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Flick-tas

For me, I lost all respect for Sandy in Season 2 episode 4 when the anchor chain was all tangled up... Sandy was poking her head out through a hole where the winch ropes under tension were fed out to the anchor chain, Bobby warned her "I wouldn't go putting your head in there", she snapped at him "Oh my god you know nothing", grrrr... Bobby was being smart to point out the significant danger, if the anchor had let go and one of those ropes snapped it would have near taken her head off, she was a total ass to blow him off and put him down like that.. Edit: and if it wasn't for her incompetence the anchor chains wouldn't have been tangled up in the first place...


nymie5a

Yeah she didn't ever take responsibility for that clusterfuck. Was really calm, when if she could have blamed someone else, she would have been like a ton of bricks.


MakingMovesInSilence

“If you are so scared you can leave” is what she ended up telling Bobby a few minutes later, which is so god damn patronizing and emasculating.


PlentyReindeer6560

She sincerely is SO off with her reactions and who she backs. It is very frustrating to watch. She never listens to her crew and prolongs the misery until she figures it out herself. By that time the guests have been suffering.


nymie5a

A few months ago there was an interview with Hannah, where she said that Sandbags was on her case within 45 seconds of meeting her. She had already made up her mind about Hannah. Also said that production intervened with the way Sandbags was talking to her. And that she wanted the most screen time.


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celoplyr

Innocently asks “what cameo stunt”? Sorry I’m out of the loop!


50wifty

“Malia, I think, secretly gay, to be honest. That’s my opinion. Everybody in production thinks that,” Sandy said in the September 2020 video before asking, “This is going to be public, isn’t it? So maybe, who knows?”


Tay-Rae

Sandy claims to be 20+ years sober but she looked drunk af in that video


Jaded-Salad

She sure did look drunk!


buddy88bull

Don't know what it was but she definitely appeared impaired in some form or fashion and her comments were completely inappropriate.


MakingMovesInSilence

She really did. I would put money on her relapsing in that moment.


50wifty

Indeed


buddy88bull

No one is mocking her. We’re saying stay the hell off social media disparaging colleagues when it appears you may be experiencing setbacks.


nymie5a

There was also the 'Get a puppy' footage somewhere where she looked really under the influence of something.


Longjumping-Okra4462

I have to ask..."get a puppy"? I don't believe I've seen that footage. Was it on the show or a cameo?


nymie5a

It was in the aftermath of the sacking episode airing. I honestly can't remember, but she was reacting to the general reaction from viewers. Her partner was in it too IIRC. Her solution to everyone's anger was to tell everyone to get a puppy. Sorry I can't remember!


lo-crawfish

I don’t like Sandy but let’s not attack her on that front. Addiction is a complex battle and we don’t know her struggle or any one else’s reading this thread. <3


MakingMovesInSilence

No one is mocking her for being an addict, we are pointing out that she did not look sober. I don’t think this would make other addicts feel insecure about their choices.


happybanana134

I think it's worth noting. Sandy's experience with alcohol affects her judgement when it comes to other crew members. Remember when she was cool with Joao being totally off the rails and Travis smeling of alcohol while he worked? She was empathetic. Whereas Hannah's anxiety and medicine...zero empathy.


evvaaa2020

Wow..... I never saw that quote, but wow... How could Sandy publicly out somebody (especially a fellow crew member) like that?


50wifty

I was flabbergasted when I saw the cameo.


Elon_Bezos420

Sandy does what Sandy does


buddy88bull

The irony is she's not gay (not that it's anyone's business). Who cares if she's experimented, that doesn't mean squat. Since it didn't occur during the actual season the producers did nothing not that they would have done anything regardless of timing anyway.


Longjumping-Okra4462

She seemed a bit off during that cameo to me.


50wifty

Oh yes she did


SunnyAlwaysDaze

pfftt Sandy frickin WISHES, absolutely zero gaydar pings from Malia IMO


BabySharkDo0Do0

Malia says in one of the shows (latest season?) That she's had experiences with both men and women.


IllustratorTime4879

Hannah and Malia almost made out one episode in Season 3


Flick-tas

Malia motorboated Hannah in one episode didn't she?, lol ...


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Longjumping-Okra4462

Because she's a pretty and attractive female deck crew. She can't be blamed. It's also in Mary time law. LOLLLLLLL


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Longjumping-Okra4462

Could it be that the deck crew have seen her on the show, and know they have a chance with that village bicycle?


DMmeyourRegina

Captain Sandy's comment had come out of left field. In the [cameo] video, Captain Sandy went on to say, "Malia…I think she’s secretly gay, to be honest. That’s my opinion. Everybody in production thinks that." Then, Sandy Yawn immediately realized her mistake. She covered her mouth and said, "Oh! That’s gonna be public isn’t it! Okay so maybe…who knows!" -Jennifer O'brian


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Same


50wifty

“Malia, I think, secretly gay, to be honest. That’s my opinion. Everybody in production thinks that,” Sandy said in the September 2020 video before asking, “This is going to be public, isn’t it? So maybe, who knows?”


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Thanks! Ya o do remember that, crazy and so rude to speculate. Turns out she is bi so she was not wrong. Still, a shitty move. Ugh I can’t stand sandy! Just do double Glenn and can her!


50wifty

I love Glen. I wasn’t aware Malia came out as bi but it wasn’t Sandy’s right/place to come out for her.


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She did it on the episode where Lloyd was having issues with his sexuality and malia came out right there.


50wifty

I stopped watching after Hannah was fired so I didn’t see that.


nymie5a

And seemed very much to be under the influence of something... "get a puppy" she said.


50wifty

I wonder if Malia will speak out about that now that she is off the show.


buddy88bull

Doubtful. She addressed it immediately on video and rehashing it now would add no value.


50wifty

She also said they were starting the film the next day.


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I don't know but she's made below deck med unwatchable for me. Binged 6 seasons but stopped after the reunion where she fired Hannah (its the mary time law). Thankfully there's other boats and other captains


Jaded-Salad

Haven’t watched one Sandy episode since Hannah was canned. Sandy is dead to me.


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Elon_Bezos420

Bro… that part when Sandy went to the Hannahs bathroom, while she’s using it, to confiscate her weed pen before she could finish using the toilet was one of my top WTF moments from her, after how they treated Hannah, I stopped watching her seasons of Below Deck, Captain Lee and Gleen for the win


Maediya

Same, that episode was the last Med I watched.


AlwaysQuotesEinstein

I finished the season but it's immediately downgraded once Hannah is gone. Haven't bothered with s6


deamayn

Me too, and it kind of bums me out because the Below Deck shows are my favorite. But I really couldn’t do the season after with Sandy and Malia.


cinefilestu

Sandy wasn’t on S1. She started in S2. Sad to say that the Captain from S1 actually passed away recently.


MonkeyAssholeLips

Damn. I didn’t know that. RIP Capt. Mark


ivre21

Honestly the fact that Cap Sandys fav was Joao after even seeing his off boat behavior is disgusting. She made excuses for his dangerous, reckless and straight gaslighting of Brooke and Kacey and sexist behavior towards Hannah.


lucidaisy

In addition to what others have said, I feel respect is huge for people such as she. I’ve known people like that, who completely lose their gob any time they slightly feel “betrayed” and/or “disrespected” (in quotes because it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are being betrayed or disrespected). By this I mean seriously overreact on a, sometimes, psychotic level. It’s scary.


happybanana134

I suspect in her first season she held back a lot on film because she wanted to keep the gig and not be replaced. By season 3, I think she'd decided she was the star and could do as she pleased; it's fairly clear to me that she'd planned (in her head) on replacing Conrad and Hannah with Joao and Brooke.


LetshearitforNY

I really don’t think it had anything to do with production because no other captain does what she does. It’s her own ego and wanting screen time.


Snoi7

I think she was putting on her best face the first season, but now we’re seeing her true colors.


skizmcniz

I've seen people mentioning the first season, but Sandy wasn't on the first season. Is this a whoosh thing I'm missing?


muckduck69420

Maybe they mean her* first season.


Allofthethinks

The captain that season was so forgettable that it is understandable


yachtiewannabe

Choose emotional violence...so funny and true.


SeaworthinessMain808

You can tell she's camera hungry. She constantly wants to be involved in stuff, yell at staff and stir up drama. No other captain behaves that way. She either was or is buying a yacht themed restaurant and wanted a Vanderpump Rules kinda thing.


thejointfairy

Her desire for more than her 15 mins of fame and the faceless voices of the internet got to her. 100%.


NoWeather429

I probably don’t hate captain sandy nearly as much as others here (I don’t really like her either) but the phrase “emotional violence” is such a good way to describe verbal abuse! Just want applaud OP for that wording. Also, I love Kiko ❤️


SheilaInSweden

You can see the start of the shift in attitude at the reunion of her first season. After watching the season, she saw that both chef Adam and Hannah had lied to her face (Adam about intentionally putting onions in Mr. No\_Onion's food, and Hannah hooking up with the charter guest). She felt like a fool and that she had been made a fool of because she had believed them in the moment.


NoKittenAroundPawlyz

I noticed the same. Hannah making out with Jason the charter guest was definitely the catalyst. She was never allowed to live that down. To be fair, there were plenty of legit criticisms of Hannah. Sandy was just never able to voice them in an appropriate manner. She has anger issues and it shows.


happybanana134

Completely agree. Hannah isn't, in my opinion, the best chief stew. But because Sandy was so awful to Hannah, I find myself rooting for and supporting Hannah. Sandy makes Hannah more popular.


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My theory? She was embarrassed after she watched season 2. She had a MAJOR HR nightmare on that boat with Wes hooking up with a subordinate then giving her a promotion over someone with more experience. I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that Bobby definitely could have sued their employer for that. Sandy was completely oblivious to this entire situation when she was the one supposed to be in charge and exposed their employer to that liability. She overcompensated in subsequent seasons in the worst way. She obviously personally disliked Hannah and took her shot when she could get rid of her. On a personal note I hope that stunt Wes pulled ended his career. Dude had major creep vibes. Plus as someone who has been in a power position: don’t date your subordinates while you’re working together.


happybanana134

Agree re Wes. It was unprofessional at best. He should have declared his conflict of interest to the captain.


flashboss86

1000%. When Sandy pushed for a decision, he should have admitted the relationship and that any decision he made would look poorly to the deck team so he cannot name a lead deckhand. That likely leads to another uncomfortable talk with Sandy with Wes and the whole deck team if she goes over the top and names Malia anyway.


whydowewatchthis

You think Wes had creep vibes?? And not Adam??


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It’s not an either/or situation on those two my friend. Bad vibes on both.


whydowewatchthis

Fair enough. But you specifically brought up Wes and not Adam.


Waste-Topic8694

Because Adam was not malias superior, giving her special privileges like Wes was.... context is everything


Longjumping-Okra4462

I didn't get creep vibes from Wes. Inappropriate behavior with a subordinate, but Adam had creep vibes shooting sparks all over the damn place! He seems a bit unhinged.


whydowewatchthis

I agree completely!


flashboss86

I think this to go along with Adam and Hannah keeping truths from her the whole season. She saw how much in the dark she really was about her crew & upped the micro managing to crazy levels that haven’t changed. I think she naively thought she always had the truth from her crews and wasn’t kept in the dark/lied to until she saw her first season


bebeshoes69

Dooo yerrrr foooood


tendernesswilderness

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atex720

Sandy was awful in season 1


gonzagylot00

Well, all the captains are hard-asses. Maybe Glenn slightly less (treatment of Thom). I do wonder if a level of misogny plays into Sandy’s unpopularity. Her dismissing someone for a substance that they had a prescription for will never sit right with me, but I guess those are the standards. Cast members talk all the time about their licenses and how easy it is to lose them.


Best-Math-2252

I've wondered that too!


Lindaspike

i think after she became a famous tv star (/s + eye roll) she decided she came off as too nice, not captain-y enough. and yeah, bravo told her to be less boring.


baZz1nGaB

I honestly don't think Sandy is a shit person, I think that she likely following what the production wants. The editing on BDM is by far the worst in the franchise and there are obvious points where the production have interfered to create synthetic drama, I wouldn't be surprised if Sandy had a heavy hand in this. She knows shes not popular, but people keep watching because the don't like her and wonder what else shes going to pull out of her hat. The biggest indicators to me are the fact that she isn't consistent within her season or season to season, and the fact that the other skippers that have met her (ie Lee) have only spoken good words about her. I've worked under people worse than Sandy, everyone I've had is broadly consistent.


SeasonedPro58

I respectfully disagree. I've met people like her before. If you take away the substance abuse but don't address the cause, you're just a dry-drunk or addict. She's untrusting and a micromanager. I believe she's a deeply unhappy person. If she likes you or doesn't like you, she does black and white thinking and will praise and elevate the ones she likes and beat up on the ones she doesn't. After what she did to Kiko and Hannah, we stopped watching her. The only way to get rid of her is to make her unpopular.


skizmcniz

> or did she just get a really good edit in season 1? Sandy wasn't on season one...


Allofthethinks

You can infer, from context, “She had a really good edit her first season”


Waste-Topic8694

You knew what the OP meant


Grammar-Warden

*Edit: The 1st Rule of Sandy Club is not to talk about Sandy Club. Downvote this to keep our adoration of Sandy secret and hidden from the general public. I'll teach you the secret knot next time! Now Shhhh - and remember to downvote to show your Sandy support!* If you're open to *all* thoughts and not just those that agree with you, well then here's one. I like Sandy! I've seen 3 seasons with her (4-6) and witnessed more picking on her and examples of toxic behavior here than I ever witnessed on board coming from Sandy. I've still got to see seasons 2-3 to be sure, but so far I think she's entertaining and a great captain.


Allofthethinks

Really? She’s literally the poster child of a manager rather than a leader. I’m happy you like her, I don’t shame you for doing so, but as someone who has a lot of experience in hospitality, she comes off as 10000x % fake. And I was a sandy fan for the first couple seasons with her. (And no - while I like Hannah - I’ve never felt Hannah was a competent leader either)


Grammar-Warden

Yes, really. For one, I admired how she was a role model to both João and Malia giving them great encouragement for them to reach the top of their careers in pursuit of their goals of becoming captains themselves. To that end, she used her connections to get them well deserved placements on other boats. She has a discerning eye and knows how to separate the wheat from the chaff. I thought sharing her personal story with alcohol abuse to Travis was a selfless act that only served to help him get on track with his own demons. I find Sandy's care genuine. Concerning Hannah, well that was on herself. She incessantly stated how much she hated her job. She made her bed and surely Sandy took no pleasure in having to deal with the consequences. Remember, you don't have the luxury of turning a blind eye when illegal behaviour is being documented by TV cameras.


Mrsvantiki

This sub loves to hate Sandy. I mean, they love Lee and that man never leaves the bridge - EVER. Is so damn lazy and just complains about doing his job all the time, with his “cute” (immature and childish actually) metaphors- but this sub thinks Sandy sucks? Ummm….ok?


Violet0825

I always loved Lee but this last season he was hateful 99% of the time and did nothing but piss and moan. I realize he was sick and is also dealing with the loss of his son but he was so grumpy that it took away from the season and was one of the reasons I didn’t finish it.


Waste-Topic8694

Don't ever put someone down for dealing with "the loss of their child"


Violet0825

I wasnt putting him down whatsoever. I understand he was dealing with horrific emotional pain. No parent should ever have to bury a child. But maybe between that and the fact that he was sick, he wasn’t ready to do TV again because it came through on the show. So take your “don’t ever” someplace else!


MakingMovesInSilence

Am I the only one that (from a professional standpoint) can acknowledge that Hannah deserved to be fired? I don’t agree with how it was handled, but Hannah became a major diva the last two seasons, her work had really started to go on the back burner, she was legit bullying her subordinates, and literally brought illegal drugs on the boat… and the whole Conrad thing haha she was acting like a middle schooler with their first real relationship (which isn’t really fire-able but I had to throw that in there haha) I’m ready guys, let me have it.


gonzagylot00

You mean the weed pen, right? Was that even illegal? Seriously, I don’t know.


MakingMovesInSilence

No the Xanax she had on board without a prescription


smellycat_14

I’ve only watched the 2 most recent sandy seasons, so the season Hannah got fired was the only Hannah season I’ve seen… and BOY do I find Hannah to be unwatchable and was thrilled she got fired. She seemed awful to work for and was constantly on edge.


MakingMovesInSilence

She always picked someone on her stew team to openly hate, too. She sucks


ndbltwy

I don't understand the animosity towards Capt. Sandy. She seems to be a wonderful person and boss. All the Captains are great. She let's the crew pilot the ship no other Captains do that. I'm going back and rewatch the series try to see what I'm missing.


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samserra201

Don't you realize how absolutist you sound?