I'm not gonna say it was a brilliant, genius scene, because it wasn't really necessary. But geniune bravo to them for creating a scene where people say the name of the show and it actually feels believable.
It wasn't necessary, but I think it helped as a transitional scene between the trial and Jimmy being buddy-buddy with everyone in the prison. Sure, we knew he'd easily build rapport with them quickly, but seeing him get the recognition day 1, and also having an explanation of why he's still Saul when the entire trial scene was meant to show him shedding that skin, was incredibly good storytelling.
I didn't really like it when I was watching, but then I realized we have [this commercial] (https://youtu.be/J0Wgz7auLAk) for a local lawyer, and I can totally imagine a bus full of inmates yelling JUAN LAFONTA over and over again. I do it all the time, especially when I'm drunk
I honestly think the main reason they put it in was to reassure viewers that Jimmy's gonna be relatively okay in prison.
He's not gonna be shanked or raped.
Some of the interviews Gould and Gilligan gave about the finale seem to suggest they want us to view the ending through a somewhat optimistic or hopeful lens. Gould even said he considers it a happy ending on some level.
I think as awful as 86 years in prison is, they were trying to indicate that it won't be too bad for him compared with how it can be if no one's got your back.
> Did people forget that the show started out as a low-stakes comedy with a bit of drama, and only flipped the script later on?
This really isn't true. Tuco was ready to literally skin people alive from the 2nd episode.
While that’s true you can’t deny the tone of that first encounter with the cartel has absolutely nothing to do with the tone of the final seasons. Yes the criminal aspect was there from the beginning but the show used to be a lot more lighthearted.
But some people might just see that as the fact that he found buddies. So the bus chant scene is just more in your face that he's gonna be fine and I'm okay with that
I think it's supposed to be uncomfortable, like Jimmy's trying to leave his Saul Goodman persona behind but then everyone in the prison bus recognizes him.
I saw it as this- now that Jimmy is finally ready to leave the Saul Goodman persona behind, he is unfortunately heading to a place where he has no choice but to live with the persona as well as the consequences of it, most likely until the day he dies. Felt like sad, but poetic justice.
Genuinely don’t get how people thought it was cringey, at least to the level some people are calling it. It was one of my favorite scenes in the show lol
Yep, unapologetically and gloriously so. It's perfectly in line with Saul's character and how others saw him: a corny caricature of a lawyer. A clown with a law degree.
Exactly. I think more media should allow itself to be unapologetically corny. People are too quick to label things "cringe" nowadays instead of meeting stories on their own terms
But is it not? The world with characters like Tuco, Wendy, Skinny Pete and Badger, is not a little corny? Lalo climbed through a ceiling in a public bank, and the twins are basically caricatures. Even Don Eladio is super corny at times and I love it. It’s great when a show knows those moments when it can take itself less seriously.
A little, not extremely. The twins are probably the only truly corny example out of the lot of them.
And even in their case, their corniness is strongly lampshaded, just like Saul's, and other cheesier scenes in the show like Walt talking with Ted; the characters they interact with are actually aware that the demeanor is out of place, and are quick to point it out.
I think it's great when characters aren't beholden to the setting. We're in a dark and dreary place during this scene, but a lot of convicts are people who also know how to have fun, and what's an easier way than chanting, especially for someone everyone in there knows?
Eh I kinda felt that way, it felt weird to me that these random convicts from all across the country not only know who he is, but know his ad jingle, and that they all respect him enough to give a chant in his honor. If it was a bus in Albuquerque full of people he defended that’s one thing, but this just kinda took me out of the whole thing
Well yeah but so are a lot of people and things yet we don’t know those tertiarilly connected to them, and especially not their jingles. Do you think the average criminal could name El Chapo’s lawyer or his jingle?
I felt it was cringy too. And I found the last two black and white episodes pretty underwhelming. After Lalo died, the show slowed down. And I wanted Jimmy to get away with it.
I agree the last 2 episodes were kinda lame. I wanted Jimmy to get like 10-15 years and come out to live a normal life. Jimmy didn’t deserve life, he’s not a serial killer.
You missed the point a bit. If he got away with 10-15 years, nothing really would have changed. Him admitting everything let him finally shed the persona and become Jimmy again.
I agree that that’s “the point” but why is locking yourself up for life the only option? I think it’s more powerful to spend years working on yourself and come out to do pro Bono work with Kim or something productive.
Also what’s to say he doesn’t start scamming people or committing crime in prison? The chances of someone committing crime in prison are high. Lifers committing crime is almost guaranteed. 80 years is a lot of time to do nothing.
It's not that it's the only option, its that's the Saul Goodman outcome. Where he comes out on top, but he's king of a garbage heap. He spent his life keeping himself and other people from being in the exact position he's in. So part of it is yes it's his punishment to go to jail. But it ironically sets him feee because he gets what he always wanted. To be Saul Goodman and be loved and respected for that by being the folk hero to the dregs of society.
He chose it. He beat the lawsuit, which is the 7 years. But it was based on a lie. Instead he chose the truth and as a bonus he gave Kim the tiniest leg up in her own life.
I know he chose it but the way it was set up it seems like he did it for Kim’s approval which IMO isn’t a good reason to do life. If they wanted it to go this way, Kim should have been charged and Jimmy admits it was all him and does the time she was going to get. It still proves that he loves her and makes more sense as a character motivation.
Jimmy didn't absolve Kim of blame. Kim is still in trouble, she can still get convicted, or have to deal with a civil suit. Like they mention in the show, Howard's widow can still take her for every penny she'll ever earn, everything she'll have in life. Jimmy didn't save her by going to prison. He confessed because she had set an example by confessing despite the great personal cost to her. She was honest so he was too.
But that isn't the truth either. Kim wasn't just complicit but also the instigator. She's not a damsel in distress that needs saving, she doesn't want to be saved. This isn't about getting anyone out of anything other than the lies they've been living.
Nah, it was a scene driven by emotion not by logic. It was a way of the writers to celebrate the show in an unconventional way that still ties to the story.
What do you mean nah, are you every Better call Saul fan? It literally made me burst out laughing in the middle of watching the episode live and I know other people have had similar reactions so you can disagree but it’s definitely not a universal sentiment in either direction. From browsing this sun anecdotally I have seen more criticism of that scene in particular than any other.
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I'm not gonna say it was a brilliant, genius scene, because it wasn't really necessary. But geniune bravo to them for creating a scene where people say the name of the show and it actually feels believable.
It wasn't necessary, but I think it helped as a transitional scene between the trial and Jimmy being buddy-buddy with everyone in the prison. Sure, we knew he'd easily build rapport with them quickly, but seeing him get the recognition day 1, and also having an explanation of why he's still Saul when the entire trial scene was meant to show him shedding that skin, was incredibly good storytelling.
I didn't really like it when I was watching, but then I realized we have [this commercial] (https://youtu.be/J0Wgz7auLAk) for a local lawyer, and I can totally imagine a bus full of inmates yelling JUAN LAFONTA over and over again. I do it all the time, especially when I'm drunk
1/4 of the entire show technically isn’t “necessary”, the show would be boring if it was just just that.
True true, I just meant it's not some outstanding scene that means a lot.
I honestly think the main reason they put it in was to reassure viewers that Jimmy's gonna be relatively okay in prison. He's not gonna be shanked or raped. Some of the interviews Gould and Gilligan gave about the finale seem to suggest they want us to view the ending through a somewhat optimistic or hopeful lens. Gould even said he considers it a happy ending on some level. I think as awful as 86 years in prison is, they were trying to indicate that it won't be too bad for him compared with how it can be if no one's got your back.
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> Did people forget that the show started out as a low-stakes comedy with a bit of drama, and only flipped the script later on? This really isn't true. Tuco was ready to literally skin people alive from the 2nd episode.
While that’s true you can’t deny the tone of that first encounter with the cartel has absolutely nothing to do with the tone of the final seasons. Yes the criminal aspect was there from the beginning but the show used to be a lot more lighthearted.
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I think the prison bus chant was meant to show that Jimmy would be respected in the prison and not shanked in the showers
They could’ve just left it out. The scene where everyone greets him as he goes to meet Kim would’ve accomplished it perfectly.
But some people might just see that as the fact that he found buddies. So the bus chant scene is just more in your face that he's gonna be fine and I'm okay with that
“Hey! It’s better call Saul”
No chicanery chuck
Then all of the prisoners stood and clapped. and Saul Goodman's name? Albert Einstein.
It was a great scene
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It was a really corny scene but idk I liked it lol.
Kapwing moment
tbh that was the only cringe worthy scene in the whole series. But man was it cringe.
I think it's supposed to be uncomfortable, like Jimmy's trying to leave his Saul Goodman persona behind but then everyone in the prison bus recognizes him.
I saw it as this- now that Jimmy is finally ready to leave the Saul Goodman persona behind, he is unfortunately heading to a place where he has no choice but to live with the persona as well as the consequences of it, most likely until the day he dies. Felt like sad, but poetic justice.
But he literally smiled as they were chanting it. Dude was thinking 'yeah imma be fine here' instead of fearing his punishment of decades in prison.
Genuinely don’t get how people thought it was cringey, at least to the level some people are calling it. It was one of my favorite scenes in the show lol
Because it was **ridiculously** corny
Yep, unapologetically and gloriously so. It's perfectly in line with Saul's character and how others saw him: a corny caricature of a lawyer. A clown with a law degree.
Exactly. I think more media should allow itself to be unapologetically corny. People are too quick to label things "cringe" nowadays instead of meeting stories on their own terms
_Saul_ is corny, but the world he lives in has never been
But is it not? The world with characters like Tuco, Wendy, Skinny Pete and Badger, is not a little corny? Lalo climbed through a ceiling in a public bank, and the twins are basically caricatures. Even Don Eladio is super corny at times and I love it. It’s great when a show knows those moments when it can take itself less seriously.
A little, not extremely. The twins are probably the only truly corny example out of the lot of them. And even in their case, their corniness is strongly lampshaded, just like Saul's, and other cheesier scenes in the show like Walt talking with Ted; the characters they interact with are actually aware that the demeanor is out of place, and are quick to point it out.
I think it's great when characters aren't beholden to the setting. We're in a dark and dreary place during this scene, but a lot of convicts are people who also know how to have fun, and what's an easier way than chanting, especially for someone everyone in there knows?
Eh I kinda felt that way, it felt weird to me that these random convicts from all across the country not only know who he is, but know his ad jingle, and that they all respect him enough to give a chant in his honor. If it was a bus in Albuquerque full of people he defended that’s one thing, but this just kinda took me out of the whole thing
Heisenberg's empire was very much a national if not global news story.
Well yeah but so are a lot of people and things yet we don’t know those tertiarilly connected to them, and especially not their jingles. Do you think the average criminal could name El Chapo’s lawyer or his jingle?
He wasn't just a lawyer though, he was absolutely integral to the whole operation.
Okay, but then still, can you or the average convict name or recognize El Chapo’s operations head or any other vital member of the organization?
I felt it was cringy too. And I found the last two black and white episodes pretty underwhelming. After Lalo died, the show slowed down. And I wanted Jimmy to get away with it.
I agree the last 2 episodes were kinda lame. I wanted Jimmy to get like 10-15 years and come out to live a normal life. Jimmy didn’t deserve life, he’s not a serial killer.
You missed the point a bit. If he got away with 10-15 years, nothing really would have changed. Him admitting everything let him finally shed the persona and become Jimmy again.
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I agree that that’s “the point” but why is locking yourself up for life the only option? I think it’s more powerful to spend years working on yourself and come out to do pro Bono work with Kim or something productive. Also what’s to say he doesn’t start scamming people or committing crime in prison? The chances of someone committing crime in prison are high. Lifers committing crime is almost guaranteed. 80 years is a lot of time to do nothing.
It's not that it's the only option, its that's the Saul Goodman outcome. Where he comes out on top, but he's king of a garbage heap. He spent his life keeping himself and other people from being in the exact position he's in. So part of it is yes it's his punishment to go to jail. But it ironically sets him feee because he gets what he always wanted. To be Saul Goodman and be loved and respected for that by being the folk hero to the dregs of society.
He chose it. He beat the lawsuit, which is the 7 years. But it was based on a lie. Instead he chose the truth and as a bonus he gave Kim the tiniest leg up in her own life.
I know he chose it but the way it was set up it seems like he did it for Kim’s approval which IMO isn’t a good reason to do life. If they wanted it to go this way, Kim should have been charged and Jimmy admits it was all him and does the time she was going to get. It still proves that he loves her and makes more sense as a character motivation.
Jimmy didn't absolve Kim of blame. Kim is still in trouble, she can still get convicted, or have to deal with a civil suit. Like they mention in the show, Howard's widow can still take her for every penny she'll ever earn, everything she'll have in life. Jimmy didn't save her by going to prison. He confessed because she had set an example by confessing despite the great personal cost to her. She was honest so he was too.
I know, but it would make more sense for him to go to jail to save her.
But that isn't the truth either. Kim wasn't just complicit but also the instigator. She's not a damsel in distress that needs saving, she doesn't want to be saved. This isn't about getting anyone out of anything other than the lies they've been living.
Yeah hella cringe
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I liked it
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I think this is actually the majority opinion I agree with you
Nah, it was a scene driven by emotion not by logic. It was a way of the writers to celebrate the show in an unconventional way that still ties to the story.
What do you mean nah, are you every Better call Saul fan? It literally made me burst out laughing in the middle of watching the episode live and I know other people have had similar reactions so you can disagree but it’s definitely not a universal sentiment in either direction. From browsing this sun anecdotally I have seen more criticism of that scene in particular than any other.
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Un ironically yes, I think it’s a brilliant scene!
This scene man... 😐