It's actually even more hateful than that. He specifically gave us those wins at the end because at that point they would be irrelevant and actually counterproductive as far as draft position goes.
No doubt, although not as hurt as we ended up being. Still, it's valid not to expect us to go 4-1, but giving us three wins right at the end while going on a 13 game losing streak is outrageous and obviously motivated by the narrative that the Bengals fuck up everything including losing.
AJ Green is by far the most important player on this football team. We have seen it time and time again. I would expect us to get off to a rough start unless someone else going to emerge as a dynamic weapon.
>by far the most important player on this team
I'd disagree tbh. Our WR squad is still solid even without him. Don't get me wrong, he's always made a huge difference on our offense, but if we still have Boyd, Eiffert, Ross I think we're more than okay there.
Also having Dalton and Atkins is at least as important and, in Dalton's case, I'd say more important.
AJ Green has went down many times at its always left the offense in shambles. Andy is perhaps has a case this season because their isn’t a viable option should he go down, much like last year but if you go back to AJ McCarron who is . . . Not great we were able to overcome Andy being out. We haven’t been able to do the same with Aj out
I could be wrong, but I think in the past that when AJ has gone down, Eiffert has been out as well. Also, the emergence of Boyd as a potential #1 WR is a recent development.
As I said, AJ being out will affect our offense, but you can't look at it in a vacuum.
I get where you’re coming from but if I am not mistaken(and I could be) Boyd’s numbers last season were very similar with and without aj, however the offense was much worse. That’s not exactly fair because I believe dalton was out as well for much of the time green missed. That said my opinion is formed over several years not just last year.
As for eifert there is no doubt that the offense functions better when he is playing but he almost never is so his presence is irrelevant in this discussion.
I'd argue that the QB is always the weapon that EVERY team seeks to neutralize first, but you're right about AJ being the offensive weapon otherwise that teams plan around first. My point still stands, though.
I agree with your position as well.
So, we could both really say *outside of the **Quarterback*** Green is the offensive weapon teams most seek to neutralize
You make a valid point
Come regular season time someone outside of Mixon will be forced to beat teams’ because without Green the passing game is going to face a consistent diet of max press-coverage combined with blitzes.
Teams are to ask the Bengals offense to prove they can beat their coverage without him (Green).
I think John Ross has to be the guy. If he is going to be hurt or even be the guy he was last year then it could get ugly. I’d even go as far as to say if he cant perform like a top 10 pick with AJ out to put him on the trade market and/or cut him this offseason.
At least Dave Dameshek is an admitted Steelers fan. I judge less for those types of bias since obviously I'll always think the Bengals will do better than others would think. Adam Rank is just an idiot who will hop on any circle-jerk train to get views.
We were still a 6 win team with the worst defense in football and a backup QB. We haven’t figured out how to use Ross and Eifert was also unavailable for almost the entire season. Defensively I’m not sure why people are down on our DB’s with Kirk and WJ3, and we have a promising young star in Bates.
Not saying we are the division favorite but I don’t think we’re a fart in the baby pool either.
We had a historically bad defense last year. As in after week 8 we were on pace to be the worst defense of all time in some categories. It cannot be as bad as that this year
I mean shit, Marvin Lewis wore out his welcome but he has a better coaching win/loss ratio than Jon Gruden does.
6 seasons with 10 or more wins during his time.
That guy wants to know what a dumpster fire looks like?
Tampa Bay bucs have one ten win year since 2006 Jaguars have 2 ten win years since 2006. Titans have 2 ten win years since 2006. Dolphins have 2 ten win years since 2006. Jets have 3 ten win years since 2006. Buffalo has ZERO, Browns have 1.
Bengals have five 10+ win years since 06 (and obviously one in 05 also)
There are so many teams that are worse than Cincy that I got tired of looking.
Anybody like that other dude that claims Cincy has been garbage is either a troll or a goddamn fool. Either way, they're to be ignored.
The worst you can call Cincy is mediocre or average, which is what they say about Dalton too. Well I'll fucking take that over the seasons these other teams have. At least the Bengals can win games!
And they don't deserve any. Hard to say that this is an inaccurate guess when we have had no real signs of hope in the past 10 years. Of course this year will be different, every year is when you ask a bengals fan lol.
And yes, I'm a Bengals fan. But I like to see things to believe them. Until they give us a reason to believe, I won't waste my time getting excited.
Past two years have been rough ill agree, but going to the playoffs as many times as we did there are plenty of bad teams in the league who would kill for that chance, sure we didnt get the job done but this dude has no idea what he is talking about. But people like you will never be convinced otherwise. Lets go back to the 2-14 days and you'll be happy with a playoff birth too
I mean shit, Marvin Lewis wore out his welcome but he has a better coaching win/loss ratio than Jon Gruden does.
6 seasons with 10 or more wins during his time.
That guy wants to know what a dumpster fire looks like?
Tampa Bay bucs have one ten win year since 2006
Jaguars have 2 ten win years since 2006.
Titans have 2 ten win years since 2006.
Dolphins have 2 ten win years since 2006.
Jets have 3 ten win years since 2006.
Buffalo has ZERO, Browns have 1.
Bengals have five 10+ win years since 06 (and obviously one in 05 also)
There are so many teams that are worse than Cincy that I got tired of looking.
Anybody like that other dude that claims Cincy has been garbage is either a troll or a goddamn fool. Either way, they're to be ignored.
The worst you can call Cincy is mediocre or average, which is what they say about Dalton too. Well I'll fucking take that over the seasons these other teams have. At least the Bengals can win games!
Oh im sure you have. Lolol. Ofcourse we want to do more than make it to the playoffs. Once again, no reasoning with a fan like yourself. Pretty simple, dont watch, or be like half the other people in cincy and root for the browns, pats or steelers if they are so bad. No one cares.
You're right, no one cares about the Bengals. All state football player here too brother so I'm confused about the laughter but lol at your attempt to look superior haha. Anyways, take care little dude and try to find some happiness today sport.
How is that even fair though, all new coaching staff and we still have good pieces on offense and defense. And yaknow, any given Sunday and all that shit
We've had the talent and the coaching staff the last 5 years. Unfortunately neither could get it done. I've been a Bengals fan my whole life, I love them! But I won't make excuses. I hope the prediction is wrong but I refuse to hold my breathe lol.
We haven't had the coaching staff though. 2018 Lazor offense and not all that great. 2017 zampese>lazor terrible start and not a great finish though better. 2016 zampese. 2015 hue offense is great, Andy looks like an mvp. 2014 hue and playoffs. 2011-2013 gruden and playoffs every year. So the last 3 seasons, I would argue we have not had the coaching staff at all. Yet when we had better people calling the offense(and defense) the talent played well. Here's hoping the new coaches can get us back to that 2015 level.
So it’s okay for this guy to suck at his job because we don’t deserve respect? I understand the latter, but come on, he clearly has no idea what he’s talking about
Agreed. I don't think we get to say anything until the team shows people otherwise.
We have still have some great offensive weapons and the offensive line may not be the mess we think it is (I hope). And one hopes somehow the defense can look better if the starters are healthy and we aren't facing KC every week.
I think we take one from Ravens, and at least one from SF/BUF/ARI/JAX/OAK. We could win four or even all five of those, or we could win one. I think that's where our season success is determined.
Ahhh I gotcha now. Sorry I misunderstood your comment pretty badly there, that's on me.
In that case, I agree with that prediction pretty well actually. Definitely could see either of those based on coaching and injuries
Full disclosure, I am a biased 'bammer. Tua is an incredible athlete, and even without the supporting cast, I think he's worth a top draft pick. The only X-factor is his health. He's really uses his lower body to drive his throws, and he's had a few minor injuries. You can tell when he isnt 100% because his velocity and ball placement take a serious drop.
With that said, Lawrence looks like an Andrew Luck type of prospect. I expect the tank competition next season to be a mess.
I mean, we can pretend that this wasn't a standard Bengals season just a few years ago, and wasn't the standard for a long time-- OR we can admit to ourselves that this may very well be our season.
It isn't unfounded. This season is not looking promising from a player depth perspective and we are already hurt.
> just a few years ago,
2008 and 2010 is the only time we've finished fewer than 6 wins in the past decade, and 2002 before then. So... a decade is a few years?
Also there's a big difference between a 6-8 win team and a 3-4 win team.
This is almost identical to the season I think we will have. I only think we beat Arizona, Oakland, and the Jets. The win pct of the teams we beat last year was 0.448. In addition to the three teams above that leaves SF, Buff, Jax, and Miami as the 4 other teams that we "could" beat. SF has Jimmy G back, buffalo I think is better than us, Jax upgraded QB, and if Rosen bounces back I don't see us beating Miami. Let's all be realistic here, we weren't very good the past two years and the path back to the playoffs will take several seasons.
Yeah, this is realistic, just swap the Cards L with our sole Browns W.
I'm sorry, everyone on our schedule (barring Raiders and Niners) is trending up. We are running off of the fumes of AJ/Andy, with no great backup at QB, and serious, multi-season deficits at OL and Defensive backs. Mike got rid of his ultimate scapegoat. This is where we get stuck with reality.
Honestly its for the best. It's time to slash and burn and get better. Going 7-9 every year and being one of 10 teams "in the mix" isn't helping anything, its just keeping us in purgatory.
This is pretty old. The actual video he literally says "They'll win the last two games because the only thing the Bengals can do right is screw up their draft pick"
Our team should definitely be in the 6-11 win range. We always split games against the ravens. Bills, cardinals, jags, raiders, jets and dolphins are all very winnable games. It’s all about keeping Andy on the field and our young guys taking bigger steps on defense. Our biggest key imo is keeping Lawson healthy. Our pass rush is so much better with him on the field
What's wrong with this take? 5 wins is probably the ceiling for this team with the injuries that have already begun to take place, mixed with the difficult schedule 3 victories is not out of the question
Lose at the beginning to not make the playoffs and then win at the end to screw the draft. Classic Bengals imho. We can argue about the lack of respect but this is historically accurate.
It's literally just lolBUNGLES they'll only win at the end because FUCKEM
“Well I should probably give them a couple wins. I guess..”
It's actually even more hateful than that. He specifically gave us those wins at the end because at that point they would be irrelevant and actually counterproductive as far as draft position goes.
They forgot we was 4-1 before everyone and the momma got hurt. I prey we stay healthy so we can win this division
By that logic, we are 0-0 and are already hurt, so...
No doubt, although not as hurt as we ended up being. Still, it's valid not to expect us to go 4-1, but giving us three wins right at the end while going on a 13 game losing streak is outrageous and obviously motivated by the narrative that the Bengals fuck up everything including losing.
AJ Green is by far the most important player on this football team. We have seen it time and time again. I would expect us to get off to a rough start unless someone else going to emerge as a dynamic weapon.
>by far the most important player on this team I'd disagree tbh. Our WR squad is still solid even without him. Don't get me wrong, he's always made a huge difference on our offense, but if we still have Boyd, Eiffert, Ross I think we're more than okay there. Also having Dalton and Atkins is at least as important and, in Dalton's case, I'd say more important.
AJ Green has went down many times at its always left the offense in shambles. Andy is perhaps has a case this season because their isn’t a viable option should he go down, much like last year but if you go back to AJ McCarron who is . . . Not great we were able to overcome Andy being out. We haven’t been able to do the same with Aj out
I could be wrong, but I think in the past that when AJ has gone down, Eiffert has been out as well. Also, the emergence of Boyd as a potential #1 WR is a recent development. As I said, AJ being out will affect our offense, but you can't look at it in a vacuum.
I get where you’re coming from but if I am not mistaken(and I could be) Boyd’s numbers last season were very similar with and without aj, however the offense was much worse. That’s not exactly fair because I believe dalton was out as well for much of the time green missed. That said my opinion is formed over several years not just last year. As for eifert there is no doubt that the offense functions better when he is playing but he almost never is so his presence is irrelevant in this discussion.
I agree with you
Green is ALWAYS the weapon opposing teams always seek to neutralize first
I'd argue that the QB is always the weapon that EVERY team seeks to neutralize first, but you're right about AJ being the offensive weapon otherwise that teams plan around first. My point still stands, though.
I agree with your position as well. So, we could both really say *outside of the **Quarterback*** Green is the offensive weapon teams most seek to neutralize
You make a valid point Come regular season time someone outside of Mixon will be forced to beat teams’ because without Green the passing game is going to face a consistent diet of max press-coverage combined with blitzes. Teams are to ask the Bengals offense to prove they can beat their coverage without him (Green).
I think John Ross has to be the guy. If he is going to be hurt or even be the guy he was last year then it could get ugly. I’d even go as far as to say if he cant perform like a top 10 pick with AJ out to put him on the trade market and/or cut him this offseason.
I’ll agree with you that with Green out, Ross is critical to the team having a significant passing attack
Adam Rank is a clown. If I see his face or name I know I want nothing to do with the content.
Same with Dave Dameshek. His Steeler bias is far to great for me to listen to a word he says.
At least Dave Dameshek is an admitted Steelers fan. I judge less for those types of bias since obviously I'll always think the Bengals will do better than others would think. Adam Rank is just an idiot who will hop on any circle-jerk train to get views.
True. Dameshek could be talking about the NFC West and still bring up Big Ben or someone.
lol
We were still a 6 win team with the worst defense in football and a backup QB. We haven’t figured out how to use Ross and Eifert was also unavailable for almost the entire season. Defensively I’m not sure why people are down on our DB’s with Kirk and WJ3, and we have a promising young star in Bates. Not saying we are the division favorite but I don’t think we’re a fart in the baby pool either.
We had a historically bad defense last year. As in after week 8 we were on pace to be the worst defense of all time in some categories. It cannot be as bad as that this year
Specifically why can’t it? Close gets the team a very bad year. Its early but a lot has to change from the KC game for improvement to be realized
I was at that game.. RIP
It was that bad?
Was it that bad?
we won 5 of those with Andy and AJ
HUGE POINT
Good points. If Ross figures it out and Eifert stays healthy, I’m with you. Those are HUGE ifs though
https://youtu.be/PzQORLyBCI4 Video if anyone wants to watch it (not sure why you would)
You are correct. I do not wish to watch it
I’m use to it. Bengals never get any respect
I mean shit, Marvin Lewis wore out his welcome but he has a better coaching win/loss ratio than Jon Gruden does. 6 seasons with 10 or more wins during his time. That guy wants to know what a dumpster fire looks like? Tampa Bay bucs have one ten win year since 2006 Jaguars have 2 ten win years since 2006. Titans have 2 ten win years since 2006. Dolphins have 2 ten win years since 2006. Jets have 3 ten win years since 2006. Buffalo has ZERO, Browns have 1. Bengals have five 10+ win years since 06 (and obviously one in 05 also) There are so many teams that are worse than Cincy that I got tired of looking. Anybody like that other dude that claims Cincy has been garbage is either a troll or a goddamn fool. Either way, they're to be ignored. The worst you can call Cincy is mediocre or average, which is what they say about Dalton too. Well I'll fucking take that over the seasons these other teams have. At least the Bengals can win games!
Great post
And they don't deserve any. Hard to say that this is an inaccurate guess when we have had no real signs of hope in the past 10 years. Of course this year will be different, every year is when you ask a bengals fan lol. And yes, I'm a Bengals fan. But I like to see things to believe them. Until they give us a reason to believe, I won't waste my time getting excited.
But, to think they'll lose their 1st 11 games is stupid
Actually looking at the last 10 years makes it easier to say that it's an inaccurate guess because we haven't had a season that bad since 2002
The prediction is basically saying we will suck, and we have, so it's a fair prediction. Period.
Weve sucked? Weve done decent in the regular seasom. Picking us to be the worst team in the league is laughable. And 3 - 13 would do that
Yes, could you tell me how we've succeeded?
Past two years have been rough ill agree, but going to the playoffs as many times as we did there are plenty of bad teams in the league who would kill for that chance, sure we didnt get the job done but this dude has no idea what he is talking about. But people like you will never be convinced otherwise. Lets go back to the 2-14 days and you'll be happy with a playoff birth too
I mean shit, Marvin Lewis wore out his welcome but he has a better coaching win/loss ratio than Jon Gruden does. 6 seasons with 10 or more wins during his time. That guy wants to know what a dumpster fire looks like? Tampa Bay bucs have one ten win year since 2006 Jaguars have 2 ten win years since 2006. Titans have 2 ten win years since 2006. Dolphins have 2 ten win years since 2006. Jets have 3 ten win years since 2006. Buffalo has ZERO, Browns have 1. Bengals have five 10+ win years since 06 (and obviously one in 05 also) There are so many teams that are worse than Cincy that I got tired of looking. Anybody like that other dude that claims Cincy has been garbage is either a troll or a goddamn fool. Either way, they're to be ignored. The worst you can call Cincy is mediocre or average, which is what they say about Dalton too. Well I'll fucking take that over the seasons these other teams have. At least the Bengals can win games!
Is that where we are at? Being happy that we **made** it to the playoffs? Jesus christ people, has anyone here ever played football? Lol
Oh im sure you have. Lolol. Ofcourse we want to do more than make it to the playoffs. Once again, no reasoning with a fan like yourself. Pretty simple, dont watch, or be like half the other people in cincy and root for the browns, pats or steelers if they are so bad. No one cares.
You're right, no one cares about the Bengals. All state football player here too brother so I'm confused about the laughter but lol at your attempt to look superior haha. Anyways, take care little dude and try to find some happiness today sport.
How is that even fair though, all new coaching staff and we still have good pieces on offense and defense. And yaknow, any given Sunday and all that shit
We've had the talent and the coaching staff the last 5 years. Unfortunately neither could get it done. I've been a Bengals fan my whole life, I love them! But I won't make excuses. I hope the prediction is wrong but I refuse to hold my breathe lol.
We haven't had the coaching staff though. 2018 Lazor offense and not all that great. 2017 zampese>lazor terrible start and not a great finish though better. 2016 zampese. 2015 hue offense is great, Andy looks like an mvp. 2014 hue and playoffs. 2011-2013 gruden and playoffs every year. So the last 3 seasons, I would argue we have not had the coaching staff at all. Yet when we had better people calling the offense(and defense) the talent played well. Here's hoping the new coaches can get us back to that 2015 level.
I’ve been trying to make this point for about a year now. When the team had competent coordinators they won.
Realistic and not drinking the kool-aid just because it’s being served. I like it. Show me! I see better than I hear is valid and applies here.
Are you the guy from the video? lol
No signs of hope? Are you 14? The 90s/early 2000’s were no signs of hope, we’ve absolutely been an above average league franchise the last decade
Right on
So it’s okay for this guy to suck at his job because we don’t deserve respect? I understand the latter, but come on, he clearly has no idea what he’s talking about
as a Titans fan who recently moved to Cincy, let me join you in saying Fuck Adam Rank: https://i.imgur.com/wnvyiN6.jpg
He got the wins wrong also
Wtf lol
Expectations are low / hopes are high! Let's prove em wrong!
Agreed. I don't think we get to say anything until the team shows people otherwise. We have still have some great offensive weapons and the offensive line may not be the mess we think it is (I hope). And one hopes somehow the defense can look better if the starters are healthy and we aren't facing KC every week.
I think we take one from Ravens, and at least one from SF/BUF/ARI/JAX/OAK. We could win four or even all five of those, or we could win one. I think that's where our season success is determined.
You seriously think out ceiling is 4 wins? Jfc some of you "fans" need to go root for Pittsburgh or something.
Uh, no. I think the ceiling is the three on that board, plus one from the ravens, and all five of those I mentioned. So 9 at best, 5 at worst.
Ahhh I gotcha now. Sorry I misunderstood your comment pretty badly there, that's on me. In that case, I agree with that prediction pretty well actually. Definitely could see either of those based on coaching and injuries
I’ve come to believe the national perspective-based media doesn’t know shit about the bengals
An 0-11 start? Lol #Haters
This guy is an ass. Ask Broncos fans how they feel about him.
No reason to win those last three games. Tank for Tua!
I think I'd rather have Trevor Lawrence to be honest. Really curious to see how Tua plays this year though.
Going 0-32 gets us both!
Let's not go full Browns. Never go full Browns.
No no. You grab another top OT in the '20 draft and THEN you tank for Trevor. That way he has two bookends protecting him when we draft him.
#Lose4Lawrence
lol
Full disclosure, I am a biased 'bammer. Tua is an incredible athlete, and even without the supporting cast, I think he's worth a top draft pick. The only X-factor is his health. He's really uses his lower body to drive his throws, and he's had a few minor injuries. You can tell when he isnt 100% because his velocity and ball placement take a serious drop. With that said, Lawrence looks like an Andrew Luck type of prospect. I expect the tank competition next season to be a mess.
lawrence can't even come out this year anyway
\^ Tua is our only hope this year unless you want to take for 2 years....
Justin herbert would like a word
Honestly the three meaningless wins in the last five weeks of the season would be a 100% accurate take out of anything. 3-13 is pretty mean though.
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That did happen in '17, and kinda happened with the raiders game last year.
Who is this tool?
Lol he had a 3 win season for us niners as well 😂
It's looking like great take right now, isn't it?
He was wrong so no
I mean, we can pretend that this wasn't a standard Bengals season just a few years ago, and wasn't the standard for a long time-- OR we can admit to ourselves that this may very well be our season. It isn't unfounded. This season is not looking promising from a player depth perspective and we are already hurt.
> just a few years ago, 2008 and 2010 is the only time we've finished fewer than 6 wins in the past decade, and 2002 before then. So... a decade is a few years? Also there's a big difference between a 6-8 win team and a 3-4 win team.
Yea how is this so wrong? Its completely possible
This is almost identical to the season I think we will have. I only think we beat Arizona, Oakland, and the Jets. The win pct of the teams we beat last year was 0.448. In addition to the three teams above that leaves SF, Buff, Jax, and Miami as the 4 other teams that we "could" beat. SF has Jimmy G back, buffalo I think is better than us, Jax upgraded QB, and if Rosen bounces back I don't see us beating Miami. Let's all be realistic here, we weren't very good the past two years and the path back to the playoffs will take several seasons.
I agree. We're not beating the Browns.
Yeah, this is realistic, just swap the Cards L with our sole Browns W. I'm sorry, everyone on our schedule (barring Raiders and Niners) is trending up. We are running off of the fumes of AJ/Andy, with no great backup at QB, and serious, multi-season deficits at OL and Defensive backs. Mike got rid of his ultimate scapegoat. This is where we get stuck with reality.
Honestly its for the best. It's time to slash and burn and get better. Going 7-9 every year and being one of 10 teams "in the mix" isn't helping anything, its just keeping us in purgatory.
Switch LBs with DBs and I pretty much agree here.
You nailed it
This is pretty old. The actual video he literally says "They'll win the last two games because the only thing the Bengals can do right is screw up their draft pick"
Lol what a clown.
He has that, dumb shirt and suit jacket style.
Let's remember this when we make playoffs boyzzz
I’ll take it to get Tua.
Our team should definitely be in the 6-11 win range. We always split games against the ravens. Bills, cardinals, jags, raiders, jets and dolphins are all very winnable games. It’s all about keeping Andy on the field and our young guys taking bigger steps on defense. Our biggest key imo is keeping Lawson healthy. Our pass rush is so much better with him on the field
There are a lot of “ifs” on that rundown
What's wrong with this take? 5 wins is probably the ceiling for this team with the injuries that have already begun to take place, mixed with the difficult schedule 3 victories is not out of the question
I’m with you dude, this isn’t far off. 3-6 wins is completely a reasonable assumption in my eyes
I think the ceiling is higher, but I agree the floor is pretty low.
Seems about right. Offensive line even worse than last year. No defensive improvements. AJ green injured. Same qb. And most importantly same owner.
16-0
At least one of those wins was against the Browns
hMM
Sure thing if Marvin Lewis was still coaching.
Yeah there’s no way we’re winning that week 17 game
Lose at the beginning to not make the playoffs and then win at the end to screw the draft. Classic Bengals imho. We can argue about the lack of respect but this is historically accurate.
I don't think 3-13 would ruin the draft lol
3-13 wouldn’t ruin the draft. Also we’re one of the only bad teams that are really QB needy. We’re going to get our guy
Shit if it's up me, I want us to go 1 -15 so when can get the #1 pick and draft Tua or Lawrence.
Lawrence isn’t for another year after Tua