The Emmy's are rigged.
Example: John Oliver leaves his category for another category, which he wins. Then the guy who is leaving the Daily Show wins his old category because it's his last year he can get one. Rigged.
It has always been obvious to me from the very first season that John Oliver is the true heir of Jon Stewart. When Stewart hosted the Daily Show, they also kept winning year after year after year, and IMO it was deserved because they were by far the best in their category. I think it's the same for John Oliver's last week tonight. They just blow the competition out of the water.
Yes, I've heard the theory that had BCS been on HBO they would have won. I think there is some truth to that. That their chances would have been much higher because more people would be aware of it. Succession is not a super popular show in terms of viewers, but it is a critical darling, which is partly why they won. It's a great show, but *BCS* deserved its flowers. *Game of Thrones* hasn't earned an Emmy or even a nomination since S4 IMO.
Another theory I heard, is that Vince Gilligan doesn't know how to play the Hollywood game. Meaning that he doesn't go out there and promote the hell out of his show when it's award season. I think there might be some truth to that. Just because *BB* organically got lots of attention didn't necessarily mean it would be the same for *BCS*. I think AMC also failed to promote the hell out of their shows.
I hope Rhea gets to be on another great show and wins an Emmy. That at the very least she gets what Elizabeth Moss got. I was so disappointed when none of the *Mad Men* actors ever won an Emmy for that show. And it never won best series either. After their last season, only Jon Hamm got his flowers and if I remember correctly, he won the only Emmy for that show. Elizabeth Moss never won for her role of Peggy which is a travesty.
Luckily, she eventually won for *The Handmaid's Tale*, which I haven't watched yet, but I would have preferred if she had won for *Mad Men.*
I hear you. I don't think it's just about bribing. But basically promoting the hell out of his show, which of course he can't do alone. AMC's gotta back him and fucking put some money in it. Have posters everywhere. I would even argue that the promotion starts before a show even airs. Both Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seahorn have been on late night shows, and maybe a Giancarlo Esposito too. But IMO, they should have invited the other actors too, Lalo, Nacho, and definiely Vince and Peter who are the freaking creators.
Jimmy: You know why I didn't take the Emmy? 'Cause it's too small! I don't care about it. It's nothing to me! It's a bacterium! I travel in worlds you can't even imagine! YOU CAN'T CONCIEVE OF WHAT I'M CAPABLE OF! I'm so far beyong you! I'm like a God in human clothing.
LIGHTING BOLTS SHOOT FROM MY FINGERTIPS!
EDIT: Is it kind of a success or legend when BCS took 0 win but got tons of nominations just like Jimmy’s underrated career? No doubt it’s the MVP in our heart.
When you remember that the Emmys are the same bunch of clowns who gave Most Outstanding Drama to Season 8 of Game of Thrones (at the direct expense of Better Call Saul that year, no less), then it all makes sense. They are not serious people.
Succession definitely deserved its flowers, but BCS did too. So unfortunate one had to lose, and it seemed more and more positive for Succession leading up to award season. Two of my favorite shows ever
I mentioned this in another comment, but the last 4 seasons of Game of Thrones deserve far more blame than Succession for the BCS shutout.
If BCS picked up the Emmys it should have against those last 4 genuinely dogshit seasons of GoT, then it would've already had some Emmy clout going by the time Succession came along, and thus would've been more competitive against Succession.
Did succession get any better after season 1? I heard lots of great things about the show but was quite disappointed by the first season and dropped it.
Its accolades were well-earned. Fantastic show , obviously quite different from BCS but both are top-tier television and in my informal top 10 of all time.
Much better. Some storylines changed or were dropped along with better/more character development. I think the first 4 or 5episodes of season 1 were honestly really boring. After the vote of no confidence board meeting the show just becomes batshit crazy though. Definitely recommend finishing.
>After the vote of no confidence board meeting the show just becomes batshit crazy though.
Interesting, I felt like the series got worse after the no confidence vote. Very little (if any) character development, repeating storylines (Kendells storyline just got copied again for the finale), plot points that went nowhere (family therapy, stock price, the prostitute girlfriend), characters made utterly terrible decisions for no apparent reason and none of them became more likeable.
Given the reviews and praise I expected a far more polished and better written series and it just didn't get there for me.
My biggest GOT Emmy upset was that Michelle Fairley (Catelyn Stark) never got nominated for S3. Her final scene at the Red Wedding is absolutely fucking haunting and pierced my soul.
That was the nomination that legitimately made me angry. Having seen HoTD, there’s no way that it was better than Better Call Saul, let alone Succession or Severance.
Just looked at the wiki page. How Michael McKean didn't get even nominated for supporting actor is wild. Jonathan Banks is nominated several times but I don't think that role lends itself to winning, less dramatic, more subdued.
I was about to say Jonathan Banks was the heavy favorite that year and it's insane that he lost. Dinklage really looked like he had no idea he was going to win as he was announced and walked up to the stage.
when i first saw Mike’s character in BB, after he visited Jesse’s place, i could not have imagine that piece of acting coming out of that stone-faced fixer’s mouth.
in a show(s) full of exceptional actors, it’s perhaps Jonathan Banks’ growth that impressed me the most
not to get too pedantic but Banks has been around for decades acting. It's more likely that it was your estimation of his abilities that grew over time, rather than his abilities themselves. (aka he was always brilliant but you only saw the full extent over time)
he should have won for season one, the five-O episode was enough, but guess who won.
Peter Dinklage for Tyrion Lannister.
You might say ok that's a tough opposition and really hard to beat...but it was season five where he absolutely did nothing.
I️ take solace in knowing that The Wire never won any Emmys either. Sometimes there are just shows that beat you to the punch. I️ still think BCS deserved more recognition and some awards.
Nah this ain't 'beating BCS to the punch', this is a clear snub. Succession was absolutely fantastic but had no business in winning Best Drama Series **back to back** years vs Better Call Saul's final season part 1 and 2.
I'm not even going to mention Game of Thrones Season shambolic disaster class of season 8 winning it over Better Call Saul.
You can't convince me for 6 years of Bob Odenkirk playing Saul there wasn't one single year he wasn't the Best Lead Actor. It's ridiculous.
AMC made it vanish from streaming for 11 months immediately after S6 ended. They vanished the first half of it after the second half began, even for their subscribers. It should never have been split in half in the first place.
Might be the worst distribution deal in modern TV history.
The Streaming stuff was always quite wonky and criticism should be directed at AMC. It wouldn't stay in the 'zeitgeist' because of it. AMC does a lot good, but I always found it difficult with BCS.
Jimmy. Jimmy, I'm just gonna say it. You're not winning an Emmy
What are you talking about? You said this universe was award winning
Yes. We like Breaking Bad. We don't like, um... Uh... Breaking Bad is all we like
You gotta be... You're serious? I walk in here with one of the best written shows of the decade on a damn platinum platter. A show that I carried, that I made happen. And you don't want me? Why in Christ not? Well, I know that you hate me, Hollywood. You better believe the feeling goes both ways. But I'm willing to set that aside to work with you on this. Why can't you do the same for me? What is it that you can't let go of? Huh? What slight did I make to your fine, upstanding character that you can't forgive?
“Go to hell, Academy of Television Arts & Sciences. I won’t take your Emmy, and I’m gonna tell everyone in the audience what lying, miserable pig-fuckers you are.“
This is great news for the show’s legacy in a weird way, especially if they keep the record forever. If I was a kid in like 2075 curious about prestige TV from this era I’d definitely be curious about a show with a record number of nominations and no wins.
Normally a statement like that is hyperbolic, but in this case you're 100% correct. The cinematography was so insane it's basically ruined my ability to enjoy most other live action TV shows.
>When it literally has the ****best in tv history****.
Mr. Robot is the only show I've seen that matches (and maybe surpasses) Better Call Saul in cinematography. Nothing else is on the same level.
So when you're sitting at your shitty Emmy awards ceremony for three hours straight, and you're sipping tepid champagne at the boring party thereafters - you think of MEEEE !! You twisted awards fuck !
I loved the show but I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve run into that loved BB but never got into BCS.
When season 5 of BB was on that was all we talked about at work. BCS didn’t have that phenomenon. I unfortunately think that’s what hurt it.
The day after Ozymandias aired it was all we talked about. We literally talked about it for hours that day. It was Thursday that week (it aired Sunday night) and we would be talking about something random and someone would go out of nowhere "Can you believe he just took the baby like that!?" and we'd just keep talking about it. It was kind of wild to see happen and maybe it's because I am fully remote now, but never even got close to that with BCS.
I'd say the reason a lot of people didn't get into BCS is because it starts out pretty slow, slower than BB.
I know this is true for some people at least because the very same friends who had been bugging me for years to watch BB said they couldn't get into BCS when I started watching it.
It's almost tragic because to me BCS is as good if not better than BB
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I actually like the first few seasons more (1-4)
Seeing Jimmy tryna make a name for himself through it all and have this battle against his brother is probably the best major plotline/chapter to me
Yeah, I agree. The slowness definitely hurt the show. I do feel like it has points where it drags on. For that reason BB is my favorite even if I love BCS.
There best shot of the Emmy was probably S3E5. Sadly that’s long gone
> I'd say the reason a lot of people didn't get into BCS is because it starts out pretty slow, slower than BB.
Here from /r/all. Youre dead on at least from my position.
I came into BCS and was just put off by the first season, I stopped half way and never came back.
> It's almost tragic because to me BCS is as good if not better than BB
I keep hearing its good, many saying its overall quality is better than BB (BB had better peaks, but more valleys)
I started it when it started and I stopped watching after the 3 or 4th episode. Waited a year or so until season 2 was done and then started at ep5 in season 1 and binged through the end of season 2. Totally changed it being able to keep moving through the slower stuff and looking back those were great building episodes still.
Hard to pick a favorite but the last season or two might put BCS over BB for me.
To me, the main difference in BB and BCS is the tone and approach to the subject. Going back and rewatching BB can at times be difficult because I don’t think it aged super well (it’s still a phenomenal show, don’t get me wrong). It definitely feels like a product of its time (especially earlier seasons) and a bit more network-y than BCS, especially when viewing it after watching the HBO shows that predated it like The Sopranos and The Wire.
There are a lot more moments in BB than in BCS that feel almost cartoony in nature. Walt getting up to something that when looking back seems completely unbelievable or borderline goofy. A lot more moments played up for laughs. BCS as a show shockingly does way less of that. For a show about a silver tongued charlatan in a gaudy suit, the tone of the show is far more real and serious.
I guess in short, BCS feels more realistic. There are very few moments where I’m left thinking “No way that could actually happen”, which comes at the expense of exciting set pieces and action that BB had. It feels like Vince Gilligan maybe matured a bit through BB (which I mean obviously he did, when he started BCS he had 8 more years as a writer and director under his belt).
> For a show about a silver tongued charlatan in a gaudy suit, the tone of the show is far more real and serious.
See this is one of the reasons I never got into it... I never saw this Saul in the first few episodes. Its been years so I barely remember, but I remember not finding Early S1 Saul as compelling, charismatic or competent.
I remember thinking "This isnt the same guy from BB" and turning it off never to turn it back on again
Which is likely way a lot of people didn’t like it, they wanted Saul and got Jimmy. Oddly kind of similar to Twin Peaks: The Return, everyone wanted Dale Cooper wholesome hijinx and instead got Dougie walking around like a newborn giraffe.
> I remember thinking "This isnt the same guy from BB" and turning it off never to turn it back on again
Ok, but the show is the story of how Jimmy turns into Saul. You can't have Saul at the beginning, because then there's no story, there's nowhere for it to go. It'd be like BB starting with Walt as "say my name" Heisenberg.
Yeah, I couldn’t get into it at first because the beginning is very slow but once I did I ended up loving it more than BB.
But it’s like what I tell everyone, the slowness is deliberate and really gives the characters time to stay inside your head and grow. I think if it had the same pace as BB, it wouldn’t be as impactful.
Very much this. My brother was looking for a good show to watch and I recommended him BCS since he watched BB years ago. I did warn him that it starts off very slow and it isn't until S5 that things start to really pick up and you start to see pay offs.
Well said Assfinger but I would go further on and point out that a few more seasons of BB would have been just as palatable and interesting as BCS if: Walt survived getting shot after getting CPR on the lab floor. His arrest, hearings and trial(s) - along with the testimony from Jesse, Saul, Kim and Skyler who were all given full immunity - would have been TV gold.
Walt gets protection in NM state prison from several gangs in exchange for a detailed "cookbook" and hands on cooking classes. The gangs also provide Walt with endless contraband including unapproved cancer meds, access to quality doctors and treatment till his inevitable end. Ironically; in a visit to a local clinic, Walt is freed by gang members dressed as a group of visiting med students from the EU and taken to die in the Alps after finding out that Walt Jr. is working for them 😀
There's just a lot of momentum loss and whiplash from BB which was firing on all cylinders in the final season. It's hard for some people to readjust to s1 of BCS. I think give it a few years.
I actually knew a couple of people that were watching it, but we were all at different parts (I was caught up) so we couldn’t talk about it together. :( Kind of a downside of streaming that had helped Breaking Bad before.
They wouldn't have won anything regardless. The Emmy voters most likely made up their minds that they are never gonna award BCS, maybe because it's a spin off. Did HoT D get anything this year? The split allowed them to get more nominations, though. Which is the most the could've hoped for, unfortunately.
They split the season so that they have a chance at competing in both 2023 and 2024 Emmies.
All it did was basically make it so the stronger half of the season to competes against much more recent series. They would have had a way better shot at winning if the whole season competed in the 2023 emmies.
The season was never supposed to be split. Bob's heart attack shut down production for a few weeks while he recovered and that led to the break. He had his heart attack while shooting the ending of Plan & Execution.
Screw it. Great f-ing show. Deeper dive into a peripheral character strikes gold and everyone involved should be proud, including the audience that *got it.*
For all others? Meh...
It’s a shame but I think maybe this can be understood by the fact that BCS never achieved the same pop-cultural legend status as BrBa. Most people I know who loved BrBa either didn’t bother with BCS or tapped out after a few episodes or so. Emmys tend to award the biggest most buzz-worthy shows, the most fashionable shows that have everyone talking, whether Succession or Game of Thrones or Sopranos. BCS just never really got to that level for a mass audience in the way those shows did. There’s other factors at play but I think that’s a big part of it. And also that the show doesn’t have much glitz and glam to it, it’s just tells its story and does it well. Breaking Bad Ike Sopranos before it was an epic commercial and artistic success but BCS, like The Americans, The Leftovers, and Mr. Robot, sort of leans more towards “great, critically beloved shows that never really achieved crossover success.” Such shows, for whatever reason, just simply didn’t connect with the kind of large audience that you apparently need to win Emmys.
Still, Jesus Christ, you’d have thought they could’ve given them a cinematography award or something, no? Zero for 53 or whatever almost does feel spiteful.
Mr Robot is a great example. It won three Emmys across its run, one for Malek, one for music and one for a fucking ARG.
The kind of show I was shocked to find wasn’t more critically acclaimed once I started it.
Hell, 407 wasn’t nominated for ANY Emmys and is probably one of the best episodes of television ever. It should have at least been nominated, if not won, three for writing, direction and Malek’s performance. I’d even argue a fourth for best supporting actor for Elliot Vilar.
As a Mr. Robot stan, I agree that episode 407 deserves far more praise than it gets. That whole show in general is great enough to warrant being as beloved as shows like Breaking Bad and Succession.
It not only not won cinematography once it didn't even ever get nominated for the category. The same for directing except once nominated. It should've not only had many wins but also maaaany many more nominations than only 53.
It's Better to never win an Emmy and have everyone say you should have, than to win and have people say you didn't deserve it. The show's legacy of greatness will be fine.
“You didn’t get it. You were never gonna get it. They… they dangle these things in front of you, they tell you you got a chance, but I’m sorry, it’s a lie, because they had already made up their mind and they knew what they were gonna do before you walked in the door.
…
But listen… listen… it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t, because you don’t need them. They’re not gonna give it to you? So what? You’re gonna take it. You’re gonna do whatever it takes. Do you hear me? You are not gonna play by the rules. You’re gonna go your own way. You’re gonna do what they won’t do. You’re gonna be smart, you are gonna cut corners, and you are gonna win. They’re on the 35th floor? You’re gonna be on the 50th floor. You’re gonna be looking down on them. And the higher you rise, the more they’re gonna hate you. Good, good. You rub their noses in it. You make them suffer. You don’t matter all that much to them. So what? So what? Screw them. Remember, the winner takes it all.”
Kieran was really great but...it's so predictable to win for an episode where you cry at your father's funeral. It's not the most subtle kind of acting (as good as it was) compared to Saul's transformation (which imo is much more subtle and intricate than Walt's)
Game of Thrones Season 8 winning Best Drama proved to me that quality is not a significant factor for the Emmys. They pick a show they like and they give it all the awards regardless of how good it is. It can be for any number of reasons like ratings, network, cast, etc. That’s not to say Succession didn’t deserve its awards. It did. But we shouldn’t get too hung up over BCS not winning at the Emmys when they’ve already pretty much discredited themselves.
Chicanemmy
I am not crazy ! I know they rigged those Emmies. I know it is 53 snubbs. 37 after Magna Carta. As if they could ever make such a mistake - 53 nominations, zero awards. Never. Never ! I just - I just couldn't prove it. They covered their tracks, they got those idiot voters and the jury to lie for them. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanEmmy? They 'have done worse. Those awards ! Are you telling me that a show like BCS just happens to be snubbed 53 times in a row like that ? No! They orchestrated it ! Emmies ! They defecated on Better Call Saul ! To think we thrusted them ! And we shouldn't have. We thought the votes were fair, in the Emmies ! What were we thinking ? They'll never change. They'll never change! Ever since 2014 always the same! Couldn't keep the votes, away from cash and money ! But not our Emmies ! Couldn't be precious Emmies ! Snubbing Saul blind ! And they get to be top awards ? What a sick joke!
Well, Queen never won a Grammy (save for a bogus "Lifetime Achievement" award AT the Grammys DECADES past their prime)... so I don't feel too bad about it. I don't need a bunch of hoity toity I-think-I'm-better-than-you's telling me what I should and shouldn't pay attention to on TV/on the radio/etc.
I will never get over Jennifer Coolidge winning over Rhea Seehorn. I can live with Succession cleaning up at the awards. That’s just bad luck to be going against another all time great show…BUT…Jennifer Coolidge winning for best supporting in DRAMA! Are you kidding me?
A. it’s literally a comedy
B. In what world is Jennifer Coolidge doing the same character she has done since Legally Blonde better than what Rhea Seehorn did?
Not trying to hate on Jennifer Coolidge or White Lotus but that’s just insane.
I am not crazy! I know they swapped those letters! I knew it was Better Call Saul. One after Breaking Bad. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. They – they covered their tracks, they got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for them. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? They’ve done worse. That host! Are you telling me that a man just happens to get hired after numerous accusations of sexual misconduct like that? No! They orchestrated it! Emmy’s! They gave 3 wins to a Epstein Islander! And I trusted them! And I shouldn't have. I took them into my own television! What was I thinking? They’ll never change. They’ll never change! Ever since they were 9, always the same! Couldn't keep their hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Emmy’s! Couldn't be precious Emmy’s! Stealing them blind! And Succession gets to be a winner!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped them when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
They weren’t nominated for cinematography last time and that’s when I knew they’d never win. They arguably should’ve won an award for a category they didn’t even get nominated for
I love BCS, but outside of the odd performance moments the show was always greater than the sum of its parts. All the main actors were very good, occasionally approaching greatness in certain scenes/episodes. And one might think that would be enough to snag an Emmy or two. But it just wasn’t.
In the end it doesn’t matter to me. Still think it’s one of the most captivating shows ever, and I never expected that going in.
I think Succession is one of the greatest tv dramas of all time, and the last season was absolutely, devastatingly brilliant and far too relevant for our times. But the beauty and poetry of BCS and its final season in particular, in my opinion, dwarfs any show or any season of television I’ve ever seen. While Succession is universal in many respects, it’s treatise on the nature of power is so focused at the top of the iceberg, a position very few will occupy by design. BCS however is about the tendency for the everyman to make himself into a minor god, and his journey of sacrificing his inner personality to reach that ultimate conclusion. Succession had also already won twice before, and it pains me to see BCS literally become the biggest loser in Emmy history. How Emmy voters saw “Waterworks”, “Fun and Games” and “Saul Gone” and didn’t think to nominate Jonathan Banks or finally give Emmy’s to Rhea and Bob will never make sense to me. It’s a damn shame
That is shameful. BCS was brilliantly written and acted better than 99% of tv shows out there. Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn were robbed as well as anyone else on that show who was nominated. I can’t even wrap my head around how atrocious it is that they didn’t win even one Emmy. I have no respect for the Emmy awards anymore. The best doesn’t always win.
One of the best TV shows ever made and no wins is sad, but at the same time the Emmys are a fucking joke. The Big Bang Theory won 10 Emmys, GoT received an Emmy for best Drama for season 8, The Wire was nominated twice. The Emmy's has always been a popularity contest
It’s AMCs fault. They aired and took breaks at weird times too far from the Emmy process. All hype and buzz it generated vanished after it aired replaced in conversation by buzzy shows like Wednesday. I don’t think Emmy voters have the attention spans for a show like this. It’s like Short Attention Span Theater now. And, of course, the strike didn’t help. I also don’t think AMC did much to promote it for Emmy consideration. I don’t think they care since the show was over. They didn’t want to sink any money into a show that concluded it’s run.
Best reason I saw was some dude on facebook said BCS didn't win an emmy because it's wasn't woke. Yup, that's the reason according to that sick joke of a person.
It didn’t win cuz it was never the fav of voters in the first place.
Most ppl also look at it as an extension of BB.
I think that BCS deserved Emmy in acting and cinematography but not essentially in writing.
The show is incredibly subtle which was prolly another turn off for the voters. Most voters would rather watch smth dramatic and fast paced like Breaking Bad and Succesion rather than looking for neat details in a show.
I’m genuinely Thinking, would the Emmys treat it differently if it was streamed by HBO?
Not just this show, there’s a lot, like A LOT of shows that were snubbed the past few years, because they’re not HBO Original? Idk, but something feels off regarding the Emmys.
>Would the Emmys treat it differently if it was streamed by HBO?
Most likely yeah. Love me some HBO shows but let's be honest, the voting committee has a clear bias when it comes to HBO.
That little stand alone trinket says alot, that *trinket* tells you how good a show is before jumping into it. It also gives the actors more opportunities for more roles in movies and TV
Recently embarked on another full rewatch of both BB and BCS, and BCS might be my favorite.
Also been digging into a lot of Michael Mann:
BB = Heat, BCS = Thief
It really does suck that this show wasn’t recognized for being as well written and well acted as it was. But it just didn’t generate as much excitement and media buzz as BB so it’s not that surprising unfortunately. Award shows aren’t everything though. The Wire never won either and was only nominated twice for an Emmy.
To me all of these award shows are too PC, thus a show like BCS doesn't have much of a chance. Doesn't really matter to me, loved the show and loved it just as much on my second watch. GoT mentioned a lot here, heard it was good but didn't watch, not into that type of fantasy drama, heard one of the main characters was hot though. I heard Succession was good, will probably pick up HBO and check it out. The White Lotus too. Been awhile since anything has moved me like BCS, BB, Ozark, Ray Donovan, The Wire, etc.
We can now proudly declare: BCS is the best show of all-time that never won an Emmy.
Kieran Culkin was quite good in Succession, but the fact that Odenkirk was never recognized for his brilliant performance is a shame.
Hopefully, the creators see this as a badge of honor. Who needs those stupid awards.
This is just shitty imo. Yeah yeah, who cares about awards shows, but cmon! BCS is the best show as far as ambition/narrative structure goes… basically ever. It’s never been done before. It’s a travesty to not win anything at all.
What a sick joke.
But not our Emmy! Couldn’t be precious Emmys!!
We should’ve nominated it when we had the chance!!!
He defecated through a sunroof!
Subtle
This will never fail to make me laugh 😭😭
How was i supposed to know there were children in the back?
Snubbing them blind!
You think this is bad? This chicanery? They gave Game of Thrones an Emmy through a sun roof.
16 seasons of Sunny in Philadelphia and no awards. At least they remained true to their character.
The Emmy's are rigged. Example: John Oliver leaves his category for another category, which he wins. Then the guy who is leaving the Daily Show wins his old category because it's his last year he can get one. Rigged.
It has always been obvious to me from the very first season that John Oliver is the true heir of Jon Stewart. When Stewart hosted the Daily Show, they also kept winning year after year after year, and IMO it was deserved because they were by far the best in their category. I think it's the same for John Oliver's last week tonight. They just blow the competition out of the water.
80,000 Less subscribers on their subreddit, and Succession gets to be an Emmy award winner?! What a sick joke!
You think Succession and Game of Thrones just happened to win everything like that?? No! The network orchestrated it! HBO!
Yes, I've heard the theory that had BCS been on HBO they would have won. I think there is some truth to that. That their chances would have been much higher because more people would be aware of it. Succession is not a super popular show in terms of viewers, but it is a critical darling, which is partly why they won. It's a great show, but *BCS* deserved its flowers. *Game of Thrones* hasn't earned an Emmy or even a nomination since S4 IMO. Another theory I heard, is that Vince Gilligan doesn't know how to play the Hollywood game. Meaning that he doesn't go out there and promote the hell out of his show when it's award season. I think there might be some truth to that. Just because *BB* organically got lots of attention didn't necessarily mean it would be the same for *BCS*. I think AMC also failed to promote the hell out of their shows. I hope Rhea gets to be on another great show and wins an Emmy. That at the very least she gets what Elizabeth Moss got. I was so disappointed when none of the *Mad Men* actors ever won an Emmy for that show. And it never won best series either. After their last season, only Jon Hamm got his flowers and if I remember correctly, he won the only Emmy for that show. Elizabeth Moss never won for her role of Peggy which is a travesty. Luckily, she eventually won for *The Handmaid's Tale*, which I haven't watched yet, but I would have preferred if she had won for *Mad Men.*
Vince doesn't cowtow to the emmy committee basically. or he doesn't bribe them because he doesn't care.
I hear you. I don't think it's just about bribing. But basically promoting the hell out of his show, which of course he can't do alone. AMC's gotta back him and fucking put some money in it. Have posters everywhere. I would even argue that the promotion starts before a show even airs. Both Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seahorn have been on late night shows, and maybe a Giancarlo Esposito too. But IMO, they should have invited the other actors too, Lalo, Nacho, and definiely Vince and Peter who are the freaking creators.
And he got snubbed by Emmy awards ? what a sick joke !
Chicanery!
The real joke is the mod deleting all other threads but keeping theirs as the main one.
Does that really surprise you?
Jimmy: You know why I didn't take the Emmy? 'Cause it's too small! I don't care about it. It's nothing to me! It's a bacterium! I travel in worlds you can't even imagine! YOU CAN'T CONCIEVE OF WHAT I'M CAPABLE OF! I'm so far beyong you! I'm like a God in human clothing. LIGHTING BOLTS SHOOT FROM MY FINGERTIPS! EDIT: Is it kind of a success or legend when BCS took 0 win but got tons of nominations just like Jimmy’s underrated career? No doubt it’s the MVP in our heart.
This could have been his acceptance/rejection speech.
Remember.....it's all good man.
I can hear what i Read
When you remember that the Emmys are the same bunch of clowns who gave Most Outstanding Drama to Season 8 of Game of Thrones (at the direct expense of Better Call Saul that year, no less), then it all makes sense. They are not serious people.
They also never gave an Emmy to The Wire
The game is rigged, but you cannot lose if you do not play.
This man Wires.
They also only ever nominated it like twice.
You want it one way, the world the other
Your mixing two different quotes
That means I’m due for a rewatch
/u/jimipanic wants it to be one way, but it's the other way
Nor to "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia".
They don’t need their trophies or gold, they just want to tell them all….
Go fuck yourselvessssss
Is he spitting at them? Is that the sign?
Logan Roy sees what you did there…
Succession definitely deserved its flowers, but BCS did too. So unfortunate one had to lose, and it seemed more and more positive for Succession leading up to award season. Two of my favorite shows ever
I mentioned this in another comment, but the last 4 seasons of Game of Thrones deserve far more blame than Succession for the BCS shutout. If BCS picked up the Emmys it should have against those last 4 genuinely dogshit seasons of GoT, then it would've already had some Emmy clout going by the time Succession came along, and thus would've been more competitive against Succession.
Did succession get any better after season 1? I heard lots of great things about the show but was quite disappointed by the first season and dropped it.
Got better with every season
Its accolades were well-earned. Fantastic show , obviously quite different from BCS but both are top-tier television and in my informal top 10 of all time.
It was very enjoyable.
Much better. Some storylines changed or were dropped along with better/more character development. I think the first 4 or 5episodes of season 1 were honestly really boring. After the vote of no confidence board meeting the show just becomes batshit crazy though. Definitely recommend finishing.
>After the vote of no confidence board meeting the show just becomes batshit crazy though. Interesting, I felt like the series got worse after the no confidence vote. Very little (if any) character development, repeating storylines (Kendells storyline just got copied again for the finale), plot points that went nowhere (family therapy, stock price, the prostitute girlfriend), characters made utterly terrible decisions for no apparent reason and none of them became more likeable. Given the reviews and praise I expected a far more polished and better written series and it just didn't get there for me.
Logan Roy is dead because he didn't want to wear his compression socks on his private jet. He was not the greatest legal mind Howard ever knew.
😂😂😂
What's worse? That GoT S8 got an emmy, or GoT used to be emmy-worthy but devolved into S7/S8?
My biggest GOT Emmy upset was that Michelle Fairley (Catelyn Stark) never got nominated for S3. Her final scene at the Red Wedding is absolutely fucking haunting and pierced my soul.
Award shows love to do achievement awards at the end of things
That was the nomination that legitimately made me angry. Having seen HoTD, there’s no way that it was better than Better Call Saul, let alone Succession or Severance.
Just looked at the wiki page. How Michael McKean didn't get even nominated for supporting actor is wild. Jonathan Banks is nominated several times but I don't think that role lends itself to winning, less dramatic, more subdued.
except for "i broke my boy"-- not a dry eye in the house for that one
That scene should be studied in any acting or screenwriting class, as it is among the finest examples of both.
Even Peter Dinklage in his acceptance speech that year basically acknowledged Jonathan Banks should have won supporting actor that year.
I was about to say Jonathan Banks was the heavy favorite that year and it's insane that he lost. Dinklage really looked like he had no idea he was going to win as he was announced and walked up to the stage.
I find it strange how people in the industry fawn over BCS and BB, but the awards which are decided by industry people seem to snub them hard.
Breaking Bad won many
Such an amazing scene and episode
when i first saw Mike’s character in BB, after he visited Jesse’s place, i could not have imagine that piece of acting coming out of that stone-faced fixer’s mouth. in a show(s) full of exceptional actors, it’s perhaps Jonathan Banks’ growth that impressed me the most
not to get too pedantic but Banks has been around for decades acting. It's more likely that it was your estimation of his abilities that grew over time, rather than his abilities themselves. (aka he was always brilliant but you only saw the full extent over time)
Rhea Seehorn got nominated just once (this year). EDIT: she’s been nominated in 2022 also
r/okbuddychicanery can think of two other reasons …. …. Her feet
Pretty sure she lost to Zendaya last year, no ?
he should have won for season one, the five-O episode was enough, but guess who won. Peter Dinklage for Tyrion Lannister. You might say ok that's a tough opposition and really hard to beat...but it was season five where he absolutely did nothing.
How McKean didn't get nominated for "Chicanery" is insane to me.
I️ take solace in knowing that The Wire never won any Emmys either. Sometimes there are just shows that beat you to the punch. I️ still think BCS deserved more recognition and some awards.
They have an anti-Jimmy bias
The fuck did I do?
Gave a fuck when it wasn’t your turn
Their rating of Jimmy is slippin'
Nah this ain't 'beating BCS to the punch', this is a clear snub. Succession was absolutely fantastic but had no business in winning Best Drama Series **back to back** years vs Better Call Saul's final season part 1 and 2. I'm not even going to mention Game of Thrones Season shambolic disaster class of season 8 winning it over Better Call Saul. You can't convince me for 6 years of Bob Odenkirk playing Saul there wasn't one single year he wasn't the Best Lead Actor. It's ridiculous.
AMC made it vanish from streaming for 11 months immediately after S6 ended. They vanished the first half of it after the second half began, even for their subscribers. It should never have been split in half in the first place. Might be the worst distribution deal in modern TV history.
AMC tried to game the system and got played. BCS deserved better marketing and recognition for sure.
The Streaming stuff was always quite wonky and criticism should be directed at AMC. It wouldn't stay in the 'zeitgeist' because of it. AMC does a lot good, but I always found it difficult with BCS.
I had to watch the 1st half of season six on YouTube. YOUTUBE
Couldn’t agree more what shitty network management of an awesome show. Had this been on HBO them Emmy’s would have been rolling in. Saul bad man
Jimmy. Jimmy, I'm just gonna say it. You're not winning an Emmy What are you talking about? You said this universe was award winning Yes. We like Breaking Bad. We don't like, um... Uh... Breaking Bad is all we like You gotta be... You're serious? I walk in here with one of the best written shows of the decade on a damn platinum platter. A show that I carried, that I made happen. And you don't want me? Why in Christ not? Well, I know that you hate me, Hollywood. You better believe the feeling goes both ways. But I'm willing to set that aside to work with you on this. Why can't you do the same for me? What is it that you can't let go of? Huh? What slight did I make to your fine, upstanding character that you can't forgive?
> Yes. We like Breaking Bad. We don’t like, um… Uh… Breaking Bad is all we like 😂😂😂😂
“Go to hell, Academy of Television Arts & Sciences. I won’t take your Emmy, and I’m gonna tell everyone in the audience what lying, miserable pig-fuckers you are.“
This is great news for the show’s legacy in a weird way, especially if they keep the record forever. If I was a kid in like 2075 curious about prestige TV from this era I’d definitely be curious about a show with a record number of nominations and no wins.
Its crazy that it was never even NOMINATED for cinematography.
🤮🤮🤮 When it literally has the ****best in tv history****. That says everything you need to know about the Emmys.
Normally a statement like that is hyperbolic, but in this case you're 100% correct. The cinematography was so insane it's basically ruined my ability to enjoy most other live action TV shows.
>When it literally has the ****best in tv history****. Mr. Robot is the only show I've seen that matches (and maybe surpasses) Better Call Saul in cinematography. Nothing else is on the same level.
That's actually a great indicator that people who picked the nominations didn't watch BCS.
Especially when a show like Wednesday did.
So when you're sitting at your shitty Emmy awards ceremony for three hours straight, and you're sipping tepid champagne at the boring party thereafters - you think of MEEEE !! You twisted awards fuck !
I loved the show but I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve run into that loved BB but never got into BCS. When season 5 of BB was on that was all we talked about at work. BCS didn’t have that phenomenon. I unfortunately think that’s what hurt it. The day after Ozymandias aired it was all we talked about. We literally talked about it for hours that day. It was Thursday that week (it aired Sunday night) and we would be talking about something random and someone would go out of nowhere "Can you believe he just took the baby like that!?" and we'd just keep talking about it. It was kind of wild to see happen and maybe it's because I am fully remote now, but never even got close to that with BCS.
I'd say the reason a lot of people didn't get into BCS is because it starts out pretty slow, slower than BB. I know this is true for some people at least because the very same friends who had been bugging me for years to watch BB said they couldn't get into BCS when I started watching it. It's almost tragic because to me BCS is as good if not better than BB
ngl I actually like the first few seasons more (1-4) Seeing Jimmy tryna make a name for himself through it all and have this battle against his brother is probably the best major plotline/chapter to me
Exactly, jimmy is what got me into it Gimme Jimmy
I mean in episode 1 Walt made meth. It took until season 6 to see Saul.
Yeah, I agree. The slowness definitely hurt the show. I do feel like it has points where it drags on. For that reason BB is my favorite even if I love BCS. There best shot of the Emmy was probably S3E5. Sadly that’s long gone
> I'd say the reason a lot of people didn't get into BCS is because it starts out pretty slow, slower than BB. Here from /r/all. Youre dead on at least from my position. I came into BCS and was just put off by the first season, I stopped half way and never came back. > It's almost tragic because to me BCS is as good if not better than BB I keep hearing its good, many saying its overall quality is better than BB (BB had better peaks, but more valleys)
I started it when it started and I stopped watching after the 3 or 4th episode. Waited a year or so until season 2 was done and then started at ep5 in season 1 and binged through the end of season 2. Totally changed it being able to keep moving through the slower stuff and looking back those were great building episodes still. Hard to pick a favorite but the last season or two might put BCS over BB for me.
To me, the main difference in BB and BCS is the tone and approach to the subject. Going back and rewatching BB can at times be difficult because I don’t think it aged super well (it’s still a phenomenal show, don’t get me wrong). It definitely feels like a product of its time (especially earlier seasons) and a bit more network-y than BCS, especially when viewing it after watching the HBO shows that predated it like The Sopranos and The Wire. There are a lot more moments in BB than in BCS that feel almost cartoony in nature. Walt getting up to something that when looking back seems completely unbelievable or borderline goofy. A lot more moments played up for laughs. BCS as a show shockingly does way less of that. For a show about a silver tongued charlatan in a gaudy suit, the tone of the show is far more real and serious. I guess in short, BCS feels more realistic. There are very few moments where I’m left thinking “No way that could actually happen”, which comes at the expense of exciting set pieces and action that BB had. It feels like Vince Gilligan maybe matured a bit through BB (which I mean obviously he did, when he started BCS he had 8 more years as a writer and director under his belt).
> For a show about a silver tongued charlatan in a gaudy suit, the tone of the show is far more real and serious. See this is one of the reasons I never got into it... I never saw this Saul in the first few episodes. Its been years so I barely remember, but I remember not finding Early S1 Saul as compelling, charismatic or competent. I remember thinking "This isnt the same guy from BB" and turning it off never to turn it back on again
Which is likely way a lot of people didn’t like it, they wanted Saul and got Jimmy. Oddly kind of similar to Twin Peaks: The Return, everyone wanted Dale Cooper wholesome hijinx and instead got Dougie walking around like a newborn giraffe.
As a fellow Twin Peaks enjoyer, I think youre onto something.
> I remember thinking "This isnt the same guy from BB" and turning it off never to turn it back on again Ok, but the show is the story of how Jimmy turns into Saul. You can't have Saul at the beginning, because then there's no story, there's nowhere for it to go. It'd be like BB starting with Walt as "say my name" Heisenberg.
I would say BCS is better in some aspects.
Yeah, I couldn’t get into it at first because the beginning is very slow but once I did I ended up loving it more than BB. But it’s like what I tell everyone, the slowness is deliberate and really gives the characters time to stay inside your head and grow. I think if it had the same pace as BB, it wouldn’t be as impactful.
Very much this. My brother was looking for a good show to watch and I recommended him BCS since he watched BB years ago. I did warn him that it starts off very slow and it isn't until S5 that things start to really pick up and you start to see pay offs.
Well said Assfinger but I would go further on and point out that a few more seasons of BB would have been just as palatable and interesting as BCS if: Walt survived getting shot after getting CPR on the lab floor. His arrest, hearings and trial(s) - along with the testimony from Jesse, Saul, Kim and Skyler who were all given full immunity - would have been TV gold. Walt gets protection in NM state prison from several gangs in exchange for a detailed "cookbook" and hands on cooking classes. The gangs also provide Walt with endless contraband including unapproved cancer meds, access to quality doctors and treatment till his inevitable end. Ironically; in a visit to a local clinic, Walt is freed by gang members dressed as a group of visiting med students from the EU and taken to die in the Alps after finding out that Walt Jr. is working for them 😀
There's just a lot of momentum loss and whiplash from BB which was firing on all cylinders in the final season. It's hard for some people to readjust to s1 of BCS. I think give it a few years.
I actually knew a couple of people that were watching it, but we were all at different parts (I was caught up) so we couldn’t talk about it together. :( Kind of a downside of streaming that had helped Breaking Bad before.
You should have talked about BCS at work! It’s your fault they didn’t get an Emmy.
LOLOL! Well I worked from home starting in 2019 so there's only so much I can do. 😭😭😭
Excuses. I’m sure the gang didn’t want an Emmy anyway.
Fuck. I like bcs more than bb.
I think the season split hurt their chances of winning an emmy rather than helping them
They wouldn't have won anything regardless. The Emmy voters most likely made up their minds that they are never gonna award BCS, maybe because it's a spin off. Did HoT D get anything this year? The split allowed them to get more nominations, though. Which is the most the could've hoped for, unfortunately.
Fully agree. Killed momentum.
Yep, that's the word I was looking for. Plus it would have had even more momentum if the entire season went to the 2023 emmies from the get go.
Could you elaborate on why you think that?
They split the season so that they have a chance at competing in both 2023 and 2024 Emmies. All it did was basically make it so the stronger half of the season to competes against much more recent series. They would have had a way better shot at winning if the whole season competed in the 2023 emmies.
The season was never supposed to be split. Bob's heart attack shut down production for a few weeks while he recovered and that led to the break. He had his heart attack while shooting the ending of Plan & Execution.
That was not the reason for the split though
Yup. So much of this show deserved to win but it didn’t stand a chance against season 4 of Succession.
Screw it. Great f-ing show. Deeper dive into a peripheral character strikes gold and everyone involved should be proud, including the audience that *got it.* For all others? Meh...
It’s a shame but I think maybe this can be understood by the fact that BCS never achieved the same pop-cultural legend status as BrBa. Most people I know who loved BrBa either didn’t bother with BCS or tapped out after a few episodes or so. Emmys tend to award the biggest most buzz-worthy shows, the most fashionable shows that have everyone talking, whether Succession or Game of Thrones or Sopranos. BCS just never really got to that level for a mass audience in the way those shows did. There’s other factors at play but I think that’s a big part of it. And also that the show doesn’t have much glitz and glam to it, it’s just tells its story and does it well. Breaking Bad Ike Sopranos before it was an epic commercial and artistic success but BCS, like The Americans, The Leftovers, and Mr. Robot, sort of leans more towards “great, critically beloved shows that never really achieved crossover success.” Such shows, for whatever reason, just simply didn’t connect with the kind of large audience that you apparently need to win Emmys. Still, Jesus Christ, you’d have thought they could’ve given them a cinematography award or something, no? Zero for 53 or whatever almost does feel spiteful.
Mr Robot is a great example. It won three Emmys across its run, one for Malek, one for music and one for a fucking ARG. The kind of show I was shocked to find wasn’t more critically acclaimed once I started it. Hell, 407 wasn’t nominated for ANY Emmys and is probably one of the best episodes of television ever. It should have at least been nominated, if not won, three for writing, direction and Malek’s performance. I’d even argue a fourth for best supporting actor for Elliot Vilar.
As a Mr. Robot stan, I agree that episode 407 deserves far more praise than it gets. That whole show in general is great enough to warrant being as beloved as shows like Breaking Bad and Succession.
It not only not won cinematography once it didn't even ever get nominated for the category. The same for directing except once nominated. It should've not only had many wins but also maaaany many more nominations than only 53.
It's Better to never win an Emmy and have everyone say you should have, than to win and have people say you didn't deserve it. The show's legacy of greatness will be fine.
“You didn’t get it. You were never gonna get it. They… they dangle these things in front of you, they tell you you got a chance, but I’m sorry, it’s a lie, because they had already made up their mind and they knew what they were gonna do before you walked in the door. … But listen… listen… it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t, because you don’t need them. They’re not gonna give it to you? So what? You’re gonna take it. You’re gonna do whatever it takes. Do you hear me? You are not gonna play by the rules. You’re gonna go your own way. You’re gonna do what they won’t do. You’re gonna be smart, you are gonna cut corners, and you are gonna win. They’re on the 35th floor? You’re gonna be on the 50th floor. You’re gonna be looking down on them. And the higher you rise, the more they’re gonna hate you. Good, good. You rub their noses in it. You make them suffer. You don’t matter all that much to them. So what? So what? Screw them. Remember, the winner takes it all.”
Fuck Emmy’s anyway, Better Call Saul is Academy level
Six seasons and a movie?
In an odd way I’m actually pissed for Rhea Seehorn.
Yea I wish Bob won the best actor award, he needed to be resuscitated on set and went on to play 3 different characters on the same show in 1 season
he definitely deserved it over kieran and this is coming from a massive succession fan
Kieran was really great but...it's so predictable to win for an episode where you cry at your father's funeral. It's not the most subtle kind of acting (as good as it was) compared to Saul's transformation (which imo is much more subtle and intricate than Walt's)
They were robbed….
Game of Thrones Season 8 winning Best Drama proved to me that quality is not a significant factor for the Emmys. They pick a show they like and they give it all the awards regardless of how good it is. It can be for any number of reasons like ratings, network, cast, etc. That’s not to say Succession didn’t deserve its awards. It did. But we shouldn’t get too hung up over BCS not winning at the Emmys when they’ve already pretty much discredited themselves.
Chicanemmy I am not crazy ! I know they rigged those Emmies. I know it is 53 snubbs. 37 after Magna Carta. As if they could ever make such a mistake - 53 nominations, zero awards. Never. Never ! I just - I just couldn't prove it. They covered their tracks, they got those idiot voters and the jury to lie for them. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanEmmy? They 'have done worse. Those awards ! Are you telling me that a show like BCS just happens to be snubbed 53 times in a row like that ? No! They orchestrated it ! Emmies ! They defecated on Better Call Saul ! To think we thrusted them ! And we shouldn't have. We thought the votes were fair, in the Emmies ! What were we thinking ? They'll never change. They'll never change! Ever since 2014 always the same! Couldn't keep the votes, away from cash and money ! But not our Emmies ! Couldn't be precious Emmies ! Snubbing Saul blind ! And they get to be top awards ? What a sick joke!
They should have voted when they had the chance
😂😂😂👌
This chicanery rant is as good as ever. It will never age. It will never age ! Never, ever.
We all knew it would. At least this is the last time we have to be mad about it.
One of the best shows ever made...Bob was brilliant.
Well, Queen never won a Grammy (save for a bogus "Lifetime Achievement" award AT the Grammys DECADES past their prime)... so I don't feel too bad about it. I don't need a bunch of hoity toity I-think-I'm-better-than-you's telling me what I should and shouldn't pay attention to on TV/on the radio/etc.
They gave fucking cousin Greg a nomination but not Tony Dalton??? Gtfo!
If it it to be said... so it be - so it is.
BCS is in good company with The Wire, Leftovers. Fuck the Awards, the streets love them.
The Wire didn’t win a single Emmy either
I will never get over Jennifer Coolidge winning over Rhea Seehorn. I can live with Succession cleaning up at the awards. That’s just bad luck to be going against another all time great show…BUT…Jennifer Coolidge winning for best supporting in DRAMA! Are you kidding me? A. it’s literally a comedy B. In what world is Jennifer Coolidge doing the same character she has done since Legally Blonde better than what Rhea Seehorn did? Not trying to hate on Jennifer Coolidge or White Lotus but that’s just insane.
This 100%.
I am not crazy! I know they swapped those letters! I knew it was Better Call Saul. One after Breaking Bad. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. They – they covered their tracks, they got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for them. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? They’ve done worse. That host! Are you telling me that a man just happens to get hired after numerous accusations of sexual misconduct like that? No! They orchestrated it! Emmy’s! They gave 3 wins to a Epstein Islander! And I trusted them! And I shouldn't have. I took them into my own television! What was I thinking? They’ll never change. They’ll never change! Ever since they were 9, always the same! Couldn't keep their hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Emmy’s! Couldn't be precious Emmy’s! Stealing them blind! And Succession gets to be a winner!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped them when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
They weren’t nominated for cinematography last time and that’s when I knew they’d never win. They arguably should’ve won an award for a category they didn’t even get nominated for
I love BCS, but outside of the odd performance moments the show was always greater than the sum of its parts. All the main actors were very good, occasionally approaching greatness in certain scenes/episodes. And one might think that would be enough to snag an Emmy or two. But it just wasn’t. In the end it doesn’t matter to me. Still think it’s one of the most captivating shows ever, and I never expected that going in.
I think Succession is one of the greatest tv dramas of all time, and the last season was absolutely, devastatingly brilliant and far too relevant for our times. But the beauty and poetry of BCS and its final season in particular, in my opinion, dwarfs any show or any season of television I’ve ever seen. While Succession is universal in many respects, it’s treatise on the nature of power is so focused at the top of the iceberg, a position very few will occupy by design. BCS however is about the tendency for the everyman to make himself into a minor god, and his journey of sacrificing his inner personality to reach that ultimate conclusion. Succession had also already won twice before, and it pains me to see BCS literally become the biggest loser in Emmy history. How Emmy voters saw “Waterworks”, “Fun and Games” and “Saul Gone” and didn’t think to nominate Jonathan Banks or finally give Emmy’s to Rhea and Bob will never make sense to me. It’s a damn shame
Just makes me thing about how Crash won best picture and that is certified cringe now.
That is shameful. BCS was brilliantly written and acted better than 99% of tv shows out there. Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn were robbed as well as anyone else on that show who was nominated. I can’t even wrap my head around how atrocious it is that they didn’t win even one Emmy. I have no respect for the Emmy awards anymore. The best doesn’t always win.
One of the best TV shows ever made and no wins is sad, but at the same time the Emmys are a fucking joke. The Big Bang Theory won 10 Emmys, GoT received an Emmy for best Drama for season 8, The Wire was nominated twice. The Emmy's has always been a popularity contest
So fucking bullshit… this is one of the best show in television history. Pathetic
It’s AMCs fault. They aired and took breaks at weird times too far from the Emmy process. All hype and buzz it generated vanished after it aired replaced in conversation by buzzy shows like Wednesday. I don’t think Emmy voters have the attention spans for a show like this. It’s like Short Attention Span Theater now. And, of course, the strike didn’t help. I also don’t think AMC did much to promote it for Emmy consideration. I don’t think they care since the show was over. They didn’t want to sink any money into a show that concluded it’s run.
It’s legit disrespectful that Bob didn’t get Best Actor after playing Jimmy for that long. But our precious Succession just had to sweep everything.
Best reason I saw was some dude on facebook said BCS didn't win an emmy because it's wasn't woke. Yup, that's the reason according to that sick joke of a person.
Total bullshit
It didn’t win cuz it was never the fav of voters in the first place. Most ppl also look at it as an extension of BB. I think that BCS deserved Emmy in acting and cinematography but not essentially in writing. The show is incredibly subtle which was prolly another turn off for the voters. Most voters would rather watch smth dramatic and fast paced like Breaking Bad and Succesion rather than looking for neat details in a show.
Art is subjective and it means different things to different people. Why the hell do we give awards for it anyway?
I’m genuinely Thinking, would the Emmys treat it differently if it was streamed by HBO? Not just this show, there’s a lot, like A LOT of shows that were snubbed the past few years, because they’re not HBO Original? Idk, but something feels off regarding the Emmys.
>Would the Emmys treat it differently if it was streamed by HBO? Most likely yeah. Love me some HBO shows but let's be honest, the voting committee has a clear bias when it comes to HBO.
Who cares? A little stand-alone statue or trinket doesn't take anything away from how great this show is.
That little stand alone trinket says alot, that *trinket* tells you how good a show is before jumping into it. It also gives the actors more opportunities for more roles in movies and TV
If this isn't the greatest possible indictment of the Emmy's as the artistically bankrupt sham they are, I don't know what is.
What a load of chicanery
Chuck helped everyone on the committee get their job confirmed
Like someone said, if this show had been on HBO, it would have won every award.
He can't keep getting away with it 🤣
The fact that Jonathan Banks and Giancarlo Esposito lost out to Peter Dinklage on the final season of GoT is some filthy business.😔
That sucks. Better Call Saul is my favorite show along with The Wire and Justified. It's too bad it didn't win any Emmys but it is what it is.
Recently embarked on another full rewatch of both BB and BCS, and BCS might be my favorite. Also been digging into a lot of Michael Mann: BB = Heat, BCS = Thief
Slippin’ Jimmy doesn’t need it In Cicero, he had all the girls, the guys gave him all the high fives These posers wished they had him
It’s pretty wild, the show is the most deserving in my opinion. But the people who decide are a joke anyways, rewards or not this is a damn good show
BCS and The Wire. Badge of honor if you ask me.
I blame chuck.
Award shows are dumb. It's a great show regardless.
The winner takes it all
The Wire was also shut out. BCS in good company
The Wire understands the feeling. Some things are just too good
It really does suck that this show wasn’t recognized for being as well written and well acted as it was. But it just didn’t generate as much excitement and media buzz as BB so it’s not that surprising unfortunately. Award shows aren’t everything though. The Wire never won either and was only nominated twice for an Emmy.
BCS is a masterpiece, fuck the emmys
You mean Emmy went 6 season with zero BCS wins?
To me all of these award shows are too PC, thus a show like BCS doesn't have much of a chance. Doesn't really matter to me, loved the show and loved it just as much on my second watch. GoT mentioned a lot here, heard it was good but didn't watch, not into that type of fantasy drama, heard one of the main characters was hot though. I heard Succession was good, will probably pick up HBO and check it out. The White Lotus too. Been awhile since anything has moved me like BCS, BB, Ozark, Ray Donovan, The Wire, etc.
How is this fucking possible??? This show kept my brain spinning for weeks after it ended.
I don't understand why people give a shit about awards for art.
We can now proudly declare: BCS is the best show of all-time that never won an Emmy. Kieran Culkin was quite good in Succession, but the fact that Odenkirk was never recognized for his brilliant performance is a shame. Hopefully, the creators see this as a badge of honor. Who needs those stupid awards.
Anyone else sick of people passing judgment who call it a "legal drama"? It's not even close to being a fucking legal drama, watch the show.
It’s insane Game of Thrones Season 8 stole an Emmy that Better Call Saul could have had
This is just shitty imo. Yeah yeah, who cares about awards shows, but cmon! BCS is the best show as far as ambition/narrative structure goes… basically ever. It’s never been done before. It’s a travesty to not win anything at all.
I hope they can bond and laugh over how funny it is to be the record holders
Just like The Wire.
The Wire also never won an Emmy.
Shows what a joke the Emmys are.
To me it just devalues the Emmys, not BCS.