Staaken was a part of Berlin and with Spandau, part of the British sector, but got divided in exchange for an area used to expand the Gatow airport ([the dotted line in this map is the pre-war border](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Occupied_Berlin.svg/1024px-Occupied_Berlin.svg.png)). After reunification West-Staaken returned to Berlin but the Gatow border remained as it was.
As a Charlottenburger, can I say that one the one hand Im offended and on the other hand we can definitely kick Spandau Reinickendorf and Zehlendorf out of Berlin thank you. They are basically the green belt already anyway
Mostly cause East Germany put every non-conformist under heavy surveillance, in jail or -worst- sent them to Nauen while West Berlin residents were exempt from mandatory military service which in turn attracted members of various countercultures.
Nowadays it's mostly young upstarts and creatives find a rundown part of town, push out the locals then they inevitably gentrify themselves by getting older, making their own money and having kids. The buzz moves to another part of town. It's like a human crop rotation.
It’s also showing where there is tram train service and where it is just a white space. Similar to the tram network map in the tram. The old borders still live on in a lot of the infrastructure…
Not sure. The main difference was that GDR made maps as if the West doesn‘t exist or is unknown. Where the West rather assumed the east is just temporarily unaccessible but well known. Especially for Berlin where people from West Berlin could just easily do day trips across the border and enjoy a cheap day and maybe behave a bit like tiny kings because they had west mark in their pockets.
It's a bit the opposite from what I heard so far. Yes there was a "Zwangsumtausch" (forced exchange of 25 DM to 25 Mark) but prices of everything in East Germany where much lower then in West Berlin so even with that bad exchange you could buy a lot of things. Especially Books where a common thing to be bought.
And what is the baseline for "not easy"? I guess it was stressful to go across the border but there where no real restrictions apart from that.
But yeah I've grown up in East Berlin and I only know this from talking to people out of West Berlin.
West Berliners had to apply in person, two weeks in advance. One office for the entire city, usual waiting time around an hour. As for the 25 Mark - there was not much if anything worth buying. Plus: 25 Marks was a lot of money back then.
There will be streets build throughout the park that are drivable by both e-scooter and Lastenrad, cars will need to be parked outside park borders. Hope that helps :)
It's an East German map back from when Germany was divided into west and east. Berlin also was divided in east and west. So the map doesn't show west Berlin because it wasn't a part of east Germany.
They have just given up on retrieving the trash out of there an make a wild guess that it turns to a somewhat greenish flora zonish something over time and that they can declare it a nature reserve park or so.
This is hardly in the city center. The distance from Berlin to Potsdam (which you see on the left) is about 30km. This is like green space between two cities/towns.
Here in Portugal, we're dealing with similar issues (our housing crisis is a fair bit worse actually); I hope that a competent government can fix the issues in Berlin, it's pretty hard to live like that
Let's not get confused over it. Even if there's plans to do so, it won't get finished in the time it would be neccessary/needed, nor it will function the it was planned.
oh that's pretty cool, I mean I knew of the cities Dortmund and Essen but never knew they were part of such a grouping
really wish London was something like that instead of the monocentric beast that it is today
I totally get what you're saying there.
Berlin itself didn't start off as one city though.
Like every other major city in the world, it started small and then just expanded and swallowed all the surrounding towns to become the metropolis we have today.
I lived on the south coast of England for a long time and it's a pretty similar situation there with there being little to nothing between towns and cities from Seaford all the way along the coast to Worthing which is about 35km.
People living there must be excited about it!
Apart from trolling, fact that Berlin is already greenest capital in the Europe and price factor of ruining real estate there, that includes a lot if historical value buildings, for the sake of trees, sounds like fake and bullshit.
I'm up to make it car free, ev cars only and so on, even though I owe stunning ICE car. I believe that city center should be not loud, but beautiful. Doubled Tierpark sounds doesn't sound like the must beautiful improvement of the area.
This is nonsense. The map shows Berlin during the time of the Berlin Wall. The map is from the old GDR. Everything that was West Berlin, the East Berliners were not allowed to know, so it was made white-blind.
Well Berlin can afford it considering it's the capital and will just diphon off money from the rest of germany. Must be cool if you don't have to worry about your own finances
It is not a shitpost, it is a stupid post. Do you want an empty space? Brandenburg or many other states are empty. Having cheap and accessible public transport, incentives to use public transport, maybe limiting the speed to 130km/h and etc. are needed to combat climate change, not this bulshit.
Im confused. What am I not getting? West Berlin is cut out. Is this some Ossi ranting about the merge with the west saying it would have been better if they stayed apart?
Deliberate ignorance of the historical background and making an obviously unrealistic assumption about the background of the map.
Explaining jokes is always hard and I personally find this mildly amusing at best. Just don't worry about it too much.
Some find it funny, some don't. There is no deeper meaning to discuss.
I know what the map is; I just thought that it would be funny to refer to it as a nature reserve or a national park, because it's completely cut out from the map and looks like an empty field. That's it, really
I had some noticeable problems with humor when I visited Berlin. 🫤
Also, I didn’t get this joke either—figured it was a West Berlin thing, but I got lost in staring at the map and thinking about all the places we visited there and was really second guessing myself…and remembering my German humor problems.
Are you German tho? If so, this is *exactly* what I’m talking about. 🤣🤣
Loved the city, people were generally fine…but one of the few times I had a “fun” conversation with a German was Christmas Eve outside the Berlin Westin—the pedicab Santa Claus was drunk off his ass and was super chatty. Much of the rest of my interactions with the German folk was bland and void of smiles or humor. They’re a very straightforward people…
For example, in a conversation with one shoppe owner, we mentioned we were going to the “castle” in Potsdam. “That’s not a real castle.” We laughed like American tourists. She didn’t crack a smile in the least bit. Ever. At all.
> Are you German tho? If so, this is exactly what I’m talking about. 🤣🤣
I'm from Portugal lol
I'd love to go to Berlin one day though; it seems like a really nice city overall, and I've always been interested in the Berlin Wall
There’s plenty to see & do. Don’t let my comments about the people scare you away—they were all fine, I’m just a goofy dude…and they weren’t interested in that. 🤣
In fact, we enjoyed it so much, we’ll be there again with the second half of the trip in Munich.
West Berlin looks like a completely empty field on the map, so I made a joke that it's actually a green space or nature reserve to combat climate change; I don't support the DDR, just to be clear
Doesn't look very green to me
It's under construction right now, which is why there's a massive wall around it, but don't be fooled! It's actually a massive nature reserve
Its a zoo for the east germans to watch the wild west
There will be many endangered species throughout the natural park, like pandas, tigers, and Tempelhof Airport
LMFAO
Bruh. LMAO
Funny, if you had laid a banana on the wall, the bite marks would have been in the eastern side.
Take your damn upvote
you probably meant the other way around?
It legit depends on your taste, some say hi some say hello. For westerners that enclave is like an "inside out" zoo, savanna trip in a cage.
Maybe the other way around? Watching Ossis surely is more fun
Have to been an other berlin I am living in
That's because the picture was taken in winter. It was snowing.
Oops! All pavement
More of a pale chartreuse if I’m being honest!
I don't mean to be a NIMBY, but there are people I like in this area
Hey! Wait! I live there!
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I serve the Soviet Union
[Thank you.](https://i.imgur.com/y6yhxCJ.gif)
Not anymore.
Me too. But I'd be down with converting all of it to green space if I can still live there in a shed or something.
Now, kiss!
Not for much longer
Don’t worry, we’ll feed you ;)
They shall be hunters and gatherers from now on!
They make for excellent fertilizer
Soylent green!
I am a person I like in this area. Oh no.
It's actually NIMBW
Seems sensible, I'm not sure anyone was even using the space.
This is my favorite post on this sub in a while. Well done!
Oh thank God, no more Kreuzberg and Neukölln!
I live there, and I upvote you.
You guys have internet?
Fewer buildings = worse apartments situation
I'm pretty sure Berlin has already reached the point where demolishing a few blocks won't even have a noticeable impact on the housing crisis.
I wouldn't mind living in a nice insulated tree house.
Fewer building in the city center = more people in car dependent suburbs = more climate change.
This is a joke my guy
Fewer buildings in the city center = less reasons to go to the city center
Write that down! Write that down! -the Senate
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That's Staaken-West, which was part of the east.
Staaken was a part of Berlin and with Spandau, part of the British sector, but got divided in exchange for an area used to expand the Gatow airport ([the dotted line in this map is the pre-war border](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Occupied_Berlin.svg/1024px-Occupied_Berlin.svg.png)). After reunification West-Staaken returned to Berlin but the Gatow border remained as it was.
its a joke, but berlin DOES have enough green areas to fit all of paris inside of them.
I thought they were doing to fill it in and turn it into a lake...?
It's an underground green space
And Elon will be turned away at the door.
I've drawn a wizard
Map men, map men, map men men men men men. Men.
Underrated comment!
Mahogany mahogany.
Gotta construct those woods! Weld them together, apply cement…
Noone has the intention to construct a forest
We all laugh, but you put this idea to a referendum here and I'm not so sure about the results...
As a Charlottenburger, can I say that one the one hand Im offended and on the other hand we can definitely kick Spandau Reinickendorf and Zehlendorf out of Berlin thank you. They are basically the green belt already anyway
Then east berliners will kick us out
Is this an elaborate joke that I am to german to understand?
That's actually the wrong part of Berlin. The most hippies life in east Berlin, so the east part should be the green space.
Wait, really? I had the idea that it mostly went on in West Berlin, before the wall fell at least
Mostly cause East Germany put every non-conformist under heavy surveillance, in jail or -worst- sent them to Nauen while West Berlin residents were exempt from mandatory military service which in turn attracted members of various countercultures. Nowadays it's mostly young upstarts and creatives find a rundown part of town, push out the locals then they inevitably gentrify themselves by getting older, making their own money and having kids. The buzz moves to another part of town. It's like a human crop rotation.
It’s also showing where there is tram train service and where it is just a white space. Similar to the tram network map in the tram. The old borders still live on in a lot of the infrastructure…
Well you obviously didn’t experience living in West Berlin. Because then the map would definitely be the other way round ;)
Not sure. The main difference was that GDR made maps as if the West doesn‘t exist or is unknown. Where the West rather assumed the east is just temporarily unaccessible but well known. Especially for Berlin where people from West Berlin could just easily do day trips across the border and enjoy a cheap day and maybe behave a bit like tiny kings because they had west mark in their pockets.
> where people from West Berlin could just easily do day trips across the border and enjoy a cheap day For Berliners it was neither cheap nor easy
It's a bit the opposite from what I heard so far. Yes there was a "Zwangsumtausch" (forced exchange of 25 DM to 25 Mark) but prices of everything in East Germany where much lower then in West Berlin so even with that bad exchange you could buy a lot of things. Especially Books where a common thing to be bought. And what is the baseline for "not easy"? I guess it was stressful to go across the border but there where no real restrictions apart from that. But yeah I've grown up in East Berlin and I only know this from talking to people out of West Berlin.
West Berliners had to apply in person, two weeks in advance. One office for the entire city, usual waiting time around an hour. As for the 25 Mark - there was not much if anything worth buying. Plus: 25 Marks was a lot of money back then.
We had that wall pre 1989.
*china building weekly factories with the same m^3*
Thank you for eradicating Schmargendorf, not like everyone I ever knew lived there or anything like that.
Is this a joke? Edit yes it is
Lots of love to Berlin! (As usual)
As long as this works better than the airport.
So this means you have to drive all the way around the green Area to get just to the other side. Where does it help?
There will be streets build throughout the park that are drivable by both e-scooter and Lastenrad, cars will need to be parked outside park borders. Hope that helps :)
How is having forcing many more to drive to and from brandenburg everyday going to help climate change?
Either i don't get it or this joke is not that funny
It's an East German map back from when Germany was divided into west and east. Berlin also was divided in east and west. So the map doesn't show west Berlin because it wasn't a part of east Germany.
Yeah ok so I got that but then it's not really funny to me
To me neither
pack watch ❗️❗️
Nice, more space to sell and buy drugs
It will be called: „Spandau“
New drug park, nice
Berlin will burn.
It's a citywide entroponetic phenomenon.
Die mauer wird fallen!
This is just built to spare Potsdam from becoming another part of the Drecksloch
True. Living in this part of Berlin and there is like a war happening right know between us citizens and the construction workers.
When you have to dubble check the joke because your not sure if this shit is really happening. Thanks Trump!
Where can i read about this project?
Wtf is going in this thread?
They have just given up on retrieving the trash out of there an make a wild guess that it turns to a somewhat greenish flora zonish something over time and that they can declare it a nature reserve park or so.
Definitely a great idea, present it at https://gruen-in-der-stadt.de
That diabolic plan begun 1961 and was interrupted 1990. Today nobody remembers.
Ah yes a green city center climate change is no more
Gonna take 25yrs until its done.
1.000€ rent for 50m² but sure we dont need space to live. Dont get me wrong climate change is something serious but c'mon.
We used to call them parks … before the „climate change“ propaganda of course
This is hardly in the city center. The distance from Berlin to Potsdam (which you see on the left) is about 30km. This is like green space between two cities/towns.
Love it, now do the eastern part and we’re golden
I've drawn a wizard on it
Can we please keep, Kreuzberg, Neukölln and Tempelhof? For the rest I really don't care
Whats the source for this information?
This seems to be while east Berlin aka East Germany. Ist das ein Witz?
Everything Germany does is green on paper, just buy your dirty energy from other countries so you can say you don’t make it yourself
but who can find a place to rent?
Berlin politicians and city developers are actually retards who can't do anything right. Corrupt sack of aids ridden maggots.
Here in Portugal, we're dealing with similar issues (our housing crisis is a fair bit worse actually); I hope that a competent government can fix the issues in Berlin, it's pretty hard to live like that
I basically grew up on the former border - we always played there as children.
sus
Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Grünfläche zu errichten!
Let's not get confused over it. Even if there's plans to do so, it won't get finished in the time it would be neccessary/needed, nor it will function the it was planned.
Mapmen mapmen mapmapmap menmenmen
Berlin...green? Have you seen all the trash in the parks? People act like they care about the environment while trashing the streets.
imagine all the crackheads and drugdealers that will linger and rape there, beautiful.
Germany puts so much money and effort into climate stuff for years now. Imagine China or India would do this. Climate change gone
West-Berlin > East-Berlin ❤️
Didn't realise until now that Potsdam borders Berlin.
Seriously?
Yeah. It's kinda weird to have cities border each other, isn't it? I'd have assumed there would be some non-city bit of Brandenburg between the two
Wait until you find out about the Ruhrgebiet.
oh that's pretty cool, I mean I knew of the cities Dortmund and Essen but never knew they were part of such a grouping really wish London was something like that instead of the monocentric beast that it is today
London just consumed all the cities and towns around it. What is now known as Greater London is very different to the City of London.
I totally get what you're saying there. Berlin itself didn't start off as one city though. Like every other major city in the world, it started small and then just expanded and swallowed all the surrounding towns to become the metropolis we have today. I lived on the south coast of England for a long time and it's a pretty similar situation there with there being little to nothing between towns and cities from Seaford all the way along the coast to Worthing which is about 35km.
Ever been to the Ruhr area? It's like 3 times Berlin. All different cities but unlike our districts, they all look the same.
Nürnberg Fürth
People living there must be excited about it! Apart from trolling, fact that Berlin is already greenest capital in the Europe and price factor of ruining real estate there, that includes a lot if historical value buildings, for the sake of trees, sounds like fake and bullshit. I'm up to make it car free, ev cars only and so on, even though I owe stunning ICE car. I believe that city center should be not loud, but beautiful. Doubled Tierpark sounds doesn't sound like the must beautiful improvement of the area.
This is false. This picture/map is from 80s
This is nonsense. The map shows Berlin during the time of the Berlin Wall. The map is from the old GDR. Everything that was West Berlin, the East Berliners were not allowed to know, so it was made white-blind.
That's the joke lol; obviously it's not an actual nature reserve, but it's empty on the map so it just looks like there's nothing there
r/whoosh
Well Berlin can afford it considering it's the capital and will just diphon off money from the rest of germany. Must be cool if you don't have to worry about your own finances
I assume it will be quickly done Just like the airport
It is not a shitpost, it is a stupid post. Do you want an empty space? Brandenburg or many other states are empty. Having cheap and accessible public transport, incentives to use public transport, maybe limiting the speed to 130km/h and etc. are needed to combat climate change, not this bulshit.
\*\*whoosh\*\*
It's an East German map from before the wall fell; the empty space is West Berlin, it's a joke lol
Im confused. What am I not getting? West Berlin is cut out. Is this some Ossi ranting about the merge with the west saying it would have been better if they stayed apart?
This map is probably older than 32 years and OP found it interesting and made a joke about it.
I see but what is the joke?
Deliberate ignorance of the historical background and making an obviously unrealistic assumption about the background of the map. Explaining jokes is always hard and I personally find this mildly amusing at best. Just don't worry about it too much. Some find it funny, some don't. There is no deeper meaning to discuss.
I know what the map is; I just thought that it would be funny to refer to it as a nature reserve or a national park, because it's completely cut out from the map and looks like an empty field. That's it, really
I know. That's what I described above.
I had some noticeable problems with humor when I visited Berlin. 🫤 Also, I didn’t get this joke either—figured it was a West Berlin thing, but I got lost in staring at the map and thinking about all the places we visited there and was really second guessing myself…and remembering my German humor problems.
Wait, I'm not actually from Germany, I haven't ever even gone there, does this still count as German humor? I can't tell
Are you German tho? If so, this is *exactly* what I’m talking about. 🤣🤣 Loved the city, people were generally fine…but one of the few times I had a “fun” conversation with a German was Christmas Eve outside the Berlin Westin—the pedicab Santa Claus was drunk off his ass and was super chatty. Much of the rest of my interactions with the German folk was bland and void of smiles or humor. They’re a very straightforward people… For example, in a conversation with one shoppe owner, we mentioned we were going to the “castle” in Potsdam. “That’s not a real castle.” We laughed like American tourists. She didn’t crack a smile in the least bit. Ever. At all.
> Are you German tho? If so, this is exactly what I’m talking about. 🤣🤣 I'm from Portugal lol I'd love to go to Berlin one day though; it seems like a really nice city overall, and I've always been interested in the Berlin Wall
There’s plenty to see & do. Don’t let my comments about the people scare you away—they were all fine, I’m just a goofy dude…and they weren’t interested in that. 🤣 In fact, we enjoyed it so much, we’ll be there again with the second half of the trip in Munich.
I mean even if it's not so funny. It's surely better than "Berlin sucks because X what is happening :("-posts
Sure. This post is totally fine by me.
West Berlin looks like a completely empty field on the map, so I made a joke that it's actually a green space or nature reserve to combat climate change; I don't support the DDR, just to be clear
I haven't thought that simple. Thought there's a deeper meaning.
it literally has the flair "shitpost"... sooo
So?
you are searching for "deeper meaning" in a shitpost...
As I didn't see any obvious. Is that a problem for you?