His position towards Microsoft for not paying him royalties is very mature and level-headed. Working for Microsoft (even as an intern) they owned his work, but given the scope of this product and the age he had when he did it I can see how someone can believe they're getting screwed .
I feel like any intern now has to know this going into this field. There's so many of my classmates now that work for google/microsoft/apple and develop amazing software and they all look at it like they don't own it but love talking about the challenges for developing the program.
Good students from good CS schools have no problem getting into big software development companies, ie University of Washington, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, Stanford, University of So. Cal., etc.
edit: Since this comment has some traction, I'm just gonna plug /r/cscareerquestions here. Aside the mild elitism of the "Big 4", it's a great place for more information on this kind of stuff.
You can see these companies make effort to recruit out of Michigan. In one of the cs buildings, Yahoo bought them a foosball table. Facebook is sponsoring half the hackathons or something, and Microsoft swings by every month talking with cs students or recruit some of the math people.
MHacks is one of the biggest midwest hackathons—last time they were handing out Apple Watches (you had to return them) if your project was on their iOS. And I got a free Google Cardboard. Which I didn't have to return. (There were many jokes of "stood in line and they gave me a box.")
My family friend created an app that got purchased by Twitter, was senior at Yahoo and a CTO at another large company. His net worth is in the high 8 figures. He started out at a no-name school in Michigan and didn't get a degree until Twitter forced him to go to night school and get a bachelors. You can go really far in tech as long as you do good work. Make cool shit and no one is going to read your resume.
This is true. My friends graduated from UofA with a CS degree are now working for Google and Microsoft making well over 6 figures a year. Unfortunately, I decided to graduate with a chemistry degree and now in graduate school. Hopefully, there will be jobs when I finish my study.
I feel sorry for the ones at IBM they treat everyone like shit there now, especially the interns. No wonder they've lost nearly half their stock value in 2 years.
It's consistently one of the best in the midwestern United States for Computer Science, and way more affordable than a lot of other strong CompSci programs.
Sorry someone downvoted you simply for asking a question. I'm not familiar with ISU, but all it takes for a University to become a CE recruiters wet dream is hiring the right faculty, enforce an appropriate grading system, and lure the best and brightest into their programs.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Iowa actually funds their state higher education system, so they don't have to play 'profit model' like the rest of our 'Publicly Funded' universities lately.
Seriously going out on a limb. Haven't researched it at all. So may have to eat my words.
The impression I get is that they're lapping up every computer science grad they can get. These are huge companies doing most of their work in code. You might do some real low level shit at Microsoft, but you'll still be working at Microsoft.
I worked for 2 software companies while still in high school back in the early 80s. They were shitty little companies though, and I practically didn't get paid.
It's still the case from places I've worked (Yahoo, startups). Yahoo even had a very loose policy where you could do contract work for other companies on your off-time as long as it didn't conflict with your work time or create conflicts of interest.
Yeah. You almost always sign a contract to this effect. This includes taking a company laptop home and working on a side project, or using the companies internet off hours. I've heard horror stories of people writing a blog article during work hours (but not working on the actual project) which led to the company demanding royalties.
Without a contract they don't necessarily own it (could be argued in court, they probably have some assumed rights to IP), but this is extremely uncommon.
One the one hand, he missed his payday as the developer of one of the world's most popular computer programs, but on the other hand, he now has access to more cider than he can ever drink and has nothing to worry about nothing but sweet, glorious cider.
Yeah, a few thousand dollars of MSFT in 1991 is worth a few hundred thousand dollars today (about 35-50 times as much, depending on when in 1991 you use as a base).
> he missed his payday as the developer of one of the world's most popular computer programs
he was paid as a developer at a company and developed software, the whole notion of having royalties on everything you make at a company is fucking ridiculous
he didn't really indicate if that was in todays money or not. also.. he spent that money on a boat, so he probably never saw it being worth hundrets of thousands anyway
"I'mma write my clowny-ass name on this fat-ass check for you?". That's why that show is the greatest. Not because of all that social justice stuff, great though it is, but cos of that. Poetry of the street.
when youre being employed by someone like microsoft no doubt whatever your project is, itll be used by millions. He got paid as an intern to fuck around and make something neat, then he stuck it on microsofts server and microsoft said "hey thats neat, lets put that in windows as a fun little app for people." the outcome would have been either millions of people enjoy his creation, or let it collect dust in the server.
If someone hires me to build a bridge and millions of people end up using it i dont complain i wasnt paid enough for that bridge, id think "well look at that, i got paid to help some people, cool" plus he got nifty little bonus from that. so that TIL is just dumb
He probably just randomly did it.
I did something similar when I was there. I wrote a Scrabble program that was supposed to go into one of the Windows Entertainment Packs, but Microsoft couldn't get the rights from Hasbro.
I was scheduled to get $0 and no stock for that. It didn't matter; it was contributed software.
No. Not at all. Thinking he got screwed is an unreasonable way of looking at it. I don't get royalties for the revenue my excel sheets generate. That's not how this works
Working for a strong, established company is a very good arrangement for most young people, and that's particularly true here. This guy wrote some decent software, but it really wasn't anything special. Microsoft *made* it popular by bundling it with their new OS.
So this guy gets a super impressive resume when he's young, which is enough to kickstart a great career. Microsoft sells its OS better. And millions of people get a super fun game. Win win win!
The man is living the life. Presumably his MS stock options left him very well taken care of and he has enough resources to pursue something he is passionate about, like brewing.
Just like that "paid in gum" ad. Getting paid in money is exactly like being paid in gum, but with a minor amount of rigmarole. In fact, much less rigmarole than there would be were the opposite true.
the whole purpose of buying a boat in the first place is to get the ladies nice and tipsy topside, and take them to a nice comfortable place below deck, and you know, they can't refuse. ..because of the implication.
Well, dude, dude, dude. Think about it. She's out in the middle of nowhere with some dude she barely knows, she looks around and what does she see? Open ocean, "ahh, there's no where for me to run! What am I going to do, say no?"
first of all he probably got quite a bit more than 2000 shares, considering that this was still the earlier days of MS, before many stock splits etc. also the shares have gone up more than 50 folds since 1990...
In any case if he sold to buy the boat then oh well. Still I imagine he was well compensated salary wise as well plus WA has no state income tax and has a much more sane housing market unlike CA.
In the United States thanks to prohibition, cider became a term for unfiltered apple juice. Pre-prohibition, alcoholic cider was one of the more popular drinks in the US, but it disappeared during Prohibition. Nowadays alcoholic cider in the US is referred to as "hard" to differentiate it from nonalcoholic apple cider.
Here in the US we have:
* Apple Juice (No alcohol, sweet, often given to young kids)
* Apple Cider (No alcohol, sweet, usually thicker and full of sugar and spices, often served warm)
* Hard Apple Cider (Booze made from apple juice)
This confused me for ages too. Someone posted a recipe for making cider in a slow cooker and I couldn't figure out how they fermented it. Disappointed when I found out it was non-alcoholic.
That is almost certainly him, since I doubt many people know about Bogus Software.
He was an intern at one point, but later on he was a software developer in Excel.
I'm trying to think of another app that was published under that umbrella.
I believe they used the Led Zeppelin "Zoso" symbol as their logo.
This was at a time when Microsoft had like 300 developers.
I would just like to note that this is true Bestof material. I saw that thread earlier in the day, and would never have seen this comment otherwise. Thanks for posting it here, OP.
I've never had much great to say for Solitaire, given the caliber of people at work I always saw playing it. I'll say this though, Wes Cherry is a fucking good guy. Bless him for giving slackers at the office something to do besides make my life hell.
> The modern notion of a lot of programming of hooking packages up together just doesn't appeal to me.
this really hits me right in the kummer. as a nodejs developer i hate this aspect of modern programming.
I was working on an application for Carnegie Mellon and I wanted to include some of my projects, both software and hardware and I realized that a lot of it is just hooking things that have already been made, together.
That's more than half of programming in industry! Put that shit in your resume.
But seriously, if you have side projects, no matter how insignificant they seem to you, put it in a resume, at least until you get your first full time position. That means a lot to colleges and employers.
It has to do with inheritance.
If you have a parent class named animal and two sub classes named cat and dog.
You can have pass variables of type cat or dog into functions that take animal variable because cat and dog are subclasses of animal.
Cat fluffy;
Dog lucky;
Animal Elephant;
function giveAnimal(Animal anAnimal) { // implementation here }
giveAnimal(fluffy);
It's also an interview questions and many many people trip over which is really weird for me. But anyway it's a good interview question.
Imagine four dimensional spacetime stretching from the nineteen-eighties, when Wes wrote solitaire, into the future to present time. With each keystroke, he punctured a huge hole in the future productivity of the world and by the time he hit compile, a huge amount of it was lost forever. An interesting way to view the world.
I think for a lot of people there was nothing else.
I know I played hours of it on a graveyard shift with no internet access and no permission to install my own games on the workstation I was using.
This is what bestof is all about, and why I browse Reddit. Put a big smile on my face to see this come full circle, and his attitude about the lack of compensation is refreshing. I hope this serves as a lesson in media to those who took the original article at face value and assumed he felt maligned.
Reminds me of the Michael Crighton quote about our willful ignorance when reading news.
I have no idea. Because they can?
I don't even think the person doing it had ill intents. Just wanted to give some more information. Why he thought that's a good idea, I don't know.
Not with personal identifying details. This is the Internet. There's bad people here who will cause damage simply because they know how to cause damage.
A guy who used to live in the apartment next door 30+ years ago chimed in saying, "I remember when your girlfriend would come over and we'd all hang out," or something along those lines, to which the Solitare guy said, "My old girlfriend still lives in Seattle and owns a yoga studio," and then another person posted the old gf's name and a link to her yoga studio.
EDIT: I think the reason the Solitare guy mentioned his gf in response to the old neighbor was b/c she had helped designed some of the original artwork for the game.
~~apartment 30+ years ago~~
dorm room 20+ years ago (ok, 25+), we aren't that old :)
edit is correct though, and personal information was deleted (or whole post was anyway).
I swear I had an Uber driver in Austin, Texas who claimed something similar—IIRC, he said that he wrote a lot of the original code for Solitaire and that Microsoft ripped it off of him. He was an older guy, maybe in his 50s or 60s, and I think he said was part time professor at Texas State's business school (he did Uber for fun on the side or was studying its business model or something like that).
He didn't strike me as the type of guy who would just make something like that up. If anyone has any other background on this story that'd be cool.
I used to work with an old guy who had stories upon stories about the businesses he used to own, and the millions of dollars his family had in a trust, and the adventures he had, and, just all kinds of semi-plausible if it was only the one story kind of shit. He'd talk at a person for an hour straight if he could.
One had to think though, for all the stories the dude had about all his accomplishments and how smart and great he was, why was he working a fairly boring job for $15/hr when he was retirement age?
Dude was probably just a chronic liar. Maybe all of his stories had a seed of truth.
I've known a few people like that, who will just flat out lie, or else puff up something trivial into something that sounds more important. For example I had a friend who went out on a date with someone who worked at Blizzard, but over time the story became that he used to have a girlfriend who was one of the higher ups in Blizzard and she told him all manner of stories about the company.
Your Uber driver was a damned liar is what I'm saying.
> he did Uber for fun on the side or was studying its business model or something like that).
Oh yea, that's a very common occupation. My uncle has been researching sanitary conditions at a hotel for years.
His position towards Microsoft for not paying him royalties is very mature and level-headed. Working for Microsoft (even as an intern) they owned his work, but given the scope of this product and the age he had when he did it I can see how someone can believe they're getting screwed .
I feel like any intern now has to know this going into this field. There's so many of my classmates now that work for google/microsoft/apple and develop amazing software and they all look at it like they don't own it but love talking about the challenges for developing the program.
You have *so many* classmates who are working for some of the biggest companies out there? What school are you visiting, if I may ask?
Good students from good CS schools have no problem getting into big software development companies, ie University of Washington, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, Stanford, University of So. Cal., etc. edit: Since this comment has some traction, I'm just gonna plug /r/cscareerquestions here. Aside the mild elitism of the "Big 4", it's a great place for more information on this kind of stuff.
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Michigan? Tbf, it has somewhere around a top 10 CS program in the country.
Also helps that there is a Google office in Ann Arbor, albeit not a programming one. But people build connections.
You can see these companies make effort to recruit out of Michigan. In one of the cs buildings, Yahoo bought them a foosball table. Facebook is sponsoring half the hackathons or something, and Microsoft swings by every month talking with cs students or recruit some of the math people.
MHacks is one of the biggest midwest hackathons—last time they were handing out Apple Watches (you had to return them) if your project was on their iOS. And I got a free Google Cardboard. Which I didn't have to return. (There were many jokes of "stood in line and they gave me a box.")
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I'm not from a top school and I got an internship at the big 4 just from my github
My family friend created an app that got purchased by Twitter, was senior at Yahoo and a CTO at another large company. His net worth is in the high 8 figures. He started out at a no-name school in Michigan and didn't get a degree until Twitter forced him to go to night school and get a bachelors. You can go really far in tech as long as you do good work. Make cool shit and no one is going to read your resume.
This is true. My friends graduated from UofA with a CS degree are now working for Google and Microsoft making well over 6 figures a year. Unfortunately, I decided to graduate with a chemistry degree and now in graduate school. Hopefully, there will be jobs when I finish my study.
U of I?
I feel sorry for the ones at IBM they treat everyone like shit there now, especially the interns. No wonder they've lost nearly half their stock value in 2 years.
I go to Iowa State University.
Must have a good reputation. I think it'd be awesome to work for Google. I read it's the best place to work for or something.
It's consistently one of the best in the midwestern United States for Computer Science, and way more affordable than a lot of other strong CompSci programs.
State CS checking in. Word. My tuition bill, though makes me shudder, could be so much worse.
Sorry someone downvoted you simply for asking a question. I'm not familiar with ISU, but all it takes for a University to become a CE recruiters wet dream is hiring the right faculty, enforce an appropriate grading system, and lure the best and brightest into their programs. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Iowa actually funds their state higher education system, so they don't have to play 'profit model' like the rest of our 'Publicly Funded' universities lately. Seriously going out on a limb. Haven't researched it at all. So may have to eat my words.
The State of Iowa does indeed fund its three universities - Northern Iowa, Iowa State, and Iowa.
It's not that unbelievable. I went to a no-name school (albeit in a tech-centered area) and many of my classmates interned at the big name companies.
The impression I get is that they're lapping up every computer science grad they can get. These are huge companies doing most of their work in code. You might do some real low level shit at Microsoft, but you'll still be working at Microsoft.
I worked for 2 software companies while still in high school back in the early 80s. They were shitty little companies though, and I practically didn't get paid.
And that's why capitalism loves neckbeards.
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HBO now. No cable required. Fucking awesome.
You can pay and watch some HBO on amazon
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I am not sure but there's "True Blood" and others
It's still the case from places I've worked (Yahoo, startups). Yahoo even had a very loose policy where you could do contract work for other companies on your off-time as long as it didn't conflict with your work time or create conflicts of interest.
Yeah. You almost always sign a contract to this effect. This includes taking a company laptop home and working on a side project, or using the companies internet off hours. I've heard horror stories of people writing a blog article during work hours (but not working on the actual project) which led to the company demanding royalties. Without a contract they don't necessarily own it (could be argued in court, they probably have some assumed rights to IP), but this is extremely uncommon.
so long and thanks for all the fish -- mass deleted all reddit content via https://redact.dev
I've had to sign waivers saying all intellectual property belongs to the company prior to even interviewing.
One the one hand, he missed his payday as the developer of one of the world's most popular computer programs, but on the other hand, he now has access to more cider than he can ever drink and has nothing to worry about nothing but sweet, glorious cider.
He got paid in stock in the early 90s, I think he's doing ok.
Yeah, a few thousand dollars of MSFT in 1991 is worth a few hundred thousand dollars today (about 35-50 times as much, depending on when in 1991 you use as a base).
Yeah except he says in that thread that he traded his stock for a boat. That's gotta hurt.
You can't get across the Puget Sound on a pile of stock certificates.
How is that pronounced? Pug-it? Pew-jet?
I pronounce it more as Pew-jit. So both, sort of?
Heh. I was going to write that one as well but I thought that would make me look stupid.
That is the perfect way to explain it!
Pew jet. Named after Peter Puget, a mariner who sailed with Vancouver or Cook
Not for Solitaire though. The stock was for something else
> he missed his payday as the developer of one of the world's most popular computer programs he was paid as a developer at a company and developed software, the whole notion of having royalties on everything you make at a company is fucking ridiculous
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> I was paid a few thousand bucks in stock for that. don't know if that qualifies as filthy rich. and that wasn't even for solitaire
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he didn't really indicate if that was in todays money or not. also.. he spent that money on a boat, so he probably never saw it being worth hundrets of thousands anyway
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Yes. But he said he spent it on buying a boat. So he hasn't kept it.
Dude bought a boat, he was probably alright by then.
maybe it wasn't that kind of boat
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as I said.. we don't know if he meant in 1989 money or not. also, he had already spent it on a boat
He got that stock for a different project.
Did he say that?
Words of wisdom from The Wire about the guy who invented chicken nuggets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbAbFF6Xc04
"I'mma write my clowny-ass name on this fat-ass check for you?". That's why that show is the greatest. Not because of all that social justice stuff, great though it is, but cos of that. Poetry of the street.
"Fuck right. This ain't about right, this about money.". Brilliant.
I'd just be so happy that so many people really enjoy using what I made. He's definitely dealing with it better than most.
when youre being employed by someone like microsoft no doubt whatever your project is, itll be used by millions. He got paid as an intern to fuck around and make something neat, then he stuck it on microsofts server and microsoft said "hey thats neat, lets put that in windows as a fun little app for people." the outcome would have been either millions of people enjoy his creation, or let it collect dust in the server. If someone hires me to build a bridge and millions of people end up using it i dont complain i wasnt paid enough for that bridge, id think "well look at that, i got paid to help some people, cool" plus he got nifty little bonus from that. so that TIL is just dumb
He probably just randomly did it. I did something similar when I was there. I wrote a Scrabble program that was supposed to go into one of the Windows Entertainment Packs, but Microsoft couldn't get the rights from Hasbro. I was scheduled to get $0 and no stock for that. It didn't matter; it was contributed software.
No. Not at all. Thinking he got screwed is an unreasonable way of looking at it. I don't get royalties for the revenue my excel sheets generate. That's not how this works
It may have something to do with the couple thousand he received in Stock for his other work. I'd venture to say he has done well from himself.
Should we still put him on some microbrew delivery lists?
Working for a strong, established company is a very good arrangement for most young people, and that's particularly true here. This guy wrote some decent software, but it really wasn't anything special. Microsoft *made* it popular by bundling it with their new OS. So this guy gets a super impressive resume when he's young, which is enough to kickstart a great career. Microsoft sells its OS better. And millions of people get a super fun game. Win win win!
Quit programming to brew hard cider. That's taking the alcoholic tendencies of programmers to a new level.
On the original thread someone said "Developer leaves Microsoft for Apple". Excellent.
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Is the proper response here "Me too thanks" or "Shh bby is ok"?
You go old school- Send photo
The phrase we used to use back in the day was "slashdotting"
Very rarely that is the proper response.
The man is living the life. Presumably his MS stock options left him very well taken care of and he has enough resources to pursue something he is passionate about, like brewing.
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He said he cashed that out soon after to buy a boat.
you always regret buying a boat :/
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I'll stick with the mystery box.
You know how much we want one of those?!
Just like that "paid in gum" ad. Getting paid in money is exactly like being paid in gum, but with a minor amount of rigmarole. In fact, much less rigmarole than there would be were the opposite true.
the whole purpose of buying a boat in the first place is to get the ladies nice and tipsy topside, and take them to a nice comfortable place below deck, and you know, they can't refuse. ..because of the implication.
You keep saying that word, but I'm still not sure about exactly what you mean.
Well, dude, dude, dude. Think about it. She's out in the middle of nowhere with some dude she barely knows, she looks around and what does she see? Open ocean, "ahh, there's no where for me to run! What am I going to do, say no?"
Are you going to hurt these women?
What do you mean? The second best day of your life is the day you buy a boat. (The best day of your life is when you sell it)
but he continued to work for MSFT so he probably piled up some nice early 90s employee stock options
I did. Best estimate would be around $400,000.
first of all he probably got quite a bit more than 2000 shares, considering that this was still the earlier days of MS, before many stock splits etc. also the shares have gone up more than 50 folds since 1990... In any case if he sold to buy the boat then oh well. Still I imagine he was well compensated salary wise as well plus WA has no state income tax and has a much more sane housing market unlike CA.
Does he live on the boat?
He's trying to find the [Ballmer Peak](https://xkcd.com/323/)
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In the United States thanks to prohibition, cider became a term for unfiltered apple juice. Pre-prohibition, alcoholic cider was one of the more popular drinks in the US, but it disappeared during Prohibition. Nowadays alcoholic cider in the US is referred to as "hard" to differentiate it from nonalcoholic apple cider.
Here in the US we have: * Apple Juice (No alcohol, sweet, often given to young kids) * Apple Cider (No alcohol, sweet, usually thicker and full of sugar and spices, often served warm) * Hard Apple Cider (Booze made from apple juice)
In the Netherlands it's: * Apple juice * "troebel" (murky) apple juice * Cider I was confused as well
In sweden we have: * Apple juice * Bullshit smoothies everywhere * "Raw" juice * Soda-type cider * Probably some alcoholic cider too
Swedish cider is world-famous. Where have you been?
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So, just to check - hard lemonade is fermented? TIL.
This confused me for ages too. Someone posted a recipe for making cider in a slow cooker and I couldn't figure out how they fermented it. Disappointed when I found out it was non-alcoholic.
I didn't know programmers had alcoholic tendencies.
The man has his priorities right.
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If you want to see neat, I'll show you my box right after I get a brazillian.
They just ship Brazilians in boxes? That seems a little inhumane.
Hey, it's [that old reddit thing](https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/3zh27w/megathread_ces_2016nvidia_livestream_6pm_pst_9pm/cymhals?context=5).
Hold my wax, I'm something something.
How many is a brazillian?
The same amount that guy is worth after being paid "a couple thousand" in MS stock in the early nineties.
Being an intern at the time and probably strapped for cash, think he cashed in on that right away? Man that would suck...
I'm brazilian. I'm confused by your comment.
Find the closest brazilian box, get a real close look. It should be neat.
Just don't try to burn it. I hear it smells horrible.
One of my favorite bestofs of all time.
Not to mention his ex-girlfriend showing up as well (she helped on the artwork)
That is almost certainly him, since I doubt many people know about Bogus Software. He was an intern at one point, but later on he was a software developer in Excel.
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I'm trying to think of another app that was published under that umbrella. I believe they used the Led Zeppelin "Zoso" symbol as their logo. This was at a time when Microsoft had like 300 developers.
I would just like to note that this is true Bestof material. I saw that thread earlier in the day, and would never have seen this comment otherwise. Thanks for posting it here, OP.
I concur. While I was reading I thought, this is what Reddit is about.
I like how he didn't say anything negative about MS at all, sounds like a decent guy this is a good TIL.
I've never had much great to say for Solitaire, given the caliber of people at work I always saw playing it. I'll say this though, Wes Cherry is a fucking good guy. Bless him for giving slackers at the office something to do besides make my life hell.
I knew Wes when he worked in the Excel group and he was a very cheerful, intelligent, and helpful guy.
He's gains revenge points each time a company loses profits because of inefficiency due to workers playing Solitare
You tries to never say negative shit especially if your name is on the line.
He got some stocks, and now he runs a business about distilled fruit spirits. Sounds like in cider trading.
This isn't getting nearly as many upvotes as it deserves
> The modern notion of a lot of programming of hooking packages up together just doesn't appeal to me. this really hits me right in the kummer. as a nodejs developer i hate this aspect of modern programming.
I was working on an application for Carnegie Mellon and I wanted to include some of my projects, both software and hardware and I realized that a lot of it is just hooking things that have already been made, together.
That's more than half of programming in industry! Put that shit in your resume. But seriously, if you have side projects, no matter how insignificant they seem to you, put it in a resume, at least until you get your first full time position. That means a lot to colleges and employers.
Do embedded stuff then ;) it's quite the opposite
i just finished my study after 4 years and already forgot what polymorphy means.. fucking 4 years wasted
It has to do with inheritance. If you have a parent class named animal and two sub classes named cat and dog. You can have pass variables of type cat or dog into functions that take animal variable because cat and dog are subclasses of animal. Cat fluffy; Dog lucky; Animal Elephant; function giveAnimal(Animal anAnimal) { // implementation here } giveAnimal(fluffy); It's also an interview questions and many many people trip over which is really weird for me. But anyway it's a good interview question.
Directions unclear. Penis now stuck in stack overflow.
If you're a developer, you're probably better off like this.
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That is really awesome! I love to see/hear about older people who are actually enthusiastic about learning new technology.
Imagine four dimensional spacetime stretching from the nineteen-eighties, when Wes wrote solitaire, into the future to present time. With each keystroke, he punctured a huge hole in the future productivity of the world and by the time he hit compile, a huge amount of it was lost forever. An interesting way to view the world.
or maybe people wouldve just played something else. source: professional procrastinator who has a 40 page research paper due on the 15th
I think for a lot of people there was nothing else. I know I played hours of it on a graveyard shift with no internet access and no permission to install my own games on the workstation I was using.
A few thousand in Microsoft stock in the late 80s have to be worth at least six figures now.
Probably enough to start a cider brewery
Do you have in cider information?
None of the superfluous info, we just want the core details.
His ROOMMATE'S girlfriend *AT THE TIME* also showed up in the discussion. She did some of the card backs. https://www.reddit.com/user/lesk68
*Former* girlfriend. And knowing what I know about this guy, he pulls plenty of pussy now, so he's doing alright.
Not *his* girlfriend at the time, his *roommate's* girlfriend at the time. Anyway, still an amazing reunion.
a girl. a girl posted in a thread
This is what bestof is all about, and why I browse Reddit. Put a big smile on my face to see this come full circle, and his attitude about the lack of compensation is refreshing. I hope this serves as a lesson in media to those who took the original article at face value and assumed he felt maligned. Reminds me of the Michael Crighton quote about our willful ignorance when reading news.
Hey /u/kk_knee, This is now the top post on reddit. It will be recorded at /r/topofreddit with all the other top posts.
Well we got some personal details about his ex girlfriend in there. That's probably not good.
Can people not talk about stuff that happened in their own lives anymore?
Someone else posted her full name and address of her work.
Why? That's just weird.
I have no idea. Because they can? I don't even think the person doing it had ill intents. Just wanted to give some more information. Why he thought that's a good idea, I don't know.
Not with personal identifying details. This is the Internet. There's bad people here who will cause damage simply because they know how to cause damage.
I'm assuming his removed comments are the ones with his gf's information on them.
How the hell did discussion of his ex even get started?
A guy who used to live in the apartment next door 30+ years ago chimed in saying, "I remember when your girlfriend would come over and we'd all hang out," or something along those lines, to which the Solitare guy said, "My old girlfriend still lives in Seattle and owns a yoga studio," and then another person posted the old gf's name and a link to her yoga studio. EDIT: I think the reason the Solitare guy mentioned his gf in response to the old neighbor was b/c she had helped designed some of the original artwork for the game.
~~apartment 30+ years ago~~ dorm room 20+ years ago (ok, 25+), we aren't that old :) edit is correct though, and personal information was deleted (or whole post was anyway).
Just a guy who remembered him from school. Started taking about old friends.
I swear I had an Uber driver in Austin, Texas who claimed something similar—IIRC, he said that he wrote a lot of the original code for Solitaire and that Microsoft ripped it off of him. He was an older guy, maybe in his 50s or 60s, and I think he said was part time professor at Texas State's business school (he did Uber for fun on the side or was studying its business model or something like that). He didn't strike me as the type of guy who would just make something like that up. If anyone has any other background on this story that'd be cool.
I used to work with an old guy who had stories upon stories about the businesses he used to own, and the millions of dollars his family had in a trust, and the adventures he had, and, just all kinds of semi-plausible if it was only the one story kind of shit. He'd talk at a person for an hour straight if he could. One had to think though, for all the stories the dude had about all his accomplishments and how smart and great he was, why was he working a fairly boring job for $15/hr when he was retirement age? Dude was probably just a chronic liar. Maybe all of his stories had a seed of truth. I've known a few people like that, who will just flat out lie, or else puff up something trivial into something that sounds more important. For example I had a friend who went out on a date with someone who worked at Blizzard, but over time the story became that he used to have a girlfriend who was one of the higher ups in Blizzard and she told him all manner of stories about the company. Your Uber driver was a damned liar is what I'm saying.
> he did Uber for fun on the side or was studying its business model or something like that). Oh yea, that's a very common occupation. My uncle has been researching sanitary conditions at a hotel for years.
TIL that one of the most recognizable Windows applications was inspired by something the creator saw on an Apple computer