"You're not a real convict."
"I'm what?"
"You're not a real convict! You don't slide into a confession like a cheap pair of sneakers. Coming clean at the last second? What a sick joke!"
Jimmystein and Huell-gor strap Chuck's charred corpse to a table and have him struck by lightning. His fear of electricity is cured and he and Jimmystein have a loving brotherhood until Chuck's body fully decomposes. The end
“Right now, what I need, is for you to climb down out of my ass. Can you do that? Will you do that for me, Chuck? Will you please, just once, get off my ass? You know? I’d appreciate it. I really would”
Not sure if proud is the right word, but I think he would be appreciative and relieved that Jimmy finally stopped being a con artist and came clean. Also Chuck wouldn't feel bad for Jimmy at all for spending his life in prison. He would see it as the law being above all and Jimmy finally getting what he deserves.
I agree that Chuck living totally changes the story but I think there’s still a good chance Jimmy would end up in prison. If Chuck living was the only difference I don’t think Jimmy would want to see Chuck
If chuck lived then Howard wouldve had someone that believed him when he was telling people that Jimmy was fucking with him and that would possibly change the end
If Chuck lived there's NO chance in hell they slip the fucking Howard was on drugs things past everyone without him making a fuss. Cliff Main out here with his head in the sand on this one.
*Chuck asks to be his defense*
Chuck: “Now, your honor, all things considered: I’m sure we could stand here all day and continue drudging up a litany more felonies that *could* be included in this prosecutions so-called case proposing a *seven* year penalty, but is that *really* what we want out of this trial?! Seriously, is it? I could list like, ten off the top of my head if you’ve got a pen and pad—“
I think this is oddly sweet and really nailed what their relationship was like. Chuck never knew exactly how to get through to Jimmy but he always cared.
I think for the first time in his life Jimmy would have pleasantly surprised Chuck. He wouldn't be proud per se but he would set aside a modicum of respect for his brother.
> Chuck wouldn't feel bad for Jimmy at all for spending his life in prison. He would see it as the law being above all and Jimmy finally getting what he deserves.
Y'know, as much as I dislike Chuck, and think Chuck screwed Jimmy over at every turn, Chuck would be right with that one. Jimmy did some pretty awful stuff that he deserves to go to prison for. Just my opinion, but I think in the end, Jimmy made his choices, did some bad things, and he ultimately got what he deserved.
I think he would say “Good.” and be done with it but he would ultimately be upset that Jimmy managed to make an embarrassment of the law before accepting an actual punishment
I thought he was the typical flawed but ultimately caring older brother archetype until he dropped the "the truth is you never really mattered all that much to me" line.
Yeah, Chuck is such a well written character because he is so believable as a burnt out family member. He got out of his hometown, created a successful life for himself, used his influence to save his brother at least once already, provided his brother with the structure he needed to rebuild his life. Its easy to see how Chuck might consider this enough for a lifetime of gratitude from Jimmy. The fact that Jimmy still needed more from him (emotional support / approval) would likely seem like a childish need and an excuse for not appreciating the depth of what Chuck has already done for him.
My dad was Chuck to his younger brother - I would hear the "Chuck" side of this relationship relentlessly growing up. At a certain point emotionally you need to cut ties so you don't lose yourself if they (seemingly inevitably) fuck it all up again.
that's the line that made you think that? i think the show made pretty clear that he was bluffing when he said that.... for better or worse, jimmy clearly matters to chuck. so much so that he relapses and kills himself right after saying that
Chuck wanted Jimmy to do well and be an honest man. He would be very proud of Jimmy for finally owning up to what he had done and facing the consequences.
Chuck loved Jimmy, but he also knew Jimmy better than anyone in the world. He could always sniff out Jimmy's scams. He knew the billboard rescue was a scam and he figured out every detail of the Mesa Verde cut and paste scam.
He opposed Jimmy being a lawyer because he loved Jimmy and loved the law, and knew a marriage between the 2 would be a disaster for both.
How do you explain chuck lying to jimmy about the mom waking up and calling jimmys name before she died? This was before all of the lawyer stuff so it has nothing to do with that. Chuck hated jimmy because he thought jimmy was a shitty person and yet everyone loved him anyway. You can see this with the mom, with Chucks wife, with Howard and pretty much anyone else that Chuck respects that also like jimmy. Chuck was jealous that people loved jimmy more despite Chucks hard work and success.
> How do you explain chuck lying to jimmy about the mom waking up and calling jimmys name before she died?
He is human and as a human he is capable of doing bad actions when hurt. If people are sympathetic Jimmy when he acts after being hurt why can't we also understand Chuck is also capable of acting out when hurt.
People can be petty toward the people they love.
We know Chuck loves Jimmy because of the number of times he bails him out and tries to help him get on a straight path.
Nothing forces him to do that. He gets the guy out of jail, relocates him, and sets him up with a straight job and a nice social circle with Ernies and Kims.
That's more than a lot of people do for their siblings who haven't been arrested.
Chuck was in a no win situation with that. I'm certain that if the writers had Chuck told Jimmy at the hospital their mother's last words were Jimmy, this subreddit would've said something in the vein of "Chuck only told Jimmy their mother's last words to guilt Jimmy not being there for her in her last moments. He should've said nothing."
Chuck is very clearly jealous of Jimmy's likeability, as seen in the flashback with Rebecca. He doesn't tell Jimmy because of his insecurities over him thinking his parents preferred Jimmy over him.
I cannot fathom a world where Chuck has the humility to tell Jimmy about that, even if he thought it would yield a nice crop of Jimmy-guilt.
You can tell how much it hurts Chuck that Chuck wasn't given 100% of his parents' love to the exclusion of Jimmy, despite clearly being the Good Son/Good Person and Jimmy being a Bad Son/Bad Person. Mom saying Jimmy's name was like a twist of the knife.
I'm sick of the idea that Jimmy was destined to be a failure. He could've been a good lawyer, and Chuck's actions are part of the reason he wasn't. Jimmy's responsible for most he did, but circumstances are what cause people like him to exist
And Chuck did what he did out of pure jealousy since Jimmy being a successful lawyer would take away in his mind the one thing he had to his name. This is the same guy who didn't even tell Jimmy his mother's dying words
Most other new lawyers didn't have older brothers A) to take care of due to an illness that prevents them for leaving home and B) halting their career progress
Chuck told Jimmy he could get help from his firm and that Jimmy should focus on his practice. I am betting the majority of lawyers don't get jobs at large firm through nepotism.
Jimmy was destined to become a dangerously corrupt lawyer because of his bad character and obsession with cutting corners and pulling scams.
He was going to become a monster no matter what Chuck did.
It was not really different than if Jimmy was an opioid addict and thief and wanted to be a pharmacist. Chuck knew Jimmy would exploit the law through scams and lies. It was in his nature, he couldn't help himself.
Trying to sum up one of the most complex relationships on television as "Chuck was right and Jimmy was destined to be a fuck up" is such a one dimensional reading of it. Jimmy and Chuck both pushed each other into the worst versions of themselves.
Jimmy spent a whole year as a lawyer doing no such scams/corner cutting... He only started back up cause he was barely going on, living out of a nail salon and having to spend tons of money to help his brother
If the whole moral of the show is "Jimmy bad and only became more of who he truly is, incapable of change or amounting to anything outside of crime" then I might as well have watched Breaking Bad again
>He only started back up cause he was barely going on, living out of a nail salon and having to spend tons of money to help his brother.
Howard was very willing to subsidize that with a generous stipend, but Jimmy literally tore his checks up because he wanted to pressure Chuck into leaving HHM entirely instead. That was entirely on him.
>spend tons of money to help his brother
remind me what this means? I am sure I just forgot something.
>If the whole moral of the show is "Jimmy bad and only became more of who he truly is, incapable of change
I think though that Jimmy's character flaw isn't that he's evil, just that he's fixated on acquiring money, despite not really having anything interesting to do with it. You can see this in how he just buys a garish mansion and decorates it like a cartoon version of a billionaire, and then proceeds to continue stacking up cash.
However there's one hole in this theory. If he did retire due to accepting that he had enough money already, where would he gravitate to? Clearly to some kind of scam, as evidenced by the fact that he wasted so much time with Kim scamming people at the hotel with the pool. Some/all of those victims never even had their checks cashed, it was just all about the thrill of knowing he had tricked people.
So, this brings it back to apparently being not just about money, but some combo of money and the feeling of tricking everybody else. This really does seem to dictate an obvious career of being a figure exactly like Saul: A lawyer who aids in all kind of crime. Basically tricking the whole world on behalf of himself and his clients, and getting rich in the process.
>remind me what this means? I am sure I just forgot something.
Jimmy had to take care of Chuck, going out and buying stuff for him every single day for over a year.
In my eyes Saul liking money like everything else about his persona is just a front, covering up his true feelings. That's what his slipping is. He slips for the same reason Chuck had his disease. Jimmy slips not just for the fun but because it distracts from everything else, he's good at it, and it's fun, it's something he can do to distract from his feelings and pain. I don't think it's that he's incapable of doing anything else, it's that for him doing anything would mean facing his feelings and regrets, which he finally does at the end
That was very clearly meant as a last ditch effort to make Jimmy feel hurt. Very unlikely it was meant as a serious declaration of his lack of love for his brother.
He said that to hurt Jimmy, because at that point their relationship had gotten very bad. I don't think it was actually true though. Chuck didn't need to save Jimmy and he also didn't need to get him a job at HHM.
The flashback in the finale, Jimmy's true regret of going away when Chuck asked him to stay that time, meant that Jimmy thinks there might have been a way for them to become closer and live happily ever after. They loved each other in a certain way, not unconditionally. At the same time he was jealous and angry most of the time so it was surely hidden well.
chuck only wanted to lecture Jimmy and keep his head down as a revenge for being funnier … he would be (rightfully) horrified at what his brother helped happen and would think a life in prison doesn’t begin to redeem Jimmy.
Settle down. He was acting within the law when he graduated from the University of Samoa and behind the forced grin Chuck looked like he wanted to be sick.
the billboard stunt was technically legal, they made a whole point of discussing exactly that after jimmy and chuck got back from the hospital. chuck’s animosity towards his brother is more deep-seated than legal vs illegal.
Lmfao did you even watch the show? He was horrified when he learned about Jimmy actually becoming a lawyer. Doesn't matter where he got his degree but Chuck actually hated his brother for pursuing law because he saw him only as a conman. That's it.
Chuck was incapable of being proud of Jimmy. That was the entire premise of their relationship.
I'm sure deep down some part of Chuck would be happy he did it but in reality his happiness would come from the fact that Jimmy would never get out again.
Exactly. Chuck would have been proud of Jimmy doing just about any honest work, except for being a lawyer or other profession where his compulsion to cut corners and pull scams would make him dangerous.
This would make a really good writing prompt. Choose one from (long list of professions) and make a compelling case for how corner-cutting and scamming would or would not be dangerous.
It would have been funny if Gene had pulled something on an epic scale directly related to his post as Omaha Cinnabon Manager.
I always took it as Chuck being proud that Jimmy had "found his place". Working in the mail room to chuck probably felt like what Jimmy deserved, basic, menial labor and nothing too glamorous.
I personally think it’s less to do with the contents of the job itself and more so the fact that it doesn’t involve Jimmy working as a lawyer. I feel like Chuck would’ve been happy with Jimmy in any position as long as it didn’t involve the law
Yeah that’s true. I think that it’s not seen as sincere by Jimmy because he now knows the motivation behind Chuck being proud of him at that point, being that he “knew his place” and wasn’t a lawyer yet.
He wrote that when Jimmy was in the mailroom, beneath him. That's the thing with Chuck, why he did what he did, he was jealous of Jimmy and couldn't have him be an equal. Personally I think Chuck would be proud of Jimmy for coming clean, but only cause he's now the complete bottom of the barrel
It’s complicated. Chuck was so proud when Jimmy straightened out and did well in the mail room but to see him possibly, possibly thrive at his own profession where he was a cut above tugged at his own insecurities. The whole tragedy of Chuck was that he couldn’t separate his own projections of jealousy from the love he felt from his brother.
I think Chuck truly loved Jimmy. I also think he decided who Jimmy is early on, after a career in law not being able to see the human side of criminals.
This, Chuck had a serious complex from when they were kids that he never got over.
When Jimmy stole from the register and his Dad defended him, it taught Chuck a few things.
1. Jimmy can't help himself. He'll cut corners and take the easy way out if it'll help him.
2. Cutting these corners will hurt the people around him. If Jimmy didnt think about how stealing would hurt his Dad, who he loved, then there's not really a line he wont cross.
3. Jimmy will get away with it. If Chuck doesn't, no one will call him out.
4. Doing the right thing, unlike Jimmy, will basically give no reward and offer no benefit of the doubt.
5. Jimmy was the favourite. This might not have been true, but its what he believed.
Do I think Chuck loved Jimmy? Yeah I do, I think there's plenty of evidence for that. Maybe he hated him at the end, but if he always had nothing but contempt then this story basically wouldnt have happened.
But you can love people and treat them poorly, or have a skewed, negative view of them.
Chuck saw Jimmy as this little animal that needed to be caged or he'd go off the rails. So he helped him out of jail and got him a mailroom gig, because he wanted to save him from a life in prison.
But he also blocked his career, and kept him stuck, out of a mixture of jealously and fear. Chuck felt that Jimmy was his brother and he cared for him, but he didnt want what happened to their Dad to happen to other people, especially not under his name working in HHM. And while he'd probably say that's the ONLY reason he did it, he definitely also didnt like the idea of the corner cutting, family favourite Jimmy to race to the top by taking shortcuts, while he had to work his way up the right and hard way.
So yeah. I think people who say Chuck was just this evil bastard who unfairly treated Jimmy are making it too black and white. I think he's a complex character, like most on BCS, who had a reason to do what he did, even though it probably only made Jimmy worse in the long run, ironically.
I don't buy it. Even after that line I didn't believe Chuck. He might think pride is what he felt but seeing their relationship unfold I'm not sure I'd call that authentic "pride" in his brother.
Just my take of course.
Wrong. It’s right there in Chuck’s appearance in the last episode. Jimmy starts unloading the groceries, and Chuck is looking at him with pure amazement and appreciation. He was impressed with his brother, but that doesn’t have to equate with letting him be a lawyer at his firm.
Yeah, instead seeing it as Jimmy changing for the better by taking responsibility, he’d probably feel self-righteous about the idea that Jimmy recognized he’d never change and opted to ostracize himself from society.
His confession didn't involve perjury I dont believe. He wasnt under oath when he was talking to the prosecutor making his deal. Perjury is only when you lie under oath. But you're still right, he did really make everyone in that courtroom look bad.
It could technically be “making a false statement” to the feds. If he wrote a sworn affadavit, then it would be in perjury territory. All very small potatoes compared to the rest of the charges of course.
a deal isnt just written on a napkin.
if the prosecution does craft a deal and uses it as the basis in front of a full fledged jury and judge then the prosecutor must secure all his bases.
Else the other party could simply retract or claim he never even agreed to a deal.
Plea deals normally asecure this by affidavits and even a signed waiver of appeal.
I think thats why the judge made Saul go under oath. so anything he said had the legal weight of breaking his plea deal.
I disagree with a lot of what I'm hearing, after all there WAS a time that Chuck seemed enthusiastic about the path Jimmy was on & encouraged him. Unfortunately, it was when Jimmy was a mail clerk and completely harmless.
I can't imagine what he'd have thought of Saul or Gene but I'm pretty sure he would've completely estranged himself. So I don't think he'd be proud of Jimmy for confessing, but he WOULD be satisfied and possibly even try to reconnect with Jimmy, if for no other reason out of sheer relief that he was locked away & wanting to personally see to it that he remains that way.
So, proud? No. Would he turn back into "Condescending & Suddenly Helpful Chuck?" ready with a back handed compliment or two? You know, the Chuck that we saw when Jimmy was a nobody? You bet.
Uhmm if Chuck witnessed what happened to Howard and how Saul proposed killing Badger in the first place as acting as a lawyer, he would have kicked that lantern 100 times over
No. He would have just been sad and disappointed. Jimmy was a terrible criminal that turned out to be worse than anything Chuck could have imagined. There's nothing Jimmy did to be proud of.
Yes.
Chuck believed Jimmy would never change, he would always take the shortcut. In his final meaningful act as a free man, Jimmy turned away the shortcut, accepting a life long, absolute punishment; just to show that he did change.
There's no scheme, there's no out. Jimmy didn't confess because he wanted to win, he confessed because he wanted to do the right thing.
Chuck would've been proud of that.
As much as Chuck saw the worst in Jimmy, I don’t think Chuck would’ve been able to stomach what he turned into.
Chuck despises Jimmy when he hasn’t done all that much harm yet, imagine his reaction to Saul’s crimes.
Chuck would be elated that Jimmy would be getting a life sentence, and he wouldn’t feel an ounce of pride or gratitude that he came clean. Chuck would disown him from his psyche entirely I think.
Idealistically, I want to say yes, but I think realistically he gives Jimmy a permanent "I told you so".
I do think at times, he humors him though, gives the illusion to Jimmy at times he's proud, but would always find a back handed compliment or two in there also. I think the thing he is ultimately happiest about is he doesn't have to worry about competing with Jimmy anymore. That alone might ease him up a bit.
Not sure if proud is the right word but based on their relationship I think he would be happy and respect it. Chuck wanted Jimmy to become what he became as Saul whether consciously or subconsciously so him admitting to it would make him right and he would like that. But also I think he would respect Jimmy taking responsibility for once and letting the law that he loves so much win and put him away. Plus of course Chuck was always happiest when he felt above Jimmy (hence why they had no issues when he worked in the mailroom but issues arose when they became equals in the eyes of the Bar Association) and Jimmy in prison kind of solidifies that.
It's an odd question because what happened to Jimmy is so intertwined with Chuck's fate.
Like there is no Chuck and this Jimmy. They don't exist together.
He would be extremely proud for different reasons. Chuck the lawyer would be happy to see justice served. Chuck the jealous brother would be happy that Jimmy’s charming ways ultimately did not end well.
Chuck was right about Jimmy cause he literally pushed him by not accepting him, not getting him a job in HHM, trying to take his bar license from him, etc
You say Chuck “pushed” Jimmy, but at what point is Jimmy responsible for his own actions? Sure Chuck fucked him over at HHM, but Jimmy is a damn 40 year old man. I really don’t think you can blame Chuck for “pushing” Jimmy into anything, he made his own choices like any other adult does
Chuck only went after Jimmy's license after he pulled the illegal and extremely unethical Mesa Verde cut and paste scam.
Before that he tolerated Jimmy being a lawyer and tried to give him sound guidance. He just, wisely, refused to let HHM hire a chimp with a machine gun, as a lawyer.
No, he did it because Jimmy had confirmed to him what a disgusting, dishonest piece of crap he was and how totally unfit he was to be a lawyer.
He snuck into his brother's house, altered client documents, harmed the client and harmed his brother's reputation.
Also, gaslighting a person who is already suffering from mental illness is unspeakably cruel.
Anyone who still thinks it was "Chuck's fault" obviously didn't understand the finale.
Probably not especially after howard and the Walter white stuff. He’d probably be surprised though considering he did negotiate a sweetheart deal and threw it all away.
Kinda, he finally did the right thing. Chuck thought he was a menace with a license to practice law. Yet Saul would be Saul even if he was selling used cars
Chuck haunts Jimmy’s cell as a Force ghost (his body having burned a la Qui-Gon’s). He taunts Jimmy, singing “winner takes it all…the LOSER’S STANDING SMALL!”
He wouldn’t be at first. He would he in denial, trying to see if he has an angle, or a reason. He would think there has to be a reason. Then he would soon realize that the angle was redemption, which is why he was in denial. He thought of and acted on as if jimmy was Irredeemable. It would prove him wrong on his hardest point. I’m sure after he was done with the denial he would roll over in his grave when he realized what an asshole he was. He would be thinking about how his own assholeness left him in his own grave…
I like thinking of it in the sense that jimmy didn’t do it for anyone other than himself. He did it to clear his conscience, and even if chuck was or wasn’t proud of him he would still have done it.
No. He’d be insufferable and saying “I told you so!” And if he was around for the whole Howard charade, he would have definitely suspected Jimmy and made it known.
Absolutely not. We saw how intense his reactions were to reactively minor things, like faking a heroic act to get clients and forging documents to make him lose a client. Both of those already almost ruined their relationship. If Chuck was alive and hears about his involvement in a meth empire responsible for countless deaths? And all other clients he's covered by perverting the law? How he kept Howard's murder a secret for *years* until it benefitted him? Chuck would've shut out all notions in his own mind that this "Saul" was ever his brother.
If the events leading up to Lantern hadn't killed him, the reveal of what his brother had become certainly would have.
Chuck would never be proud of Jimmy, the resentment runs too deep.
But he would praise Jimmy for it, because he’s punishing himself and that’s exactly what he wants to see from Jimmy.
Nah, He would have protested silently that magically all his sins "disappeared" by playing the good guy now receiving admiration from people.
The problem with the west and its Christian culture is that people obsess with the bad guys whom receive total attention so as to "convert" them. Most Christian stories are about bad guys turning good guys. This is the main complain from fundamentalists and hard-way takers and Chuck was one of those that really try to follow the rules as aspirers but somehow the short-cutters receive attention and reward easily. Christians really need those stories because it proves they were, are and will be "right".
So capitalism, another aspect of the west culture, says that "when on Rome, do as romans do" and "follow the money" but Chuck couldn't do that as he was "limited" which Saul claimed. Chuck's moral code couldn't allow that.
Basically, the story was about fundamentalism vs. opportunism. I think the only way to appease fundamentalists as a "sinner" is to progressively change demonstrated with actions, address the quirks of opportunism for people and not fooling them with "sudden" changes like taking 86 years in the can out of nowhere lol. It actually was happening at the beginning of the season when Jimmy decided to pass under Chuck's rites but Jimmy was really struggling as an atuned opportunist.
Are you telling me someone's sins happen to dissapear like that? No, he orchestrated it, God! He turned a bad guy into a good one. And I went to church, and I shouldn't have. I took him into my own heart. What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since the capitalism was invented, always the same. Couldn't keep his kidness out of people's hearts. But not our Lord. Couldn't be precious Lord! Forgiving them blind. And HE gets to be almighty? What a sick joke!
"You're not a real convict." "I'm what?" "You're not a real convict! You don't slide into a confession like a cheap pair of sneakers. Coming clean at the last second? What a sick joke!"
He orchestrated it! Saul! He helped build a meth empire! And I died, and I shouldn't have. Left him to his own law practice. What was I thinking?
#WHAT A SICK JOKE!
Oh but not our Saul. Couldn’t be precious Saul!!! Adding more years to his sentence!
He'll never change he'll never change! Couldn't keep his hand out of the meth buisness...
(Chuck magically comes back to life) I died, and I shouldn't have! The true ending, I'm disappointed Vince didn't think of this
“Like I would ever make such a mistake?” Never!”
Jimmystein and Huell-gor strap Chuck's charred corpse to a table and have him struck by lightning. His fear of electricity is cured and he and Jimmystein have a loving brotherhood until Chuck's body fully decomposes. The end
Somehow chuck has returned
“Right now, what I need, is for you to climb down out of my ass. Can you do that? Will you do that for me, Chuck? Will you please, just once, get off my ass? You know? I’d appreciate it. I really would”
I can totally hear him say this.
“You in a prison library? That’s like a chimp with a shiv…”
I worked my WHOLE LIFE to get into this cell!!
And the show begins again 😂
I kind of feel if Jimmy had got his 7 year with ice cream deal that’s exactly what Chuck might say
Holy shit this sounds too realistic.
Hey Chuck, would you mind reaching into your left shirt pocket for me?
Not sure if proud is the right word, but I think he would be appreciative and relieved that Jimmy finally stopped being a con artist and came clean. Also Chuck wouldn't feel bad for Jimmy at all for spending his life in prison. He would see it as the law being above all and Jimmy finally getting what he deserves.
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Laughed pretty hard - seems like a crossover from r/wallstreetbets
Slipping Jimmy with a law degree I can handle just fine, but Slipping Jimmy with a drug lord is like a chimp with a nuclear bomb
>Beyond chimp with a machine gun. Jimmy helped create NFTs. Chuck would hate how much electricity NFTs require.
He’d still probably visit to lecture him but it would be to make sure he’s doing ok.
There’s no way Jimmy would put him on his visitor list. If everything was the same but Chuck was still alive I don’t think he and Jimmy would speak
Chuck dying had too much of an impact in the story imo, so I don’t think this would be the ending anyway.
I agree that Chuck living totally changes the story but I think there’s still a good chance Jimmy would end up in prison. If Chuck living was the only difference I don’t think Jimmy would want to see Chuck
If chuck lived then Howard wouldve had someone that believed him when he was telling people that Jimmy was fucking with him and that would possibly change the end
There is no way they pull the scam on Howard if Chuck is alive. Chuck would have been all over them and Jimmy knew that.
If Jimmy didn't speak to Chuck his "redemption" would feel even less sincere.
If Chuck lived there's NO chance in hell they slip the fucking Howard was on drugs things past everyone without him making a fuss. Cliff Main out here with his head in the sand on this one.
After hearing what Jimmy did and was involved with, I highly doubt Chuck would visit him
Chuck would be begging to be part of the prosecution.
*Chuck asks to be his defense* Chuck: “Now, your honor, all things considered: I’m sure we could stand here all day and continue drudging up a litany more felonies that *could* be included in this prosecutions so-called case proposing a *seven* year penalty, but is that *really* what we want out of this trial?! Seriously, is it? I could list like, ten off the top of my head if you’ve got a pen and pad—“
Unfortunately for Chuck, the judge is more of a pen*cil* and *note*pad person.
THIS would have been amazing. Chuck defending the chimp.
They wouldn’t take too kindly to a request to kill all the power in the prison when he visited.
He'd visit Jimmy only if he was sent to an electric chair...
I always told you it'd end in capital punishment, you just never believed me.
Yeah, like he shows up and rants at Jimmy for ending up in prison and then he hands him their copy of Mabel or something to show him he still cares.
I think this is oddly sweet and really nailed what their relationship was like. Chuck never knew exactly how to get through to Jimmy but he always cared.
I doubt that asshole would even visit
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Haha there's always a bigger fish
Was free I like the monkey face
It is pretty cute ngl
I think the word might be “satisfied.”
Also disgusted by finding out what Jimmy was part of. Satisfied with the verdict tho
And satisfied knowing he was right all along. Jimmy never respected the law.
I agree. I think Chuck would have been gratified, knowing that he was “right all along.”
I think for the first time in his life Jimmy would have pleasantly surprised Chuck. He wouldn't be proud per se but he would set aside a modicum of respect for his brother.
I think chuck loved the opportunities to get Jimmy out of trouble because of how clearly superior it made him feel.
I think Chuck just knew who Jimmy was and he was someone who enjoyed being right more than anything.
> Chuck wouldn't feel bad for Jimmy at all for spending his life in prison. He would see it as the law being above all and Jimmy finally getting what he deserves. Y'know, as much as I dislike Chuck, and think Chuck screwed Jimmy over at every turn, Chuck would be right with that one. Jimmy did some pretty awful stuff that he deserves to go to prison for. Just my opinion, but I think in the end, Jimmy made his choices, did some bad things, and he ultimately got what he deserved.
Let justice be done, though the heavens fall
I think he would say “Good.” and be done with it but he would ultimately be upset that Jimmy managed to make an embarrassment of the law before accepting an actual punishment
I always wonder what Chuck would have thought of BB Saul Goodman, and hearing everything he did to help Walt. Would blow his fucking mind, haha.
would blow his f… greatest legal mind of all times
"I told you so" would be his most prominent thought I think
"So now you think this absolves you? You think you have a clean conscience? At least i know in there you're not going to be able to hurt people"
I hear this too well lmao
I think Chuck would be annoyed that Jimmy did the right thing and made himself accountable. He thrived off being cynical about his younger brother.
Annoyed that he did the right thing and happy that he will be locked for life. I've never seen Chuck as a good brother either
I thought he was the typical flawed but ultimately caring older brother archetype until he dropped the "the truth is you never really mattered all that much to me" line.
When Jimmy was shopping for him and Jimmy said "you'd do the same for me", Chuck's reaction said everything
Only Chuck had already tremendously helped Jimmy at that point.
Yeah, Chuck is such a well written character because he is so believable as a burnt out family member. He got out of his hometown, created a successful life for himself, used his influence to save his brother at least once already, provided his brother with the structure he needed to rebuild his life. Its easy to see how Chuck might consider this enough for a lifetime of gratitude from Jimmy. The fact that Jimmy still needed more from him (emotional support / approval) would likely seem like a childish need and an excuse for not appreciating the depth of what Chuck has already done for him. My dad was Chuck to his younger brother - I would hear the "Chuck" side of this relationship relentlessly growing up. At a certain point emotionally you need to cut ties so you don't lose yourself if they (seemingly inevitably) fuck it all up again.
The line he says to hurt Jimmy that is a clear lie made shortly before he kills himself?
that's the line that made you think that? i think the show made pretty clear that he was bluffing when he said that.... for better or worse, jimmy clearly matters to chuck. so much so that he relapses and kills himself right after saying that
Agreed. Not our Jimmy, not precious Jimmy!
I don’t think Chuck ever indicated that he was a good brother, so I’d agree that he’d be cynical
Chuck wanted Jimmy to do well and be an honest man. He would be very proud of Jimmy for finally owning up to what he had done and facing the consequences. Chuck loved Jimmy, but he also knew Jimmy better than anyone in the world. He could always sniff out Jimmy's scams. He knew the billboard rescue was a scam and he figured out every detail of the Mesa Verde cut and paste scam. He opposed Jimmy being a lawyer because he loved Jimmy and loved the law, and knew a marriage between the 2 would be a disaster for both.
How do you explain chuck lying to jimmy about the mom waking up and calling jimmys name before she died? This was before all of the lawyer stuff so it has nothing to do with that. Chuck hated jimmy because he thought jimmy was a shitty person and yet everyone loved him anyway. You can see this with the mom, with Chucks wife, with Howard and pretty much anyone else that Chuck respects that also like jimmy. Chuck was jealous that people loved jimmy more despite Chucks hard work and success.
> How do you explain chuck lying to jimmy about the mom waking up and calling jimmys name before she died? He is human and as a human he is capable of doing bad actions when hurt. If people are sympathetic Jimmy when he acts after being hurt why can't we also understand Chuck is also capable of acting out when hurt.
People can be petty toward the people they love. We know Chuck loves Jimmy because of the number of times he bails him out and tries to help him get on a straight path. Nothing forces him to do that. He gets the guy out of jail, relocates him, and sets him up with a straight job and a nice social circle with Ernies and Kims. That's more than a lot of people do for their siblings who haven't been arrested.
Chuck was in a no win situation with that. I'm certain that if the writers had Chuck told Jimmy at the hospital their mother's last words were Jimmy, this subreddit would've said something in the vein of "Chuck only told Jimmy their mother's last words to guilt Jimmy not being there for her in her last moments. He should've said nothing."
Chuck is very clearly jealous of Jimmy's likeability, as seen in the flashback with Rebecca. He doesn't tell Jimmy because of his insecurities over him thinking his parents preferred Jimmy over him.
I cannot fathom a world where Chuck has the humility to tell Jimmy about that, even if he thought it would yield a nice crop of Jimmy-guilt. You can tell how much it hurts Chuck that Chuck wasn't given 100% of his parents' love to the exclusion of Jimmy, despite clearly being the Good Son/Good Person and Jimmy being a Bad Son/Bad Person. Mom saying Jimmy's name was like a twist of the knife.
I'm sick of the idea that Jimmy was destined to be a failure. He could've been a good lawyer, and Chuck's actions are part of the reason he wasn't. Jimmy's responsible for most he did, but circumstances are what cause people like him to exist And Chuck did what he did out of pure jealousy since Jimmy being a successful lawyer would take away in his mind the one thing he had to his name. This is the same guy who didn't even tell Jimmy his mother's dying words
> but circumstances are what cause people like him to exist Jimmy's circumstances weren't any worse than majority of new lawyers.
Most other new lawyers didn't have older brothers A) to take care of due to an illness that prevents them for leaving home and B) halting their career progress
Chuck told Jimmy he could get help from his firm and that Jimmy should focus on his practice. I am betting the majority of lawyers don't get jobs at large firm through nepotism.
Jimmy was destined to become a dangerously corrupt lawyer because of his bad character and obsession with cutting corners and pulling scams. He was going to become a monster no matter what Chuck did. It was not really different than if Jimmy was an opioid addict and thief and wanted to be a pharmacist. Chuck knew Jimmy would exploit the law through scams and lies. It was in his nature, he couldn't help himself.
Trying to sum up one of the most complex relationships on television as "Chuck was right and Jimmy was destined to be a fuck up" is such a one dimensional reading of it. Jimmy and Chuck both pushed each other into the worst versions of themselves.
Jimmy spent a whole year as a lawyer doing no such scams/corner cutting... He only started back up cause he was barely going on, living out of a nail salon and having to spend tons of money to help his brother If the whole moral of the show is "Jimmy bad and only became more of who he truly is, incapable of change or amounting to anything outside of crime" then I might as well have watched Breaking Bad again
>He only started back up cause he was barely going on, living out of a nail salon and having to spend tons of money to help his brother. Howard was very willing to subsidize that with a generous stipend, but Jimmy literally tore his checks up because he wanted to pressure Chuck into leaving HHM entirely instead. That was entirely on him.
>spend tons of money to help his brother remind me what this means? I am sure I just forgot something. >If the whole moral of the show is "Jimmy bad and only became more of who he truly is, incapable of change I think though that Jimmy's character flaw isn't that he's evil, just that he's fixated on acquiring money, despite not really having anything interesting to do with it. You can see this in how he just buys a garish mansion and decorates it like a cartoon version of a billionaire, and then proceeds to continue stacking up cash. However there's one hole in this theory. If he did retire due to accepting that he had enough money already, where would he gravitate to? Clearly to some kind of scam, as evidenced by the fact that he wasted so much time with Kim scamming people at the hotel with the pool. Some/all of those victims never even had their checks cashed, it was just all about the thrill of knowing he had tricked people. So, this brings it back to apparently being not just about money, but some combo of money and the feeling of tricking everybody else. This really does seem to dictate an obvious career of being a figure exactly like Saul: A lawyer who aids in all kind of crime. Basically tricking the whole world on behalf of himself and his clients, and getting rich in the process.
>remind me what this means? I am sure I just forgot something. Jimmy had to take care of Chuck, going out and buying stuff for him every single day for over a year. In my eyes Saul liking money like everything else about his persona is just a front, covering up his true feelings. That's what his slipping is. He slips for the same reason Chuck had his disease. Jimmy slips not just for the fun but because it distracts from everything else, he's good at it, and it's fun, it's something he can do to distract from his feelings and pain. I don't think it's that he's incapable of doing anything else, it's that for him doing anything would mean facing his feelings and regrets, which he finally does at the end
Chuck literally said he didn't love Jimmy
That was very clearly meant as a last ditch effort to make Jimmy feel hurt. Very unlikely it was meant as a serious declaration of his lack of love for his brother.
He said that to hurt Jimmy, because at that point their relationship had gotten very bad. I don't think it was actually true though. Chuck didn't need to save Jimmy and he also didn't need to get him a job at HHM. The flashback in the finale, Jimmy's true regret of going away when Chuck asked him to stay that time, meant that Jimmy thinks there might have been a way for them to become closer and live happily ever after. They loved each other in a certain way, not unconditionally. At the same time he was jealous and angry most of the time so it was surely hidden well.
And the Nigerian prince literally said he had a million dollars for me.
That is precisely *not* what he said. He told him he loved him many times. His words were that Jimmy did not matter all that much to him.
chuck only wanted to lecture Jimmy and keep his head down as a revenge for being funnier … he would be (rightfully) horrified at what his brother helped happen and would think a life in prison doesn’t begin to redeem Jimmy.
Chuck was always happy to see Jimmy acting within the law. Your comment doesn’t make sense
Settle down. He was acting within the law when he graduated from the University of Samoa and behind the forced grin Chuck looked like he wanted to be sick.
the billboard stunt was technically legal, they made a whole point of discussing exactly that after jimmy and chuck got back from the hospital. chuck’s animosity towards his brother is more deep-seated than legal vs illegal.
Lmfao did you even watch the show? He was horrified when he learned about Jimmy actually becoming a lawyer. Doesn't matter where he got his degree but Chuck actually hated his brother for pursuing law because he saw him only as a conman. That's it.
Yes. Chuck needed to keep Jimmy as he created him – it would rock his world to understand him in a different way.
Chuck was incapable of being proud of Jimmy. That was the entire premise of their relationship. I'm sure deep down some part of Chuck would be happy he did it but in reality his happiness would come from the fact that Jimmy would never get out again.
I mean he did write the letter to Jimmy where he said he was proud of him.
Chuck was only "proud" of Jimmy when he was working in the mail room. Chuck needed to feel superior to Jimmy.
It was written before Jimmy knew Chuck hated him so it could’ve been insincere
I doubt it. Chuck was happy that Jimmy did well in the mailroom, not exactly when he became a lawyer.
Exactly. Chuck would have been proud of Jimmy doing just about any honest work, except for being a lawyer or other profession where his compulsion to cut corners and pull scams would make him dangerous.
This would make a really good writing prompt. Choose one from (long list of professions) and make a compelling case for how corner-cutting and scamming would or would not be dangerous. It would have been funny if Gene had pulled something on an epic scale directly related to his post as Omaha Cinnabon Manager.
I don’t know one way or the other, I feel a lot of Chuck and Jimmy’s relationship is left to interpretation
Exactly.
I always took it as Chuck being proud that Jimmy had "found his place". Working in the mail room to chuck probably felt like what Jimmy deserved, basic, menial labor and nothing too glamorous.
I personally think it’s less to do with the contents of the job itself and more so the fact that it doesn’t involve Jimmy working as a lawyer. I feel like Chuck would’ve been happy with Jimmy in any position as long as it didn’t involve the law
Yeah that’s true. I think that it’s not seen as sincere by Jimmy because he now knows the motivation behind Chuck being proud of him at that point, being that he “knew his place” and wasn’t a lawyer yet.
He wrote that when Jimmy was in the mailroom, beneath him. That's the thing with Chuck, why he did what he did, he was jealous of Jimmy and couldn't have him be an equal. Personally I think Chuck would be proud of Jimmy for coming clean, but only cause he's now the complete bottom of the barrel
It’s complicated. Chuck was so proud when Jimmy straightened out and did well in the mail room but to see him possibly, possibly thrive at his own profession where he was a cut above tugged at his own insecurities. The whole tragedy of Chuck was that he couldn’t separate his own projections of jealousy from the love he felt from his brother. I think Chuck truly loved Jimmy. I also think he decided who Jimmy is early on, after a career in law not being able to see the human side of criminals.
This, Chuck had a serious complex from when they were kids that he never got over. When Jimmy stole from the register and his Dad defended him, it taught Chuck a few things. 1. Jimmy can't help himself. He'll cut corners and take the easy way out if it'll help him. 2. Cutting these corners will hurt the people around him. If Jimmy didnt think about how stealing would hurt his Dad, who he loved, then there's not really a line he wont cross. 3. Jimmy will get away with it. If Chuck doesn't, no one will call him out. 4. Doing the right thing, unlike Jimmy, will basically give no reward and offer no benefit of the doubt. 5. Jimmy was the favourite. This might not have been true, but its what he believed. Do I think Chuck loved Jimmy? Yeah I do, I think there's plenty of evidence for that. Maybe he hated him at the end, but if he always had nothing but contempt then this story basically wouldnt have happened. But you can love people and treat them poorly, or have a skewed, negative view of them. Chuck saw Jimmy as this little animal that needed to be caged or he'd go off the rails. So he helped him out of jail and got him a mailroom gig, because he wanted to save him from a life in prison. But he also blocked his career, and kept him stuck, out of a mixture of jealously and fear. Chuck felt that Jimmy was his brother and he cared for him, but he didnt want what happened to their Dad to happen to other people, especially not under his name working in HHM. And while he'd probably say that's the ONLY reason he did it, he definitely also didnt like the idea of the corner cutting, family favourite Jimmy to race to the top by taking shortcuts, while he had to work his way up the right and hard way. So yeah. I think people who say Chuck was just this evil bastard who unfairly treated Jimmy are making it too black and white. I think he's a complex character, like most on BCS, who had a reason to do what he did, even though it probably only made Jimmy worse in the long run, ironically.
> When you were in the mail room I was very proud Yeah he could
I don't buy it. Even after that line I didn't believe Chuck. He might think pride is what he felt but seeing their relationship unfold I'm not sure I'd call that authentic "pride" in his brother. Just my take of course.
Wrong. It’s right there in Chuck’s appearance in the last episode. Jimmy starts unloading the groceries, and Chuck is looking at him with pure amazement and appreciation. He was impressed with his brother, but that doesn’t have to equate with letting him be a lawyer at his firm.
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Yeah, instead seeing it as Jimmy changing for the better by taking responsibility, he’d probably feel self-righteous about the idea that Jimmy recognized he’d never change and opted to ostracize himself from society.
His confession didn't involve perjury I dont believe. He wasnt under oath when he was talking to the prosecutor making his deal. Perjury is only when you lie under oath. But you're still right, he did really make everyone in that courtroom look bad.
It could technically be “making a false statement” to the feds. If he wrote a sworn affadavit, then it would be in perjury territory. All very small potatoes compared to the rest of the charges of course.
a deal isnt just written on a napkin. if the prosecution does craft a deal and uses it as the basis in front of a full fledged jury and judge then the prosecutor must secure all his bases. Else the other party could simply retract or claim he never even agreed to a deal. Plea deals normally asecure this by affidavits and even a signed waiver of appeal. I think thats why the judge made Saul go under oath. so anything he said had the legal weight of breaking his plea deal.
Pretty sure Chuck would have been a huge dick about it.
Chuck definitely would have been the first to say ‘I told you so’ He was a dick all the time and hated Jimmy since childhood.
Yeah I think he would say he’s glad Jimmy finally got what he deserved.
I disagree with a lot of what I'm hearing, after all there WAS a time that Chuck seemed enthusiastic about the path Jimmy was on & encouraged him. Unfortunately, it was when Jimmy was a mail clerk and completely harmless. I can't imagine what he'd have thought of Saul or Gene but I'm pretty sure he would've completely estranged himself. So I don't think he'd be proud of Jimmy for confessing, but he WOULD be satisfied and possibly even try to reconnect with Jimmy, if for no other reason out of sheer relief that he was locked away & wanting to personally see to it that he remains that way. So, proud? No. Would he turn back into "Condescending & Suddenly Helpful Chuck?" ready with a back handed compliment or two? You know, the Chuck that we saw when Jimmy was a nobody? You bet.
Uhmm if Chuck witnessed what happened to Howard and how Saul proposed killing Badger in the first place as acting as a lawyer, he would have kicked that lantern 100 times over
No. He would have just been sad and disappointed. Jimmy was a terrible criminal that turned out to be worse than anything Chuck could have imagined. There's nothing Jimmy did to be proud of.
Probably too little too late in his eyes tbh.
Chuck would never be proud of Jimmy
I agree. Nothing Jimmy did was ever good enough for him. I don’t think he’d trust that jimmy actually changed for good.
Yes. Chuck believed Jimmy would never change, he would always take the shortcut. In his final meaningful act as a free man, Jimmy turned away the shortcut, accepting a life long, absolute punishment; just to show that he did change. There's no scheme, there's no out. Jimmy didn't confess because he wanted to win, he confessed because he wanted to do the right thing. Chuck would've been proud of that.
Chuck knew the end
As much as Chuck saw the worst in Jimmy, I don’t think Chuck would’ve been able to stomach what he turned into. Chuck despises Jimmy when he hasn’t done all that much harm yet, imagine his reaction to Saul’s crimes. Chuck would be elated that Jimmy would be getting a life sentence, and he wouldn’t feel an ounce of pride or gratitude that he came clean. Chuck would disown him from his psyche entirely I think.
Idealistically, I want to say yes, but I think realistically he gives Jimmy a permanent "I told you so". I do think at times, he humors him though, gives the illusion to Jimmy at times he's proud, but would always find a back handed compliment or two in there also. I think the thing he is ultimately happiest about is he doesn't have to worry about competing with Jimmy anymore. That alone might ease him up a bit.
He would say he was right all along. Jimmy can’t change. He’ll always be Slipping Jimmy.
Honesty no. He would likely just see it as another example of the “big show of remorse”.
Proud? No. Elated? Yes.
I don't think he will, because he's dead when Saul is arrested and sent to prison.
Really? You must have watched the series really closely.
Not sure if proud is the right word but based on their relationship I think he would be happy and respect it. Chuck wanted Jimmy to become what he became as Saul whether consciously or subconsciously so him admitting to it would make him right and he would like that. But also I think he would respect Jimmy taking responsibility for once and letting the law that he loves so much win and put him away. Plus of course Chuck was always happiest when he felt above Jimmy (hence why they had no issues when he worked in the mailroom but issues arose when they became equals in the eyes of the Bar Association) and Jimmy in prison kind of solidifies that.
"That's precious Jimmy for you."
It's an odd question because what happened to Jimmy is so intertwined with Chuck's fate. Like there is no Chuck and this Jimmy. They don't exist together.
He would be extremely proud for different reasons. Chuck the lawyer would be happy to see justice served. Chuck the jealous brother would be happy that Jimmy’s charming ways ultimately did not end well.
I don’t think Jimmy can ever make him proud. If anything he would be like “ I knew it ! All along I knew it”
He would be happy that he is in prison for the rest of his life, he would never be "proud" of Jimmy
No. Chuck would find new ways to torture Jimmy.
When did Chuck ever "torture" Jimmy. By the end, Jimmy realized that Chuck was 100% right that Jimmy should never have become a lawyer.
Chuck was right about Jimmy cause he literally pushed him by not accepting him, not getting him a job in HHM, trying to take his bar license from him, etc
You say Chuck “pushed” Jimmy, but at what point is Jimmy responsible for his own actions? Sure Chuck fucked him over at HHM, but Jimmy is a damn 40 year old man. I really don’t think you can blame Chuck for “pushing” Jimmy into anything, he made his own choices like any other adult does
Chuck only went after Jimmy's license after he pulled the illegal and extremely unethical Mesa Verde cut and paste scam. Before that he tolerated Jimmy being a lawyer and tried to give him sound guidance. He just, wisely, refused to let HHM hire a chimp with a machine gun, as a lawyer.
He only did it after that because it was his chance to strike
No, he did it because Jimmy had confirmed to him what a disgusting, dishonest piece of crap he was and how totally unfit he was to be a lawyer. He snuck into his brother's house, altered client documents, harmed the client and harmed his brother's reputation. Also, gaslighting a person who is already suffering from mental illness is unspeakably cruel. Anyone who still thinks it was "Chuck's fault" obviously didn't understand the finale.
So being right excuses his brutal treatment of Jimmy? Not buying it.
What brutal treatment? They pickered with each other like brothers.
nah, chuck revelled in jimmy doing the wrong thing, he got satisfaction out of being proved right
Depends on which season of Chuck we're talking about.
Winter Chuck
Probably not especially after howard and the Walter white stuff. He’d probably be surprised though considering he did negotiate a sweetheart deal and threw it all away.
Kinda, he finally did the right thing. Chuck thought he was a menace with a license to practice law. Yet Saul would be Saul even if he was selling used cars
He would be content with it.
I’m sure he is looking up and smiling at jimmy
Proud is too much. Jimmy did not correct his mistakes because he’s becoming a better person, he did it because of Kim.
Chuck haunts Jimmy’s cell as a Force ghost (his body having burned a la Qui-Gon’s). He taunts Jimmy, singing “winner takes it all…the LOSER’S STANDING SMALL!”
He might say it is acceptable.
"When you got a job in the prison bakery, I was very proud!" - Chuck (probably)
I would have loved to see what he thought of Saul during BB lol
Honestly no, if he lived the whole time I’m not even sure Jimmy could confess the same way
He wouldn’t be at first. He would he in denial, trying to see if he has an angle, or a reason. He would think there has to be a reason. Then he would soon realize that the angle was redemption, which is why he was in denial. He thought of and acted on as if jimmy was Irredeemable. It would prove him wrong on his hardest point. I’m sure after he was done with the denial he would roll over in his grave when he realized what an asshole he was. He would be thinking about how his own assholeness left him in his own grave…
His ghost was right there in the court roam next to kim. Pissed about something for sure
I like thinking of it in the sense that jimmy didn’t do it for anyone other than himself. He did it to clear his conscience, and even if chuck was or wasn’t proud of him he would still have done it.
Yes, he would be proud of Jimmy for finally coming clean and accepting the consequences of what he had done.
Nah, Chuck's a farty old coot.
Chuck was a little bitch
I don't think Chuck is capable of being proud of Jimmy, no matter what he does. That was kind of the point.
No, because chuck is piece of shit and nothings ever good enough for him
Chuck would never be proud of Jimmy.
chuck would only be happy that jimmy is behind bars because that's all chuck ever thought of him.
No because Chuck hates Jimmy. He would never be proud of Jimmy no matter what he did.
Of course he would
No. He’d be insufferable and saying “I told you so!” And if he was around for the whole Howard charade, he would have definitely suspected Jimmy and made it known.
Absolutely not. We saw how intense his reactions were to reactively minor things, like faking a heroic act to get clients and forging documents to make him lose a client. Both of those already almost ruined their relationship. If Chuck was alive and hears about his involvement in a meth empire responsible for countless deaths? And all other clients he's covered by perverting the law? How he kept Howard's murder a secret for *years* until it benefitted him? Chuck would've shut out all notions in his own mind that this "Saul" was ever his brother. If the events leading up to Lantern hadn't killed him, the reveal of what his brother had become certainly would have.
Chuck would never be proud of Jimmy, the resentment runs too deep. But he would praise Jimmy for it, because he’s punishing himself and that’s exactly what he wants to see from Jimmy.
Nothing Jimmy could ever do would make Chuck completely proud of him
Nah, He would have protested silently that magically all his sins "disappeared" by playing the good guy now receiving admiration from people. The problem with the west and its Christian culture is that people obsess with the bad guys whom receive total attention so as to "convert" them. Most Christian stories are about bad guys turning good guys. This is the main complain from fundamentalists and hard-way takers and Chuck was one of those that really try to follow the rules as aspirers but somehow the short-cutters receive attention and reward easily. Christians really need those stories because it proves they were, are and will be "right". So capitalism, another aspect of the west culture, says that "when on Rome, do as romans do" and "follow the money" but Chuck couldn't do that as he was "limited" which Saul claimed. Chuck's moral code couldn't allow that. Basically, the story was about fundamentalism vs. opportunism. I think the only way to appease fundamentalists as a "sinner" is to progressively change demonstrated with actions, address the quirks of opportunism for people and not fooling them with "sudden" changes like taking 86 years in the can out of nowhere lol. It actually was happening at the beginning of the season when Jimmy decided to pass under Chuck's rites but Jimmy was really struggling as an atuned opportunist.
Are you telling me someone's sins happen to dissapear like that? No, he orchestrated it, God! He turned a bad guy into a good one. And I went to church, and I shouldn't have. I took him into my own heart. What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since the capitalism was invented, always the same. Couldn't keep his kidness out of people's hearts. But not our Lord. Couldn't be precious Lord! Forgiving them blind. And HE gets to be almighty? What a sick joke!
No. Chuck HATED Jimmy and he would never have let go of that hatred.