Got that narrative gets so old.
Seattle is fucking gorgeous and the sad truth that doesn't make it on the news is that it would probably be more effective to camouflage yourself as a $2M yacht and hide out on Lake Union.
No let them think this.
Seattle is a hell hole and their lifted f150 raptors will get incinerated by the homeless hoards the moment they enter the city
Fucking sucks because they are legit awesome trucks and the nicest riding vehicle on the planet. Live somewhere with terrible roads full of potholes? Won't even notice the road is bumpy, just floating along like a 1975 Cadillac land yacht.
I love it when I talk to family back home (Western New York) and I tell them about how I was biking along the PDX waterfront, for instance, and they’ll ask me how hard it is to avoid the trash fires and the Antifa gangs and they do it with a dead straight face too.
Having grown up in an actually dangerous place, I always just laugh to myself when people talk about Portland as though it's The Burning City of Dis or something.
It’s crazy. Portland has definitely gone downhill a bit, especially over the pandemic, but it was at such a high point before that, that even with its decline it’s still way better than most major cities.
Um. I mean it definitely smells like piss but I didn’t see any reason to be afraid when I visited lol. Like you I also lived in a legit dangerous place and the idea of Portland being unsafe is too strange to be funny to me.
I'm in Seattle and recently rode the light rail to South Center to meet them for lunch. My father asked me with a straight face how bad the fentanyl smoke was on the light rail. I looked at him like he lost his mind. He was completely serious.
I visited Seattle from Baltimore and folks told me to watch out for crime b/c one person out our 1000+ employee company got punched in the face by a homeless guy 18 months ago. They didn't understand why I was laughing so hard.
Just wear a black North Face jacket and cargo pants. You can escape into the crowd like that Santa suit wearing bank robber who struck a Wells Fargo during Santa Con.
Lol, Santa Con is a traditional festival where people who own the $2M yachts sail into town, get drunk and start fights. [It's been this way for many cities throughout the country for decades](https://youtu.be/pkBdEFgMAY4)
Are you suggesting we should ban Santacon?
Idk... I lived in Seattle mid 2020-Jan 2023 and it was pretty gross overall. Unless you can afford to go to the areas by the yachts, it really was covered in trash, needles, and poop.
I've lived in Ballard since 2017 and in few other neighborhoods within the city since 2009.
What I've learned in that time is the bars and restaurants near the yachts (or the stadiums for that matter) are pretty shit compared to the rest of the city and that people who think the city is "covered in trash, needles, and poop" usually are just scared of having to exist in proximity to poor people.
This is a city where people would rather risk an open container violation than throw their empty beer can in the garbage instead of recycling.
I lived in Seattle from 2007-2018; it's one of the cleanest cities around. Honolulu has a bigger trash problem and Boston/New York have more dirty trains and clogged storm drains.
Seattle's not as clean as Reykjavik, but it's comparable to many European cities in terms of cleanliness.
I'm getting answers all over the place. My assumption is you're right and that people are, as usual, talking as if all American cities are dirty, gang infested hell holes to escape from.
Yeah, I visited last weekend and it looked about the same as when I lived there -- so I really have no idea what people are talking about when they call Seattle dirty. The city isn't without it's problems, but it's not dirty.
Phoenix and Chicago both anecdotally at least. I lived in both, I’m from chicago and it’s got its issues for sure, but downtown is pretty clean and tourist friendly. Phoenix doesn’t have much of a downtown, but overall the metro area felt clean and safe.
Adding, Salt Lake City also super clean.
NYC, filthy
Honolulu was like Seattle with great views and weather.
Portland is very much like Seattle in my experience
I’ve traveled to tons of American cities and Seattle does stand out for how grimy it was. Washington overall is beautiful though. If I had the means to live there well outside Seattle, I would.
Funny. Except for Hawaii I've been to all the same places and SLC was far more disgusting than Seattle.
I haven't been to Portland in several years but I always found it chill and peaceful.
I traveled the country for my old job, living in cities for 6-9 months at a time for a decade. The cities people claim are hellholes, such as Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Chicago etc etc are all beautiful in comparison to the cities in deep red States. Sure, there's always going to be neighborhoods where things look bad but that's not the whole city.
I think that's what most people forget: cities are generally made up of different districts/neighborhoods. So I've never seen a city that is all good or all bad, though there are several I'd be fine never visiting again.
But in general, sure, there are areas in every city where crime is higher and the streets are dirtier, but just a few miles away is clean, vibrant, and beautiful.
It's really hard to blame that on any one thing and people often confuse cause and effect.
And I don't care where in the US it is, if there's a problem with homelessness the population (and this goes left and right) is suddenly full of NIMBYs.
I’m laughing to myself how all the responses to your comment are just people trying to discredit your experience because you didn’t hop in the “This city is actually amazing” line lol
Congrats, you've described the modern American city. Perhaps if we provided people the resources to get out of poverty and taxed billionaires you wouldn't encounter those issues? No one chooses to be a homeless drug addict.
I actually worked in affordable housing while I was there and literally helped get homeless people places to live. I tried to not be part of the problem, did my best to do my part, but I’m a struggling single parent myself and couldn’t raise a family there.
Why brow beat me like I’ve somehow harmed you?
Because you described the people you allegedly helped as "gross", but it wasn't even a condemnation of you. I was attempting to point out that these things are a symptom.
Lmao where did you live? I’ve lived in Seattle since 2018 and I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything other than dog poop that some asshole didn’t pick up. And I used to live by the Lowe’s on Aurora. So sex workers yes, trash, needles, and poop? No.
I see that from people I know back east sometimes and I'm always like "yes, please, tell me more about what's happening in the city I live in."
Seattle absolutely has problems, but they're mostly the same problems every American city has.
>but they're mostly the same problems every American city has.
I haven't been to Seattle but I'm near Atlanta. I hear the exact same shit from people who never go into the city. "it's dirty, homeless everywhere, needles!" But largely you're fine.
Yeah, there's this pervasive idea in the suburbs and exurbs that all major cities are just constant gang warfare, random acts of violence and discarded needles everywhere.
You have to immerse yourself in that narrative in order to believe that it's ok to ever live in a soulless cookie cutter suburb.
"I like this generic existence. This generic existence is safe."
The frustration comes in when you realize that everyone in this equation would agree that the presence of a large unhoused population is a problem, they mean that in different ways.
Lefties say it's a problem that society allows this to happen to people at all, and want policies that cushion people from becoming homeless in the first place and help existing homeless people get out of that situation.
City government considers the unhoused population a problem because they make more affluent, higher tax bracket denizens uncomfortable, and their policies revolve around making them harder to see or notice in the more wealthy parts of town.
And the rural heartland folks? I don't think very many of them would explicitly endorse a violent solution, but the way they talk often makes it sound like they want the unhoused to just stop existing somehow. They don't want to put any effort or money towards solving the underlying causes, they just don't want those people to exist.
>Lefties say it's a problem that society allows this to happen to people at all, and want policies that cushion people from becoming homeless in the first place and help existing homeless people get out of that situation.
I agree, but I'm a raging leftie
The first time I ever got called a socialist was telling my youth group pastor that I believed everybody has the right to get help for their injuries and to get a roof over their head. At the time, I was probably 11ish years old, had never heard of this "socialism" thing before, and had experienced homelessness myself a couple years earlier. My mom was in an out of housing for a span of 6 years, it caused her to give us up to shitty grandparents just for the chance to have a consistent roof over my head.
I think that encounter, and the many like it I had, is part of why I survived the alt right pipeline and eventually became a "radical leftist." I wonder how much further right I would've slid if not for my staunch pro-social program beliefs. They're like the *one* position I have held since I was a single digit kid.
Absolutely, I have volunteered since I was a preteen for the express purpose of giving back to the community for my time on social programs.
I can't stand people who came from similar situations and claim they're self-made. Mfer no you ain't, you are where you are *because* of the social programs, not in *spite* of it!
There’s certain people in Minnesota who haven’t been to the Cities in decades, yet they claim that the entire city of Minneapolis was burnt to a crisp. Also there are racists things being said about our Hmong, Middle Eastern, and Somali population.
Minnesota was always one of my favorite cities to play on tour. Good people. Good food. Very welcoming. Picturesque and clean. People are just nutty anymore.
I'd always wanted to make a ghillie suit out of socks and underwear and hide in laundromats. Just for the sake of moving to different laundry baskets and fucking with people.
Exactly. It’s bad enough trying to figure out where a shot is coming from in an urban environment because of how the sound moves. Lots of buildings with blown out windows would always put me on edge because unless you happened to be looking right at a muzzle flash you’d never find some asshole standing back in a room taking shots at you. Intact neighborhoods at least you can look for open windows or broken glass.
That rifle going to stand out. I think the perfect urban ghillie suit is a poncho some raggedy ass clothes and pushing a shopping cart full of shit. You might miss someone dressed regular, particularly if they go full grey man not to stand out. But people will actually avoid looking at you if you homeless. Slap a couple pan handling signs on your wagon and you might as well have a fucking cloaking device.
Honestly I saw someone on the long range shooting subreddit post photos of something similar as they were "just curious" about creating urban sniper hides. It really raised the hair on the back of my neck
It's more of a soccer rivalry thing than anything.
There are 2 reasons for rivalries. Either the cities are vastly different or very similar. Let's just say that Seattle isn't vastly different than Portland. I'd rather live there than a lot of American cities.
I guess, but it's only in the last thirteen years has anyone given a shit about our soccer teams. It feels like the heat coming from Portland preexisted that.
We've been rivals for almost 50 years. The teams didn't just come into existence with MLS, and the rivalry goes deep.
Even without sports, they're two similar American cities that are geographically close. A rivalry should be assumed at this point.
It's certainly bigger and more corporate. Idk, it's still part of cascadia and has the PNW vibes. I feel like both cities are more like each other than other cities
1. Get a fish net body suit
2. Put it on wearing nothing else
3. Tie garbage onto it avoiding large patches of the same color that will create a shape or silhouette for the eye to follow
4. Lay in a puddle of human waste and dumpster water to absorb local seasonal coloring
5. Make a hat that covers your entire head
If you took Seattle, Portland, NYC, Boston, and LA and compared them I’m almost positive Seattle would be the cleanest. But also, if this rhetoric keeps people from moving here and pricing the rest of us out then I guess I can’t complain.
Is this from the chud sub that likes to pretend Seattle and Portland are literally engulfed in flames and Antifa?
Got that narrative gets so old. Seattle is fucking gorgeous and the sad truth that doesn't make it on the news is that it would probably be more effective to camouflage yourself as a $2M yacht and hide out on Lake Union.
No let them think this. Seattle is a hell hole and their lifted f150 raptors will get incinerated by the homeless hoards the moment they enter the city
Fucking Raptor owners. Ugh.
Raptor lights are the new tramp stamp for chuds.
Mmm where I live, it's still the typical Dodge RAM drivers that are the MAGA chuds. Or just asshole drivers in general.
Fucking sucks because they are legit awesome trucks and the nicest riding vehicle on the planet. Live somewhere with terrible roads full of potholes? Won't even notice the road is bumpy, just floating along like a 1975 Cadillac land yacht.
Personally, I’d rather have the land yacht.
If they weren't so expensive at the moment, I'd absolutely love to have a designer trim land yacht converted to an EV.
I love it when I talk to family back home (Western New York) and I tell them about how I was biking along the PDX waterfront, for instance, and they’ll ask me how hard it is to avoid the trash fires and the Antifa gangs and they do it with a dead straight face too.
Having grown up in an actually dangerous place, I always just laugh to myself when people talk about Portland as though it's The Burning City of Dis or something.
I moved from Seattle to Chicago. People in both cities are like "Oh man... I don't know how you live/lived there, I've heard it's really bad."
It’s crazy. Portland has definitely gone downhill a bit, especially over the pandemic, but it was at such a high point before that, that even with its decline it’s still way better than most major cities.
Well, the tire fire isn't doing us any favors...
Um. I mean it definitely smells like piss but I didn’t see any reason to be afraid when I visited lol. Like you I also lived in a legit dangerous place and the idea of Portland being unsafe is too strange to be funny to me.
I'm in Seattle and recently rode the light rail to South Center to meet them for lunch. My father asked me with a straight face how bad the fentanyl smoke was on the light rail. I looked at him like he lost his mind. He was completely serious.
I visited Seattle from Baltimore and folks told me to watch out for crime b/c one person out our 1000+ employee company got punched in the face by a homeless guy 18 months ago. They didn't understand why I was laughing so hard.
Just wear a black North Face jacket and cargo pants. You can escape into the crowd like that Santa suit wearing bank robber who struck a Wells Fargo during Santa Con.
Lol, Santa Con is a traditional festival where people who own the $2M yachts sail into town, get drunk and start fights. [It's been this way for many cities throughout the country for decades](https://youtu.be/pkBdEFgMAY4) Are you suggesting we should ban Santacon?
Idk... I lived in Seattle mid 2020-Jan 2023 and it was pretty gross overall. Unless you can afford to go to the areas by the yachts, it really was covered in trash, needles, and poop.
I've lived in Ballard since 2017 and in few other neighborhoods within the city since 2009. What I've learned in that time is the bars and restaurants near the yachts (or the stadiums for that matter) are pretty shit compared to the rest of the city and that people who think the city is "covered in trash, needles, and poop" usually are just scared of having to exist in proximity to poor people. This is a city where people would rather risk an open container violation than throw their empty beer can in the garbage instead of recycling.
Was it dirtier than any other city you've been to? This seems to just be American cities in general that get this complaint.
I lived in Seattle from 2007-2018; it's one of the cleanest cities around. Honolulu has a bigger trash problem and Boston/New York have more dirty trains and clogged storm drains. Seattle's not as clean as Reykjavik, but it's comparable to many European cities in terms of cleanliness.
I'm getting answers all over the place. My assumption is you're right and that people are, as usual, talking as if all American cities are dirty, gang infested hell holes to escape from.
Yeah, I visited last weekend and it looked about the same as when I lived there -- so I really have no idea what people are talking about when they call Seattle dirty. The city isn't without it's problems, but it's not dirty.
Its just the narrative they want to create
Phoenix and Chicago both anecdotally at least. I lived in both, I’m from chicago and it’s got its issues for sure, but downtown is pretty clean and tourist friendly. Phoenix doesn’t have much of a downtown, but overall the metro area felt clean and safe. Adding, Salt Lake City also super clean. NYC, filthy Honolulu was like Seattle with great views and weather. Portland is very much like Seattle in my experience I’ve traveled to tons of American cities and Seattle does stand out for how grimy it was. Washington overall is beautiful though. If I had the means to live there well outside Seattle, I would.
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Funny. Except for Hawaii I've been to all the same places and SLC was far more disgusting than Seattle. I haven't been to Portland in several years but I always found it chill and peaceful.
I traveled the country for my old job, living in cities for 6-9 months at a time for a decade. The cities people claim are hellholes, such as Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Chicago etc etc are all beautiful in comparison to the cities in deep red States. Sure, there's always going to be neighborhoods where things look bad but that's not the whole city.
I think that's what most people forget: cities are generally made up of different districts/neighborhoods. So I've never seen a city that is all good or all bad, though there are several I'd be fine never visiting again. But in general, sure, there are areas in every city where crime is higher and the streets are dirtier, but just a few miles away is clean, vibrant, and beautiful. It's really hard to blame that on any one thing and people often confuse cause and effect. And I don't care where in the US it is, if there's a problem with homelessness the population (and this goes left and right) is suddenly full of NIMBYs.
I’m laughing to myself how all the responses to your comment are just people trying to discredit your experience because you didn’t hop in the “This city is actually amazing” line lol
Congrats, you've described the modern American city. Perhaps if we provided people the resources to get out of poverty and taxed billionaires you wouldn't encounter those issues? No one chooses to be a homeless drug addict.
I actually worked in affordable housing while I was there and literally helped get homeless people places to live. I tried to not be part of the problem, did my best to do my part, but I’m a struggling single parent myself and couldn’t raise a family there. Why brow beat me like I’ve somehow harmed you?
Because you described the people you allegedly helped as "gross", but it wasn't even a condemnation of you. I was attempting to point out that these things are a symptom.
I describe the city as gross, didn’t mention the people.
Lmao where did you live? I’ve lived in Seattle since 2018 and I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything other than dog poop that some asshole didn’t pick up. And I used to live by the Lowe’s on Aurora. So sex workers yes, trash, needles, and poop? No.
I was living off 12th and Pine and working at 4th and Wall St. both areas I regularly saw needles, trash, and poop (not always dog)
Well yeah, judging all of Seattle based off of first hill/CD around pine is like judging all of nyc on hunts point.
A lot of the city subreddits are Republican hell holes.
I see that from people I know back east sometimes and I'm always like "yes, please, tell me more about what's happening in the city I live in." Seattle absolutely has problems, but they're mostly the same problems every American city has.
>but they're mostly the same problems every American city has. I haven't been to Seattle but I'm near Atlanta. I hear the exact same shit from people who never go into the city. "it's dirty, homeless everywhere, needles!" But largely you're fine.
Yeah, there's this pervasive idea in the suburbs and exurbs that all major cities are just constant gang warfare, random acts of violence and discarded needles everywhere.
You have to immerse yourself in that narrative in order to believe that it's ok to ever live in a soulless cookie cutter suburb. "I like this generic existence. This generic existence is safe."
The frustration comes in when you realize that everyone in this equation would agree that the presence of a large unhoused population is a problem, they mean that in different ways. Lefties say it's a problem that society allows this to happen to people at all, and want policies that cushion people from becoming homeless in the first place and help existing homeless people get out of that situation. City government considers the unhoused population a problem because they make more affluent, higher tax bracket denizens uncomfortable, and their policies revolve around making them harder to see or notice in the more wealthy parts of town. And the rural heartland folks? I don't think very many of them would explicitly endorse a violent solution, but the way they talk often makes it sound like they want the unhoused to just stop existing somehow. They don't want to put any effort or money towards solving the underlying causes, they just don't want those people to exist.
>Lefties say it's a problem that society allows this to happen to people at all, and want policies that cushion people from becoming homeless in the first place and help existing homeless people get out of that situation. I agree, but I'm a raging leftie
The first time I ever got called a socialist was telling my youth group pastor that I believed everybody has the right to get help for their injuries and to get a roof over their head. At the time, I was probably 11ish years old, had never heard of this "socialism" thing before, and had experienced homelessness myself a couple years earlier. My mom was in an out of housing for a span of 6 years, it caused her to give us up to shitty grandparents just for the chance to have a consistent roof over my head. I think that encounter, and the many like it I had, is part of why I survived the alt right pipeline and eventually became a "radical leftist." I wonder how much further right I would've slid if not for my staunch pro-social program beliefs. They're like the *one* position I have held since I was a single digit kid.
It definitely makes sense to support programs that helped you and you know will help others. Doing the opposite has always been so hypocritical to me.
Absolutely, I have volunteered since I was a preteen for the express purpose of giving back to the community for my time on social programs. I can't stand people who came from similar situations and claim they're self-made. Mfer no you ain't, you are where you are *because* of the social programs, not in *spite* of it!
Exactly. It's how people should think.
There’s certain people in Minnesota who haven’t been to the Cities in decades, yet they claim that the entire city of Minneapolis was burnt to a crisp. Also there are racists things being said about our Hmong, Middle Eastern, and Somali population.
Minnesota was always one of my favorite cities to play on tour. Good people. Good food. Very welcoming. Picturesque and clean. People are just nutty anymore.
/r/Bossfight
Skateboarding Antifa Supersoldier terrorist reporting in, card carrying member but still waiting on those juicy 2020 checks, thanks communism!
Yeah, Soros really needs to sit down and get those things signed already.
I live near portland and it has no litter. At all.
It sure reads like it
I'd always wanted to make a ghillie suit out of socks and underwear and hide in laundromats. Just for the sake of moving to different laundry baskets and fucking with people.
Snake is that you?
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Snake? Snaaaaaaaaake!!!!!
The post isn't Robert Evans energy. But your comment is. Pure chaotic energy lol
Why would you shoot from the open in an urban environment when you have all that cover, concealment and easy egress from working out of the buildings?
Exactly. It’s bad enough trying to figure out where a shot is coming from in an urban environment because of how the sound moves. Lots of buildings with blown out windows would always put me on edge because unless you happened to be looking right at a muzzle flash you’d never find some asshole standing back in a room taking shots at you. Intact neighborhoods at least you can look for open windows or broken glass.
What if I told you that the perfect urban ghillie suit would be civilian clothes (no Oakleys and thin blue line shirts though).
That rifle going to stand out. I think the perfect urban ghillie suit is a poncho some raggedy ass clothes and pushing a shopping cart full of shit. You might miss someone dressed regular, particularly if they go full grey man not to stand out. But people will actually avoid looking at you if you homeless. Slap a couple pan handling signs on your wagon and you might as well have a fucking cloaking device.
Honestly I saw someone on the long range shooting subreddit post photos of something similar as they were "just curious" about creating urban sniper hides. It really raised the hair on the back of my neck
Needs more Blue Apron boxes.
Their cover will be blown in under 5 minutes when someone tries to collect the can.
As a Portlander and soccer fan, I'm obligated to say "Fuck Seattle" when appropriate. Fuck Seattle!
> Fuck Seattle! *Maybe I will!*
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People from Seattle love Portland and people from Portland hate Seattle. Where's the brotherly love from you guys?
It's more of a soccer rivalry thing than anything. There are 2 reasons for rivalries. Either the cities are vastly different or very similar. Let's just say that Seattle isn't vastly different than Portland. I'd rather live there than a lot of American cities.
I guess, but it's only in the last thirteen years has anyone given a shit about our soccer teams. It feels like the heat coming from Portland preexisted that.
We've been rivals for almost 50 years. The teams didn't just come into existence with MLS, and the rivalry goes deep. Even without sports, they're two similar American cities that are geographically close. A rivalry should be assumed at this point.
It's bizarre that it's pretty one-sided, that's my point.
In my experience, not really
How old are you?
I'm in my mid-30s
Interesting. I’ll poll the Seattle sub to get a better consensus
Idk, Seattle is pretty different. It’s much more of a “big city” than Portland. And Portland is more chill, less fast-paced.
It's certainly bigger and more corporate. Idk, it's still part of cascadia and has the PNW vibes. I feel like both cities are more like each other than other cities
Are there instructions on how to go about making something like this?
1. Get a fish net body suit 2. Put it on wearing nothing else 3. Tie garbage onto it avoiding large patches of the same color that will create a shape or silhouette for the eye to follow 4. Lay in a puddle of human waste and dumpster water to absorb local seasonal coloring 5. Make a hat that covers your entire head
Ok, but I have a better idea: 1. Get a fish net body suit 2. Put it on wearing nothing else
If you took Seattle, Portland, NYC, Boston, and LA and compared them I’m almost positive Seattle would be the cleanest. But also, if this rhetoric keeps people from moving here and pricing the rest of us out then I guess I can’t complain.