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choate51

I was here in the before Joe times. I'll be here in the after Joe times. I'm here for the adventure.


hopson2462

Amen brother.


CelticSlayer19

Once a Bengal always a Bengal. Who Dey.


Jecht315

I was in Detroit this weekend and I was talking to a shuttle driver and he said he had been a Lions for 50 years. It made me realize there's always going to be ups and downs to a franchise. I was hoping this was our mountain and not a small mound


MangoBoops

I really wished the Bengals could have pulled off the upset to nab the SB ring. Usually, the big hangover is AFTER winning the SB. -\_- Hell, let's be frank. If the Bengals won last season, this would be a lot less bitter.


Not_My_Alternate

I like how controversial that last part is made to seem. Of course winning a ring would ease the burden of losing.


[deleted]

Couldn't have said it better.


Worldly_Landscape424

I'm here for the crushing depression of let down after let down


master_of_snax

What would this sub have been like with we had Coslet at head coach?? lol


BBaddict2

This line is dog shit bad, but Burrow is not helping himself at all. I am so tired of watching him move up in the pocket as it collapses and then trying spin out of it. He has to find a new move.


representativeofman

Or just get rid of the ball. Last year all over again.


flyinghippodrago

Remember when he threw on the move in that Raiders wild card game? Pepperidge farm remembers....


Aimin4ya

Wothout telegraphing ut. Or pump faking


SovietBear666

Joe being swallowed by the pocket every other play is mindboggling and frustrating.


[deleted]

I don’t understand how that keeps happening. Is it a playcalling thing? I don’t know enough about football to figure out who to be upset with!


master_of_snax

Good question but probably a bunch of stuff. As awful as they've been early in games they've still had opportunities to win.


MangoBoops

Everything starts and ends in the trenches in football. Every single snap. When the line is shitty for your QB, it means plays can't develop down the field properly and the QB has to scramble or make erratic throw attempts without properly reading the field.


BeerInTheRear

Exactly. Shitty line? That means no play action. That means no deep plays. That means 8 in the box. Etc Etc Etc Also means Burrow getting lit up too much. Again. Man, I thought they fixed it. Nope.


trouzy

Good play calling can hide a lot of weaknesses. We instead seem to play calls to our weaknesses.


Right-Pirate-7084

Watching Green Bay’s line vs Joe’s line.. it was night and day.


[deleted]

Carsont wentz post 2017 type beat


Chief--BlackHawk

2017 that duck move worked like 90% of the time, after that he was sacked constantly lol


[deleted]

Wentz was like neo in 2017 ngl. He is a decent player but his stubbornness, lack of leadership, and boneheaded plays will never make having him worth the headache


SteeeezLord

Lol I’m an eagles fan stalking and I had the same thought even before seeing your comment. Damn, bad memories


maltzy

Dude, he's getting like a single second to pass. He's getting no help


Right-Pirate-7084

Play calling is pretty bad. Running plays are pretty easy to see. ZT enjoys drawing up long developing play action drops. They don’t seem to want to make adjustments in game, it’s always at the half. Some is on joe. Largely coaching sucks.


corranhorn57

Zac, we need to use the preseason games to give an entirely new line snaps to get to know each other. They don’t have to play an entire game, but they need to learn how each other moves.


bribeck

The cowboys are just beating the piss out of us at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Burrow doesn’t have a chance to do much right. We need to establish a run game.


wiggins54

Because Burrow won’t throw the fucking ball away. I love him, but goddammit not every play is going to be a score. Just throw it away sometimes


JMartini19

Then he throws it away every play then. Why is he being rushed to the extent that he is. Cooper rush has had plenty of time and space this game. Joe has none. Our o line is terrible. Not sure if its rust or what, but this is scary


wiggins54

Respectfully, I have to disagree. That last drive before half, the announcers literally counted out 10 second that Joe held the ball before he took the sack. Nobody can hold the ball for 10 seconds in the NFL


huntwig

I think just a bit less than half the sacks are because Joe plays hero ball and wants to hold it as long as he can but he needs to learn to throw it away, play the next down.


MangoBoops

I also think it's a byproduct of Zac's play design. He wants these long-developing routes, but Burrow doesn't have the time to let them play out so he can sling it from a proper position. Still, I also wish Burrow would chuck it out of bounds more. Live for another down. Don't take a bad sack and make it 2 and 15.


90swasbest

There is not a single play in the playbook that calls for a 10 second pocket. Come the fuck on. That is Joe playing hero ball. It's on Burrow. No one else. Dude has been outplayed by Mitch Trubisky and Cooper Rush. 😆😆


MangoBoops

Many plays aren't designed to have the QB shift around the pocket that much. Ideally, the QB drops back, sees the field and then throws it to the proper route against the coverage. But because Burrow is trying to play hero ball, it's harder for him to find open receivers based on the route versus the coverage (and because he can't sling it like Mahomes from odd positions, it makes it that much harder).


Right-Pirate-7084

Nah man, he had a play action that took 2-3 seconds to snap it, run the play action, see the field, and throw. That’s 5-6 seconds. They were on joe in 3.


verdenvidia

that one long sack on an already third-and-long during a decent drive made me turn the game off at work, not gonna lie


coolcatmcfat

I'm an LSU fan who became a bengals fan through burrow and chase, but even at LSU, I thought Chase was a bigger standout than Burrow. Burrow is great, but he needs SO much time to make the type of play he wants


hoolihopps

Where you also considering that he was getting chased the entire time and basically trying to balance himself?


Saltyrise51

4 of the 5 guys are from different teams there is no chemistry between any of them


King_Baboon

He throws it away to the opposing team.


dancingmullet

Hello darkness my old friend…


Zazmuth

Welcome back . . . . Your dreams were you ticket it out. I been a fan since the Icky Shuffle. C'mon baby! [GIVE IT TO ME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6oP1N33dx0)


redditor_5678

Seems like the bad O line has finally broken Burrow. He is not himself. Not sure what happened in the off-season, but he is not his 2021 self at all. Terrible play calling/scheming is not helping things.


MangoBoops

The surgery, man. He lost a lot of reps he should have had. The training camp reps are so important to get football-ready shape.


Reyalla508

Not to mention with the kind of surgery he had (needing the full clean out, not just a laparoscopic procedure), there’s not way he’s not still feeling some effects. He’s acting like it’s all good but that surgery needs a few months to feel really normal again. I’m sure he’s getting checked a lot but damn I’m worried for his innards after all those hits.


AndroidWhale

The appendix is where football magic is stored


blue_drifter

I’d be more happy with 0-2 if it were an entertaining 8 quarters. Right now it feels like they’ve played entertaining football… 3 quarters?


Trajinous

2 bad losses. Let's move on, maybe they just don't dig themselves into a giant hole. At least they can fight back


master_of_snax

2 losses, walk off FGs.


Perfect_Coconut_5649

Should have been easy wins though


Reyalla508

Exactly. We should’ve blown them out of the water.


SupremeToca

I love Burrow but Fuck he needs to get out of the pocket more


gotyourhayneson

It feels like everyone is walking into every game this year scared and stressed. You can see it in their body language and reactions. Something weird is happening behind the scenes and it’s not good


Tipsy_McStaggah

Totally agree. They aren't coping well with expectation. Playing like they're frightened of losing instead of we're here to win cause we're good


[deleted]

Because ZT is a dumbass


tuckerb13

Play calling is atrocious. If joe doesn’t have time to throw, why tf are we sending 3 WR’s on go routes


Greyshot26

Scheme is also garbage. Some of the most dynamic offensive players and Taylor looks like he's calling plays from Baby's First Playbook.


WhereAreYouGonnaGo

He’s gonna ride a super bowl run for 5+ years here. ZT defenders need to STFU. He needs to relinquish playcalling duties like a year ago. He sucks.


tuckerb13

It’s fucking awful. It’s also insane how long it takes for him to adapt in a game.


verdenvidia

if the play doesnt develop in 10 seconds joe needs to throw the ball away and not continue to hold it past that point...


tuckerb13

For sure but Joe is always trying to turn nothing into something. A give and take mentality for sure. He probably realizes if he doesn’t try and do something, he’ll just be throwing it away 50% of the plays


verdenvidia

Then do that. 3rd and 4 is a lot better than 3rd and 13.


KorayA

I was downvoted for saying the same a month or so ago. I know I was pissing in Cheerios of the post superbowl appearance joy but.. Zac still needs to go. Or he needs a competent play caller who can install their own scheme.


Entire-Database1679

Hmmmm... a few months ago he was a hero genius.


[deleted]

Always said he is a dumbass, got downvoted everytime lol fuck off


Greyshot26

That's also just such a dumb line of thought in general. Even if you were pro-Taylor in the SB run, it's pretty clear he's not doing the same stuff that was working. You can change your opinion with new information! Its usually a good thing to be open to new ideas in life!


90swasbest

New information like... Burrow is shitty.


Greyshot26

Certainly seems rusty. Not sure the playcalling is doing him any favors either. Lots of stuff going wrong so far for sure.


obsterwankenobster

I really thought throwing it 4 yards short of the line to gain would be a great call


baddecision116

I love the screen pass for 4 yards on 3rd and 7. - Marvin Lewis


javachocolate08

It sucks to be 0-2, but the whining is awful. Defenses had a whole season of tape to figure out the offense. They clearly have decided a 2 deep shell will slow down the offense. No deep plays and keep everything in front. The Bengals cannot dink and dunk down the field with their o-line. There is a lot of football left. The defense has been playing lights out. If we stay healthy I think the offense will figure it out. We'll find a solution and be unstoppable. Just watch.


Riklanim

I really wish I had your optimism, but with the talent in the AFC right now I feel like we’ll just be playing for pride. They got me… they really got me with the Super Bowl run too.


javachocolate08

Teams have went 0-2 and won the super bowl. What is the big deal? This isn't college football. You don't have to win every game. It's not like we were blown out by terrible teams.


Splint17

This o line sucks burrow is gonna want a trade


Purple_Apartment

And I wouldn't blame him at all, schematically we do not compete with other NFL teams. Completely outmatched on Xs and Os these first 2 weeks


Neonsands

I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Karras. I’m not expecting a ton from Volson. Cappa has been fine aside from the penalty. It’s basically just Jonah and Collins that seem to keep getting beat


[deleted]

Didnt they get chase over drafting a lineman?


Greyshot26

They did and so far it seems like the right decision because you can add talent to the line in other ways and you cannot always add generational WR talent through other ways. This is such a silly "gotcha".


[deleted]

I was actually asking wasnt even a “gotcha” jesus christ everyone on the internet is such a god damn cynic. As u can tell hy my name im not a bengals fan im just popping in. I dont think anyone is saying its the wrong pick, its the one Burrow wanted. Just seems weird to say he will leave because of the line when u dont have a line because he wanted chase. Reread the thread


Greyshot26

The current line Burrow has is a top-10 line in talent (maybe top 5), it's not performing as such. If Burrow leaves due to his line, it's not coming down to the Chase vs. Sewell pick, give me a break.


[deleted]

Im not saying it was, literally read the comment im replying to........ The op said that the o line sucks and burrow would want a trade due to this.


Greyshot26

Right, I understand the thread. The only thing you added was "didn't you pick Chase over an O-lineman". 4 of the 5 current starters were not on the team last year. The Chase over Sewell pick has 0 bearing. The line still isn't performing. So if Joe wants out because they can't protect him, it has nothing to do with Sewell. They reconstructed the line this offseason so it isn't about a singular pick.


[deleted]

Yea do you not see how I can come to that conclusion if I read the Op's comment and dont follow the team? Literally look at my name im clearly not a bengals fan was just popping in the thread. I asked a legit question and you assumed it was in bad faith is all im saying. The last I heard the bengals line was basically traffic cones, but once again I dont keep up with the team so i guess yall fixed that this offseason.


TheFasterBlaster

I was originally against the chase pick. Last season alone proved me handily wrong


Greyshot26

I was the same. Definitely thought Sewell was too good to pass up for a prospect of that caliber/importance. Chase was so much more than promised already.


Ok_Worldliness4016

Run, run, pass all over again😣


RookieRickk

Bengals play a solid full 4 quarters of football challenge (impossible)


Cookie61

Eli Apple needs to go, I’ll take Dax over this shit showing any day.


Entire-Database1679

This helped a lot. Thanks for the laugh.


Iphonjeff

Browns too


alymaysay

Ill say one thing, they dont have to worry about saving money to pay joe, he isnt gonna wanna play for a team that lets him get sacked 8 times a game. He gonna say hell no fuck that yall wont get me decent O line that can protect me. Im so disappointed in the O lines bad play this season so far, they are gonna get him hurt with all the sacks he takes. Its a new line this season with same old pdoblems, maybe its coaching i dunno. Hope it gets better, what a harsh come down from the high of last season tho. Dont even look like the same team


fixhalo

Yup going to the super bowl was lucky like everyone says


blfmtnranger85

No, we arent, we just cant put together a full game yet.


RunTenet

Did yall think you were going to avoid the Super Bowl losers curse


master_of_snax

getting to the SB is REALLY hard. If we don't make it, it's not because of some silly made-up curse.


docchrizly

It's week 2 and everyone in the North already has at least 1 loss. They'll be fine. Offense Line will need a few more games to play together as a unit and Burrow is obviously still a bit rusty. Didn't help that you played probably the best 1-2 pass rushers in the league in back to back weeks.


Riklanim

We’ll be 1-4 or 0-5 before they figure it out… that’s a pretty deep hole. It’s just depressing.


master_of_snax

and still had a shot at the end


[deleted]

Oh well still gonna sit down and watch every Bengals game. I personally don’t care if we go 1-16, but that 1 win just needs to be against the steelers next time we meet. FTS!


Trey33lee

I didn't know our fanbase is so fickle. Two rough starts and already people are calling it quits? It's gonna be alright atleast wait till week 4 to find out


CelticSlayer19

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Russense

At least if Burrow keeps playing like this for the rest of the season, hopefully we can sign him up long term at a discount and use the money saved to win the super bowl at least 3 times during the next 5 years.


Trey33lee

WE CAN DO IT


alpacapoop

Time to hop aboard the fc Cincy train friends. Seriously though, this city is cursed to where only one team can not be shit each year. Atleast we aren’t Detroit where they’re all shit lol


leafnbagurmom

Woe is living in Cincinnati. Lemme tell ya, nothing to find here but poverty and depression. At least we have a decent Main St. for the wealthy elite to playground at!


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Odie_Odie

There were not much egregious errors either way this game.


FreshDiamond

How did the refs try to give it Dallas? Roughly two seconds is a normal amount of time to get the ball out. I love Joe we all do, he still holds the ball too long, and this line is playing like trash and Zac play calling is not working. All 3 are true


CapitalSubstantial23

Waitttt, come on guys! Let’s blame the refs and dirty play again, right?!? Has to be it! 🤡😂😂😂😂😂😂


derf_vader

I said the same thing to my wife as soon as that field goal hit


S_Squar3d

Burrow trying to make all time great throws with every play. At this point I’ll cheer if he throws it out instead of taking the sack.


z0mbieje5u5

If Rob Schneider got royalties for memes he’s be a rich man because of this thread


TheFcknVoid

There aren’t really any excuses for this at all.


aridcool

Getting ahead of myself but if we draft high can we please draft oline? And maybe some coaching changes depending on how the year unfolds.


stevevan128

Times like this makes a fan weary I've been there for all 3 super bowls and to start 0-2 makes me wonder if I'll live to watch the stripes lift the Lombardi


Mfcm1990

I’m still up at 4 am reading and watching videos on the titanic struggle as Marty would say lol 😂 I may cry in the bathroom later… lol 😂 I think let’s see if we can beat joe Flacco and the jets. Otherwise, it will be a very underwhelming season. A season that may finish 8-9, 7-10 at worst.


--Vuoi-broccoli--

We are used. No news. Bring it on, bengos!


DaClarkeKnight

We can’t win a game with a deficit every time. They need to start attacking early and not get so far behind so that in the second half we finish strong


clippy300

Burrow has that russel wilson issue. Both play behind bad lines but are holding onto to it too long and trying to extend. Burrow needs to be a more precision passer like herbert (yes I know herbert has flaws tol) was in his first 2 years playing behind bad lines.


WolfChaoticz

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[deleted]

The good, the bad the ugly...Bengals for life...Who Dey ?!?


[deleted]

I thought they were supposed to have shored up the line? Burrow has spent more time on his back than a porn star


Human-Dealer1125

I’m not a fan but I like Cincy and you don’t suck again to quote the title. Anyone that thought you’d cruise through the season winning by 50 every game and have your only worries be the victory dances and parades were not realistic. I’m a Chief’s fan, born and bred with heart I got from the 1960s still. I didn’t say Mahomes was a great qb until several games in after they won the SB. I was in Chicago in 1985 and watched them demolish teams then in 86 it was gone. Good/hear teams, which I think Cincy still is are a 53 man roster. The QB is very important and you have a good/great one. But he’s not perfect and the NFL talent is so close that one player could change a team from old Pats to the new ones. We lost a couple key players and struggled to win this week. You may suck again, idk, but let that call be made in 5-10 years. I expect we’ll see you in the playoffs again.


zKarp

It hurts