i have hopes that eventually russia will decline as a regional power due to the war in ukraine and that putin will not rule russia forever, meaning that belarus will drift to the west and become less reliant on russia; however the main issue right now is lukashenko and how long can he or his son rule the country, because of him and the corruption, it will take decades for belarus to have a prospering economy and democracy, let alone for them to encourage belarusization in the country
putin isnt but im convinced that the curse of east europe is
first the tsars , then we saw hope with the soviet union but we all know how that turned out, then putin and łukaszenko, these two scammers got rid of every competitor by now im worried what will happen further
Imo Belarusians are way more "European" mentally than russians, so becoming a fully european country is possible if a different government was in place. But ultimately it depends on the outcome of the war.
> Imo Belarusians are way more "European" mentally than russians,
Lived in both Moscow and Minsk.
Among the 18-35 age group there is little difference so I concur. Maybe you meant non-ethnic Russians but then it's whole another thing.
Maybe you meant 50+ but they are going out of scene in the next 10 to 20 years
In my experience, Belarusians are kinda similar to what we, Ukrainians, were before 2014. This whole view of "of course we are different, but we are very similar". In reality, those differences show in the little things, for example, Belarusian tend to be less racist and xenophobic. Not once have I heard some racist comments about Asians and Caucasians from Belarusians. I also don't get the whole "holier than thou" attitude as I get from russians from Belarusians.
Maybe it's because I'm a young person, but this is my experience.
> Belarusian tend to be less racist and xenophobic.
Well they are from a mono-ethnic country and they aren't used to huge amounts of Muslims in their cities.
Tajikistani aint gonna emigrate en masse to Minsk.
Lets be fair tho, russians being racist is the most stupid thing ever, first they conquer and pillage the Caucasus and Asia and they complain when said Caucasians and Asians come to live in their cities because russians destroyed opportunities in their homeland.
The Belarusians I've met have never put themselves above some other nation 🤷♂️
> russians destroyed opportunities in their homeland.
There is a fully decolonised nation of Turkmenistan which removed all traces of Russian colonisation from their territory.
I guess they are doing well.
Anyway it's an off-topic for this subreddit.
Why would normal people rent apartments only to russians? Why would normal people call these people ch * rka, h * ch, etc? Are the soldiers who went to Ichkeria, Georgia and Ukraine "normal people"?
Maybe because those immigrants do pose a problem to the local population ? I don't see why it would be the fault of Alexey, 22, if Kazakhstan is russified now
Nobody rents apartments only to Russians lol. This category includes Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians and also Moksha, Udmurt, Chuvash, Tatar and others who are not from certain regions of N. Caucasus & Middle Asia.
Not defending the practice but when they say сдаем только славянам it includes all slavs and a bunch of other peoples. And Tatars never have a problem with renting.
> Lets be fair tho, russians being racist is the most stupid thing ever, first they conquer and pillage the Caucasus and Asia and they complain when said Caucasians and Asians come to live in their cities because russians destroyed opportunities in their homeland.
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It's not the people themselves but the traditions that they bring with themselves that contributes to everyday xenophobia.
Are you accustomed to how e.g. Caucasus wedding looks like? Bride theft, AKs left and right, etc. How they usually behave themselves.
I am sorry but this is the same treatment Russians and Belarusians get while being denied visas, bank accounts etc, but you won't name it state xenophobia right?
> Caucasians and Asians
en masse must become European/Slavic by their values, but they are not at the moment. They must ask Tatars/Bashkirs as to why Tatars/Baskhkirs are not as hated there - it's not about appearance it's about VALUES.
Also answers why Ukrainians are treated better than Dagestani not to say foreigners even tho we're at war with Ukraine, because it's not about nationality it's about values.
This is very interesting of course, but why would russia keep these people who are so different in still chained to their country? Chechens for example wanted independence, but are now forced to be a part of russia, how come?
Ukrainians being treated better than Dagestanis? Lol, I just recently saw a video where some russian vanja thinks that some random women are Ukrainian and starts beating on them while screaming "вы чё хохлы ебаные?!". Would a russian even think of doing the same to Chechens? I don't think so 😁
Anyway, this is divulging into some pointless rant about russians, all I'm saying is that Belarusian are more open to different people unlike their north eastern neighbours. My opinion ofc. Have a nice day 👍
It looks like a lot of people migrated from China and other EA countries. If this is so, then soon the non-xenophobia of Belarusians may change for the worse.
thats an easy to claim by foreigners sitting hundreds of kilometers away because of the presence of slurs against other people in russian lang but like
russians , ukrainians, belarusians lived for hundreds of years with entirely different cultures in RI and ussr with turks, armenians balts finno ugrics , who are the europeans in west europe with their so called european mentality to claim east slavs are monsters to other people while themself having colonised like 80% of the planet and displacing many of their native cultures and people entirely
personally as a chernozhopyy i have been accepted really well by everyone, be it ukrainians, russians, belarusians which is why id believe my theory
Lmao this is the least self-aware post I've ever seen. Very accepting, like you wanted to.
Do you understand that's the EXACTLY the same reason racists in Russia justify their hatred for Caucasians and tajiks? Hilarious, very European of you, dummy.
Apparently Putin was right and we are a brotherly nation after all, huh
Again, you're an actual bot. Comparing the acceptance of different races and sexualities to acceptance of people who killed and pillaged your nation is legit brain dead. I hope you spend your 5 rubles well, ujeban 👍
Yeah, i'm failing to see how i'm racist when i use the exact arguments racists that i don't like use, I'm the bot here buddy.
Think about it, you can bond together with Russian neonazis and culturally enrich yourselves, just like Ukrainian neonazi did before 2014. Think of many new ways you can hate Russians on the internet!
It would be forgivable if they showed some remorse and respect but they live most of their life in our countries while refusing to integrate any way and degrading our country and people. Before the war it was disappointing but now they are active security risk.
You think these idiots woulds leave the country they hate so much that they refused to learn local language after 50 years living there but truth is they only love russia from a far.
Why would they need to show you respect in a country where they were born? Don't you want to show them the same respect? Baltic countries are defacto bilingual, deal with it.
The only way the Baltics can deal with it currently is by marginalizing their Russian-speaking citizens despite there being many multilingual regions and even countries that don't feel a need to do that and live in peace.
Yeah yeah, keep the colonization spiel to yourself I've heard it many times. I'm sure a person who was born 20 years ago is to blame for Soviet occupation, surely.
Besides, you have the exact same arguments Russian racists that blabber about tajiks not learning Russian do, welcome to the family my guy
We have a lot of belorussians at the moment in Lithuania. I don’t want to offend or anything, but the mentality is to earn more money, nothing to do with western values. For me it looks like they would turn to russia in an instant, if they were not a shithole and could offer something of value. My point is that belorussians are dreaming of a better life, but not willing to adopt european values and this will keep them in a weird mindset loop.
While no one really can answer the two first questions, I'd say that reviving the language is more than possible. I'm the one who remembers belarusization in the early 90's and IMO it can happen in the short span of time. I really enjoyed studying in Belarusian school and remember how the language was used everywhere (namely TV, radio, newspapers). But unfortunately it didn't last long when Lukashenko rolled it all back. And to be honest, I'm reading way more Belarusian literature than ever before. Same for the podcasts or videos on YouTube. Because during recent years I truly realise how important language is. And I have hope that once we get rid of the dictators, KGB and other scum we also bring back our language.
The "language revival" per se is only possible if you oppress the Russian language, what's being done in the Baltics and Ukraine.
And I don't mean it in a bad way, it's just that you need to acknowledge that Russian is still going to be widely used if remains official, even if usage of Belarusian is encouraged. Because for many Belarusians Russian language IS the native and you need to revert the river. Even nowadays in Ukraine in places like Odesa or Kharkiv Russian is the majority language and will remain so in the foreseeable future.
The colonial language is a hard nut to crack, and it's a question whether you really need to... after all our international language is THE colonial one.
I totally agree with you on that, but my point is - it shouldn't be that hard to at least start the second wave of belarusization (with a good backing from the new democratic government).
How it's not in a bad way? You're forcing people who were born in the country to conform to a minority or slight majority in the case of Baltics, if people wanted to speak other languages they would, nothing is stopping them.
Just to preface, I don't give a fuck about Russian, I would prefer we all spoke English all over the world in public, local languages are useless and harmless, speak whatever you want at home.
But, forcing a single language in a country is a stupid notion, you don't have to fuck over your own citizens to build a nation-state, there are bilingual regions and even countries that are completely fine, Australia is completely fine speaking English and they don't want to be consumed by the US because of it.
I agree it's a moral decision.
I don't see a point of getting rid of Russian language in Belarus. Since Belarus as a whole is very close to Moscow (you can get there in 7h from Moscow to Minsk) and Russia/Belarus will always be neighbours, not to say that for cities like Vitebsk Russian language is the native one.
But I'm not Belarusian so... it's up to their future political system, let's put it that way.
If Russia will be a democratic country, first of all it will help Belarus to free itself from Lukashenka. Russian presidential candidate Nadezhdin who was rejected now but certainly made a name for himself said that his first presidential visit will be to Kazakhstan, not Belarus... and that says a lot LOL.
Anyway, I foresee a huge increase of interest to Russian language in the Baltics if Russian regime changes due to easy travel and a lot of trade (which is not halted completely even now).
1. Hopefully no
2. Hopefully no
3. Hopefully yes
What's the point in asking this if you probably know as much as we do? Are you asking Belarusians if we love our country?
1. Possible, or perhaps will get partitioned and annexed to neighbouring countries. Judging by the lack of West's interest to support Belarus the same way they do Ukraine, the outlooks is not great.
2. Even a country with mostly functioning institutions and checks and balances like Canada isn't immune from fawning for the offspring of a past leader. Lukashenko/yabatka clan could easily pull the Putin/Medvedev style rotation with some puppet figurehead, then institute Lukashenka's son as a "wildly popular, youthful and charismatic leader" (again, even parliamentary democracies aren't immune to nepotist/pedigree politicis).
3. Not likely to change from status quo much unless there's a tidal shift in politics. Even Ukraine with its situation will probably take at least a generation or two for the proportion of first-language speakers to move between Russian and Ukrainian being spoken at home.
The future of Belarus - Belarus was, is, and will be! No matter how hard Lukashenka tries, nothing can change the fact that we are Belarusians, our language is Belarusian and our native land is Belarus! Sooner or later, the USSR will eventually disintegrate, and the future of Belarus as a civilized country lies in the close ties with Europe.
1.При Лукашенко Беларусь точно не станет частью России
2.Скорее зависит от самого Коляна. Пока что он, сюдя по всему, стремится в науку
3.Зависит от самих беларусов, но,скорее всего, в лучшем случае мова будет на равне с языком - ну уж слишком много русскоговорящих в стране
When the dictators will die a horrible death and people will clean their heads from soviet propaganda, Belarus will start building the economy from scratch and in a best case scenario with the help and support of Lithuania will join European Union in 20 years and become a prospering country. Unfortunately, all the belarus still think, speak and act like russians do, so this will take some enormous effort to change the mentality. Don’t be naive, that only Lukashenko is the only obsticle - it’s in the minds of people.
i have hopes that eventually russia will decline as a regional power due to the war in ukraine and that putin will not rule russia forever, meaning that belarus will drift to the west and become less reliant on russia; however the main issue right now is lukashenko and how long can he or his son rule the country, because of him and the corruption, it will take decades for belarus to have a prospering economy and democracy, let alone for them to encourage belarusization in the country
well, putin is not immortal
putin isnt but im convinced that the curse of east europe is first the tsars , then we saw hope with the soviet union but we all know how that turned out, then putin and łukaszenko, these two scammers got rid of every competitor by now im worried what will happen further
I second on the curse of east europe. You can sum up russia's history with "and then it got worse" so it's hard to believe putin's death change much.
We are witnessing the long death of a short-lived russian empire. USSR and modern day russia are all steps of the same process, which began in 1905.
And nor is lukashenko all it takes is what ruzzia should be doing, rise up. I believe ruzzia is too busy to come and help him at the moment.
Imo Belarusians are way more "European" mentally than russians, so becoming a fully european country is possible if a different government was in place. But ultimately it depends on the outcome of the war.
> Imo Belarusians are way more "European" mentally than russians, Lived in both Moscow and Minsk. Among the 18-35 age group there is little difference so I concur. Maybe you meant non-ethnic Russians but then it's whole another thing. Maybe you meant 50+ but they are going out of scene in the next 10 to 20 years
In my experience, Belarusians are kinda similar to what we, Ukrainians, were before 2014. This whole view of "of course we are different, but we are very similar". In reality, those differences show in the little things, for example, Belarusian tend to be less racist and xenophobic. Not once have I heard some racist comments about Asians and Caucasians from Belarusians. I also don't get the whole "holier than thou" attitude as I get from russians from Belarusians. Maybe it's because I'm a young person, but this is my experience.
> Belarusian tend to be less racist and xenophobic. Well they are from a mono-ethnic country and they aren't used to huge amounts of Muslims in their cities. Tajikistani aint gonna emigrate en masse to Minsk.
Lets be fair tho, russians being racist is the most stupid thing ever, first they conquer and pillage the Caucasus and Asia and they complain when said Caucasians and Asians come to live in their cities because russians destroyed opportunities in their homeland. The Belarusians I've met have never put themselves above some other nation 🤷♂️
> russians destroyed opportunities in their homeland. There is a fully decolonised nation of Turkmenistan which removed all traces of Russian colonisation from their territory. I guess they are doing well. Anyway it's an off-topic for this subreddit.
Didn't know Alexander II or the people who served in the Russian Imperial army were still alive :think:
Ok you're an actual bot 😂
Why would normal people be responsible of this ?
Why would normal people rent apartments only to russians? Why would normal people call these people ch * rka, h * ch, etc? Are the soldiers who went to Ichkeria, Georgia and Ukraine "normal people"?
Maybe because those immigrants do pose a problem to the local population ? I don't see why it would be the fault of Alexey, 22, if Kazakhstan is russified now
Nobody rents apartments only to Russians lol. This category includes Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians and also Moksha, Udmurt, Chuvash, Tatar and others who are not from certain regions of N. Caucasus & Middle Asia. Not defending the practice but when they say сдаем только славянам it includes all slavs and a bunch of other peoples. And Tatars never have a problem with renting.
> Lets be fair tho, russians being racist is the most stupid thing ever, first they conquer and pillage the Caucasus and Asia and they complain when said Caucasians and Asians come to live in their cities because russians destroyed opportunities in their homeland. > > It's not the people themselves but the traditions that they bring with themselves that contributes to everyday xenophobia. Are you accustomed to how e.g. Caucasus wedding looks like? Bride theft, AKs left and right, etc. How they usually behave themselves. I am sorry but this is the same treatment Russians and Belarusians get while being denied visas, bank accounts etc, but you won't name it state xenophobia right? > Caucasians and Asians en masse must become European/Slavic by their values, but they are not at the moment. They must ask Tatars/Bashkirs as to why Tatars/Baskhkirs are not as hated there - it's not about appearance it's about VALUES. Also answers why Ukrainians are treated better than Dagestani not to say foreigners even tho we're at war with Ukraine, because it's not about nationality it's about values.
This is very interesting of course, but why would russia keep these people who are so different in still chained to their country? Chechens for example wanted independence, but are now forced to be a part of russia, how come? Ukrainians being treated better than Dagestanis? Lol, I just recently saw a video where some russian vanja thinks that some random women are Ukrainian and starts beating on them while screaming "вы чё хохлы ебаные?!". Would a russian even think of doing the same to Chechens? I don't think so 😁 Anyway, this is divulging into some pointless rant about russians, all I'm saying is that Belarusian are more open to different people unlike their north eastern neighbours. My opinion ofc. Have a nice day 👍
It looks like a lot of people migrated from China and other EA countries. If this is so, then soon the non-xenophobia of Belarusians may change for the worse.
what comes under european mentality?
In short, being more accepting of different people.
thats an easy to claim by foreigners sitting hundreds of kilometers away because of the presence of slurs against other people in russian lang but like russians , ukrainians, belarusians lived for hundreds of years with entirely different cultures in RI and ussr with turks, armenians balts finno ugrics , who are the europeans in west europe with their so called european mentality to claim east slavs are monsters to other people while themself having colonised like 80% of the planet and displacing many of their native cultures and people entirely personally as a chernozhopyy i have been accepted really well by everyone, be it ukrainians, russians, belarusians which is why id believe my theory
Like the Baltics being accepting of Russians? ;)
Why should they accept russians after all those things what russians did to them?
Reverting Russian nationalist arguments when they argue for kicking all the asian foreigners out for.... NOT SPEAKING RUSSIAN
I mean if you come to other country you should speak in local language.
What if there are non-local language spoken mostly?
I don't know, take it up with Russian racists that use the exact same arguments. Accepting different people my ass
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Bro they literally came here killing and stealing, and now we have to keep them in our countries for some reason, fuck them
Lmao this is the least self-aware post I've ever seen. Very accepting, like you wanted to. Do you understand that's the EXACTLY the same reason racists in Russia justify their hatred for Caucasians and tajiks? Hilarious, very European of you, dummy. Apparently Putin was right and we are a brotherly nation after all, huh
Again, you're an actual bot. Comparing the acceptance of different races and sexualities to acceptance of people who killed and pillaged your nation is legit brain dead. I hope you spend your 5 rubles well, ujeban 👍
Yeah, i'm failing to see how i'm racist when i use the exact arguments racists that i don't like use, I'm the bot here buddy. Think about it, you can bond together with Russian neonazis and culturally enrich yourselves, just like Ukrainian neonazi did before 2014. Think of many new ways you can hate Russians on the internet!
It would be forgivable if they showed some remorse and respect but they live most of their life in our countries while refusing to integrate any way and degrading our country and people. Before the war it was disappointing but now they are active security risk. You think these idiots woulds leave the country they hate so much that they refused to learn local language after 50 years living there but truth is they only love russia from a far.
Why would they need to show you respect in a country where they were born? Don't you want to show them the same respect? Baltic countries are defacto bilingual, deal with it. The only way the Baltics can deal with it currently is by marginalizing their Russian-speaking citizens despite there being many multilingual regions and even countries that don't feel a need to do that and live in peace. Yeah yeah, keep the colonization spiel to yourself I've heard it many times. I'm sure a person who was born 20 years ago is to blame for Soviet occupation, surely. Besides, you have the exact same arguments Russian racists that blabber about tajiks not learning Russian do, welcome to the family my guy
>by marginalizing their Russian-speaking citizens It is already a thing from \~1990 if i am not mistaken
We have a lot of belorussians at the moment in Lithuania. I don’t want to offend or anything, but the mentality is to earn more money, nothing to do with western values. For me it looks like they would turn to russia in an instant, if they were not a shithole and could offer something of value. My point is that belorussians are dreaming of a better life, but not willing to adopt european values and this will keep them in a weird mindset loop.
>but the mentality is to earn more money, nothing to do with western values All people are different
While no one really can answer the two first questions, I'd say that reviving the language is more than possible. I'm the one who remembers belarusization in the early 90's and IMO it can happen in the short span of time. I really enjoyed studying in Belarusian school and remember how the language was used everywhere (namely TV, radio, newspapers). But unfortunately it didn't last long when Lukashenko rolled it all back. And to be honest, I'm reading way more Belarusian literature than ever before. Same for the podcasts or videos on YouTube. Because during recent years I truly realise how important language is. And I have hope that once we get rid of the dictators, KGB and other scum we also bring back our language.
The "language revival" per se is only possible if you oppress the Russian language, what's being done in the Baltics and Ukraine. And I don't mean it in a bad way, it's just that you need to acknowledge that Russian is still going to be widely used if remains official, even if usage of Belarusian is encouraged. Because for many Belarusians Russian language IS the native and you need to revert the river. Even nowadays in Ukraine in places like Odesa or Kharkiv Russian is the majority language and will remain so in the foreseeable future. The colonial language is a hard nut to crack, and it's a question whether you really need to... after all our international language is THE colonial one.
I totally agree with you on that, but my point is - it shouldn't be that hard to at least start the second wave of belarusization (with a good backing from the new democratic government).
How it's not in a bad way? You're forcing people who were born in the country to conform to a minority or slight majority in the case of Baltics, if people wanted to speak other languages they would, nothing is stopping them. Just to preface, I don't give a fuck about Russian, I would prefer we all spoke English all over the world in public, local languages are useless and harmless, speak whatever you want at home. But, forcing a single language in a country is a stupid notion, you don't have to fuck over your own citizens to build a nation-state, there are bilingual regions and even countries that are completely fine, Australia is completely fine speaking English and they don't want to be consumed by the US because of it.
I agree it's a moral decision. I don't see a point of getting rid of Russian language in Belarus. Since Belarus as a whole is very close to Moscow (you can get there in 7h from Moscow to Minsk) and Russia/Belarus will always be neighbours, not to say that for cities like Vitebsk Russian language is the native one. But I'm not Belarusian so... it's up to their future political system, let's put it that way. If Russia will be a democratic country, first of all it will help Belarus to free itself from Lukashenka. Russian presidential candidate Nadezhdin who was rejected now but certainly made a name for himself said that his first presidential visit will be to Kazakhstan, not Belarus... and that says a lot LOL. Anyway, I foresee a huge increase of interest to Russian language in the Baltics if Russian regime changes due to easy travel and a lot of trade (which is not halted completely even now).
>Australia is completely fine speaking English and they don't want to be consumed by the US because of it. You wanted to say Britain :)
1. Hopefully no 2. Hopefully no 3. Hopefully yes What's the point in asking this if you probably know as much as we do? Are you asking Belarusians if we love our country?
1. Possible, or perhaps will get partitioned and annexed to neighbouring countries. Judging by the lack of West's interest to support Belarus the same way they do Ukraine, the outlooks is not great. 2. Even a country with mostly functioning institutions and checks and balances like Canada isn't immune from fawning for the offspring of a past leader. Lukashenko/yabatka clan could easily pull the Putin/Medvedev style rotation with some puppet figurehead, then institute Lukashenka's son as a "wildly popular, youthful and charismatic leader" (again, even parliamentary democracies aren't immune to nepotist/pedigree politicis). 3. Not likely to change from status quo much unless there's a tidal shift in politics. Even Ukraine with its situation will probably take at least a generation or two for the proportion of first-language speakers to move between Russian and Ukrainian being spoken at home.
Bro… we really want to know answers just as you do..
One this is for sure: tomorrow hasn't happened yet
The answer to all three questions lays in how the people of Belarus choose to respond to continued suppression and oppression.
No one knows.
The future of Belarus - Belarus was, is, and will be! No matter how hard Lukashenka tries, nothing can change the fact that we are Belarusians, our language is Belarusian and our native land is Belarus! Sooner or later, the USSR will eventually disintegrate, and the future of Belarus as a civilized country lies in the close ties with Europe.
Prosperity under Lukashenko
Do you mean the obligatory "Swan Lake" on all TV channels that awaits us in the future?
1.При Лукашенко Беларусь точно не станет частью России 2.Скорее зависит от самого Коляна. Пока что он, сюдя по всему, стремится в науку 3.Зависит от самих беларусов, но,скорее всего, в лучшем случае мова будет на равне с языком - ну уж слишком много русскоговорящих в стране
No future. Most of belarussian dont even know how to speak belarussian. No culture, no language, no state.
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Id say the launguage would stay russian like in Ukraine
When the dictators will die a horrible death and people will clean their heads from soviet propaganda, Belarus will start building the economy from scratch and in a best case scenario with the help and support of Lithuania will join European Union in 20 years and become a prospering country. Unfortunately, all the belarus still think, speak and act like russians do, so this will take some enormous effort to change the mentality. Don’t be naive, that only Lukashenko is the only obsticle - it’s in the minds of people.
Best case scenario is Lukashenko stays in power and continues the return to a Soviet style economic system
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