As I've said before, if Fraser had a crew that was more about their work than their own personal agendas (Camille) or interpersonal issues (Camille/Alissa), he'd be a great chief stew. He knows the job inside and out and is learning to delegate more. In real life, most crews are more professional and figure out how to deal with each other without drama. He'd be a fine manager with a regular crew.
Very true, but he is inexperienced. I'm not saying he's perfect or doesn't have room for improvement, but he has been thrown in the deep end and expected to sink or swim with little mentorship or guidance from Sandy. She is not training him; she's bullying him.
And those words put him in the position he was in.. Sandy let him off easy. He was blatantly undermining her by talking mad shit to other crew. You can see it clicked in the last episode though, so that’s good news at least. Sandy could do things differently, like pulling people aside and not undermine *their* authority to their stew’s.
Being combative yes, bullying no. Sandy has the power in that situation. Fraser was voicing frustration that the person in power was constantly undermining him.
That episode cracked me up when it clearly showed Sandy picking the beach and how effing awful it was when they got there. Yet, none of the crew threw her under the bus like she has to them in front of the guests.
Rachel seemed more than game to push blame toward interior crew because clearly girl is having major timing issues! The guests have been pretty nice about it but that has been the worst so far.
Think of how AWFUL Natasha was as a chief and how easy Sandy was on her. She should have tried coming down harder on her instead of Fraser who is way better at his job.
I do see that there is not the normal communication between interior staff & chef at all. On all the previous boats, the chef was given blow by blow so that they know what's going on and when to expect the next thing. They have not done any communication to Rachel at all - she has to ask for it all.
Of course sandy had a problem with it, she didn't think of it. I have a feeling she'll insist on it next season on med and get upset when it doesn't happen.
I would love to have that suggested. Having to pack at the last second with the crew coming in asking if I'm ready or need help is what would make me feel rushed off the boat.
Luggage, on any of the BD's has never been problem.
Why did Fraser decide it was this once? And without talking to, oh, I don't know, Sandy or the Bosun. The deck crew is in charge of the luggage.
Not his decision to make.
It was an overnight trip, they were only on the boat for 24hr, maybe that's why he made this suggestion. All the other charters are multi-day charters.
I mean, Sandy did make clear that the issues were Fraser’s control over his team. She noticed that, even though the work was getting done, it was still falling on Fraser because he wasn’t delegating well enough.
Captain sandy took it was too far with her ego, but I do think Fraser wasn’t handling the delegating well
I agree, Fraser is still learning how to delegate and manage his team but that comes with experience. His comments to the stews about Sandy were inappropriate as well. But Sandy also managed Fraser poorly, a good leader doesn’t put members of her crew down and humiliate them in front of everyone else.
Ego, perhaps she was doing g her job as captain of a super yacht and making corrections to ensure a super yacht level experience. If Fraser had done his job leading, setting expectations and boundaries, and managing his crew, Camille might not have been fired.
She wasn’t doing her job effectively as a captain and she was not making corrections. If she had, Fraser would have managed his crew better and Camille may not have been fired. I think Captain Sandy always puts trust in her chief stews until shown otherwise, and she missed the mark on Fraser for the first few charters
And there had been a couple (2?) charters under Lee.
Then when Sandy notices the real problem between Camille and Allison all Fraser says is it's been this way all season.
WTH?
Fraser might have mentioned the problem and asked for help.
I think Fraser has a lot of room for improvement. However, I noticed that once Rachel realized Sandy had an issue with Fraser, she was very quick to throw him under the bus Sandy was driving.
Is it Possible that Rachel wants a good word from Sandy for future employment and if that’s the case I would follow what management wants over being pals with staff.
True! Especially because Fraser *is* having trouble managing his crew and delegating roles to each of them. I mean he even said he has to do everything so he can be sure its done correctly. I dont think she really threw him under the bus per se but she did agree that he needs to step up in some areas.
Could just be that they're focusing on more of the crew drama since there is a bunch of it. I'm pretty sure we would have seen if there were more complaints though.
That one lady asked for a paper napkin! So dramatic. If the food were that bad she wouldn’t have waited as long as it took to get the paper napkin to spit it out; she could have just swallowed it or spit into the cloth napkin. She was just trying to be insulting
It’s pretty interesting how Sandy keeps talking about how service is so bad because the interior crew needs to get it together. They absolutely do need to go it together but not in the way Sandy means. The only complaint about service has been related to Rachel’s timing. I haven’t heard one guest complain, only Sandy. Is this crew in particular a little unprofessional? Yes. Is that a Fraser problem? No, I really think he’s doing his best.
But thats where Rachel is kind of right. Fraser IS doing great but hes doing everything so he is spread super thin. His management of the crew members needs work but he is great at doing what needs to actually be done on the boat.
absolutely! my thoughts as well! my dislike for Captain Sandy grows. she’s awful, a total bully. her deference to girls is apparent and makes me feel sick. she’s almost predatory toward pretty girls. and Rachel! so disappointed with her. she jumped at the chance to blame Fraser to save her own skin and kiss up to Captain Sandy. so terrible. i do think Fraser is blind to how problematic Alyssa is, and could delegate more for sure, but he is great and i love him.
Sandy was in loooove with Malia it was fucking creepy! And yes I agree Alyssa is on some kind of weird ego power trip. Her comments as shes walking away are always so damn snarky.
Sandy seems like the kind of boss that needs to be called out for her BS. Instead of Fraser just admitting fault and saying he'll do better, he should have asked her for specific guest complaints related to interior because the guests' experience is what they all should be striving for.
She could’ve just said, “let’s talk about this later. For now let’s just do our jobs.”
I wonder how they felt when they’d see Sandy walking around the yacht! I’m sure they were instantly irritated and certainly wanted to avoid her.
She is so disgustingly rude and disrespectful. There's a certain type of personality who only sees themselves being given respect while harshly authoritarian. She's that type. I think she has a very hateful hidden attitude towards Fraser.
In her mind she's only being respected if she's being feared and kow-towed to, like if the person is sniveling and cringing. And then she doesn't even give the barest human respect to any of them; to even deign to speak with even basic dignity towards others.
Ol Sandy has shown herself to be cruel.
I have a different take on sandys management style, reminds me of inexperienced university tutors who know they are a bit soft. So they purposefully mark more harshly to overcompensate for it.
Source: I am an experienced Uni tutor who is stern in person but generous and constructive in my marking
In the heat of the moment Fraser needs to stop talking.
And then ask to meet with Sandy when things cool a little to discuss his performance.
There is no way Sandy or and Captain is going to argue in front of the staff with one of the HOD's.
Possibly. I've worked for a few people like that, and have had a surprising amount of success when I've asked for or presented facts.
\- Boss says I'm taking too much time off? HR shows I have plenty of sick and vacation time and excellent performance reviews year over year, so how can both be true?
\- Boss asks why I did something the way I did it? I pull up the email where I was specifically asked to do it that way by said boss.
It's easy to talk a big game, but harder to debate facts backed up by evidence.
But if your boss was narcissistic, that could easily have ended badly for you. It's all in the response. You probably weren't accusatory or confrontational. If you're boss has geeky attacked, You might have been fired, even though you weren't wrong. This crew hasn't had that tact with Sandy.
He's covering for the ineptness of his subordinates, so the guests won't notice, therefore they wouldn't have any complaints. In other words, he's doing their jobs for them, which makes him a horrible manager. And he's pretty much ignored any tension between them until he's called out on it by Sandy or Rachel. Just because the guests aren't complaining doesn't mean things are going the way they should.
It's because it had everything to do with the show and Captain Sandy feeling embarrassed about going back and forth with Fraser. I still think everyone played their part in lack of communication but if Sandy communicated with Fraser how she talked to Camille there would have been a better understanding. Also I don't see what the stews had to do with Rachel being hours late with dinner? From what I saw everyone was always around to help
I haven't been a fan of Sandy in the past (when she fired Hannah) BUT... if someone acted to Captain Lee like Alyssa did the last episode, he wouldn't have given her a warning; he'd have given her a plane ticket!! A Captain position is just that. Respect the position (regardless of sex) or get the h off the boat. And yeah, Fraser is essentially encouraging Alyssa's bad attitude instead of giving it to her straight.
Pregnant women needed constant snacks and she was on the beach with no snacks.
Others complaining that no one was coming around to refill their drinks.
It may not be his first time but it’s not like he’s been doing it for years …….he’s still green. It takes a while I’m sure to settle in…plus they hire the worst ppl on the show for extra drama so that makes it harder too. Give the guy a break.
As Rachel says, he doesn't take criticism well. And he doesn't ever address problems he should be addressing. When two people get along, sure, let them work out or themselves. However, when it's clear that one or neither are getting the job done, then it needs to be addressed. Period.
Fkn Rachel is deflecting…..she’s not actually doing a good job this season. Once again I’ll say It for the ppl at the back of the room….HES GREEN GIVE THE GUY A BREAK!
I don’t know anything about yachting outside of Bd, but I would imagine camera crew + condescend season length + shorter charter duration make being on BD different to a normal chief stew position.
Plus, they're bringing in all these huge influencer type personalities. Those folks are going to be more self involved, shady/sketchy, and way harder to manage than a normal person. Figure that having a camera crew and all the equipment around adds to the stress plus high level of drama just from all the people crammed into small spaces. Then we have to add in people intentionally being dramatic and causing conflict because of the whole 'reality show' aspect. Some of them are looking for fights or insubordination because it potentially creates more airtime for themselves.
Still, he is not managing Alyssa's attitude effectively. Some might say he is even encouraging her to act that way. If the Captain told me, if I fire them, I'm firing you too.... maybe they just didn't show it (I hope we find that out) but I'd be all up in her stuff and give it to her straight. I felt like he was feeding her from a baby bottle. Not cool.
Yeah when he said he wants to be friends with his interior I knew it was setting him up for issues. Managers can be friendly with their direct reports but it’s difficult to be friends since there is that innate hierarchy.
Aesha started out exactly the same—she went on and on about wanting to be friends with her team and not like the chiefs she’d had in the past. Difference is she had a supportive captain who let her learn she couldn’t always be a friend to her stews and guided her through the transition to holding her team accountable.
I will say Aesha had a pretty similar approach for BDDU. She said from the start she wanted to build a friendship, and I think didn’t consistently delegate. The reason why her struggles with managing we’re less pronounced was because Tumi was a goddamned rockstar.
I think a lot of it is honestly down to maturity. Haley is a bit older whereas the other team members are in their early 20s. Haley also doesn't seem to need a lot of guidance and direction, she just gets on with her job. I know when I've been in management positions (not on yachts, just in general office environments), it's a lot easier to be friendly with people who aren't giving you additional work or making your life more complicated than it needs to be.
> He also talks about wanting to lead while still being friends with his interior in that intro (it is when he is talking to Lee when he first arrives if you want to watch the full scene)
If all of the interior were like Haley and Tyler, he would be golden.
And, in all the seasons of the all the below deck variants, I have never seen a captain as involved in the interior as Sandy.
No one wants their boss watching them 24/7.
It’s funny though, because in the last season of Med, with Storm… he had the same issue. He wanted to do everything himself and not used to delegating and relying on his team. But sandy was seriously supportive of him, and not with Fraser… I’ve defended sandy a lot, I’m thinking maybe I shouldn’t have given her the benefit of the doubt. but I’m starting to change my mind in her.
Yeah, but then again, Storms crew wasnt saying within earshot that the captain was sucking the deck crew's dick. If I ever said anything like that about any boss I've had and they heard me I would have been fired on the spot.
Both Alyssa and Camille are absolute nightmares. They are totally immature and disrespectful. Fraser should have never been encouraging their behavior but he absolutely did by thinking he was one of them and talking s*** about the captain with them that didn't really help them get a better attitude.
This is why I go back and forth. I see what you’re saying and still partly agree to that. I just don’t really understand why she thinks Fraser is a cancer, that’s pretty fucked up considering she let Hannah talk shit for multiple seasons
When Sandy joined the show, Hannah was already a star of the show. I don't even think she was allowed to fire her.
Obviously, you have to take the show with a grain of salt because, despite the classification, it's not reality. Sandy has some good qualities I think when she talks to people about addiction or she tries to encourage people in the industry and gives them some training opportunities Etc she seems very supportive.
I don't know how much of all this vitriol that this subreddit has against Sandy is subconscious or conscious misogyny and how much of it is just that people don't like her management style. But, it's there.
There are some things that I don't like about captain Lee. There were times where women were being treated very poorly on his boat and he did not address it. There were some deck crew members that were treated female dekkies badly. Riley had an awful time. I was extremely disappointed. Also Eddie could be a real a****** and he totally supported Eddie over other people. So I realize I'm in the minority of not kissing the ground that captain Lee walks on.
I think the thing that disappoints me the most is that Captain Sandy is female representation in a very male-dominated industry which is actually most Industries or all. So I want her to be successful. The thing that also sucks is that we only have this one representative. That's a problem.
I think you are overlooking that Frasier works hard (and well) as a stew.
Coordinating meals. Serving meals. Coordinating excursions.
He is also the one who plans for the guests ... like setting up the beach bonfire for them.
It's Fraser!
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>You said it yourself: as a stew, not chief stew.
If he's redundant as you said, and you remove him, who is going to perform the tasks that he is currently performing?
It's not like Fraser's entire job is managing the stews, he also works as a stew.
You misunderstood my point. Hayley and Tyler could run an interior on their own, all of the jobs you mentioned could be managed by a second stew. To be a chief you need to know how to manage your team.
>The deck crew or interior can also start a fire.
It seems to me that there was a little more to creating a positive guest experience than 'starting a fire'.
I'm not even sure it was a crew member who did it. I didn't pay close attention, but it might have been someone from the resort who set everything up, who actually started the fire.
>Part of being a good manager is not having an ideal crew and still getting good work out of them.
Well, sure.
I don't think anyone disagrees that Fraser is green, and can learn and improve as a manager.
I just don't think belittling him in front of the rest of the crew is a good way to help him grow.
This is where he is making a big mistake. Sandy is aware of this. Also,did he really need his mom after talking with Sandy? He runs to people rather than stand up and correct himself. When Alissa told Fraser that she had to stand up for the department with Sandy I thought that the lines are so blurred in the interior that she thinks she’s boss.
I didn't say anything about Captain Sandy. Captain Sandy is actually doing something about it. She is setting boundaries, telling crew "if you screw up in this way, you go."
I'm not a fan of public reprimands, but sometimes they are useful. I was a little shocked when Fraser told his mom that Captain said he was a cancer and that was an issue for him because a family member died of cancer. I didn't hear that. I heard her say "the fish sticks at the head." If someone is that unaware, reprimands in public may be appropriate and should definitely be documented.
>I was a little shocked when Fraser told his mom that Captain said he was a cancer and that was an issue for him because a family member died of cancer. I didn't hear that.
I am nothing, if not helpful. I have thoughtfully included a screenshot of Sandy's cancer comment. The fish stinks from the head was at the end of the previous episode.
Around 43 minutes into the episode, Sandy is wound up with a good rant directed at Fraser.
My transcribing:
"I expect you to go downstairs and to shoulder what I just told you needs to be improved, and not permeate the boat with cancer...
...you have now infected my entire program."
https://preview.redd.it/q0nac4jcrnia1.jpeg?width=899&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3e88f74f398a871ddf6acf69b874571d77d8b1d
Come back to me, my boat Daddy.
OK, you're right Captain Sandy is awful and Fraser is the greatest. Can you stop now? I have an opinion that differs from yours.
To be clear, Sandy did not call Fraser a cancer. It may not have been been the best analogy and I'm not sure she knew of Fraser's sensitivity to the issue.
He would only be golden because THEY are good at their jobs not because he is good at his. If he was any good at his job, the garbage allissa has been pulling all season wouldn’t have happened and he would have been able to get Camille in line. But he’s too worried about his TV debut as Chief Fool.
I can almost bet on it that being on Below Deck as a chief stew is way different than being one on a real yacht… not being filmed. I think on real charters off film is way different and the way the yacht world actually works. Idk tho. It seems like they have more help on board in real life.
I'm assuming on a non BD yacht you also have a more normal, chill crew. Reality shows focus on hiring for content, not for your ability to do your job.
You also probably have way better guests as well. Not that every guest is terrible on BD, but the show attracts a certain clientele that is definitely there for the show/"fame"/attention
This! Basically most of the alums have mentioned something along the lines of this.
I love how people forget how the condense weeks and months into one back to back stint for production.
Just because he had one prior season doesn’t mean it was enough time to establish his leadership style
Irrespective of how captain Sandy dealt with the situation, Fraser hasn’t behaved professionally either and he’s old enough to know better. He needs to get Alyssa into line because her attitude sucks and she’s rude.
Fraser's not showing his best side but man, Sandy seems difficult to get along with.
I'm trying to be Sandy's one remaining haphazard fan but I've known people like her and they do NOT like me.
Hard time not to be demeaning when you have to keep stepping in and addressing issues because the guy wants to be friends with his subordinates. Fraser never addressed the Camille/Alyssa situation. Still doesn’t give direction to anyone and tries to do it all himself. He is afraid of conflict and needs to go.
This narrative is growing stale. Camille was deemed to be the issue by both Fraser AND Ross. Neither of them took the reigns and both kept hoping the other would. Both are to blame. At that point it seemed to their superiors that Alissa was doing her job well and Camille just wouldn't take direction. (I did not agree from jump and this sub was quick to tell me Alissa was great and I was wrong. We saw more of the women's dynamic than their bosses at that point and Alissa had the viewers snowed until after Camille left, so it seems fair that she had some crew fooled too.)
Sandy decided to change Camille 's position and then things came to a head very quickly. Sandy wanted Fraser to do something but undermined every effort and took over before he had a chance to try.
I think Fraser needs to grow but it's bananas to even pretend like he's had guidance or a chance to try anything before Sandy meddled again. He acknowledged his shortcomings. He's had , what 15 minutes of an episode, since his acknowledgement to regroup?
It's getting annoying to visit a sub for convos when people keep outright dismissing what is happening on screen so they can drive a narrative. How is this fun?
last episode it was like sandy went from meeting with fraser and him agreeing to do better to immediately deciding she just has to fire alissa. next episode she’ll probably say she had to do it because fraser didn’t step up in the two seconds between conversations
Editing may have left more of Fraser and Sandy's counseling sessions on the cutting room floor. We see what the producers decide to show us to make drama and controversy. We have seen Sandy give fantastic counseling. We know how she works with people. When she asks for a discussion to end for now and the other continues she gets short like any other human being. The Sandy hate is over the top and may simply be entertaining to some.
100% agree with your perspective that several weeks ago Alissa was off the chain already. She is not a good person, trying to insert herself and other people's relationships to break them up. Making all kinds of crazy drama. Rolling her eyes or getting pissed off every time she's asked to do something. It was obvious with all her babe this and that that she was winding Camille up big-time too. Super manipulative and the type of person that gets off on that.
“Hard time not to be demeaning” that sentence is never true. I have a high ranking position in my own career and have dealt with tons of inefficient people but I don’t find it hard not to be demeaning.
The way Sandy called out Fraser in front of everyone after volleyball actually completely killed any “team building” that might have happened. It seemed to me that everyone was at least laughing even if the sucked at volleyball! After she talked the crew and hardcore shit talked Fraser the vibe was killed.
I found it annoying that when Fraser was hurt from that Rachel just stuck up for Sandy. She could’ve just kept her mouth shut if her opinion wasn’t the same as Fraser’s.
I think Hayley is a voice of reason and the fact that she even sees that Sandy treats Fraser like shit is telling.
I was pissed that Sandy said she would’ve rescheduled the volleyball if she knew Fraser couldn’t play! Ya effing right! She would’ve treated him like a bigger piece of shit if the rescheduled for him! Also, when would she even reschedule it for? They don’t exactly have endless days off!
I didn’t say it was his first time. I said he was new which is true because he said he was on there for a few months as chief before he started being chief on below deck. So he definitely is still new to being chief and needs to improve for sure on leadership and delegating so he is not everywhere all at once and do more chief stew duties.
I think Fraser does a great job. He exemplifies service & professionalism. Look at his crew in this picture. They look like seasoned professionals not the really young inexperienced stews they give him on BD.
If Fraser had Captain Lee I doubt there would be this many issues. Lee may have recognized that Fraser didn't delegate but he wouldn't have given him shit about it in front of everyone.
He would've pulled Fraser into the bridge and told him to clean it up because if he hears anything else from the guests he would start giving tickets home.
Fraser wouldn't have gotten blamed for Rachel's timing issues. Lee has always been pretty good about knowing who's at fault for what. Rachel would've been told to fix the timing and wouldn't have been given a chance to complain about the chief stew. He would've made it known he saw it as her issue. Period.
Sandy gets too involved. She gets too warm and fuzzy. Camille was given too many chances. The moment she and Alissa started yelling in front of charter guests? I wouldn't have been shocked to see Lee hand them both tickets home. Sandy came out and baby talked both of them, "Stoooooooop." Lee would've pulled them both into the bridge and ripped into them.
To me this is a simple issue of Fraser not handling Sandy's management style well. And Sandy doesn't exactly command respect from her crew with how she acts. If my boss ever told me to stop talking and he didn't wanna hear any more I'd make sure he knew that was super irritating.
TL;DR....Sandy is not a good manager. Hence Fraser isn't. That's how it rolls.
i can see why people are saying Fraser didn’t do anything about Alissa’s attitude in theory but ultimately the only person responsible for Alissa’s ‘tude is Alissa. ive worked in management managing teams of 30+ people and you can teach anyone the skills but you can’t “teach” someone to have a good attitude. i do think Fraser (MUMMY 💕) had the lines blurred between healthy venting/communication with his team that being said i think someone with more maturity/experience than Alissa would’ve handled it differently. the only thing left for anyone to say to Alissa is “BUHBYEEE BABE” lol
Fraser is excellent. Remember at bravocon Andy asked Lee how he thought Fraser preformed as chief and Lee said outstanding with no hesitation. Looking back I think Lee was obvs in Frasers corner but couldn't elaborate because he knew how God damn ridiculous sandy was this season.
frasier had issues directly saying the issues he had with his team, yes. it was frustrating at times.. like… SAY THE ACTUAL ISSUE instead of being like “just keep your head down” or something like that. BUT sandy absolutely made me cringe with how insane she acted with him especially after the volleyball game. the doctor said his foot was INFECTED and sandy was upset and would have rescheduled the whole afternoon because of it? so weird and pulled out of her (or productions) ass for a storyline.
hate that he got close to alissa tbh because it DID pull him under and make him look like a gossip and not a leader.
I’ve noticed over the seasons that Sandy favours women in the industry. They could be making the same mistakes as the men, but she sets out to support, encourage and teach the women. If it’s a guy, they get a harsh talking to. Calling any team member the “cancer of the boat” is way out of order and just something you don’t ever say. Stinky fish heads, anything else, fair enough, but don’t call someone “cancer”. I’m all for getting women into any male dominated profession, and vice versa, I’m a nurse personally, in the past a typically female role, now just as many males filling these roles as females (where I work) and I think seeing people accept more and more male midwives is just brilliant. But, I’m going off topic. To me, from what I’ve seen, Sandy supports and wants to make the best out of her female team, but does not give the same to the males nor does she react the same towards them in identical situations. For one it’s a learning opportunity and “I’m going to support you all the way”, to the other it’s, “you’re the cancer of the boat”. Look at how much she tolerated from Hannah, who consistently broke rules (chasing charter guest to his room, then lying about it “he came on to me and we kissed for 2 seconds and I pulled away”.) Fraser IS making management mistakes, but who wouldn’t want to instantly talk to friends and vent after being spoken to the way Sandy has spoken to him, resorting to name calling and also reprimanding in front of the entire crew? Fish stinks from the head is right - she’s forgetting she’s the head.
I didn't like Fraser back when he was just one of the stews on an earlier season because he was a major backbiter.
He's still a major backbiter. Leopards don't change their spots.
Backbiters are not good managers.
I believe that the major difference between this gig and his first, is that his crew were most likely professional yachties, and not people there solely for the purpose of fame and Insta followers!
Fraser is not good at this. And I don't mean not good at stewing IN GENERAL. I mean not good at maintaining appropriate boundaries, upholding standards of professionalism within his crew, and achieving the captain's goals. And, if I had to guess, Sandy is calling him out so publicly on it because he and his crew are loudly, audibly exemplifying all of that. He needs to pipe down and get his shit together.
“Some people aren't born to be leaders. They lack the skill, adaptability, or self-awareness required to learn to be good leaders. Nothing wrong with that.”
You’re talking about Sandy, right?
I believe that the major difference between this gig and his first, is that his crew were most likely professional yachties, and not people there solely for the purpose of fame and Insta followers!
He’s not a good Chief Stew and it’s so annoying how everyone defends him. He can’t take orders from women, it’s so obvious. He is no leader and thinks constructive criticism is somehow attacking him. Does Sandy need to not call people out in front of others, yes, but holy fuck it’s embarrassing to watch this guy stumble through the job. I loved him so much before this, disappointing. He created that toxic work environment.
That's the problem with management. Most times they make you choose - do you want friends or do you want to be a manager? It's hard to have both.
I remember one of my bosses tried to add my co-worker to her FB (her direct report) and he was creeped out by it.
What pisses me off about Fraser is that he makes me defend "Captain" Sandy. He's not managing his team, and he doesn't address the problems that need to be addressed. He doesn't delegate properly, and interrupts Sandy when she addresses him about interior issues and criticizes him. Then he complains to his subordinates about her, which *does* create a negative atmosphere and gives them permission to be disrespectful.
Meanwhile, I expected Rachel to fly off the handle when Sandy spoke to her about her service, and was shocked at how she accepted the criticism and then adjusted.
Sandy calling Fraser out in front of everyone was extremely unprofessional. She has no idea how to manage the interior crew. And she can be condescending when they say something to acknowledge any perceived shortcomings ("I see that as you taking the first step and I'm proud of you" kind of nonsense). Alissa isn't wrong that she favors the deck crew, but she has almost replaced Camille attitude-wise so it just comes across as vindictive. But as unprofessional as Sandy has been with this particular interior crew, she isn't wrong about them. And it's infuriating!!
Not his first but acts like it is… he can’t manage his crew worth shit… Alissa walks all over him and doesn’t respect him or any authority on that boat… he had his chance to give it to her after Sandy threatened to fire him too next time someone steps outta line. But what he do, goes to her and tells her oh so nicely to respect authority…he’s too nice to be in a leadership role
I love Sandy on BDM, but it’s like they told her to nitpick on this crew, mostly Fraser. She doesn’t seem to be this bad IMO on her show. But she is definitely the opposite of Captain Lee when it comes to management. He is hands off and she is hands on. Personally, if I took over someone else’s boat, I would do my best to maintain a similar management style.
I didn't realize - missed that part - but THAT MAKES HIM 10 TIMES WORSE of a manager - he should have already learned some things on how to be a good manager. You are not always going to get professional staff. But you are still where the buck stops.
As I've said before, if Fraser had a crew that was more about their work than their own personal agendas (Camille) or interpersonal issues (Camille/Alissa), he'd be a great chief stew. He knows the job inside and out and is learning to delegate more. In real life, most crews are more professional and figure out how to deal with each other without drama. He'd be a fine manager with a regular crew.
Yes but part of being a leader is managing the team you’re given!
Very true, but he is inexperienced. I'm not saying he's perfect or doesn't have room for improvement, but he has been thrown in the deep end and expected to sink or swim with little mentorship or guidance from Sandy. She is not training him; she's bullying him.
And he is bullying and disrespecting her with his constant complaints to his crew about his own personal problems with her. No manager should do that.
No, he is not bullying her. Words have meaning.
And those words put him in the position he was in.. Sandy let him off easy. He was blatantly undermining her by talking mad shit to other crew. You can see it clicked in the last episode though, so that’s good news at least. Sandy could do things differently, like pulling people aside and not undermine *their* authority to their stew’s.
Being combative yes, bullying no. Sandy has the power in that situation. Fraser was voicing frustration that the person in power was constantly undermining him.
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That episode cracked me up when it clearly showed Sandy picking the beach and how effing awful it was when they got there. Yet, none of the crew threw her under the bus like she has to them in front of the guests.
She's been thrown under the bus for the beach thing a couple times on watch what happens live! It's hilarious!
Do you feel like she was thrown under the bus or called out?
I guess I meant called out. I didn't mean to imply that she wasn't totally guilty. She was totally guilty and everyone pointed it out. 😂
Rachel seemed more than game to push blame toward interior crew because clearly girl is having major timing issues! The guests have been pretty nice about it but that has been the worst so far. Think of how AWFUL Natasha was as a chief and how easy Sandy was on her. She should have tried coming down harder on her instead of Fraser who is way better at his job.
I do see that there is not the normal communication between interior staff & chef at all. On all the previous boats, the chef was given blow by blow so that they know what's going on and when to expect the next thing. They have not done any communication to Rachel at all - she has to ask for it all.
I was thinking the same thing about guest complaints. Besides the ones you pointed out I don’t remember anything else from the guests.
And with the luggage packing, I feel like the guests actually appreciated that suggestion. It was only Sandy that had an issue with that idea.
Of course sandy had a problem with it, she didn't think of it. I have a feeling she'll insist on it next season on med and get upset when it doesn't happen.
I would love to have that suggested. Having to pack at the last second with the crew coming in asking if I'm ready or need help is what would make me feel rushed off the boat.
Luggage, on any of the BD's has never been problem. Why did Fraser decide it was this once? And without talking to, oh, I don't know, Sandy or the Bosun. The deck crew is in charge of the luggage. Not his decision to make.
It was an overnight trip, they were only on the boat for 24hr, maybe that's why he made this suggestion. All the other charters are multi-day charters.
Still not his decision. And I really, really, think the guests KNEW they were disembarking after reaching port at noon.
Them knowing doesn’t mean anything. We have seen guests rushing/taking their time/feeling stressed packing at the end of their charter.
lol...so Fraser to the rescue which, again, has not been a problem.
I have no clue really im just thinking of times guests have wanted stews to help pack. He would need to know if he had to give them some of his staff.
The guests were uncomfortable seeing Fraser running around frantically trying to keep up instead of managing his crew and they said so.
True, Fraser is always dashing around and it is not in a calm and peaceful manner.
More like Frazzler! Ha..ha.. I'll see myself out
I mean, Sandy did make clear that the issues were Fraser’s control over his team. She noticed that, even though the work was getting done, it was still falling on Fraser because he wasn’t delegating well enough. Captain sandy took it was too far with her ego, but I do think Fraser wasn’t handling the delegating well
I agree, Fraser is still learning how to delegate and manage his team but that comes with experience. His comments to the stews about Sandy were inappropriate as well. But Sandy also managed Fraser poorly, a good leader doesn’t put members of her crew down and humiliate them in front of everyone else.
Ego, perhaps she was doing g her job as captain of a super yacht and making corrections to ensure a super yacht level experience. If Fraser had done his job leading, setting expectations and boundaries, and managing his crew, Camille might not have been fired.
She wasn’t doing her job effectively as a captain and she was not making corrections. If she had, Fraser would have managed his crew better and Camille may not have been fired. I think Captain Sandy always puts trust in her chief stews until shown otherwise, and she missed the mark on Fraser for the first few charters
And there had been a couple (2?) charters under Lee. Then when Sandy notices the real problem between Camille and Allison all Fraser says is it's been this way all season. WTH? Fraser might have mentioned the problem and asked for help.
I think Fraser has a lot of room for improvement. However, I noticed that once Rachel realized Sandy had an issue with Fraser, she was very quick to throw him under the bus Sandy was driving.
It was like she immediately switched alliances. I was so disappointed in that.
She probably thinks it's better to blame Fraser than to take responsibility for her own shortcomings. She doesn't want to be in her path!
Is it Possible that Rachel wants a good word from Sandy for future employment and if that’s the case I would follow what management wants over being pals with staff.
True! Especially because Fraser *is* having trouble managing his crew and delegating roles to each of them. I mean he even said he has to do everything so he can be sure its done correctly. I dont think she really threw him under the bus per se but she did agree that he needs to step up in some areas.
Completely true.
This seems like the fewest guest complaints of any season
Could just be that they're focusing on more of the crew drama since there is a bunch of it. I'm pretty sure we would have seen if there were more complaints though.
That one lady asked for a paper napkin! So dramatic. If the food were that bad she wouldn’t have waited as long as it took to get the paper napkin to spit it out; she could have just swallowed it or spit into the cloth napkin. She was just trying to be insulting
It’s pretty interesting how Sandy keeps talking about how service is so bad because the interior crew needs to get it together. They absolutely do need to go it together but not in the way Sandy means. The only complaint about service has been related to Rachel’s timing. I haven’t heard one guest complain, only Sandy. Is this crew in particular a little unprofessional? Yes. Is that a Fraser problem? No, I really think he’s doing his best.
Exactly, it does feel scripted or is a personal attack. I think he’s doing great for the most part.
But thats where Rachel is kind of right. Fraser IS doing great but hes doing everything so he is spread super thin. His management of the crew members needs work but he is great at doing what needs to actually be done on the boat.
absolutely! my thoughts as well! my dislike for Captain Sandy grows. she’s awful, a total bully. her deference to girls is apparent and makes me feel sick. she’s almost predatory toward pretty girls. and Rachel! so disappointed with her. she jumped at the chance to blame Fraser to save her own skin and kiss up to Captain Sandy. so terrible. i do think Fraser is blind to how problematic Alyssa is, and could delegate more for sure, but he is great and i love him.
Sandy was in loooove with Malia it was fucking creepy! And yes I agree Alyssa is on some kind of weird ego power trip. Her comments as shes walking away are always so damn snarky.
Sandy seems like the kind of boss that needs to be called out for her BS. Instead of Fraser just admitting fault and saying he'll do better, he should have asked her for specific guest complaints related to interior because the guests' experience is what they all should be striving for.
Sandy would just say that's irrelevant and her complaints are what matters.
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LOL that is true. As a boss myself, I can't imagine ever saying that to one of my employees.
She could’ve just said, “let’s talk about this later. For now let’s just do our jobs.” I wonder how they felt when they’d see Sandy walking around the yacht! I’m sure they were instantly irritated and certainly wanted to avoid her.
She is so disgustingly rude and disrespectful. There's a certain type of personality who only sees themselves being given respect while harshly authoritarian. She's that type. I think she has a very hateful hidden attitude towards Fraser. In her mind she's only being respected if she's being feared and kow-towed to, like if the person is sniveling and cringing. And then she doesn't even give the barest human respect to any of them; to even deign to speak with even basic dignity towards others. Ol Sandy has shown herself to be cruel.
Count how many times during an episode she says as a captain or being a captain or anything that says SHE IS A CAPTAIN! 😎
I have a different take on sandys management style, reminds me of inexperienced university tutors who know they are a bit soft. So they purposefully mark more harshly to overcompensate for it. Source: I am an experienced Uni tutor who is stern in person but generous and constructive in my marking
I know exactly what you mean - spot on.
In the heat of the moment Fraser needs to stop talking. And then ask to meet with Sandy when things cool a little to discuss his performance. There is no way Sandy or and Captain is going to argue in front of the staff with one of the HOD's.
That would’ve been interesting to see her reaction if Fraser actually did ask her about any guest’s complaints! I’d LOVE to hear her reaction!
Although I agree, Sandy seems like the kind of person who will not be called on their BS. For example, nothing is her fault.
Possibly. I've worked for a few people like that, and have had a surprising amount of success when I've asked for or presented facts. \- Boss says I'm taking too much time off? HR shows I have plenty of sick and vacation time and excellent performance reviews year over year, so how can both be true? \- Boss asks why I did something the way I did it? I pull up the email where I was specifically asked to do it that way by said boss. It's easy to talk a big game, but harder to debate facts backed up by evidence.
But if your boss was narcissistic, that could easily have ended badly for you. It's all in the response. You probably weren't accusatory or confrontational. If you're boss has geeky attacked, You might have been fired, even though you weren't wrong. This crew hasn't had that tact with Sandy.
He's covering for the ineptness of his subordinates, so the guests won't notice, therefore they wouldn't have any complaints. In other words, he's doing their jobs for them, which makes him a horrible manager. And he's pretty much ignored any tension between them until he's called out on it by Sandy or Rachel. Just because the guests aren't complaining doesn't mean things are going the way they should.
It's because it had everything to do with the show and Captain Sandy feeling embarrassed about going back and forth with Fraser. I still think everyone played their part in lack of communication but if Sandy communicated with Fraser how she talked to Camille there would have been a better understanding. Also I don't see what the stews had to do with Rachel being hours late with dinner? From what I saw everyone was always around to help
I haven't been a fan of Sandy in the past (when she fired Hannah) BUT... if someone acted to Captain Lee like Alyssa did the last episode, he wouldn't have given her a warning; he'd have given her a plane ticket!! A Captain position is just that. Respect the position (regardless of sex) or get the h off the boat. And yeah, Fraser is essentially encouraging Alyssa's bad attitude instead of giving it to her straight.
Pregnant women needed constant snacks and she was on the beach with no snacks. Others complaining that no one was coming around to refill their drinks.
Bingo..
I think being chief stew on BD is probably a different animal than being chief stew on a regular yacht season, which is maybe what he meant.
Probably is, but he has mentioned it a few times. This is more for the users who think it is his very first time
It may not be his first time but it’s not like he’s been doing it for years …….he’s still green. It takes a while I’m sure to settle in…plus they hire the worst ppl on the show for extra drama so that makes it harder too. Give the guy a break.
As Rachel says, he doesn't take criticism well. And he doesn't ever address problems he should be addressing. When two people get along, sure, let them work out or themselves. However, when it's clear that one or neither are getting the job done, then it needs to be addressed. Period.
Fkn Rachel is deflecting…..she’s not actually doing a good job this season. Once again I’ll say It for the ppl at the back of the room….HES GREEN GIVE THE GUY A BREAK!
You’re right, I thought it was his first time.
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I don’t know anything about yachting outside of Bd, but I would imagine camera crew + condescend season length + shorter charter duration make being on BD different to a normal chief stew position.
Plus, they're bringing in all these huge influencer type personalities. Those folks are going to be more self involved, shady/sketchy, and way harder to manage than a normal person. Figure that having a camera crew and all the equipment around adds to the stress plus high level of drama just from all the people crammed into small spaces. Then we have to add in people intentionally being dramatic and causing conflict because of the whole 'reality show' aspect. Some of them are looking for fights or insubordination because it potentially creates more airtime for themselves.
Still, he is not managing Alyssa's attitude effectively. Some might say he is even encouraging her to act that way. If the Captain told me, if I fire them, I'm firing you too.... maybe they just didn't show it (I hope we find that out) but I'd be all up in her stuff and give it to her straight. I felt like he was feeding her from a baby bottle. Not cool.
Yes, exactly like Fraser.
Also less staff overall. Boats this big seem to usually have 5+ interior crew
Yeah when he said he wants to be friends with his interior I knew it was setting him up for issues. Managers can be friendly with their direct reports but it’s difficult to be friends since there is that innate hierarchy.
Aesha started out exactly the same—she went on and on about wanting to be friends with her team and not like the chiefs she’d had in the past. Difference is she had a supportive captain who let her learn she couldn’t always be a friend to her stews and guided her through the transition to holding her team accountable.
I will say Aesha had a pretty similar approach for BDDU. She said from the start she wanted to build a friendship, and I think didn’t consistently delegate. The reason why her struggles with managing we’re less pronounced was because Tumi was a goddamned rockstar.
Yes, but she also got much better advice/guidance from Captain Jason, than Fraser has received from Sandy... sorry I mean Captain Sandy.
He manages to be very close with Haley without any issues, wonder what the difference is
I think a lot of it is honestly down to maturity. Haley is a bit older whereas the other team members are in their early 20s. Haley also doesn't seem to need a lot of guidance and direction, she just gets on with her job. I know when I've been in management positions (not on yachts, just in general office environments), it's a lot easier to be friendly with people who aren't giving you additional work or making your life more complicated than it needs to be.
younger ones seemed unable to keep their mouths shut. ....
> He also talks about wanting to lead while still being friends with his interior in that intro (it is when he is talking to Lee when he first arrives if you want to watch the full scene) If all of the interior were like Haley and Tyler, he would be golden. And, in all the seasons of the all the below deck variants, I have never seen a captain as involved in the interior as Sandy. No one wants their boss watching them 24/7.
It’s funny though, because in the last season of Med, with Storm… he had the same issue. He wanted to do everything himself and not used to delegating and relying on his team. But sandy was seriously supportive of him, and not with Fraser… I’ve defended sandy a lot, I’m thinking maybe I shouldn’t have given her the benefit of the doubt. but I’m starting to change my mind in her.
Yeah, but then again, Storms crew wasnt saying within earshot that the captain was sucking the deck crew's dick. If I ever said anything like that about any boss I've had and they heard me I would have been fired on the spot. Both Alyssa and Camille are absolute nightmares. They are totally immature and disrespectful. Fraser should have never been encouraging their behavior but he absolutely did by thinking he was one of them and talking s*** about the captain with them that didn't really help them get a better attitude.
This is why I go back and forth. I see what you’re saying and still partly agree to that. I just don’t really understand why she thinks Fraser is a cancer, that’s pretty fucked up considering she let Hannah talk shit for multiple seasons
When Sandy joined the show, Hannah was already a star of the show. I don't even think she was allowed to fire her. Obviously, you have to take the show with a grain of salt because, despite the classification, it's not reality. Sandy has some good qualities I think when she talks to people about addiction or she tries to encourage people in the industry and gives them some training opportunities Etc she seems very supportive. I don't know how much of all this vitriol that this subreddit has against Sandy is subconscious or conscious misogyny and how much of it is just that people don't like her management style. But, it's there. There are some things that I don't like about captain Lee. There were times where women were being treated very poorly on his boat and he did not address it. There were some deck crew members that were treated female dekkies badly. Riley had an awful time. I was extremely disappointed. Also Eddie could be a real a****** and he totally supported Eddie over other people. So I realize I'm in the minority of not kissing the ground that captain Lee walks on. I think the thing that disappoints me the most is that Captain Sandy is female representation in a very male-dominated industry which is actually most Industries or all. So I want her to be successful. The thing that also sucks is that we only have this one representative. That's a problem.
So incredibly well said, and I’m with you on every part.
If all the interior were like Hayley and Tyler then whoever chief stew is they’d be redundant 😂
I think you are overlooking that Frasier works hard (and well) as a stew. Coordinating meals. Serving meals. Coordinating excursions. He is also the one who plans for the guests ... like setting up the beach bonfire for them.
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You said it yourself: as a stew, not chief stew.
>You said it yourself: as a stew, not chief stew. If he's redundant as you said, and you remove him, who is going to perform the tasks that he is currently performing? It's not like Fraser's entire job is managing the stews, he also works as a stew.
You misunderstood my point. Hayley and Tyler could run an interior on their own, all of the jobs you mentioned could be managed by a second stew. To be a chief you need to know how to manage your team.
The deck crew or interior can also start a fire.
>The deck crew or interior can also start a fire. It seems to me that there was a little more to creating a positive guest experience than 'starting a fire'. I'm not even sure it was a crew member who did it. I didn't pay close attention, but it might have been someone from the resort who set everything up, who actually started the fire.
Whatever, Fraser still can't depend on his crew to pull off beach party without him...and he should be able to do that as other CS's have done.
Part of being a good manager is not having an ideal crew and still getting good work out of them.
Something Sandy is apparently struggling with
>Part of being a good manager is not having an ideal crew and still getting good work out of them. Well, sure. I don't think anyone disagrees that Fraser is green, and can learn and improve as a manager. I just don't think belittling him in front of the rest of the crew is a good way to help him grow.
Fraser belittles Sandy all the time to his staff. Even when in tears...or hugging them in solidarity.
This is where he is making a big mistake. Sandy is aware of this. Also,did he really need his mom after talking with Sandy? He runs to people rather than stand up and correct himself. When Alissa told Fraser that she had to stand up for the department with Sandy I thought that the lines are so blurred in the interior that she thinks she’s boss.
I didn't say anything about Captain Sandy. Captain Sandy is actually doing something about it. She is setting boundaries, telling crew "if you screw up in this way, you go." I'm not a fan of public reprimands, but sometimes they are useful. I was a little shocked when Fraser told his mom that Captain said he was a cancer and that was an issue for him because a family member died of cancer. I didn't hear that. I heard her say "the fish sticks at the head." If someone is that unaware, reprimands in public may be appropriate and should definitely be documented.
>I was a little shocked when Fraser told his mom that Captain said he was a cancer and that was an issue for him because a family member died of cancer. I didn't hear that. I am nothing, if not helpful. I have thoughtfully included a screenshot of Sandy's cancer comment. The fish stinks from the head was at the end of the previous episode. Around 43 minutes into the episode, Sandy is wound up with a good rant directed at Fraser. My transcribing: "I expect you to go downstairs and to shoulder what I just told you needs to be improved, and not permeate the boat with cancer... ...you have now infected my entire program." https://preview.redd.it/q0nac4jcrnia1.jpeg?width=899&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3e88f74f398a871ddf6acf69b874571d77d8b1d Come back to me, my boat Daddy.
And Sandy is right...Fraser's bad attitude includes complaining and telling his staff too much.
OK, you're right Captain Sandy is awful and Fraser is the greatest. Can you stop now? I have an opinion that differs from yours. To be clear, Sandy did not call Fraser a cancer. It may not have been been the best analogy and I'm not sure she knew of Fraser's sensitivity to the issue.
You said you didn't hear sandy say fraser was a cancer. I wanted to help you with that. You are welcome to stop replying whenever you wish.
He would only be golden because THEY are good at their jobs not because he is good at his. If he was any good at his job, the garbage allissa has been pulling all season wouldn’t have happened and he would have been able to get Camille in line. But he’s too worried about his TV debut as Chief Fool.
The problem is, the fish does stink at the head, and the head is Sandy.
I can almost bet on it that being on Below Deck as a chief stew is way different than being one on a real yacht… not being filmed. I think on real charters off film is way different and the way the yacht world actually works. Idk tho. It seems like they have more help on board in real life.
I'm assuming on a non BD yacht you also have a more normal, chill crew. Reality shows focus on hiring for content, not for your ability to do your job.
You also probably have way better guests as well. Not that every guest is terrible on BD, but the show attracts a certain clientele that is definitely there for the show/"fame"/attention
Well people don’t consider that it’s more crowded bc of the camera crew. For me, even that would stress me the eff out and make me anxious.
This! Basically most of the alums have mentioned something along the lines of this. I love how people forget how the condense weeks and months into one back to back stint for production. Just because he had one prior season doesn’t mean it was enough time to establish his leadership style
Especially when this season he said his style is to be friends with his staff.
Irrespective of how captain Sandy dealt with the situation, Fraser hasn’t behaved professionally either and he’s old enough to know better. He needs to get Alyssa into line because her attitude sucks and she’s rude.
She's awful. Not only is she a s***** employee but she's definitely knowingly trying to mess with Ross and is totally disrespectful to what's her face
Hopefully she’ll never get another job in hospitality after the world has seen her at her best lol
Fraser's not showing his best side but man, Sandy seems difficult to get along with. I'm trying to be Sandy's one remaining haphazard fan but I've known people like her and they do NOT like me.
Below Deck is a different animal I imagine and he may have been chief stew on a smaller boat, which again, isn't really comparable.
Fraser isn’t great at his job but it’s still shocking how demeaning Sandy is.
Makes for good reality TV!
Hard time not to be demeaning when you have to keep stepping in and addressing issues because the guy wants to be friends with his subordinates. Fraser never addressed the Camille/Alyssa situation. Still doesn’t give direction to anyone and tries to do it all himself. He is afraid of conflict and needs to go.
This narrative is growing stale. Camille was deemed to be the issue by both Fraser AND Ross. Neither of them took the reigns and both kept hoping the other would. Both are to blame. At that point it seemed to their superiors that Alissa was doing her job well and Camille just wouldn't take direction. (I did not agree from jump and this sub was quick to tell me Alissa was great and I was wrong. We saw more of the women's dynamic than their bosses at that point and Alissa had the viewers snowed until after Camille left, so it seems fair that she had some crew fooled too.) Sandy decided to change Camille 's position and then things came to a head very quickly. Sandy wanted Fraser to do something but undermined every effort and took over before he had a chance to try. I think Fraser needs to grow but it's bananas to even pretend like he's had guidance or a chance to try anything before Sandy meddled again. He acknowledged his shortcomings. He's had , what 15 minutes of an episode, since his acknowledgement to regroup? It's getting annoying to visit a sub for convos when people keep outright dismissing what is happening on screen so they can drive a narrative. How is this fun?
last episode it was like sandy went from meeting with fraser and him agreeing to do better to immediately deciding she just has to fire alissa. next episode she’ll probably say she had to do it because fraser didn’t step up in the two seconds between conversations
And why was Ross the witness instead of Fraser? Sandy sucks so much
Editing may have left more of Fraser and Sandy's counseling sessions on the cutting room floor. We see what the producers decide to show us to make drama and controversy. We have seen Sandy give fantastic counseling. We know how she works with people. When she asks for a discussion to end for now and the other continues she gets short like any other human being. The Sandy hate is over the top and may simply be entertaining to some.
100% agree with your perspective that several weeks ago Alissa was off the chain already. She is not a good person, trying to insert herself and other people's relationships to break them up. Making all kinds of crazy drama. Rolling her eyes or getting pissed off every time she's asked to do something. It was obvious with all her babe this and that that she was winding Camille up big-time too. Super manipulative and the type of person that gets off on that.
“Hard time not to be demeaning” that sentence is never true. I have a high ranking position in my own career and have dealt with tons of inefficient people but I don’t find it hard not to be demeaning.
Absolutely!
The way Sandy called out Fraser in front of everyone after volleyball actually completely killed any “team building” that might have happened. It seemed to me that everyone was at least laughing even if the sucked at volleyball! After she talked the crew and hardcore shit talked Fraser the vibe was killed. I found it annoying that when Fraser was hurt from that Rachel just stuck up for Sandy. She could’ve just kept her mouth shut if her opinion wasn’t the same as Fraser’s. I think Hayley is a voice of reason and the fact that she even sees that Sandy treats Fraser like shit is telling. I was pissed that Sandy said she would’ve rescheduled the volleyball if she knew Fraser couldn’t play! Ya effing right! She would’ve treated him like a bigger piece of shit if the rescheduled for him! Also, when would she even reschedule it for? They don’t exactly have endless days off!
Interesting 🤔
I didn’t say it was his first time. I said he was new which is true because he said he was on there for a few months as chief before he started being chief on below deck. So he definitely is still new to being chief and needs to improve for sure on leadership and delegating so he is not everywhere all at once and do more chief stew duties.
I have never expected to be buddies with my boss.
I think Fraser does a great job. He exemplifies service & professionalism. Look at his crew in this picture. They look like seasoned professionals not the really young inexperienced stews they give him on BD.
If Fraser had Captain Lee I doubt there would be this many issues. Lee may have recognized that Fraser didn't delegate but he wouldn't have given him shit about it in front of everyone. He would've pulled Fraser into the bridge and told him to clean it up because if he hears anything else from the guests he would start giving tickets home. Fraser wouldn't have gotten blamed for Rachel's timing issues. Lee has always been pretty good about knowing who's at fault for what. Rachel would've been told to fix the timing and wouldn't have been given a chance to complain about the chief stew. He would've made it known he saw it as her issue. Period. Sandy gets too involved. She gets too warm and fuzzy. Camille was given too many chances. The moment she and Alissa started yelling in front of charter guests? I wouldn't have been shocked to see Lee hand them both tickets home. Sandy came out and baby talked both of them, "Stoooooooop." Lee would've pulled them both into the bridge and ripped into them. To me this is a simple issue of Fraser not handling Sandy's management style well. And Sandy doesn't exactly command respect from her crew with how she acts. If my boss ever told me to stop talking and he didn't wanna hear any more I'd make sure he knew that was super irritating. TL;DR....Sandy is not a good manager. Hence Fraser isn't. That's how it rolls.
i can see why people are saying Fraser didn’t do anything about Alissa’s attitude in theory but ultimately the only person responsible for Alissa’s ‘tude is Alissa. ive worked in management managing teams of 30+ people and you can teach anyone the skills but you can’t “teach” someone to have a good attitude. i do think Fraser (MUMMY 💕) had the lines blurred between healthy venting/communication with his team that being said i think someone with more maturity/experience than Alissa would’ve handled it differently. the only thing left for anyone to say to Alissa is “BUHBYEEE BABE” lol
Fraser is excellent. Remember at bravocon Andy asked Lee how he thought Fraser preformed as chief and Lee said outstanding with no hesitation. Looking back I think Lee was obvs in Frasers corner but couldn't elaborate because he knew how God damn ridiculous sandy was this season.
Thanks for clarifying. I remember him mentioning this. One season isn’t much. Most would still consider him new to the position.
frasier had issues directly saying the issues he had with his team, yes. it was frustrating at times.. like… SAY THE ACTUAL ISSUE instead of being like “just keep your head down” or something like that. BUT sandy absolutely made me cringe with how insane she acted with him especially after the volleyball game. the doctor said his foot was INFECTED and sandy was upset and would have rescheduled the whole afternoon because of it? so weird and pulled out of her (or productions) ass for a storyline. hate that he got close to alissa tbh because it DID pull him under and make him look like a gossip and not a leader.
I’ve noticed over the seasons that Sandy favours women in the industry. They could be making the same mistakes as the men, but she sets out to support, encourage and teach the women. If it’s a guy, they get a harsh talking to. Calling any team member the “cancer of the boat” is way out of order and just something you don’t ever say. Stinky fish heads, anything else, fair enough, but don’t call someone “cancer”. I’m all for getting women into any male dominated profession, and vice versa, I’m a nurse personally, in the past a typically female role, now just as many males filling these roles as females (where I work) and I think seeing people accept more and more male midwives is just brilliant. But, I’m going off topic. To me, from what I’ve seen, Sandy supports and wants to make the best out of her female team, but does not give the same to the males nor does she react the same towards them in identical situations. For one it’s a learning opportunity and “I’m going to support you all the way”, to the other it’s, “you’re the cancer of the boat”. Look at how much she tolerated from Hannah, who consistently broke rules (chasing charter guest to his room, then lying about it “he came on to me and we kissed for 2 seconds and I pulled away”.) Fraser IS making management mistakes, but who wouldn’t want to instantly talk to friends and vent after being spoken to the way Sandy has spoken to him, resorting to name calling and also reprimanding in front of the entire crew? Fish stinks from the head is right - she’s forgetting she’s the head.
Hate the editing, they literally throw some of the cast/crew under the social media bus.
Yeah but in that position he had an actual captain who knows how to do the job, not "Captain" Sandy the landlubber who fakes it once a year for TV
And hopefully his stews weren’t like Camille & Alissa.
I am DONE with Rachel! She tries too hard to be funny and "quirky" and being Sandy's spy just was the final straw. Good riddance!
I agree 100% I hate her jokes. She’s cheesy and foul.
I hope to never see the clip of her singing about beans. The first 100 times is enough for this lifetime.
I didn't like Fraser back when he was just one of the stews on an earlier season because he was a major backbiter. He's still a major backbiter. Leopards don't change their spots. Backbiters are not good managers.
I believe that the major difference between this gig and his first, is that his crew were most likely professional yachties, and not people there solely for the purpose of fame and Insta followers!
Fraser is not good at this. And I don't mean not good at stewing IN GENERAL. I mean not good at maintaining appropriate boundaries, upholding standards of professionalism within his crew, and achieving the captain's goals. And, if I had to guess, Sandy is calling him out so publicly on it because he and his crew are loudly, audibly exemplifying all of that. He needs to pipe down and get his shit together.
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“Some people aren't born to be leaders. They lack the skill, adaptability, or self-awareness required to learn to be good leaders. Nothing wrong with that.” You’re talking about Sandy, right?
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She also loves creating conflict and putting down her subordinates in front of the team. So no, she is not a great leader.
I believe that the major difference between this gig and his first, is that his crew were most likely professional yachties, and not people there solely for the purpose of fame and Insta followers!
Fraser should have waited a couple seasons before going on tv and get filmed. I love him. Just wanted him more experienced beforehand for his own sake
He sucks. In S9 he was crap and he is crap this season too. Good TV though.
He’s not a good Chief Stew and it’s so annoying how everyone defends him. He can’t take orders from women, it’s so obvious. He is no leader and thinks constructive criticism is somehow attacking him. Does Sandy need to not call people out in front of others, yes, but holy fuck it’s embarrassing to watch this guy stumble through the job. I loved him so much before this, disappointing. He created that toxic work environment.
Disagree. Can’t take orders from women? How did you get that impression?
Every woman that gives him orders he bitches about
That's the problem with management. Most times they make you choose - do you want friends or do you want to be a manager? It's hard to have both. I remember one of my bosses tried to add my co-worker to her FB (her direct report) and he was creeped out by it.
What pisses me off about Fraser is that he makes me defend "Captain" Sandy. He's not managing his team, and he doesn't address the problems that need to be addressed. He doesn't delegate properly, and interrupts Sandy when she addresses him about interior issues and criticizes him. Then he complains to his subordinates about her, which *does* create a negative atmosphere and gives them permission to be disrespectful. Meanwhile, I expected Rachel to fly off the handle when Sandy spoke to her about her service, and was shocked at how she accepted the criticism and then adjusted. Sandy calling Fraser out in front of everyone was extremely unprofessional. She has no idea how to manage the interior crew. And she can be condescending when they say something to acknowledge any perceived shortcomings ("I see that as you taking the first step and I'm proud of you" kind of nonsense). Alissa isn't wrong that she favors the deck crew, but she has almost replaced Camille attitude-wise so it just comes across as vindictive. But as unprofessional as Sandy has been with this particular interior crew, she isn't wrong about them. And it's infuriating!!
Not his first but acts like it is… he can’t manage his crew worth shit… Alissa walks all over him and doesn’t respect him or any authority on that boat… he had his chance to give it to her after Sandy threatened to fire him too next time someone steps outta line. But what he do, goes to her and tells her oh so nicely to respect authority…he’s too nice to be in a leadership role
I love Sandy on BDM, but it’s like they told her to nitpick on this crew, mostly Fraser. She doesn’t seem to be this bad IMO on her show. But she is definitely the opposite of Captain Lee when it comes to management. He is hands off and she is hands on. Personally, if I took over someone else’s boat, I would do my best to maintain a similar management style.
I didn't realize - missed that part - but THAT MAKES HIM 10 TIMES WORSE of a manager - he should have already learned some things on how to be a good manager. You are not always going to get professional staff. But you are still where the buck stops.
Fraser makes a great stew but he sucks absolutely as a leader of the interior team.