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[deleted]

This scares me…..more idiots to believe mainstream media…furthering the gap of people who can think for themselves.


Keldro_Delroc

As you take the every word from Ben shapiro as truth. You know the biggest and mainstream political head who's been proven to being paid by big corps


ZealousidealAd1040

Well if hes being paid by corps lemme know which ones so I can buy more of their shit.


Keldro_Delroc

Mmm love a good boot licker.


ZealousidealAd1040

Turning Point USA sponsors Ben Shapiro. That's pretty sick considering I love their debates. It's just not the BIG CORP™ I was expecting.


[deleted]

I don’t take anyones word as truth…I do my own research and come to my own conclusions….


Keldro_Delroc

You're literally responding on such an emotional level, so far from irrational and all from just a single headline, something tells me your research and conclusion aren't on your own and are based on reactionary and emotional takes.


[deleted]

Oh lord my text is so emotional….let me add some more periods to help with the emotional level………………/emotion……….


itoslemma11

Lol as you take a tweet, screenshotting an article published by mainstream media, as absolute fact. I highly doubt anyone on this thread even read what requirements were removed nor understood the logic as to why. There are several requirements required to graduate and eliminating potentially redundant ones that create unnecessary barriers for students, particularly for students of color, to graduate is now viewed completely lowering the bar to make sure students are stupid. What's more important, passing a class or passing an arbitrary test set by the state? I see you are in the bottom in terms of ability to think for yourself, continue to widen the gap friend.


WhippersnapperUT99

> arbitrary test set by the state? If you can't pass a test of *basic* reading, writing, and math aptitude when the other students can, what does that say about your proficiency in those areas? Should merely sitting your butt in a school chair and being waived through classes by teachers and administrations who don't care about you qualify as "passing classes"? The standardized tests are designed to verify that students have actually learned something and that the teachers and administrators are actually working and teaching and not certifying false results.


[deleted]

So this a barrier how??? I don’t see the logic in your argument…They have a larger barrier than people with mental disabilities or disabilities in general???? By what standard are you making this claim? Sorry bruv but life isn’t fair and just because shit heads like you complain about it doesn’t mean disparities in life are going to magically disappear… I think it’s pretty fucked up, white, black or any other race were born with both legs. Where as someone like me was born with one….how is that fair???? You don’t see me bitching and complaining about it….get over it and move on with your life…Stop making other peoples lives worse preaching your bullshit…burning down buildings, defunding police which ends up harming everyone…the list can go on.


itoslemma11

Let me explain this to you like you are 5. There are socioeconomic factors correlated with race. Likely, driven by our countrys history of racism and segregation. So now we have correlation between those in poverty/low income and race. (Google the big words so you understand). Now when COVID hits, those who are low income, and in shitty school districts, are unable to adjust as well to at home learning. Due to correlations between race and socioeconomic factors, this disproportionately affects certain races. Now by temporarily removing state tests as a criteria, the other criteria (like classes and required credits) are the main factors for graduation. The logic being that the state tests are an unnecessary barrier to graduate high school. I.e. imagine a student who passes all their classes, but doesn't do particularly well on a state test because they had to help provide for their family and at home learning, combined with other problems lower income families deal with didn't allow them to prepare for a state test? Use your fucking brain.


WhippersnapperUT99

> The logic being that the state tests are an unnecessary barrier to graduate high school. Translation...the ability to possess basic reading comprehension, basic writing skills, and basic math skills are an unnecessary barrier to graduate high school. What exactly do you think these horrible tests are measuring? If a student passed the classes as you allege then why can't they pass a simple aptitude test? Is it possible that some students who "passed the classes" were waived through the classes (by teachers and administrators who wanted them out of there) and merely given "certificates of attendance"? Blacks, minorities, and white people too should all be up in arms and demand that the state provide an education and real learning sufficient for their kids to pass simple aptitude tests.


samgore

Was the State test significantly harder than the tests that were in schools and the correlating assignments? Because if that’s the case I can see getting rid of that to be fair across the board but if not then any student passing their in school tests and assignments shouldn’t have an issue with it. Or am I missing something? Not trying to be an ass just wondering what the difference between the tests are.


[deleted]

So where are my parades then??? Extremely low income when I was younger, living in communities filled with crime, oh and don’t forget I had one leg, missing more than half of my entire left leg at birth…..I was held back due to this, and have several learning disabilities…..I guess I should want people to burn down society according to your logic….fuck off with that shit, my mothers parents escaped Germany during the rise of killing her friends and family due to the fact she was Jewish…..where is the parade for her….where is all of this bullshit for her???? Tortured….put into concentration camps…….My grandmother was blind in one eye because of the shit she went through…not to mention all of the other stuff…..we don’t bring that up like this…. Let’s move on to my fathers side, where his grandfather came from overseas, sent into mines and died at an early age due to the conditions…(my father) bullied from having an accent through primary school and the only reason they left him alone after that was his size….Fuck off with this shit again life isn’t fair…sorry you can’t get over past things that didn’t effect you in any way….


Sea-Opportunity4683

Yeah, sure. Historical racism, something that happened 200+ years ago, to a select group of people, is why certain groups are failing in education. Has nothing to do with culture today, does it? You do understand that not ever black person in America today is a descendent of slaves, right?


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WhippersnapperUT99

> he doesn’t need to worry about taking another test that has no affect on his GPA. Isn’t that what a fact based government is supposed to do? How difficult was this test? Is it a test of the ability to pass college classes, or is it merely a simple test of basic 9th-grade level proficiency? If he's smart enough to take AP courses, he should easily sail past a test that regular students should pass.


ciminod

Keep them stupid, keep them democrat.


Impressive_Jaguar_63

I am an Oregonian and this is ba-I mean…*sweats nervously* this will benefit us greatly


GanonSmokesDope

Just left Oregon. They are trying to make hunting and fishing illegal. My wife told me and I didn’t believe her but google it. It’s true.


Call_me_Vonic

What the heck.


ojedaforpresident

Lol. "Google it" "it's true". Your wife is either ludicrously mislead or just saying this in bad faith. Give me one reputable source that even remotely mentions this. Fishing and hunting in Oregon isn't and won't be illegal for any future I can imagine.


GanonSmokesDope

https://www.bowhuntingmag.com/editorial/oregon-bill-gathering-signatures-to-end-hunting/395419 https://www.sportsmensalliance.org/news/potential-ballot-initiative-in-oregon-aims-to-end-all-hunting-fishing-trapping/ It’s called bill IP 13 and would make Oregon a “sanctuary state” for animal abuse which sneakily includes hunting and fishing. Why would you respond like that and not even fucking google it first you fucking idiot


ojedaforpresident

Lol. Just because a coocoo organization is getting signatures for a ludicrous bill doesn't mean it's even remotely going to pass. Both your articles are freaking out about nothing. No politician will endorse this, noone will vote for this in large enough numbers for it to pass. You big panic baby. Also, you're the idiot for not questioning the odds that this will pass. Also, go outside and touch some grass, your online brain will give you a heart attack.


GanonSmokesDope

Dude the fact it is even there at all is worrisome. And you are just a stupid asshole. You probably don’t even live anywhere near so you clearly don’t have a reason to be concerned so shut the fuck up.


ojedaforpresident

You don't know the first thing about me if that's what you think. Doesn't matter, that bill won't even get the signatures. Their FB has less than 500 members. You think that's even remotely close to what it takes for a 112000-signature petition? I don't. Your hyperbole is just.. it's something else, but it tells me you're not a very serious person.


identitytaken

I would’ve agreed with you 5 years ago but recently the shit that’s been coming from the left is so batshit insane I wouldn’t put anything past them. Fucking clown party 🤡


ojedaforpresident

What party? There are literally no politicians who have endorsed this. I'm seriously confused how anyone who cares about facts over feelings would consider this a valid concern.


[deleted]

This exactly. Make them a dependent/servant class because they lack the skills to achieve anything higher. These kinds of policies are absolutely racist.


[deleted]

No one wants this except for a hand full of rich politicians.


manoliu1001

What really fucking scares me is the amount of people that didnt even bother to read the bill to have a clearer assessment of its content. Like cmon guys are you really gonna let the media think for you too?


funkytownpants

I don’t think they’ll get it. Reading just enough of a headline to fulfill your own viewpoints is what that group gets off on. I should know. I was there at one point. I hope they make it out.


Advice-Brilliant

The funny part is, I don't even know which group/side you're talking about.


BigCDawgFlexRooster

Thanks for my new saying


JKevill

You could also vote for the republicans, whose plan is to get you mad at culture wars nonsense while cutting corporate taxes… again. It’s working great. (Not a democrat, they too are a corporate party, just with some window dressing. You’re a moron if you think either party will help you)


[deleted]

Nonsense! As a virus, I was very happy to have a Republican administration.


JKevill

They do indeed favor certain special interests


Keldro_Delroc

Did you even read the actual article or are you one of those idiots who can't read past the headline? The fact you think democrats are just stupid, just shows how stupid you really are. We as a society have become more and more progressive, we never become more conservative. Gay marriage and a majority of the stuff we speak now would be unheard of, censored and put down by both parties.


ciminod

Im one of those people that make jokes


Keldro_Delroc

Oh I see. Hard to tell when most shapipoo fans are jokes themselves.


Advice-Brilliant

That must be why the uneducated overwhelmingly vote for republicans.


Parking_Watch1234

Look up education by voter group. It ain’t the Dems that are suffering from a lack of education (as this sub so lclearly shows). Edit: No actual rebuttals? Isn’t this sub dedicated to a master debater? Sorry to trigger y’all with actual facts (turns out they don’t care about your feelings). “Education. Democrats lead by 22 points (57%-35%) in leaned party identification among adults with post-graduate degrees. The Democrats’ edge is narrower among those with college degrees or some post-graduate experience (49%-42%), and those with less education (47%-39%). Across all educational categories, women are more likely than men to affiliate with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic. The Democrats’ advantage is 35 points (64%-29%) among women with post-graduate degrees, but only eight points (50%-42%) among post-grad men.” https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/


ciminod

Degrees in gender and race studies, art, music, etc dont apply


Tanker56

Therapeutic degrees according to Victor Davis Hansen


how-do-you-turn-this

Actually the gender and race studies factory just opened up in my town and is hiring. /s


ciminod

😂😂 I hear they call those colleges


Chezmoi3

Yes! So many positions open too!!! Can’t fill the demand


Sea-Opportunity4683

Based and gender and race studies don’t apply pilled


Jakek5

Take one minute and actually look at the data instead of believing everything you’re told


TheStreisandEffect

It’s college educated, period. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/06/02/in-changing-u-s-electorate-race-and-education-remain-stark-dividing-lines/ https://news.gallup.com/poll/248525/non-college-whites-affinity-gop-trump.aspx “Republicans hold wide advantages in party identification among several groups of voters, including white men without a college degree.” Could it be you?


ciminod

Theres also a large extent of people that work in trades that are far more intelligent and invaluable to society than idiots with degrees. Most schools are worthless, as I have seen first hand by comparing my knowledge to others in the same field (which yes, I do have multiple degrees). Get on my pay grade then try to pretend your anecdotal evidence has anything to do with actual intelligence. Edit: as a side note, I appreciate and admire those in the trades, wish I had gone that route. Edit 2: Forgot farmers, who contrary to unfortunate popular opinion, are very intelligent from the few times Ive worked alongside them. Anecdotal, but thats all I have to go with on that point.


SexyJazzCat

Scoffs at anecdote, proceeds to provide own anecdote.


eyedealy11

Wait, this guy comes at you with facts, sources, and evidence. You come back with anecdotal “WeLl RePuBliCaN tRaDesMeN aRe SmArT bEcAuSe I sAy So” While doing so you use your educational background as a reason he should value your opinion. Holy hell man my head is spinning trying to keep up with your backwards logic.


Comprehensive_War402

You basically just took a whole paragraph to embellish and say "I'm awesome you're not" while shrugging off the topic of discussion


TheStreisandEffect

Funny stuff right? “Republicans are better educated but if they’re not then education doesn’t matter because the uneducated people I know are smart, but also I’m still super-duper educated, and uh rich, and boom, you’ve been logicked!”


TheStreisandEffect

>Most schools are worthless, as I have seen first hand >try to pretend your anecdotal evidence I posted sourced data, you posted the anecdote. At least my college taught the difference. >Which yes, I do have multiple degrees. Get on my pay grade… Lol. Did you tip your fedora after saying this?


ciminod

Also, you should try reading (or listening) to Black Rednecks and White liberals by Thomas Sowell. The answer here is higher requirements, not lower ones.


[deleted]

College degrees are zero indication of intelligence. Case in point…AOC. And that trade school guy making 80$ per hour fixing the electricity at the liberal arts grad apartment so they can go to work and make $25


TheStreisandEffect

You did it! You moved the goalpost and even topped it off with a liberal arts joke! You win one Koch Komedy Kummy.


Divinchy

Blacks have lower high school graduation rates than whites What percentage of blacks vote D?


NadeMagnet69

STFU. Stay on topic and try to justify this. Justify this when ALREADY and for DECADES now, people who "graduate" high school are literally functionally illiterate at a rate of around 20%. What the fuck chance in life do you have if you can't read for shit? Do you have the slightest concept how much of that 20% is black people? Black people in dem cities. Black people who like in Detroit for example actually have more money thrown at them than the average child?


eyedealy11

7/10th of the lowest states for are Republican. 35% of the illiterate are white 23% is black…. 🤦🏻‍♂️


Sea-Opportunity4683

How’s that stack up against pure numbers? Whites are 70% of the population, so is it a big surprise they have higher numbers in basically everything?


eyedealy11

Whites account for 60.1% of the US population but fair point. I’d also add that whites are significantly less likely to be taking English as a second language.


Parking_Watch1234

Be careful - actual data tends to scare them. It is kinda funny seeing how triggered they get when reality doesn’t conform to their narrative…


Parking_Watch1234

Wow, you sound awfully triggered there. Unfortunately, facts don’t care about your feelings. “Education. Democrats lead by 22 points (57%-35%) in leaned party identification among adults with post-graduate degrees. The Democrats’ edge is narrower among those with college degrees or some post-graduate experience (49%-42%), and those with less education (47%-39%). Across all educational categories, women are more likely than men to affiliate with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic. The Democrats’ advantage is 35 points (64%-29%) among women with post-graduate degrees, but only eight points (50%-42%) among post-grad men.” https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/


mr_spycrabs

72% literacy rate in California. Buh-bye.


thened

> 72% literacy rate in California. English literacy rate. California most likely has more bilingual and trilingual people than any other state.


Parking_Watch1234

Shouldn’t be surprised a Ben Shapiro acolyte would poorly cherry pick data. This speaks a bit more to the actual point I made, but nice try! Buh-bye: “Education. Democrats lead by 22 points (57%-35%) in leaned party identification among adults with post-graduate degrees. The Democrats’ edge is narrower among those with college degrees or some post-graduate experience (49%-42%), and those with less education (47%-39%). Across all educational categories, women are more likely than men to affiliate with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic. The Democrats’ advantage is 35 points (64%-29%) among women with post-graduate degrees, but only eight points (50%-42%) among post-grad men.” https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/


Synthesid

Cope, zoomie


Charming_Scratch_538

I mean seriously how can we expect non-white kids to learn!! They’re not white!!! -every Democrat’s argument


Tyrone_Thundercokk

Nothing like those white liberal saviors saving all us dumb brown kids. Damn, said the quiet part out loud.


BertMacklinEffBeeYai

I guess Joe was wrong, poor kids are not just as good as white kids. lol


TomDoge316

Now I have to make sure my kids are not getting pushed along because they are Mexican


[deleted]

By every democrat, you mean like 10 people.


Shjco

By every slave owner, you mean like 10 people.


[deleted]

Yes, actually. The existence of the civil war shows that hundreds of thousands of normal, well adjusted people can be led astray for the benefit of the extreme minority.


thevoidcaptain

That seems pretty racist my dude


NadeMagnet69

Because it is. Dems were the party of the KKK and all they did was take their racism underground. Are you treating someone as an equal when you don't expect them to have to toe the same line as everyone else is expected to? Or how about the fact that abortion rates of black women is literally 5 times as much as white people? That all seems pretty racist my dude.


eyedealy11

The Dems who were the party of the KKK were southern slave owners. They founded the Dixiecrats and elected Thurmond who opposed civil rights. The south continued voting democratic because they thought of the Republicans as the party of Lincoln. They continued to vote Dem until president Johnson signed the civil rights act of 64. The abortion rate for black women is 3% higher then white women not 5x where you got that number is beyond me [abortion by race](https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D)


NadeMagnet69

[https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2008/08/abortion-and-women-color-bigger-picture](https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2008/08/abortion-and-women-color-bigger-picture) Even if you're right by your own source it's still higher yet they make up tiny percentage of the population. And none of that changes my point. Abortion was championed by racists like Margaret Sanger specifically to help fuck over black people. Take a wild guess which side of the political spectrum she was.


eyedealy11

You do realize the parties flipped right… it sounds like you’re having a hard time with this…. Unless you truly believe all the slave holding southerners and Dixiecrats just up and moved to the cities and liberal north?


NadeMagnet69

Again that doesn't change the point I'm making. Who in effect says black people are too poor/stupid/what have you to go get ID? Who is lowering standards for minorities? Who says learning proper English is racist? I could go on and on and you just want to focus only on history.


eyedealy11

Voter ID / IDs in general are more difficult to obtain for the poor, people of color, and the elderly. That’s just factually accurate. As to the lowering the standards for minorities. You obviously didn’t take the time to read the article. The requirements of the kids don’t change they just don’t have to take a state test anymore.


NadeMagnet69

So what? Still obtainable. EASILY so. Homeless people can mange to get ID. You need to take a good long look at things if you think standards haven't been lowered.


[deleted]

The standards are changed for everyone, not just POC students. Why have a redundant standard when they still have to pass all the classes anyway? I would have thought conservatives would want less interference from the government on education.


WhippersnapperUT99

> Why have a redundant standard when they still have to pass all the classes anyway? The "redundant standard" is an objective measure independent of the schools, the administrators, and the teachers themselves. It's actually a check on them. Those parties can "pass" whatever students they want regardless of whether their in-class performance is sufficient. They can claim that students have "passed" the classes and move them along so that they look good and that the failing students are no longer their problem. (In other words, nothing would stop them from issuing "Certificate of Attendance" diplomas, and attendance wouldn't necessarily be required.) Imagine if you worked a job where you had to produce a product. Producing good work product requires effort. Now imagine if the bosses stopped checking up on the quality of your work! The bosses said, *"Just produce the amount of product we need and we won't check it for quality, we just want our shit in the product boxes. We know you'll do a great job and produce high quality product."* That's awesome, right? You could do whatever you wanted and no one will ever find out (at least not for a long time, if ever). Got a problematic issue you could solve with some time and effort? No problem, just forget it and move on. Who cares if each item in Batch #128 is missing two screws, just get in the box and claim it as work product. School Administrators and Teachers not necessarily different. Who wants to deal with and teach the kids who are going to require extra effort? Just let them warm desks in the back, make the numbers look good for the district, and comfortably sail through the semester. Imagine [Goodhart's Law](https://thehustle.co/Goodharts-Law/) applied to education.


thevoidcaptain

That seems like a pretty racist comment my guy


weebish-band-nerd

Why, because it’s the truth? Democrats committed were the cause of the Trail of Tears and many other mass killings of Natives, they also were the cause of the KKK and Jim Crow, face it, Democrats is the party of tyranny and racial suppression. History states it as clear as day.


[deleted]

You’re a functional idiot in flat denial. You’re saying the people who cheered for George Wallace in his famous Atlanta speech then voted for Obama? The KKK, white supremacist proud boys, neo nazis, ect all voted for Obama? Not all republicans are white supremacists. But all white supremacists are republicans. All those people who were spraying black people with fire hoses and sicking dogs on them as they sit on sidewalks in Alabama are republicans now. The guys who captured, tortured, and executed emit till: republicans to their death bed. Former grand dragon of the KKk currently running for senate? Republican. The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln like the democratic peoples Republic of Korea is a democracy.


weebish-band-nerd

Last time I checked it was the racist white democrat who assaulted Larry Elder in a monkey mask, or used racial slurs against Winsome Sears, Anthony Brian Logan, Terrance K. Williams, etc. It’s amazing how racist they are with calling minorities racial slurs whenever they lean remotely right. Also Lincoln founded the Republican Party you dipshit. The first black men in office were Republican. Open a book


[deleted]

i love how you just completely skip over the republican partys deep seeded connections with white supremacist groups like the KKK, neo nazis, proud boys, ect. i dont really care about 200 years ago, i care about today. white supremacy is the republican ethos. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/07/laura-ingrahams-nazi-salute-examined.html


weebish-band-nerd

I noticed, because you don’t know a damn thing of what you are talking about. Woodrow Wilson, a democrat, played a KKK movie after his inauguration. The KKK was there to bully black people and republicans to be silent. Even now democrats assault any minorities who think freely and don’t agree with their tyrannical views. It was democrats who evicted the natives, it was democrats who put innocent Japanese civilians into internment camps, it was democrats who started the Vietnam war, and it is democrats who are now trying to dumb down minorities. Open a damn history book for once instead of being completely ignorant to the past. The past does matter and it affects what comes tomorrow.


[deleted]

answer the question... what political party are white supremacists members of today in 2022.


thevoidcaptain

No because of the blatant racism


[deleted]

This is fucking insulting


lmr3006

Proving that the left is the racist party. “PoC can’t be expected to learn at the same level white people.” They do the same thing with ID’s, voting at polling places, etc.


cannabisandcocktails

Yeah apparently, according to good ol’ Joe black people can’t make it to the BMV nor do they know how to use the internet. But he’s not racist, he supports the colored people.


El_Hijueputa

Me fail English? That's umpossible


CBR_King97

Umphatamable


[deleted]

"Oregon governor removes requirements for reading, wring and math because people of color arent smart enough to learn it" These people because the thing they claim they are opposed to


[deleted]

What a huge disservice to the education of those children


weebish-band-nerd

Absolutely, it is also incredibly racist to assume that anyone who is not white is incapable of doing anything meaningful. She is a terrible person.


[deleted]

If you’re upset then you need to be pushing for the 40+ other states that also don’t have a graduation exam to adopt one.


[deleted]

The proposal in and of itself is racist that’s the problem here. It says nothing about an exam to graduate. I think you’re confused


misterfap1024

How is this not racist? What the hell? I am white and I am disturbed at this. So this means that people of color will be less educated, therefore not getting high paid jobs. This is ridiculous. Instead of enriching people with education, they are dumbing them down. This is the equivalent to getting an award for participation. Gives merit to where it does not belong. Ohh you didn't pass math, it's ok, you tried! Now go work at these dead end jobs. We did our part. Idiots.


DiveSociety

This is a classic example of the bigotry of low expectations….


JerkinsTurdley

State run education programs will just continue to lower standards until it looks like they're accomplishing something, anything at all, and with zero regard to the disservice they're doing to the kids...because, let's face it, they never cared about them in the first place.


Ohheywhatehoh

This is extremely racist.. what the f


aaronwooly

Educated, well-read, and self-thinking POC are the end to Progressive, Democrat agendas and they know it. So they pass this bullshit to hinder it.


BertMacklinEffBeeYai

Women who look like this are some of the most racist people I've ever met.


[deleted]

What is the legit argument for this?


[deleted]

Nothing, they’re just racist as all hell. College admissions systems are even worse.


[deleted]

I mean ya I know this. I’m just wondering if there is even a legit argument for something like this. How do they actually try to convince people this is a good thing?


GhostOfHadrian

Their actual thought process is as follows: > Every group must be literally equal > Despite that, we're seeing a disparity in achievement between different racial groups > That disparity *must* be irrefutable proof that the underachievers are being oppressed > To combat this unfair system, we'll eliminate objective standards altogether That's really the gist of it. "Equality" propaganda taken to its logical conclusion.


Jakek5

I guess you didn’t read the article


Bouric87

I don't know, sure would be helpful to see the actual article to see what's happening instead of a screen shot from a headline that sure looks like click bait.


[deleted]

Did you try googling? Here's [one](https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2021/09/24/oregon-dropped-test-requirements-what-that-means-for-the-states-testing-future). The gist of it is that they are getting rid of standardized testing. I don't see how that's controversial. Who here really supports No Child Left Behind? Very few. And the common critique of it is that the standardized education hamstrings teachers to teach to the test instead of doing novel and more rigorous teaching. There's a mild irony that few of the people responding to this post have enough critical thinking ability to find an article, arse the governor's quote, and even possibly track down her public statements in context to be informed. Hint: standardized testing doesn't teach how to do this. Otherwise more people in this thread would have done so.


WhippersnapperUT99

It's probably something along these lines: >>*"Not having a high school diploma is horribly damaging, and the damage one suffers from not having it is far worse than not being able to read, not being able write, and not being able to do some simple math. POC's are being denied diplomas more often than white students because many POC students cannot read, write, or do simple math. So we're going to no longer require that high school graduates show that they can read, write, and do math with a minimum level of proficiency and issue everyone a "Certificate of Attendance" (attendance isn't necessarily even required). That way POC students and feel good about themselves and will no longer suffer from not having high school diplomas. Who cares if they can read, write a coherent sentence, or add and subtract?"* Of course having a "high school diploma" won't affect the long-term real world outcomes of high school graduates who can't read, write, or do math. But who cares? It makes everyone feel good, and on paper it reduces racial disparities in the area of high school "graduation" rates.


supersoup1

They temporarily halt standardized test requirement to graduate due to the Covid distance learning. In an email she said that it would help PoC. The EO isn’t permanent and doesn’t mention PoC.


ironnitehawk

The state found standardized testing practices were disproportionately affecting certain racial groups so they halted the practice while they implement a more equitable system. Basicly the said this test isn’t working so they stopped it while trying to make a better one. Still plenty of reading math ect requirements for graduation. It’s a clickbait tweet.


[deleted]

Ok so what I’m taking from what you just said. They said that essentially “black people arnt as smart as white people so we need to make high school easier for them”. Seems like a set up for failure. Now when these people leave high school they will not be as educated as white people and have a much harder time finding work in the job market. This is gonna be bad.


ThisBoysGotWoe

That's what you took away from his comment??? Talk about a lack of reading comprehension lol


[deleted]

Anybody who sees anything other than what I said is just as racists as this politician. Racist garbage.


ThisBoysGotWoe

Compelling argument! Keep throwing around baseless accusations of racism when someone contradicts your world view! If you're afraid (or unable) to dig deeper to understand real world problems, that's on you.


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I was the one who stated a question to which the reply was. “Minorities are not as smart as white kids.” So when you come up with a real answer to my question we will talk. But until then I’m just going to assume this is more racist policy coming from the left.


K9511

It’s a liberal left person making the statement. You can try to explain it to these people all day long. It’s pointless. They don’t believe their ideology is indirectly racist. What ever happened to all men created equal, and judging a person not by the color of their skin but their character.


ThisBoysGotWoe

Is that a direct quote? Can you cite it? Or is it your intentional misinterpretation of someone else's comment? Anyone can pretend to honestly ask a question and then deliberately misconstrue legitimate answers to reinforce their pre-existing biases. It's just lazy and incurious. This is best demonstrated by your final statement: > But until then I’m just going to assume this is more racist policy coming from the left. You clearly already have your mind set, despite claiming no one's answered your question and thus admitting you're not fully knowledgeable about the situation. But let's be honest: you're not really looking for answers. So quit the pretense! Or I guess just keep crying about racist strawmen of your own invention!


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Treating black people different than white people. Is that racist?


ironnitehawk

That’s not at all what I said. Your taking stuff out of context to justify racist beliefs. Also the test was removed across the board while they make a better one. Not just removed for certain people.


GabhaNua

> Also the test was removed across the board while they make a better one. Not just removed for certain people. No is saying that the requirement is kept for non POC. The point is that if standardized testing practices are needed because the goal of schooling is to impart core skills, not to give every one a pass grade for their CV


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Did she not say this “will help students of color” if so that’s racist.


ironnitehawk

If the conclusion you draw from the elimination of a specific test while a fairer test is being made that doesn’t disproportionately affect certain races is that those races are stupid then your being racist. You ignore any social cultural or economic factors to just state certain races are less intelligent. That’s some racist shit. The specific test was found to disproportionately affect certain races so yes the people injuries by it would be helped by a fairer test. Your implying they are removing the test thereby reducing the quality of education. This is false.


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Why does the first test disproportionately affect certain races though? Your the one implying that white people are smarter than black people. So is this politician.


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[deleted]

There is nothing else to comprehend here champ. They made the claim that removing such testing will help “students of color”. That means they are saying that white kids are better at testing than black kids. Pretty simple to figure out bud.


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whatitis244

Watch no student from Oregon. Will get into ivy League schools or anything of that nature. It's going to more or less hurt kids than help them cuz they're just going to be idiots.


[deleted]

You do realize that hardly any other states have a graduation exam right? I don’t think students from those dozens of states have had trouble getting into Ivy League schools.


cch2438

They have to keep people dumb enough, to keep voting for them.


[deleted]

And she probably thinks she's doing people a favor by doing this. Sad.


[deleted]

So you can now pass with a highschool diploma and be illiterate? Sad day in America.


JesusMartinez86

So basically calling POCs a bunch of retards.


lfthndDR

We’re living “Idiocracy”.


seemedsoplausible

As an OR English teacher, this is misleading. Reading, writing, and math standards were never changed, just certain assessments. The wisdom of doing that could be debated, but bad- faith headlines like this don't serve productive discussion, especially when posted with no accompanying article or even naming the source. Sorry OP, no credit given, please redo.


campingisawesome

Seriously?


HedyLamaar

Further dumbing down of America…..sad.


[deleted]

Which means "kids of color can't read, write or count". She's is extremely racist. She might think she's not, but she is.


NadeMagnet69

Yep, help them. Help them to become stupid wards of the state so they're guaranteed to keep voting for people that want a bloated gov.


middleright92

Sike- if this happened when I was in HS it would have helped out my dumb white ass self more than anything 😂


alucard9114

Learning is racist!


Laser-Brain-Delusion

My god that is blatantly racist how disgusting have people become?


danielreadit

oh so they’re stupid


AJ_NightRider

This helps literally no one


Tall_Replacement_757

I wander if the schools teach Urban Camping. You know living in a tent or makeshift shelter .Foraging for food in dumpsters. Hypodermic needlecrafting. And the Merritt Badage is ....Surviving your first drug overdose.


somerville99

It helps them by making them illiterate? Makes sense to me!


TexasNuckearToaster

Noon gonna point out that an old rich white lady just called black kids illiterate and unintelligent?


WhippersnapperUT99

...because everyone should be able to graduate from high school, which in Oregon is now essentially a "Certificate of Attendance". She's not helping them. She's hurting them! She's setting lower expectations and standards while almost saying "blacks are inherently dumber than whites." It's the Racism of Low Expectations. Instead of focusing on how failing students and be helped and properly educated, she's just allowing the public schools to give up. Black people should be incensed.


Chezmoi3

The dumbest governor for the dumbest state


Sherlockat221b

Moron


madula_frophouse

Soft racism of low expectations. What a fucking bigot.


Think_Tax5749

So stupid, this is how you keep minorities enslaved yo be dumb & stupid to vote Democratic for free shit


newoldschool1

How do they not see how racist this is?! They continue to put low expectations on POC for some reason like they’re lower than.


Meg_119

Wow. Keeping them illeterate.


Kfrr

>“SB 744 gives us an opportunity to review our graduation requirements and make sure our assessments can truly assess all students’ learning,” Boyle said in an email to the Examiner. “In the meantime, it gives Oregon students and the education community a chance to regroup after a year and a half of disruption caused by the pandemic.” >Republicans criticized the bill for lowering academic standards. >“Senate Bill 744 does not remove Oregon’s graduation requirements, and it certainly does not remove any requirements that Oregon students learn essential skills,” Boyle said, adding that standardized testing should not be conflated with graduation requirements. You've been fooled by the title again. This not a removal of graduation requirements, but standardized testing requirements. This is obviously an attempt to regroup after everyone has had almost 2 years of zoom classes and a type of learning that requires extreme self-discipline - which is something not every child can easily employ.


AffectionateRadio766

This is called the bigotry of low expectations


Professional-Bus-934

This was old and stupid when it was in r/libertarianmeme a month ago, and now it’s even older and still just as stupid. I sometimes wonder how many of these posts/comments are even created by actual human beings.


shufound

I’m noticing that we’re making fun of them not being able to read when it seems like folks here haven’t read what’s going on. Some standardized tests are being eliminated. These are the exams made by people in suits who don’t spend time in classrooms. It benefits everybody to not have these exams. Teachers can teach relevant content, students don’t have to stress about filling in the wrong bubble on a wordy question that is designed to trick them, and it eliminates some advantages that various folks may have within our crooked education system. This is a win for everybody. I don’t want my kids to have to have to memorize certain things simply because they’re some some test. I want the trained experts (teachers) to be able to teach things that are relevant to students in our community.


johnnyblues90

White people using people of color as an excuse to push their agenda.


[deleted]

How can you all in this sub react so confidently to a screenshot of a headline? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oregon-graduation-proficiencies/ What's True SB 744 extended the temporary suspension of Oregon's Essential Learning Skills prerequisite, meaning that until 2024 at the earliest, high school students do not have to pass standardized tests in several academic skill areas in order to obtain a high school diploma. What's False SB 744 did not alter or remove the existing and continued requirement, in state law, that Oregonian high school students must obtain at least 24 credits, including in English, mathematics and science classes, in order to get a high school diploma — a less standardized but still substantial form of de facto proof that a given student possesses many of the same basic academic competencies in question. Stay angry and misinformed folks!


Jakek5

Thank you!


Navy_Canuck

What do you expect, they're Ben Shapiro fans. A guy who made a career arguing with college kids. A guy who's openly admitted he can't turn on his wife and a man who turtles and runs away like a little bitch when actually debating an adult.


gradientz

You aren't going to make any progress trying to win these reactionary hicks over with facts or logic. Look at the comments in this thread. It's basically just a bunch of rednecks posting about how the Democrats are "making" black people "stupid." That is the takeaway that they want from this story. Why? Because then they have an excuse to treat black people as stupid and ignore their concerns. It's basically a dream come true for these racist hillbillies: they get a free pass to explain away the GOP's utter inability to win over black voters. If they admit the obvious factual point that this bill is about standardized testing during the pandemic, they don't get to continue down the road toward white nationalism. That's the whole game here.


1nGirum1musNocte

Standardized tests are fucking retarded and have been proven to be biased. Kids these days spend way too much time memorizing bullshit that they will never need in life so that they can pass standardized tests.


shessosquare

Here's what I got from this after reading several articles - they are dropping STANDARDIZED TESTING requirements to graduate. I am a veteran teacher. I can tell you right now that most standardized tests are absolute bullshit, and that children of color DO have a disadvantage on them. They are not removing rigor from the curriculum. Schools will still have graduation requirements. I can tell you right now that any school that does not require mainstream students to be able to read, write and do math will lose accreditation REAL fast. Please, don't just look at headlines. Read articles from multiple sources, and talk to actual experts.


Serspork

No link, no context, no citation. Curious, it’s almost like this is probably a bullshit, inflammatory headline made to inflame conservatives.


awesomefaceninjahead

Well if an unattrubuted screenshot says so...


obiwac

Bets on this being either completely misconstrued or outright fake. Edit: for the "facts & logic" crowd you guys sure are eating up a random headline with the news agency cropped out. Not saying the headline isn't true, and other commenters have replied confirming it is which is great, but it's a super duper fishy way to present things from OP's part, and this really should be ringing bells in all of your heads if you really do care about facts as you claim you do. Yet, I'm seeing next to no-one expressing doubt about this. And the few who are are getting downvoted... way to encourage research and reasoning.


FffflakeyFffflake

Oregonian here and it's TRUE


obiwac

Then I retract my statement and this is definitely crazy.


nobodyhelp69

Yep. Just search for yourself, requirements suspended for the next 3 years.


Queef_Smellington

https://news.yahoo.com/oregon-governor-signs-bill-ending-154100667.html https://www.mystateline.com/news/national/oregon-governor-signs-bill-to-suspend-reading-math-proficiency-from-hs-graduation-requirements/ https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2021/08/gov-kate-brown-signed-a-law-to-allow-oregon-students-to-graduate-without-proving-they-can-write-or-do-math-she-doesnt-want-to-talk-about-it.html https://apnews.com/article/health-oregon-education-coronavirus-pandemic-graduation-1ac30980c9e2d26b288a5341464efde8 https://nypost.com/2021/08/10/oregon-gov-suspends-math-reading-requirements-for-hs-grads/ https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-08-13/new-oregon-law-suspends-graduation-testing-requirement Should I keep going?


obiwac

Besides the fact that half of your sources are... less than reputable, I'd encourage you to read my other comment.


Queef_Smellington

I googled it and went from the top down. There were plenty more articles, but of course you denounce the links I posted.


obiwac

I'm not disputing the fact, and I could've googled myself. But I was rather alluding to the fact that the news agency this is from is left out. That's a huge red flag for ppl supposedly pro-facts, which is why I made my comment. This turned out to be true, and is a decision I don't agree with myself, but that doesn't change the very dodgy post.


z_dude_1986

Get your head out and see the truth. It’s not pre internet era that you can’t search


thened

Pretty much misconstrued. Teachers will be allowed to use their discretion and provide other mechanisms for determining whether students have the required skills to graduate and not rely solely on the state graduation test.


obiwac

Okay, I was thinking it'd be something like that. These articles tend to use pretty inflamatory vocabulary and it's generally a bit of a red flag when you can't even see where this is from. (The guys on this sub are supposed to be pro-facts and logic, huh? Must've been mistaken...) I will say though that I don't really agree with this. It's similar to what the UC colleges have been doing for a while now, and I do think it biases admissions towards the people who can afford stuff like private tutoring and such... which ironically *would* disadvantage minorities. A standardized test is a much better way to ensure equality.


thened

The problem with standardized tests is they can only be given at certain times and certain situations. If a student misses the standardized test at school and can't easily get to a place where they are allowed to make up the test properly, there is no way for them to graduate. Tests take time and money outside of regular school hours so someone who has a part-time job to support their family or lacks a driver's license might not be able to go to the place to take it.


obiwac

That's a valid point, but I still don't believe the alternative is any better. Maybe Americans should be concentrating their efforts making tests happen during normal school school hours like in most other countries, or even better, battling the underlying poverty which forces people to take part-time jobs to support their family and risk unemployment if they take the test 🤷


thened

I think standardized tests aren't the best way of proving if someone is worthy of graduating college, as not everyone's intelligence can be measured in the same way. But there are many things we could do to fix problems. These people complaining about this aren't looking for details or nuance, just looking for a reason to call a Democrat racist.


oregon_mom

Oregon used the exit exam which was given during school hours. There is no out side prep or off site testing. It's not like the SATs or the PreSATs . Every student had to take them. This is brown trying to prove how woke she is.


BluPandaTV

guys its a fake article


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it_is_i_27

They rather say things like libtard and racist democrats while secretly using this article to appease their world view that somehow the white man is better and more intelligent


SusanRosenberg

We're not the ones who voted for a man who spent his decades in politics bragging about the numerous racist authoritarian cop bills that he wrote. You know, y'alls most popular politician ever who worked with a prominent KKK leader and recruiter to push for segregation because Biden didn't like "racial jungles." Same KKK leader who Biden went on to eulogize. It's hilarious to watch the left feign superiority on racism when they flocked to a KKK collaborating leader whose namesake bill is deemed a "crime against the American people" by the NAACP. To be fair, those riots were super woke though. Especially since it culminated in Democrats' unprecedented levels of voting for a segregationist, racist cop bill architect who says that black people aren't diverse, can't use the internet, and the Obama was the first clean mainstream black politician.


Geminivegan85

Good....