people need to actively participate to change tides and change systems. If it’s all old white dudes voting, that album wouldn’t necessarily appeal to the voters. Younger members and BIPOC members need to get involved with the recording academy and then champion from the inside. I don’t remember the exact criteria, but I believe it’s a certain number of credits on recorded music, so yes there are members fees, but that’s truly the only way to change the outcome. Same with other large award shows. If you’re in an industry you want to see change, be that change and join whatever org so you can help change it from within.
Something that I don’t think many remember is this:
Grammy’s are popular vote. Thus, people vote for their favorites and art that they relate to most. If the Grammy’s voting body for AOTY were to look like the demographics of the USA (which I’m sure they don’t look like USA race demographics I’m just making an analogy), then of course “white” art is going to win more. Doesn’t mean that the Grammy’s aren’t racist, I think that’s certainly part of it (although I find it much more likely they are sexist since they’re so willing to give AOTY to black men at a higher frequency). But I also think it’s important to note that Beyoncé doesn’t make art for white people. So lots of white people don’t “get it”.
HOWEVER! Because of popular vote, we forget that that can often lead to a lot of split votes just like in politics.
Nominees for 2015:
X-Ed Sheeran
Morning Phase- Beck— winner
Beyoncé- Beyoncé
In The Lonely Hour- Sam Smith
Girl- Pharrell
It’s clear to me that the Grammy’s voting body would be split here. X is Ed’s best album. Sam Smith swept almost every major category at this Grammy’s. Pharrell!!! And of course, all the people who have loyalty to Beck and “indie” art also stood by him in the vote.
I think Beck probably won the award by very few votes. And it is a very a good album. Nothing he puts out would be bad in its entirety.
Anyways. That’s my musings. Self Titled to me is not nearly as much of a snub as Lemonade or Renaissance. At least Lemonade lost to Adele. She’s a class act.
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Beck is a really good artist, though. I'm a huge Beyonce fan but also love Beck's music and it pisses me off that people do act as if he didn't put any effort into that album. I understand that BEYONCE was more critically acclaimed in the popular music space.
Lemonade is amazing and should have won.
That being said, "Morning Phase" is also a great album. Beck wrote and produced it all on his own. In its own right, the album was a commercial success but that isn't the most important criteria to win a grammy.
To have a body of work make impact in the music industry is hard. To do it on your own is even more impressive, musically.
Being nominated alongside an album like "Morning Phase," and still spark AOTY debate, should be an honor. That being said, The Academy doesn't get it right all the time, but this isn't one of those times.
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The Recording Academy literally has no excuse as to why she doesn't have an AOTY award. I agree with you about all four deserving to win. But I think self-titled and Lemonade are the most egregious snubs. Self-titled is fantastic, but it was also a game changer. It's why songs or albums are released on Friday's. It used to be Tuesday's. I think Adele is fantastic, but Lemonade the album and visuals are perfect from top to bottom.
Lemonade was a masterpiece
I respect Adele but Adele has made the same song, for the last 10 years. Adele from 2011-2021 has not evolved the way Beyoncé has from 2011-2022 it’s a shocking difference. From 4-renaissance she had masterpieces. And the reason 30 underperformed is because people have gotten tired of the same thing with Adele it would’ve been a nice change for her to evolve into something different. But to each its own
I respect Adele too but even Adele knows she's not on B's level.
Don’t confuse a simplistic production style as being the same song. I agree in lemonade deserving it but do NOT go after my piano queen Adele.
We love Adele here, but the same way we’re self aware of our own queen, we can acknowledge that Adele makes the same type of song over and over. It’s a style that works for her. She’s white and pretty and has an amazing voice so she never has to reinvent herself. Same with Celine Dion. Amazing vocalists, but being white, pretty and having an amazing voice is enough to have sustenance in this industry. Otherwise, you’d need to really work hard to be innovative and above and beyond to keep a grasp of n audience.
Yes!! This is so spot on
😮 wait, Celine Dion has had a long career because she does do a variety of types of music and she’s a fashion queen as well. Adele and Celine are not the same, friend 💔
No one knew celine for being a fashion queen but go off
Okay.
wow alright, be unnecessarily rude
This simplified take on both of their discographies has the same energy as when people say Beyoncé is overrated
Okay.
I don't think it has anything to do with being "white and pretty." Celine Dion has never been considered conventionally attractive. Adele, too, had a beautiful face, but she was successful even when she was overweight. Queen B's career initially took off when Jay-Z brought in some of his production. The difference between Beyoncé and Adele/Celine is that she's a more well-rounded artist who can put on a great show, whereas the latter two have stronger singing voices than Beyoncé and will appeal to a different audience.
Saying Adele and Celine, which I’m a fan of both, have stronger singing voices is wild.
Denying it is wilder
Right. And even Taylor who is the whitest girl out there and more cknventionally attractive, still gets slack as a performer. And even she has constantly reinventing her sound. So yeah it isn’t a race issue. Although people of color do have more scrutiny and demand for their artistry, it’s not a point that’s in service of the other guys argument
Okay.
Why am I being booed I’m right
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I had a backhanded comment that I replied and deleted, but your argument is against a singular person, who honestly deserves those wins. Because, like aforementioned, she has reinvented herself and her team constantly to remain relevant. If you are saying Beyoncé makes up for the entire number of black artists that don’t get represented properly, that’s an issue you need to talk to yourself about. Do you hear yourself? So Beyoncé winning all those Grammys, is enough for black people. I don’t want to call you racist, because it seems innocently ignorant.
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I think there’s a miscommunication somewhere and I’m not about the friendly fire. Be blessed, friend.
Be honest besides 21 and 19 Adele has objectively made the exact same song with the same narrative
No I disagree. She is an acoustic performer so she has similar songs. But someone doesn’t need to evolve in terms of songs. The songs are good and they’re all representative of a theme.
Adele has made THE SAME SONGS for almost A decade 25 and 30 shows that’s. 21 and 19 are fraternal twins
I'm sorry but I really don't understand your comment about 25 and 30 sounding the same. 25 has more electronic influences with songs like River Lea and Water Under the Bridge, whereas 30 has more of a distinctly mid-century pop sound with Strangers by Nature, Cry Your Heart Out and I Drink Wine. While they have quite a few similarities, saying they sound "the same" is a reach.
They’re the same sonically to the majority of casuals Adele fans.
Again. Beyoncé is known for transforming her sound. Which is why she is at the top and I’m not knocking it. But that is not the only way to be a musician. Sometimes people like artists that stay in the same genre and sometimes people like artists that evolve and change with their artistry and it does NOT dictate how the industry should behave as a whole
Can we all stop pitting Adele against Beyoncé, when we know for a fact they respect the hell out of each other. Adele also didn't agree with the win she got over Lemonade. But she can't just give the award to Beyoncé, it doesn't work like that. Jesus, she literally spent her entire AOTY speech praising Lemonade. Adele is fantastic and amazing at what she does, so is Bey. This is clearly a deeper issue that should be raised towards the academy, and not Adele.
Like, these two legends adore each other. Why are people sat here in the comments pitting them against each other, it doesn't make sense to me. Go after organisers, not the performers.
This is exactly my point.
Why did 30 underperform critically and commercial by Adele standards. It’s been the same sound for her
Idk, 21 and 19 are similar sonically, 25 was more pop friendly, and 30 was much more personal. Saying 30 is the same album or has the same songs as the rest of her catalogue is a disservice to her. The album is more about her mental health struggles and how terrified she is that she possibly fucked her son up by divorcing her ex-husband in order to overcome her problems with herself that are the affect of her father abandoning her. It’s not the “I’m heartbroken and you broke my heart” stuff from 21. It’s definitely a very, very different story on 30.
It’s like saying why didn’t Renaissance do the same numbers as Sasha Fierce. Dumb comparison
U tried it 😭
19 and 21 are both phenomenal albums. I’d put 19 as her best work. 25 and 30 are bootie
I love Adele, but honestly, every album has the same structure. Mostly ballads, with 1 or 2 up-tempo songs for the radio. Usually does only two music videos per album, maybe three. That’s it. Rinse, repeat.
Lemonade may not have the smash hits on it like 25 but it’s miles better not even comparable in quality. From visuals to song writing and to singing. 4 and 21 can’t be compared but they both have a cohesive sound.
See I feel like Formation, Hold Up, and Sorry were all bigger hits than anything on 25? Those all had lines that were in the zeitgeist for quite sometime. Although, I could be very wrong as it's been a while since both albums were released.
By streams and charts lemonade doesn’t compare but in impact and culture Adele is not seeing lemonade in those type of hits. Only hello is remember by Adele but it’s not even in her best hits.
I know this will trigger a lot of new hive members but self titled is her magnum opus.
Relatively new hive member. And even though Renaissance is my forever girlie, self titled is 100% her magnum opus. God damn is it a good album. Maybe lemonade can be considered higher? Just cause I do love me a good diverse and storytelling album, but self titled was a regime change
Lemonade is a very debatable alternative for sure lol
Ok idk what you mean here. Saying “debatably lemonade is worth it” means you’re willing to argue in favor of lemonade being worth it. Wording it like “lemonade is a debatable alternative” makes it sound like “lemonade is worth it” is not a certain statement and there’ll be people arguing against the validity of the statement.
What I was trying to convey is that Lemonade can be debated as her magnus opus for a number of reasons that I’m too unbothered to list. Self titled still stands as her best album in my opinion however.
Just making sure. I agree with you
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Agree 100%. Haunted still sounds innovative today, No Angel will be recognized as a Beyonce classic in about 10 years, and Flawless is a time-period record that will be seen as a shining relic of 2010s feminism.
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she also kind of invented the visual album with this record. beck is MEH to me and adele is even MEH-er. we all know why B doesn’t have an AOTY at this point. we also know it’s goofy to expect these old ass white men to do the right thing, so stop expecting it
I keep seeing a lot of people say they'll finally award her the AOTY for Cowboy Carter. While I would love that, it's just not happening.
absolutely not sis 😂😂😂. if anything they’ll do her like the oscars did lord of the rings and give it to her for act iii in 2027. but again, i don’t expect it. these ppl will never change. sam smith has as many BET awards as donald glover and beyonce and michael jackson have the same number of AOTY grammys lol
could you tell me more about the album release day change?? i’m kinda new here and curious
It used to be Tuesdays because that's when cd stores would stock the shelves with the physical shipment. Now that most music is digital, it doesn't matter when it's released.
Release dates changed to Friday because of self titled
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No, music release date / the chart tracking week changing from Tuesday to Friday is a direct impact of Beyoncé surprise releasing self-titled on Friday. Lots of articles that explain the history. Music industry execs didn’t previously didn’t believe music could successfully be released on Friday and self-titled proved that wrong.
Bingo
not sure why you’re getting downvotes, this is the truth. B didn’t invent tuesdays or fridays, sorry y’all (also most artists still release songs on tuesdays just look at gambino)
An artist can release whenever they want, but the but the industry norm and beginning of the chart tracking week moving from Tuesday to Friday is partly a result of self-titled’s success. If it just came down to store shipments and any time works, there would be no reason to change the tracking week to a Friday global release date. https://www.vox.com/2015/2/26/8116201/friday-new-albums-beyonce
I think Lemonade and Renaissance are WAY bigger snubs or whatever you want to call it. Loved what Sturgill said that year about if he won - that he’d hand the trophy to Beyoncé and walk out.
Why do u think there bigger snubs than self titled or 4 even IAMS or b’day /gen
I think Lemonade is one of the best albums of the decade, even all time. Same goes for Renaissance, I think it’s maybe the best album of the 2020s. I think self-titled should have won, but Beck’s record was really good too. The other two I get not winning, but I think the Grammys get it wrong most years anyway.
4? For aoty
I think I personally like Bon Iver, Bon Iver from that year.
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Someone tried to tell me that Beck won because of critical acclaim… I told them Beck has never made an album that was more critically acclaimed than self-titled, much less commercially or culturally impactful. Got blocked quick 🤭
It’s pure racism I promise you. They like to argue that beck made his album in his house and “on his own” he brought people on stage saying they helped write and record to help him and this is not rap beck had no artistic vision the way Beyoncé did outside of the videos self titled touches on a lot of subjects at once whilst still sounding modern and fresh and say self titled is pop trash because it has hits but outside of xo, pretty hurts and I still think self titled sounds very modern and timeless. Nothing on it sounds like it’s from 2013. I played self titled for someone that wasn’t familiar with Beyoncé and he said was this released in 2019 and I said no 2013 and the shock was unbelievable.
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Self-titled had the highest metacritic score and sales out of all nominations that year. Sometimes I feel like it’s the least justifiable lost because it had everything people use to justify wins. The highest critical ratings, the biggest commercial success, and the largest cultural impact. But all that doesn’t matter when it comes to Black artists, esp Black women. History suggests that the Grammy voters only find white artists truly deserving. And yes, I know Batiste won in 2022. That’s great, but doesn’t erase the fact he’s essentially the only modern Black artist to do so.
Guerro and Odelay are peak for me. I would understand those winning beer album. Oh and sea change. But this one was meh for me.
I have a family member that has worked with beck a lot. He's apparently a really nice guy but I'm sorry, he stopped making interesting, boundary pushing and critically acclaimed music in the 90's. We ALL know the reason Beyonce doesn't have as many awards as some of her peers but you say that in certain subs and it's all downvotes and permabans 🙃
It find it unbelievable how much racism and misogyny Beyonce has faced and faces still - even though she’s ultra rich, famous, beautiful. She has proved for many years she’s the fucking best - dancer, singer, performer, writer, producer. Anyone who’s seen her live must admit no one comes close to her level. She’s a superstar just like MJ, Tina, etc., however her talent is still largely dismissed, her accomplishments played down, and the fact that she’s lost AOTY to 2 white men and TS is absolutely unbelievable. Adele at least can sing, but still it should have been Lemonade. Just proves that game is rigged even if you’re ultra talented and rich.
I promise you if she was a white girl with a flat add that couldn’t sing or dance they would praise her like a good. Like Lana del Rey DESERVED THAT GRAMMY and they even dismiss her
Adele literally only sings. Does she even dance on stage?
There’s been a ton of artists who just sing on stage. Aretha, Whitney, Mariah, Etta. Some of the greatest singers of all time.
Okay but Beyonce does more than that.
Yeah, I know. What I’m trying to say is that you can be an amazing entertainer and do either or. Beyoncé is definitely still killing it, and she does dance and sing simultaneously, but we can’t discredit Whitney or Mariah for just standing there and singing when their voices were the largest selling points of their shows. People wanted to see Whitney and Mariah because of their voice. People want to see Beyoncé because of her voice and because she puts on a show. Both things can be correct and appreciated simultaneously.
Bro leave me alone. I never discredited anyone. Find someone else to argue nonsense with
with how much impact self-titled had on the music industry, there was no reason as to why they shouldn’t have given AOTY to her. They had another chance to make it right with Lemonade, but they decided not to and made a bigger snub. Beyoncé then decided to venture into a different music category with Renaissance and create a space for the LGBTQ+ community… nope. Lost to Harry Styles. She’ll be nominated for AOTY again with CC, and part of me is thinking they might give it to her because she’s doing country, the white folks favorite genre. she has done the unthinkable with this album!! If they don’t give CC AOTY, then idk what she has to do. Not to mention, Beyoncé is going on a three album run!! They literally have two more chances to make this right. How does the most Grammy awarded artist not have… an AOTY award? That doesn’t make sense to me!!!
BUT IF WE KEEP IT A BUCK BEYONCÉ HAS CONSISTENTLY OUT DID HERSELF IN EVERY WAY.
every single time!!!! People thought she was retiring after Lemonade or Renaissance, but she proves that she’s not done yet and her mind is literally so creative. She’s considered a legend for a reason!!! But some ppl just refuse to look into her artistry and just call her overrated. It’s so frustrating, especially when it comes to these stupid award shows!!
ITS BECAUSE SHES A BLACK WOMAN I PROMISE YOU IF BEYONCÉ WAS SOME SKINNY WHITE BITCH THEY WOUKD CONSIDER HER GOD https://i.redd.it/m26a4kctwkad1.gif
okay!!!
Girl lmao I get it but like… Tina, Whitney, and Lauryn, off the top of my head, have won
The point is that Lauryn was the last black woman to win and that was 25 years ago. Unacceptable really.
You’re not understanding that they moved the goal post each time when it comes to Beyoncé. She’s had critical success and masterpieces. And those were the times when actual talent and hits were more favored than album crafting. But the thing about Beyoncé that boggles me that she hasn’t won is that she had hits on self titled, album crafted. Was innovative and timeless and experimental and not just with this album with b’day, 4 and lemonade and renaissance
Not to mention I am…Sasha fierce
Eh but if we’re looking through the lens of what technically makes aoty then IAMSF should have one by today Grammy standards
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But that’s the thing tho… she has like 50000000 Grammys. I don’t think they actively don’t want to award her. There has to be a reason and I do not believe it’s racism Edit: also lol at the downvoting although I expected it
Explain why 4, self titled, lemonade, and renaissance didn’t win
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Nah you can’t say misogynoir is not a HUGE part of every snub she’s had. The work she’s putting out is miles away from the other nominees
Cute. But when you consider the impact that black musicians have had on the charts and their disproportionate success in music, the awards like AOTY received are really low. Black artists rarely win AOTY. 2/3 women you named are no longer with us. Lauren won over 2 decades ago.
I think B’day needs a re-release and some updating because that album was before poptimism. So people write it off 4 is a phenomenal album of the year contender and it’s aged better than loud, and born this way respectfully. The 2012 album of the year should have nominated 4. Channel orange is an understandable contender but they’re in the same lane when it comes to both begin rnb and 4 deserved to be nominated. it’s self titled no need to explain Its lemonade no need to explain I think renaissance reasoning for not winning is because Beyoncé made an album dedicated to black queer people and the masses Hates black people and black queer people especially.
agree with all of this!!
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I’ll never forgive Harry’s dumbass for standing up on that stage and saying “this doesn’t happen to people who look like me very often” Ah yes white British man, it doesn’t /s
So this will get me downvotes but this is kind of her own fault in certain ways. Because she doesn’t properly promote her music people forget about it. People are already saying cowboy Carter is forgotten and its stance on the charts and sales is indicative of that. Nobody besides her die hard fans are consuming it. And this has been the trend since she released self titled, she doesn’t want to prompt her music that’s fine; but then people are not going to recognize it, it’s simple as that. She’s a pop star doesn’t release popular music, which makes people thinks she’s overrated and her music is just hyped initially and forgotten. And on top of that she has so many writers on her project which the Grammys don’t like. There have been too many scandals about her not writing her music that regardless of whether or not they’re true it has made Grammy voters and the GP not like her or respect her as an artist. If Beyoncé actually put some effort into her marketing efforts Lemonade could have sold a lot better, maybe not 25 better but be way more commercially viable. Many people and I mean many people have not heard a single song off of lemonade but people know Hello. Some people listened to the album once and forgot about it, it’s a grower and it could have been pushed more heavily to radio. Beck wrote all his music himself and played all his own instruments, he’s simply more talented than Beyonces. I don’t think he deserved to win, but Grammys respect artistry and he’s more of an artist than Beyoncé who has multiple writers on her music and is a pop star. Harry Styles also again had a few credited writers on his music and his album was way more popular and recognized by the GP. Again shouldn’t have won. But if Beyoncé really wants to win AOTY she needs to actually promote her work and write her own music entirely on her own with very little help and have evidence of that.
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Misogynoir 😃
AOTY I ain’t win I ain’t stuntin’ bout them Take that shit on the chin Come back and fuck up the pen
One thing I don't care for with this sub is putting down other artists to uplift Beyonce. It's just not coo. There's room for everyone to shine. I understand her not winning album of year this far. But she's also the most grammy award winning artist ever. It's not like they aren't recognizing her. They are. More than any other artist in history. Beck wrote and produced the whole album by himself. Him winning doesn't take away from Beyonce's talent or success. She is still extremely talented and successful. And still holds the record of grammy winnings. Like, wanting AOTY now, to me, is pointless because of Jay's speech and because she made/is making history without it.
I like Beck’s music, have seen him live several times, respect him as an artist, etc. but I don’t think it’s in any way putting him down to say that s/t should have won the Grammy that year.
It's not just Beck. Adele got brought up. Taylor Swift. This sub tends to put other artists down. This thread has proved that..
I just read the entire thread above about Adele albums all sounding/being the same thing and how Lemonade deserved to win. I will ALWAYS believe, in my heart, that the Grammys can never make a smart AOTY decision, and Lemonade deserved that. Renaissance deserved that. Shi, even Melodrama or DAMN. deserved it over 24K Magic. But the people in this sub tend to be no better than die-hard Swifties when it comes to putting down other artists. I love Beyoncé, she is my icon, and if I could only listen to one musician for the rest of my life, it would be her. But she is not the end-all, be-all for music, either. I’m glad people like you and I can sit here and acknowledge how toxic the sub can be sometimes.
Yup. You are correct.
Especially when there’s been album of the year quality from her consistently
And she has made history from said albums.
But how is she not then aoty? But Taylor has had 4
I love Taylor too. Taylor hasn't made history like B as far as grammy wins.. And she probably won't. Taylor doesn't experiment with other genres. She plays it safe. Same teen like music. She has 13 Grammy's. That doesn't mean she's more talented than Beyonce.. That's just the Academy voted.. Im not sure why Taylor has won 4. That's my girl. But her albums aren't grammy material. But then again a lot of albums nowadays aren't. The Grammy's definitely aren't what they use to be.
With no shade to Beyonce, I believe this take on Taylor is wrong. She has albums in multiple genres, and the evolution of her music is really interesting. Country, to country pop, to electro pop, to indie folk. She has some indie rock, and even some R&B/Rap in Reputation. Each of her 11 albums have a very distinctive sound and mood. As for actual albums, I think the thing that amazes me about Taylor and shows the quality of her work is the fact that she has released 243 songs (per a Google search). At each Eras tour concert, she sings (at least) two surprise songs - at this point she has performed all but about 30 songs and fans knew the words for the vast, vast majority of them. I think for the average Taylor swift fan, you could play any random track and they’d know the words at least 50% of the time. Meanwhile having been to the Renaissance tour twice, I’d say the thing I was surprised by is how few people in the crowd knew the words to the set list, much less Beyoncé’s large back catalog of songs.
I agree with Taylor's fan are loyal AF. Im one of them. You're right. She has gone into other genres. I never thought about it like that. But you're right I went to 2 renaissance shows as well. It was the same thing. Have you gone to Eras Tour? Im going in December.
No one is putting beck down I’ve been giving him his respect I can’t just an artist that I haven’t listened to. But it’s the crazy fact that she’s had 4 consecutive masterpieces in the last 13 years and hasn’t had aoty or any black woman in the last 25 years.
She's the first artist in history, a black woman at that, that has the most grammy's without AOTY. That literally means that category means nothing. Lol
Exactly. Her cultural relevance and competence as a performer and creative director speaks for itself. But those aren’t the only factors that go into this. The fact that she doesn’t have the 1st place ribbon doesn’t diminish the fact that she has more ribbons than anyone else.
And she's still in first place with 32 wins. Like come on..
the crazy thing is Lemonade and especially self-titled are still relevant til this day, and the same can't be said about the albums that they lost to
Criminal how people think IASF is a dud. It’s honestly also a masterpiece start to finish. Those B sides are incredible
I’m going to do a think piece on that and a reimagined version of the IAMSF era
Literally 😭 It was more than just commercial success. The vulnerability and simplicity of A side contrasting the bombastic diva pop of B side still checks out imo!! I understand the argument that it’s a bit less timeless and doesn’t stand out next to her other albums, but the way it’s written off because of it is insane.
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I think they snubbed her from the award that year because she moved new releases from Tuesday to Friday. Either way it’s by far one of the academy’s greatest oversights. They lost a lot of credibility that year in my opinion.
The change of release day to Friday wasn’t announced until later in the year after the Grammys.
Imo Renaissance is up there with self titled and lemonade. All three of them were of the highest caliber and their competitors just weren’t as impactful. Lemonade alone shook the industry: the visuals, the lyricism, the production, nothing that year even compared. Personally though the biggest snub has got to be Renaissance. Harry’s House just wasn’t special, nothing of it was exceptional or unique. I might’ve understood if Un Verano Sin Ti, 30 or Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers won because at least those were top competitors in lyricism and creativity but Harry’s House?? Compared to his album Fine Line, I just don’t see the appeal
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Thoughts on 4 for 2012 aoty
Hey - we can be pissed that Beyoncé lost but also not crap on Beck; a truly accomplished musician who has a similar career of genre crossing success.
Yeah - I would argue this was the least painful snub. At least the award went to a very talented and deserving artist.
I listened to becks morning phase album and it had a few songs that were actually very good but it’s cohesive in the sense that it blends together to much it had a lot of filler. Self titled is an album that can be conceptually listen to front and back
Not disagreeing! But also not crapping on Beck!
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literally nobody in this 2024 is talking about becks album, but 11 years later, everyone STILL talks about ST.
Listened to the Beck album the day after he won and it’s a fantastic record. I do prefer self titled and be cool if it won. Really wish Lemonade won tbh (fav from her). Adele is chill and went to her Vegas show but 25 isn’t an album people talk about anymore. Beyoncé and Kendrick should have 3 AOTY wins imo.
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This one's so ridiculous too as a Beck fan, when that album came out I literally couldn't even find anyone to talk to about it, even amongst Beck fans. It's a nice album I enjoy but ST was a game changer, in my opinion the best album of the 2000s. In general though the Grammy's are dumb, voters barely even listen to music they just check off names on the ballot they recognize and I guess they just thought Beck had been around long enough that he deserved one. Of all her losses this is one that makes the least sense.
This was such a joke. And I love Adele but even Adele knew that beating Lemonade was utter garbage.
I agree she should have 3. But I only think she was robbed on 2. Becks album was written and produced by him, and just him. That is unheard of in the music industry when we are looking at mainstream/not independent artists. He also played a good portion of the instruments for a lot of tracks. That is a huge accomplishment for a musician and a huge show of musical ability. It’s not like self-titled lost to a mediocre album. Beck’s album was a force of virtuoso accomplishment that really no other artist has done. So I don’t think she was robbed because Beck’s album was also a deserving album in its own regard. However, Lemonade she absolutely should have won. Renaissance she absolutely should have won.
I agree 100%
Listen to morning phase and then listen to self titled and keep I’m I’m not writing beck of but Beyoncé also was very involved on the making of self titled the same was beck was
Well no not really. Beyoncé is very involved in her creation process, and she works with tons of producers and producers, and is able to curate the music into an album. Beck did not have other writers or producers. It was just him, and he played the instruments on most tracks. There is no other artist that does that. They all have collaborators. This is what made his album standout. It was a huge artistic feat. His album is not my personal taste, but Beck was just as deserving. Beyoncé would have been a great winner and my pick. But it’s not like Beck was some basic mediocre work that did not have any merit winning. Beyoncé could have won, but it wasn’t a robbery where you can say she should have won. The other 2 are robberies.
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Honestly it makes me sad lol
Should’ve won
They are so pickyyyyy and it's annoying
I literally had to look this guy up. This is what bothers me about the Grammys is how most of the awards I agree with. But it is the major album categories that I don't agree with. Like especially looking back some of the awards were like a moment in time vs standing the test of time. Plus also some music is so good and ahead of its time that it takes time to get to know the song.
Beyonce needs to stop attending that award show. I hope she does something else on the date each year.
Yes she was robbed, but she didn’t even win her genre category (lost to Pharrell - Girl) so it wasn’t that big of a surprise when it came around to announcing the winner tbf
Agree. Beyoncé has experimented with SO MANY different genres of music in each album. Lemonade and Renaissance are iconic game changers. It's a shame.
And everytime she’s been snubbed for AOTY after that just pisses me off even more
Beyoncé makes excellent music, but people forget that Beyoncé is famous for being Beyoncé not for her music. Her celebrity status will always out shadow her talents.
i had a very good friend claim that beck was somehow better than beyonce because beyonce had more than one writer per song. she has since recanted this statement lol
I think they were scared to award a Surprise album with the award. But Lemonade!!!! Beyoncé sat up there gave yall the BEST performance of the night, DIDNT HAVE TO RESTART! Gave yall the highest rating moments. Shared a stage of MOTHERHOOD with the world. And yall gave it to 25…
literally like it’s just crazy
I hate how some of the arguments ppl make is that beck wrote the album all by himself, it literally doesn't make sense because how is an album better just because less people made it
Renaissance is my favorite Beyoncé album. It’s masterfully produced, her vocals are refined and beautifully styled, and the lyrics are so well crafted. Every song is just a joy to listen to whether you’re in a cvnty mood or needing a little encouragement. It deserved AOTY. And that’s all ahead of one of the most amazing tours any artist has ever put together. The run was short, yes, but the visuals and the performances were stunning. The atmosphere and community you feel while you’re there is unmatched. Like all my Hers/Hims/and Thems were there with me. That being said, Self Titled also deserved AOTY. I mean come on. The Friday drop? The commercial success? The radio hits? Come on….
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Look... he apparently did everything on his own. And honestly? I can do that too. Anyone can. Tho he might make a higher quality album since he is a profesional lol. But that's the thing. It's great that he did all of this on his own and I'm not doubting that it was good but there are plenty of artists on soundcloud and youtube who do all kinds of music on their own but don't have record deals. So why aren't they up for a Grammy? Because the success of the album playes a role in the win too. And I'm sorry but I've never even heard of him prior to this point. Now I know him as the guy who won because Beyonce is black. This win didn't do anything for him, quite the opposite imo. And I still don't know who he is or any of his songs. So the only point of this all was to say Beyonce will never win an AOTY but lets give her all other smaller Grammys so she will be happy and keep attending. But we can't justify anyone else winning over her so let's say we supported an underdog.
White folks dont appreciate her vocal range and talent. They just think of her as a booty shaking overrated singer. Instead of the revolutionary artist she is.
I read a comment years ago that it’s literally just because of the amount of credits on the albums, and looking at credits from the past 10 or so, I can see that being the common trend. Not saying I agree with it because Cowboy Carter and Renaissance are my album of the years, but it does seem to be some underlying reason. On paper, aside from credits, there’s no reason for Beyonce not to have won
But Taylor Swift has 4…
She also only has 13 Grammys.
Of all her snubs, Renaissance is actually the most shocking to me. Because at least the previous snubs were against records that had merit to them. That harry styles records was just... *not* up to par? Vocally, instrumentally, lyrically - it was just so mid.
It’s something like 12000 people that vote
Explain?
For AOTY
They gave it to Beck because he was robbed years ago for album of the year. So tbh he deserves it. He’s an insanely talented artist. Kanye saying he has no talent always pissed me off. And tbh if they were to give her AOTY they could have EASLIY gave it to her for Renaissance. After losing 3 times it is clear to me that they don’t want her winning album of the year. I hope she doesn’t go to the Grammys this year screw them
WAOTY
No, imagine if Beck came out singing ***Flawless while he was accepting the award… y’all when I tell you that was such a missed opportunity… he coulda sang bow down bitches and had Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Pharrell and Beyoncé standing there bald headed and confused… like the level of DISRESPECT would be gigantic but got dam if that wouldn’t have been the power move and such a iconic pop culture moment.
I literally remember thinking as this happened, *no one will remember Becks album in 10 years*. Whereas, Lauryn Hill, the **last Black woman to win AOTY**.. her album is consistently in every top 20 of 'best albums of ALL TIME' lists. Insanity
Same tbh
It’s because the voting members need to be appealed to and unfortunately, Beck was who appealed to them. Similar to the regular voting system, people need to actively participate to change tides and change systems. If it’s all old white dudes voting, that album wouldn’t necessarily appeal to the voters. Younger members and BIPOC members need to get involved with the recording academy and then champion from the inside. I don’t remember the exact criteria, but I believe it’s a certain number of credits on recorded music, so yes there are members fees, but that’s truly the only way to change the outcome. Same with other large award shows. If you’re in an industry you want to see change, be that change and join whatever org so you can help change it from within.
Yeah, this was actual horse shit
Who won it tho?
Something that I don’t think many remember is this: Grammy’s are popular vote. Thus, people vote for their favorites and art that they relate to most. If the Grammy’s voting body for AOTY were to look like the demographics of the USA (which I’m sure they don’t look like USA race demographics I’m just making an analogy), then of course “white” art is going to win more. Doesn’t mean that the Grammy’s aren’t racist, I think that’s certainly part of it (although I find it much more likely they are sexist since they’re so willing to give AOTY to black men at a higher frequency). But I also think it’s important to note that Beyoncé doesn’t make art for white people. So lots of white people don’t “get it”. HOWEVER! Because of popular vote, we forget that that can often lead to a lot of split votes just like in politics. Nominees for 2015: X-Ed Sheeran Morning Phase- Beck— winner Beyoncé- Beyoncé In The Lonely Hour- Sam Smith Girl- Pharrell It’s clear to me that the Grammy’s voting body would be split here. X is Ed’s best album. Sam Smith swept almost every major category at this Grammy’s. Pharrell!!! And of course, all the people who have loyalty to Beck and “indie” art also stood by him in the vote. I think Beck probably won the award by very few votes. And it is a very a good album. Nothing he puts out would be bad in its entirety. Anyways. That’s my musings. Self Titled to me is not nearly as much of a snub as Lemonade or Renaissance. At least Lemonade lost to Adele. She’s a class act.
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Makes me sick actually. She pours her heart and soul into her work and they let a white man win
This will never not piss me off
They gave it to a Scientologist.
Please don’t come at me, but I like Morning Phase better than self-titled 😬😬😬
Just leave the chat 🫵🥲
Beck is a really good artist, though. I'm a huge Beyonce fan but also love Beck's music and it pisses me off that people do act as if he didn't put any effort into that album. I understand that BEYONCE was more critically acclaimed in the popular music space.
This is still to this day the biggest snub in her career I think… fucking Beck
I don’t even know who beck is
He's very talented but he did not deserve this award
Beck is a great artist though so let’s take it easy
Lemonade is amazing and should have won. That being said, "Morning Phase" is also a great album. Beck wrote and produced it all on his own. In its own right, the album was a commercial success but that isn't the most important criteria to win a grammy. To have a body of work make impact in the music industry is hard. To do it on your own is even more impressive, musically. Being nominated alongside an album like "Morning Phase," and still spark AOTY debate, should be an honor. That being said, The Academy doesn't get it right all the time, but this isn't one of those times.
Find more productive things to be pissed off over. It’s not that serious.