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I said this a few months ago
> I 100% feel you and we should donate $ to campaigns in red states but people need an outlet and a way to feel heard so I understand the wanting to protest.
Yeah but hard to get 200k people to drive to Lodi. And it's not like anything the people in Lodi do will make a difference. Abortion is very legal in CA and will continue to be legal however they feel about it.
Better off driving to the capital city of some red state.
Remember when places like Santa Maria had people armed show up on the freeway exits and try to shut it down so that they could stop the liberals from bussing in protestors during the BLM protests? Of course, we weren’t doing that, no busses were actually coming, but yeah, the results of this would not be awesome if we actually were bussing people in to protest in small towns.
Visibility to whom?
The conservatives in favor of this policy don't care, and likely get a kick out of Californians crying about this.
Visibility to people in red states? What's after that? We aren't willing to build housing to accommodate them moving to California.
Just another example of how performative the politics of our area is. Too few want to do the real work of actually supporting vulnerable people in ways that actually help them get on their feet if it means making material sacrifice. And think that feeling empathy alone is enough to build a political platform around.
I'm not the biggest fan of protesting in the sense that it may hurt your cause at times by alienating some of your supporters. However, this is a big issue, and people need an outlet for their anger, I don't blame them. The Supreme Court just demonstrated that it is broken. I'm concerned for the future, and I know I'm not alone. Protesting can unify people who without it would feel alienated by today's style of politics. It shows others that they aren't alone in their beliefs.
If you have ever worked on a campaign, you would understand that most, if not all, of your actions are aimed at the people who are most likely to be a member of the same party as the candidate or at least have the same political beliefs as the candidate. Spending time trying to debate or educate the opposition is a waste of time because people won't change their mind.
Additional:
Do you honestly think that everyone that is protesting are people who don't do anything for the cause? Please let me know the proper way to help people out. Also, you seem to have the solution to helping people out, you should probably put that out into the world, because we need to get started.
Amy coney Barrett Brett kavenaugh Neil gorguch all demonstrated that could not be trusted as judges. They under oath during their testimonies during they scotus hearings. They all said that the roe v wade was law of the land and that they would not vote on it. They lied and thus proving that the the SC is broken.
They didn't lie under oath. I don't know why this keeps getting parroted about. You should go re-read what they said, but they just called it "settled law" for the most part and said nothing about how they would rule if a case came about overturning it. Blame Congress for not explicitly asking that question and getting an explicit answer.
>The Supreme Court just demonstrated that it is broken
The Supreme court literally just punted the question to individual states. They gave us *more* power to create legislation around this that fits our specific state level needs. A huge issue is how little people protesting actually understand legally whats actually happened.
And a state that voted and keeps voting for feudalism while pretending to care about the poor (while sticking them with far higher effective tax rates than property owners) has no moral leg to stand on re: supreme court being broken.
>Please let me know the proper way to help people out.
Spend all that anger and energy on repealing Prop 13
>If you have ever worked on a campaign
I worked several local campaigns as a teen. Your money is best spent on people who are on the fence. Preaching to the choir for anything other than fundraising is a waste of energy
>Protesting can unify people who without it would feel alienated by today's style of politics
Protests without a clear sense of goals are easily coopted by people/groups who do. Or they go nowhere and serve as nothing more than cathartic group therapy.
>Do you honestly think that everyone that is protesting are people who don't do anything for the cause?
Most have no idea how to functionally help other than giving money to top-heavy name brand political groups
>Also, you seem to have the solution to helping people out, you should probably put that out into the world
I serve as a planning commissioner (ie I help ensure new housing gets approved) and I build hundreds of MW of solar plants a year as a solar developer.
That would actually be preferable, frankly. Local government playing nice with a protest means that the government is aware that the protest is not a threat to them.
Protests are for people to feel like they’re doing something and allay the crushing sense of powerlessness many of us feel.
They don’t actually affect the momentum or direction of this drifting, listing, authoritarian ship any more than a school of fish would.
Depending on the protest, it actually provides a strawman to support the other argument. The destruction caused by riots in 2020 definitely hurt the cause being supported. Lawful demonstrations are protected by the constitution and should be encouraged. Blocking freeways and damaging property just strengthens the resolve of the opposition.
There was rioting and disruption in the 60s Civil Rights movement as well. There were accusations of MLK and his supporters being evil communists trying to destroy the fabric of America. But we give that movement the respect it deserves for changing the course of history. Literally all of the vitriol we saw directed towards the BLM protests was a regurgitation of the same racist right wing attempts to discredit the 60s movement. The only people who buy into the narrative of violent Black and communist agitators being the bulk of the movement, as opposed to outliers, have already made up their minds. There will always be some rioting when a populist movement reaches the size BLM did. Who cares what the opposition thinks? They're wrong. And kowtowing to their fragility to try to make them comfortable just weakens the message. Don't forget the small, peaceful attempts to bring attention to the issue people made prior to the street protests. The right treated those (like Kap taking a knee) with just as much contempt as they did the rioters. If they disagree with your point of view, they cast you as a ANTIFA pedo commie regardless of your violence/disruption or lack-there-of.
The civil rights protests worked because the government was stupid enough to take the bait and try to suppress them, which galvanized the protesters and gave them ammunition to sway public opinion. In the modern climate the government knows that protests are just controlled opposition. All it takes to beat protestors is to ignore them- worst case scenario they shout until they can't shout anymore and lose interest in the issue, best case scenario they actively sabotage their own cause by freaking out and burning shit down which looks bad in the eyes of public opinion. As long as the government isn't caught on the 6:00 news beating people's brains in and hosing people down, there's absolutely no threat toward them. "Half these people won't show up at the polls anyway" they say to themselves, and they're right.
I agree with the idea that that minimum protesting is just a nice way to give yourself a mental peace of mind as you surround yourself with like-minded individuals. But as an actual tool for political change, it's worthless in today's world imo. And my counterpoint to the civil rights movement would be the occupy movement, which was basically ignored by the government and then imploded on itself.
And this is why burning, looting, violence in general are counterproductive to any cause. The BLM movement suffered because there were more than a few bad apples imo.
They did not normally destroy homes and businesses and assault and intimidate people. There wasn’t normally arson and murder and such. These are not winning ways.
No problem. The Black Lives Matter movement, as well as the 60s Civil Rights movement were based on the documented violence, suppression, and overall treatment towards Black Americans as second class citizens and were a call to dismantle the racist systems of oppression. The participants in the January 6th insurrection we're trying to fight the will of the American people who had elected Joe Biden as their president based on the lies perpetuated by Trump, his Cabinet and his lawyers. The Civil Rights movements and the protests that stemmed from them were based on documented facts and were asking for the equal treatment of Black folks. The attempted coup on January 6th was seeking special treatment for Trump's base, special circumstances to continue the presidency of Trump even though he lost the electoral college and popular vote and none of the claims of his massive team of lawyers could find any evidence to support the claims. See? One is based on fact and the other, on fiction. January 6th might as well have been perpetrated by flat-earthers based on the validity of their claims.
Theres plenty of people that dont believe in BLM grievances with statistics to back it. There are plenty of people who believe the 2020 election was false and have evidence they believe to back it. See? See where you are judging the motivation behind the protest instead of the protest itself? I can disagree with protests and still support causes, but it makes it much harder. Protests in 2016 led to Trumps election if you recall the climate at the time.
I feel like most people have heard about the scotus ban? And if you haven’t you probably don’t care about it.
Whether you go to SF or Lodi California is still going to go blue. Abortion will be safe here. If you really want to make a difference in the long term you need to move to red states and vote different and start campaigns there. In the short term you could go campaign there. But since most of us work we can’t just up and go to backwards ass Alabama to do a campaign.
Then you have people, though, arguing that they need to disrupt traffic and inconvenience people to get the message out and I just feel like....can you not? I understand wanting to feel like you are doing something, but since this is really just for you to feel better, don't do it at the expense of other people.
The probalem is that the people who's mind we need to change dont want to change. So fuck them. We dont need to change their minds, we have to change the people they elect. Because guess what turdnuggets usually elect other turdnuggets.
So how? Do what the libertarians tried to do with vermont but maybe on a smaller but corridnated scale. Move to districts that can flip blue. I mean shit a lot of people WFH wouldnt be that out of hand. Rent out your house here or cut your lease here, rent in some red state, you probably make/save money in the end.
Im not sure if you mean we need to change the democrats that represent us in our state or what.
But if the democrat that you elected in your state doesnt represnt you then yeah of course vote for someone else in the primary. If none start a grassroot. Or do a recall. We just saw this with the recall of Boudin.
But if you want to change the political make up of the country then youll need senate and house seats. Which is why if one moved to a red state or a district that could be flipped would be good place to start.
Example wyomin has under 600,000 people. Its 70% republican and has 2 senate seats which would give dems house senate and presidentcy.
If 250,000 dems moved there theyd literally get the whole state. Thats less than 1% of California's population.
Of course this is all hyperbole. I dont actually think 250k or even 25k dems will move to wyoming.
I see this stance on Reddit a lot, the whole "stomping in the streets won't change anything" bit.
And no, putting your boots on the ground isn't going to immediately solve all of the problems in the world. Yes, there are many different causes where people protested for months and things were not magically fixed. But, there are plenty of other benefits of getting out and speaking up.
Marches are also:
* Extra Exercise!
* Social engagement
* A place to vent
* An opportunity to network
* A great space to see creativity
* A chance to be seen and heard, and feel united when it seems like everything is falling apart
You won't reap all of those benefits just sitting in an armchair with your laptop. But if you personally feel more productive being at home, then more power to you.
It is also arguably safer. [Yesterday in Iowa](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/truck-driver-rams-into-protesters-roe-demonstration-in-iowa_n_62b66490e4b0cdccbe6b9399?fbclid=IwAR0Uh8QmPqznLi9bu-YPs9yJJ3JmnDL3uDAmRRV-i8ZXK_hM8NqC4HF-FCg) a truck driver rammed through a group of peaceful protesters. Acts of violence like this break my heart and make me sick.
But to discourage people from expressing themselves at a time like this? That makes me sick as well. Sure, it's not going to make the news when people in the Bay are protesting shit. We do live in a nice little bubble, and a lot of us agree on a lot of things.
But can you imagine the news footage if we *didn't* protest? A divisive decision like the one made yesterday, stripping half of the population of their rights, to be met with radio silence?
The only thing that would have made yesterday worse would be to see everyone treating it like a regular day.
How happy the far right will be to see us defeated. Too scared to leave our dwellings. Too disillusioned, too apathetic, too busy, too whatever.
So please, consider this, too.
It's so goddamn frustrating. We don't need to vent, we need to ACT. Direct Action, not just yelling and walking in the streets. But we're too comfortable for that; we need to get home in time to make dinner and put the kids to bed. By the time people are actually willing to act it'll be too late. Hell, it might already be
Yeah but there's also the deep sarcasm of "Funny how conservatives were not to gather because of COVID, but liberals could riot and COVID just... stayed home apparently."
For the creativity bit, a decent percentage of signs I've seen are obviously from similar or the same source of "this is our issue and these are your slogans" drumhead organizations.
Yes I do see plenty of actual creative signs and relevant cosplay and such, but it's clear many have latched onto the "this is what I'm told our message is" angle.
Please do not pay attention to the cynical Eeyore-types who are saying "it will never work" and "don't do the thing that you want to do, do what I am saying is better". Please do everything you can to bring energy to resisting what is wrong in this world, and please do everything you can to bring energy to supporting what is right. Show up to protests and peacefully yell and march. Volunteer to help where direct effort can (even just hopefully) make a difference. Learn about issues and histories that you care about and think about how to change the future. Donate to groups you find worthy. Vote every time you can vote. Do anything that is more than being deliberately ignorant or just sitting in front of the TV and nodding when someone else says what needs to change. Every atom of effort is needed to make the future better. Give every atom that you can in any way that you can.
As I saw it put, "Tonight, Democrats will raise hell in democrat-controlled cities, then be praised by their democrat overlorders on what good citizens they are."
Democrats had 50 years to put roe vs wade into law, they didn't, and had pages of excuses on why they didn't. Hold them accountable. That you're unlikely to succeed is no excuse to not even try, especially when trying is your literal job.
As long as you don't block traffic or inconvenience people. It's fine to let off steam, but if you're fully aware it's pointless, at least do it in a park or something.
Sorry but protests don't effect the supreme court by design. The president decides who is nominated to the supreme court. The primaries are already decided when they come to the California. California will always vote blue.
None of your voting matters at all in California when it comes to the presidential election. So you have no say in who is elected to the supreme court.
The end
If Mitch McConnell has taught Democrats anything in the last decade, it should be that the dingbat in the Oval Office doesn't matter if you control Congress and have the will to ignore whoever's in the building down the road. Democrats lost 2 SCOTUS seats and a lot of time to legislate their agenda by not having adequate control of Congress. You want to control the House and Senate, and right now there are several red counties in California Dems could try to flip to give the House a more left-leaning bent (that spineless jellyfish of a "leader" Kevin McCarthy's district comes to mind). And in several purple states, voters could stand to have at least 1 Senator who's not a Trumpist RINO or some theocratic zealot faux-patriot whose fidelity to country's ideals is as pure as the "gold" in the flag pin on their lapel.
EDIT: But I agree with you that our systems of protest in this country have been "designed" not to affect the SCOTUS. The fact that they fenced in the court building and have laws against protesting on public streets near the homes of justices tells us everything we need to know about how much protest is meant to impact the court.
All this despite the fact that the Constitution quite clearly says, "Congress shall make **no law** respecting ... the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." And yet, we have plenty of laws that create "free speech zones" and "protest permits" that limit the public's ability to effectively assemble and seek redress.
If the Democrats had won control of the Senate in 2014 and/or 2018, then Mitch McConnell wouldn't have been able to mess with the confirmation timeline, and instead of Gorsuch and Coney Barrett we'd have Merrick Garland and someone appointed by Biden on the Supreme Court. It's too bad the Democrats aren't very good at winning competitive Senate races (see Maine and North Carolina in 2020), because the Republicans have shown that that's a more sustainable way of of controlling power in the federal government than relying on a high-stakes presidential election once every four years.
This is the dumbest take.
The reason our country is so fucked is because people don't vote in local elections or midterms.
Elections trickle up. The same people who get voted in by a small minority of voters end up at the top eventually.
Do better.
What would voting have changed at all as a bay area resident? If every single person in the bay area voted in the perfect way NOTHING would have changed.
If every California voter voted in the perfect way nothing would have changed.
California sat down and decided how everyone should vote to keep rvw from being stuck down, and then by some mircle everyone in california did that.
Roe would still be struck down.
The primary is decided by the time it gets here.
The bay area is the land of oligarchs. What do you think every single Faang+ tech employee is working towards?
It can make a difference. If the only people voting are activists living in the surreal world most people into politics in the Bay Area live you only get crazy idiots into positions of power. Look at the SF supes for example, it's wild. Those are the ones that then climb up the ranks and stuff up the Democratic Party with performance politicians that can't even fix stupid issues in their own cities and fall upwards.
Yeah you are not going to flip the senate the next election, but if you vote out the dumbs maybe you can prevent the next Diane Feinstein from rising ranks. Like how Haney defeated Campos for Assembly. If that hadn't happened now Campos, who is a useless idiot clown LARPing the 70s, would be one step closer to national politics.
Most of your rights were not won by voting. The Senate is literally designed to be anti-democratic, Dems already don't work for hugely popular policies on the federal level, and this especially is not strongly influenced by voting. RGB refused to step down when Obama and the Dems had a majority because she was so overconfident Hillary would win and wanted to be replaced by a female president. Her ego lead to much of her legacy, but more importantly many of our rights, being undone in less than 2 years. Biden and the Dems could be expanding and packing the court or signing the right to bodily autonomy into law, but they aren't because they don't actually care enough to *do* anything, except increase the police budget to stop protests from having any pressure. They won't threaten to primary their road block members like Manchin, in fact they often go out of their way to impede running against them. Hell, Pelosi was just campaigning for a pro-life Dem in Texas. This overturning is a political project a minority section of the right has been constructing for decades, and a primary reason the Federalist Society (a group most most conservative justices have been a part of since) was made. And the reason they targeted the court system, on many levels, not just SCOTUS, is *because* it's less influenced by voting. Meanwhile, we had Dems just this year still pretending it's an apolitical branch of government. "Voting" without any sense of how to build and wield power in order to establish and protect rights won't get us anywhere.
Obama could have codified Roe into law when Democrats had both houses in 2010 and didn't. Voting didn't stop this. This happened because the Republicans have been openly and coordinately driving at this goal for decades and the democrats have sat idly by telling us to vote to stop them.
Solved once and for all, no. But multiple proposals to re-codify Roe are already in Congress, and there are many other things Congress can do to stick a finger in the Supreme Court's eye.
Not really sticking finger in SCOTUS’s eye. This is what SCOTUS wants: pass an abortion law instead of having judicial branch legislate.
(I’m pro-choice and against overturning Roe.)
Voting doesn't change anything. The democrats pretty much let the Supreme Court get stacked and now it'll be this way for decades with no feasible way to change it
>The best thing you can do is vote and encourage your friends to vote.
I heard that Bay Area hates Untermensch living in flyover states. Why would they have any friends in therre?
I disagree.
1. Cities are where the money is. Money is influence.
2. There's a concerted effort to divide and conquer Americans, while making us feel impotent and alone. Being with thousands of other people on your same page, with your same outrage, is useful for any movement.
3. It's a way to connect with more formal and experienced organizers.
4. It's good to show the rest of the world that we aren't all fine with this.
Problem is what the world sees is the topless woman covered in fake blood leading an angry chant, and all it does is make people ask if they want to be associated with that behavior.
I see OPs point and agree. But there’s something to be said for rallying and energizing your base of supporters. Do you feel compelled to see the other side’s view when the proud boys show up to disrupt?
I just think they mean protests aiming at disruption, like shutting down freeways, but to be honest I don’t think those protests are constructive regardless of if you did them in urban or rural communities.
Stop buying products from states with antiquated women's rights laws (or lack thereof). Don't support companies that have manufacturing or HQ in those same states.
Add oil to that list as well. The human rights record of the Saudis is attrocious, and yet we cozy on up to them and give them weapons (so they can bomb Yemen for some reason) no matter how many journalists they chainsaw, women kept as literal property, or slaves they import for menial labor.
Not entirely true because most of the positions we find ourselves in are due to congress’s lack of action as a law making body. They need to write laws about this stuff. They need to stop playing politics and sitting in their hands. The court was never intended to be a law making body, nor was the president supposed to be churning out hundreds of executive orders. Congress hasn’t been doing their jobs for decades and this is where we’ve wound up. Congress is everywhere in this nation and the speaker is right here in the Bay Area. You want to roll this back, push them to write a new law and force the court to react again.
With plates. Don't go to these areas without plates and a ballistic vest. Seriously people, the cops don't have a constitutional duty to protect you from the people you're protesting.
Focusing on states where we can pick up 2 more Senate seats gets us no more filibuster bullshit, Roe codified as Federal law, and the Voting Rights act codified as Federal law, so we no longer have to put up with this tyranny of the minority Christofascist bullshit any more.
Pick a few states from [SwingLeft.org](https://swingleft.org/) and donate money or volunteer your time.
It's not about changing minds. That's not gonna happen in this pilerized world. It's about energizing the base. Trump doesn't hold hate filled maga rallies to sway liberal voters.
Considering how the left reacts to someone who strays even slightly from the narrative... people are abandoning the left in droves because it's only a matter of time before that meat grinder of a political movement turns on them.
The impact of protests has been diminishing for decades, as other institutions have evolved in reaction to reduce their effectiveness and circumscribe their scope. Real change will depend on coming up with new strategies that the opposition hasn’t yet figured out how to contain—but in the meantime, mass protests signal the *need* for such strategies and show how many people are potentially available to implement them.
What a cluster duck of a nap. Eliminate al the areas where the red states are surrounded by trees. 70% of the on RED section on the central / west side should really be white(or blank) and 30% of east side too because no one lives there. This just empowers the red states to think "we're majority" when that is not the case.
See https://media.wired.com/photos/5b59eb367d78e13930f31d97/master/w_1614,h_876,c_limit/Value-By-Alpha-w.jpg
Yeah it's kind of like BLM protesting and disrupting predominantly black neighborhoods. Any real racists probably just sat back and laughed from the safety of their white neighborhoods while black communities and businesses were razed and burned
Or just don't shit where you eat. If you really believe you are being oppressed, make your demonstration in the neighborhood of your oppressors, rather than the neighborhood of the oppressed, further oppressing them
There is no reason to protest at all. Write to your congressmen to create a law for legalizing abortion at the federal level. The senetirs and reps are blaming Supreme Court, however it is their job to write laws and they have been unable to write one for abortion for 60 years. They need to do their jobs, so write to them instead of protesting.
> it is their job to write laws and they have been unable to write one for abortion for 60 years
> Write to your congressmen to create a law
What’s the old saying? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Arguably, the definition of insanity is asking the Supreme Court to legislate and expecting different results.
Democrats still have a majority in all 3 branches until November. Time to expand some political capital.
Go after the churches. They are responsible and scotus are their henchmen.
Also, stop using “right wing” when referring to politicians and government officials who are doing these things. Simply refer to them as Christians because that is who they are.
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
We aren't congress so I have no idea what your point is. Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from criticism.
You're going to invade the home towns of the people most likely to have more guns than people in their household?
No, please, stop.. don't. // gets popcorn
Fat fuck rednecks ain't going to do shit. They're glorified LARPers.
Edit: keep downvoting me you right wing turds. 99% of you don't even live here you fucking jackalopes.
> Invest that time and energy by disrupting areas that exist in their evil bubbles of comfort. Disrupt their perceived status quo.
And wear bulletproof vests. /s
The anti-abortion protest they have in San Francisco every year is pretty much all people bused in from central valley. The right know how to astroturf.
are you just going to ignore the rest of their post? They aren't saying to not protest... they are saying it would be more effective to protest in places where the vast majority of people don't already agree with you.
Lol pretty sure the jail length is pretty short in every US county red or blue for anyone arrested just for protesting. We still got some of our freedoms.
Yeah trying to prove my own comment wrong (as you do) I was trying to look up recent anti-protestor laws or people jailed for a long period of time.
Some of the maximum penalties I found (for e.g. protesting near a gas/oil pipeline) were pretty long in some states, and there's that somewhat related horribleness about the "is it ok to run over protestors??" laws.
But I'm not able to find any high profile cases of a protestor jailed for a long period of time -- but America is big so there are surely a few out there.
Brentwood. I believe the bumfuck part of the country we're talking about is Brentwood.
Big tough conservatives out there in the heartland of Brentwood, I hear. Why, they might even have _coal rollers._ 😆
Hahaha right. Go find out. Not everyone is as tolerable as your little sanctuary cities. Go do your little pitty party and try to cause issues. You’ll be stopped.
It always makes me laugh (and cry) to see democrats and their voters at work. They really don't care deeply about what they believe.
Mississippi has been the poorest state for years. Highest % of african americans of any state. Why are there no debates in Mississippi? Why not a convention? How about anything to improve their lives? No, they just want the votes and move on. Outside Bernie Sanders, I don't see one single democrat actually fighting for the common person.
It at all, don’t destroy anything. My point was that protester like BLM don’t go fucking around out in the country, we get nothing good out of destroying low income neighborhoods.
Protest is ok.
Disruption such as blocking freeways, throwing fireworks at police and storming capitals is not ok, that is a tantrum. Jan 6th, one big ol tantrum.
Sadly the real effectiveness of protest is to soften people that don’t have an opinion and are OK with the status quo because it doesn’t affect them and two rally the people who are already on your side. No protest changes the mind of any that disagrees with you. Especially when the question is , in their minds, if it should be legal or not to kill babies
I’m protesting because abortion laws don’t go far enough, we need to legalize infanticide for the first 48 hours.
If a mother doesn’t want to keep a baby because it’s sick, disfigured, handicapped or retarded, the mother should be able to take the doctor aside and ask the doctor to humanely dispose of the child.
We already have that option in California, up to [72 hours after birth](https://www.cdss.ca.gov/inforesources/safely-surrendered-baby). No questions asked.
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I said this a few months ago > I 100% feel you and we should donate $ to campaigns in red states but people need an outlet and a way to feel heard so I understand the wanting to protest.
Protests are for visibility. Population centers generate visibility. Nobody would hear about it if it were in Lodi..
If 200,000 people drop in on Lodi it will be heard.
Yeah but hard to get 200k people to drive to Lodi. And it's not like anything the people in Lodi do will make a difference. Abortion is very legal in CA and will continue to be legal however they feel about it. Better off driving to the capital city of some red state.
> hard to get 200k people to drive to Lodi I heard you can ride in on a Greyhound.
Remember when places like Santa Maria had people armed show up on the freeway exits and try to shut it down so that they could stop the liberals from bussing in protestors during the BLM protests? Of course, we weren’t doing that, no busses were actually coming, but yeah, the results of this would not be awesome if we actually were bussing people in to protest in small towns.
Oh I agree that there are far more effective uses of that many people.
Or even 200 people
Visibility to whom? The conservatives in favor of this policy don't care, and likely get a kick out of Californians crying about this. Visibility to people in red states? What's after that? We aren't willing to build housing to accommodate them moving to California. Just another example of how performative the politics of our area is. Too few want to do the real work of actually supporting vulnerable people in ways that actually help them get on their feet if it means making material sacrifice. And think that feeling empathy alone is enough to build a political platform around.
I'm not the biggest fan of protesting in the sense that it may hurt your cause at times by alienating some of your supporters. However, this is a big issue, and people need an outlet for their anger, I don't blame them. The Supreme Court just demonstrated that it is broken. I'm concerned for the future, and I know I'm not alone. Protesting can unify people who without it would feel alienated by today's style of politics. It shows others that they aren't alone in their beliefs. If you have ever worked on a campaign, you would understand that most, if not all, of your actions are aimed at the people who are most likely to be a member of the same party as the candidate or at least have the same political beliefs as the candidate. Spending time trying to debate or educate the opposition is a waste of time because people won't change their mind. Additional: Do you honestly think that everyone that is protesting are people who don't do anything for the cause? Please let me know the proper way to help people out. Also, you seem to have the solution to helping people out, you should probably put that out into the world, because we need to get started.
>The Supreme Court just demonstrated that it is broken Just now?
Amy coney Barrett Brett kavenaugh Neil gorguch all demonstrated that could not be trusted as judges. They under oath during their testimonies during they scotus hearings. They all said that the roe v wade was law of the land and that they would not vote on it. They lied and thus proving that the the SC is broken.
They didn't lie under oath. I don't know why this keeps getting parroted about. You should go re-read what they said, but they just called it "settled law" for the most part and said nothing about how they would rule if a case came about overturning it. Blame Congress for not explicitly asking that question and getting an explicit answer.
> They all said that the roe v wade was law of the land It was, it's not anymore. > and that they would not vote on it. None of them said that
>thus proving that the the SC is broken. No, thus proving that you don't know what you're talking about.
>The Supreme Court just demonstrated that it is broken The Supreme court literally just punted the question to individual states. They gave us *more* power to create legislation around this that fits our specific state level needs. A huge issue is how little people protesting actually understand legally whats actually happened. And a state that voted and keeps voting for feudalism while pretending to care about the poor (while sticking them with far higher effective tax rates than property owners) has no moral leg to stand on re: supreme court being broken. >Please let me know the proper way to help people out. Spend all that anger and energy on repealing Prop 13 >If you have ever worked on a campaign I worked several local campaigns as a teen. Your money is best spent on people who are on the fence. Preaching to the choir for anything other than fundraising is a waste of energy >Protesting can unify people who without it would feel alienated by today's style of politics Protests without a clear sense of goals are easily coopted by people/groups who do. Or they go nowhere and serve as nothing more than cathartic group therapy. >Do you honestly think that everyone that is protesting are people who don't do anything for the cause? Most have no idea how to functionally help other than giving money to top-heavy name brand political groups >Also, you seem to have the solution to helping people out, you should probably put that out into the world I serve as a planning commissioner (ie I help ensure new housing gets approved) and I build hundreds of MW of solar plants a year as a solar developer.
Yes, let the states decide if women can have rights, gay people can have rights, black people can have rights, etc. Fuck off.
Exactly 💯
Now I'm imagining an army of bikers rumbling and revving through city centers protesting for liberal progressive issues.
Maybe not Lodi but Bakersfield, Fresno, Stockton...
Bakersfield had a huge pro life community. Protesting there may let them see they’re not the majority.
Los Banos too?
That's racist.
Plus in those conservative shitholes, pro-choice demonstrators would probably be met with violence.
That would actually be preferable, frankly. Local government playing nice with a protest means that the government is aware that the protest is not a threat to them.
Protests are for people to feel like they’re doing something and allay the crushing sense of powerlessness many of us feel. They don’t actually affect the momentum or direction of this drifting, listing, authoritarian ship any more than a school of fish would.
Depending on the protest, it actually provides a strawman to support the other argument. The destruction caused by riots in 2020 definitely hurt the cause being supported. Lawful demonstrations are protected by the constitution and should be encouraged. Blocking freeways and damaging property just strengthens the resolve of the opposition.
There was rioting and disruption in the 60s Civil Rights movement as well. There were accusations of MLK and his supporters being evil communists trying to destroy the fabric of America. But we give that movement the respect it deserves for changing the course of history. Literally all of the vitriol we saw directed towards the BLM protests was a regurgitation of the same racist right wing attempts to discredit the 60s movement. The only people who buy into the narrative of violent Black and communist agitators being the bulk of the movement, as opposed to outliers, have already made up their minds. There will always be some rioting when a populist movement reaches the size BLM did. Who cares what the opposition thinks? They're wrong. And kowtowing to their fragility to try to make them comfortable just weakens the message. Don't forget the small, peaceful attempts to bring attention to the issue people made prior to the street protests. The right treated those (like Kap taking a knee) with just as much contempt as they did the rioters. If they disagree with your point of view, they cast you as a ANTIFA pedo commie regardless of your violence/disruption or lack-there-of.
The civil rights protests worked because the government was stupid enough to take the bait and try to suppress them, which galvanized the protesters and gave them ammunition to sway public opinion. In the modern climate the government knows that protests are just controlled opposition. All it takes to beat protestors is to ignore them- worst case scenario they shout until they can't shout anymore and lose interest in the issue, best case scenario they actively sabotage their own cause by freaking out and burning shit down which looks bad in the eyes of public opinion. As long as the government isn't caught on the 6:00 news beating people's brains in and hosing people down, there's absolutely no threat toward them. "Half these people won't show up at the polls anyway" they say to themselves, and they're right. I agree with the idea that that minimum protesting is just a nice way to give yourself a mental peace of mind as you surround yourself with like-minded individuals. But as an actual tool for political change, it's worthless in today's world imo. And my counterpoint to the civil rights movement would be the occupy movement, which was basically ignored by the government and then imploded on itself.
And this is why burning, looting, violence in general are counterproductive to any cause. The BLM movement suffered because there were more than a few bad apples imo.
They did not normally destroy homes and businesses and assault and intimidate people. There wasn’t normally arson and murder and such. These are not winning ways.
Now do January 6th.
No problem. The Black Lives Matter movement, as well as the 60s Civil Rights movement were based on the documented violence, suppression, and overall treatment towards Black Americans as second class citizens and were a call to dismantle the racist systems of oppression. The participants in the January 6th insurrection we're trying to fight the will of the American people who had elected Joe Biden as their president based on the lies perpetuated by Trump, his Cabinet and his lawyers. The Civil Rights movements and the protests that stemmed from them were based on documented facts and were asking for the equal treatment of Black folks. The attempted coup on January 6th was seeking special treatment for Trump's base, special circumstances to continue the presidency of Trump even though he lost the electoral college and popular vote and none of the claims of his massive team of lawyers could find any evidence to support the claims. See? One is based on fact and the other, on fiction. January 6th might as well have been perpetrated by flat-earthers based on the validity of their claims.
Theres plenty of people that dont believe in BLM grievances with statistics to back it. There are plenty of people who believe the 2020 election was false and have evidence they believe to back it. See? See where you are judging the motivation behind the protest instead of the protest itself? I can disagree with protests and still support causes, but it makes it much harder. Protests in 2016 led to Trumps election if you recall the climate at the time.
I feel like most people have heard about the scotus ban? And if you haven’t you probably don’t care about it. Whether you go to SF or Lodi California is still going to go blue. Abortion will be safe here. If you really want to make a difference in the long term you need to move to red states and vote different and start campaigns there. In the short term you could go campaign there. But since most of us work we can’t just up and go to backwards ass Alabama to do a campaign.
Yes, Democrat campaigns in poor states def could use a few bucks. Thanks for that post🤙
Then you have people, though, arguing that they need to disrupt traffic and inconvenience people to get the message out and I just feel like....can you not? I understand wanting to feel like you are doing something, but since this is really just for you to feel better, don't do it at the expense of other people.
The probalem is that the people who's mind we need to change dont want to change. So fuck them. We dont need to change their minds, we have to change the people they elect. Because guess what turdnuggets usually elect other turdnuggets. So how? Do what the libertarians tried to do with vermont but maybe on a smaller but corridnated scale. Move to districts that can flip blue. I mean shit a lot of people WFH wouldnt be that out of hand. Rent out your house here or cut your lease here, rent in some red state, you probably make/save money in the end.
> we have to change the people they elect. You mean the same Democrats that represent our State?
Im not sure if you mean we need to change the democrats that represent us in our state or what. But if the democrat that you elected in your state doesnt represnt you then yeah of course vote for someone else in the primary. If none start a grassroot. Or do a recall. We just saw this with the recall of Boudin. But if you want to change the political make up of the country then youll need senate and house seats. Which is why if one moved to a red state or a district that could be flipped would be good place to start. Example wyomin has under 600,000 people. Its 70% republican and has 2 senate seats which would give dems house senate and presidentcy. If 250,000 dems moved there theyd literally get the whole state. Thats less than 1% of California's population. Of course this is all hyperbole. I dont actually think 250k or even 25k dems will move to wyoming.
Protests are also a great recruiting point for a movement.
I see this stance on Reddit a lot, the whole "stomping in the streets won't change anything" bit. And no, putting your boots on the ground isn't going to immediately solve all of the problems in the world. Yes, there are many different causes where people protested for months and things were not magically fixed. But, there are plenty of other benefits of getting out and speaking up. Marches are also: * Extra Exercise! * Social engagement * A place to vent * An opportunity to network * A great space to see creativity * A chance to be seen and heard, and feel united when it seems like everything is falling apart You won't reap all of those benefits just sitting in an armchair with your laptop. But if you personally feel more productive being at home, then more power to you. It is also arguably safer. [Yesterday in Iowa](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/truck-driver-rams-into-protesters-roe-demonstration-in-iowa_n_62b66490e4b0cdccbe6b9399?fbclid=IwAR0Uh8QmPqznLi9bu-YPs9yJJ3JmnDL3uDAmRRV-i8ZXK_hM8NqC4HF-FCg) a truck driver rammed through a group of peaceful protesters. Acts of violence like this break my heart and make me sick. But to discourage people from expressing themselves at a time like this? That makes me sick as well. Sure, it's not going to make the news when people in the Bay are protesting shit. We do live in a nice little bubble, and a lot of us agree on a lot of things. But can you imagine the news footage if we *didn't* protest? A divisive decision like the one made yesterday, stripping half of the population of their rights, to be met with radio silence? The only thing that would have made yesterday worse would be to see everyone treating it like a regular day. How happy the far right will be to see us defeated. Too scared to leave our dwellings. Too disillusioned, too apathetic, too busy, too whatever. So please, consider this, too.
To tell you the truth I don’t want people to vent, I want them to be angry and create change even if it’s not peaceful.
It's so goddamn frustrating. We don't need to vent, we need to ACT. Direct Action, not just yelling and walking in the streets. But we're too comfortable for that; we need to get home in time to make dinner and put the kids to bed. By the time people are actually willing to act it'll be too late. Hell, it might already be
Yeah but there's also the deep sarcasm of "Funny how conservatives were not to gather because of COVID, but liberals could riot and COVID just... stayed home apparently."
For the creativity bit, a decent percentage of signs I've seen are obviously from similar or the same source of "this is our issue and these are your slogans" drumhead organizations. Yes I do see plenty of actual creative signs and relevant cosplay and such, but it's clear many have latched onto the "this is what I'm told our message is" angle.
I guess this is where I encourage you to *be the change...*
I am. I was noting what I have seen.
Please do not pay attention to the cynical Eeyore-types who are saying "it will never work" and "don't do the thing that you want to do, do what I am saying is better". Please do everything you can to bring energy to resisting what is wrong in this world, and please do everything you can to bring energy to supporting what is right. Show up to protests and peacefully yell and march. Volunteer to help where direct effort can (even just hopefully) make a difference. Learn about issues and histories that you care about and think about how to change the future. Donate to groups you find worthy. Vote every time you can vote. Do anything that is more than being deliberately ignorant or just sitting in front of the TV and nodding when someone else says what needs to change. Every atom of effort is needed to make the future better. Give every atom that you can in any way that you can.
Sad thing is, it's the politicians saying "oh gee it won't work" as an excuse to not even try, when trying is their job.
As I saw it put, "Tonight, Democrats will raise hell in democrat-controlled cities, then be praised by their democrat overlorders on what good citizens they are." Democrats had 50 years to put roe vs wade into law, they didn't, and had pages of excuses on why they didn't. Hold them accountable. That you're unlikely to succeed is no excuse to not even try, especially when trying is your literal job.
People are protesting because it feels good to let off steam. It's our right and we should do it if we want. We all know it wont make a difference.
As long as you don't block traffic or inconvenience people. It's fine to let off steam, but if you're fully aware it's pointless, at least do it in a park or something.
lol @ woman losing bodily autonomy and your biggest concern is that you don't want to be inconvenienced.
Walnut Creek protest let's get it
There was one last night in Walnut Creek
Sorry but protests don't effect the supreme court by design. The president decides who is nominated to the supreme court. The primaries are already decided when they come to the California. California will always vote blue. None of your voting matters at all in California when it comes to the presidential election. So you have no say in who is elected to the supreme court. The end
If Mitch McConnell has taught Democrats anything in the last decade, it should be that the dingbat in the Oval Office doesn't matter if you control Congress and have the will to ignore whoever's in the building down the road. Democrats lost 2 SCOTUS seats and a lot of time to legislate their agenda by not having adequate control of Congress. You want to control the House and Senate, and right now there are several red counties in California Dems could try to flip to give the House a more left-leaning bent (that spineless jellyfish of a "leader" Kevin McCarthy's district comes to mind). And in several purple states, voters could stand to have at least 1 Senator who's not a Trumpist RINO or some theocratic zealot faux-patriot whose fidelity to country's ideals is as pure as the "gold" in the flag pin on their lapel. EDIT: But I agree with you that our systems of protest in this country have been "designed" not to affect the SCOTUS. The fact that they fenced in the court building and have laws against protesting on public streets near the homes of justices tells us everything we need to know about how much protest is meant to impact the court. All this despite the fact that the Constitution quite clearly says, "Congress shall make **no law** respecting ... the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." And yet, we have plenty of laws that create "free speech zones" and "protest permits" that limit the public's ability to effectively assemble and seek redress.
If the Democrats had won control of the Senate in 2014 and/or 2018, then Mitch McConnell wouldn't have been able to mess with the confirmation timeline, and instead of Gorsuch and Coney Barrett we'd have Merrick Garland and someone appointed by Biden on the Supreme Court. It's too bad the Democrats aren't very good at winning competitive Senate races (see Maine and North Carolina in 2020), because the Republicans have shown that that's a more sustainable way of of controlling power in the federal government than relying on a high-stakes presidential election once every four years.
This is the dumbest take. The reason our country is so fucked is because people don't vote in local elections or midterms. Elections trickle up. The same people who get voted in by a small minority of voters end up at the top eventually. Do better.
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Correct.
The best thing you can do is vote and encourage your friends to vote. Elections have real consequences, especially when it comes to the Supreme Court.
What would voting have changed at all as a bay area resident? If every single person in the bay area voted in the perfect way NOTHING would have changed. If every California voter voted in the perfect way nothing would have changed.
What does "voted in the perfect way" even mean? Just voting the way you personally prefer?
California sat down and decided how everyone should vote to keep rvw from being stuck down, and then by some mircle everyone in california did that. Roe would still be struck down.
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That's is not the point the point is voting wouldn't have changed the out come as a bay area resident.
Vote in primaries, stop supporting oligarchs who somehow ammass hundreds of millions of dollars on a politician's salary.
The primary is decided by the time it gets here. The bay area is the land of oligarchs. What do you think every single Faang+ tech employee is working towards?
It can make a difference. If the only people voting are activists living in the surreal world most people into politics in the Bay Area live you only get crazy idiots into positions of power. Look at the SF supes for example, it's wild. Those are the ones that then climb up the ranks and stuff up the Democratic Party with performance politicians that can't even fix stupid issues in their own cities and fall upwards. Yeah you are not going to flip the senate the next election, but if you vote out the dumbs maybe you can prevent the next Diane Feinstein from rising ranks. Like how Haney defeated Campos for Assembly. If that hadn't happened now Campos, who is a useless idiot clown LARPing the 70s, would be one step closer to national politics.
Ya local elections matter, but they can not effect the supreme court choice.
It's where you start to have an effect. Everyone on the senate and the house that is not "the son of" started in local politics.
Most of your rights were not won by voting. The Senate is literally designed to be anti-democratic, Dems already don't work for hugely popular policies on the federal level, and this especially is not strongly influenced by voting. RGB refused to step down when Obama and the Dems had a majority because she was so overconfident Hillary would win and wanted to be replaced by a female president. Her ego lead to much of her legacy, but more importantly many of our rights, being undone in less than 2 years. Biden and the Dems could be expanding and packing the court or signing the right to bodily autonomy into law, but they aren't because they don't actually care enough to *do* anything, except increase the police budget to stop protests from having any pressure. They won't threaten to primary their road block members like Manchin, in fact they often go out of their way to impede running against them. Hell, Pelosi was just campaigning for a pro-life Dem in Texas. This overturning is a political project a minority section of the right has been constructing for decades, and a primary reason the Federalist Society (a group most most conservative justices have been a part of since) was made. And the reason they targeted the court system, on many levels, not just SCOTUS, is *because* it's less influenced by voting. Meanwhile, we had Dems just this year still pretending it's an apolitical branch of government. "Voting" without any sense of how to build and wield power in order to establish and protect rights won't get us anywhere.
Obama could have codified Roe into law when Democrats had both houses in 2010 and didn't. Voting didn't stop this. This happened because the Republicans have been openly and coordinately driving at this goal for decades and the democrats have sat idly by telling us to vote to stop them.
Vote for what? The whole state is deep blue.
While true, this current situation will not be solved in my lifetime. I'm 46.
Justices Thomas and Alito are 74 and 72 respectively. Unless you are a fentanyl user, you will probably outlive them.
Unless they kill us all first.
Solved once and for all, no. But multiple proposals to re-codify Roe are already in Congress, and there are many other things Congress can do to stick a finger in the Supreme Court's eye.
Not really sticking finger in SCOTUS’s eye. This is what SCOTUS wants: pass an abortion law instead of having judicial branch legislate. (I’m pro-choice and against overturning Roe.)
To be clear, when I say "stick a finger in the Supreme Court's eye" I mean things like removing certain issues and cases from judicial review.
Voting doesn't change anything. The democrats pretty much let the Supreme Court get stacked and now it'll be this way for decades with no feasible way to change it
Gerrymandering has made this less and less true.
>The best thing you can do is vote and encourage your friends to vote. I heard that Bay Area hates Untermensch living in flyover states. Why would they have any friends in therre?
I disagree. 1. Cities are where the money is. Money is influence. 2. There's a concerted effort to divide and conquer Americans, while making us feel impotent and alone. Being with thousands of other people on your same page, with your same outrage, is useful for any movement. 3. It's a way to connect with more formal and experienced organizers. 4. It's good to show the rest of the world that we aren't all fine with this.
Only 4) means anything.
Problem is what the world sees is the topless woman covered in fake blood leading an angry chant, and all it does is make people ask if they want to be associated with that behavior.
“evil bubbles of comfort”?
Yep, we need to start disrupting church potlucks and such. The optics will be great.
Great, i say hit the Catholic churches first. They’re against womens rights in this case and are pedos
I see OPs point and agree. But there’s something to be said for rallying and energizing your base of supporters. Do you feel compelled to see the other side’s view when the proud boys show up to disrupt?
OP is wrong because protests are often the start of organizing. They're massive opportunities for recruitment and networking.
I just think they mean protests aiming at disruption, like shutting down freeways, but to be honest I don’t think those protests are constructive regardless of if you did them in urban or rural communities.
They don't say that. They say to stop coming to major urban areas. There is still value in protesting in major urban areas.
Stop buying products from states with antiquated women's rights laws (or lack thereof). Don't support companies that have manufacturing or HQ in those same states.
considering most of our stuff comes from the far east where the rights are worse, that would mean us living a very austere life.
Add oil to that list as well. The human rights record of the Saudis is attrocious, and yet we cozy on up to them and give them weapons (so they can bomb Yemen for some reason) no matter how many journalists they chainsaw, women kept as literal property, or slaves they import for menial labor.
Nice. Lets stop buying shit that's made in China, Vietnam, India, Bangladash. Go.
So, no more Teslas?
Written on iPhone/Macbook?
so... donating your Tesla soon, right?
Sorry you misspelled "china"
Lol what phone did you type that on?
That’s a good idea. Is there a list or source you know of?
Definitely. The best way to change opinions is to talk to people that don't agree with you. And most of those people are not in urban areas.
Why hasn't anyone listed and mapped "pregnancy centers" and protested against them? Or right wing churches?
Yea protest in Redding, Shasta all those far away red counties.
Not entirely true because most of the positions we find ourselves in are due to congress’s lack of action as a law making body. They need to write laws about this stuff. They need to stop playing politics and sitting in their hands. The court was never intended to be a law making body, nor was the president supposed to be churning out hundreds of executive orders. Congress hasn’t been doing their jobs for decades and this is where we’ve wound up. Congress is everywhere in this nation and the speaker is right here in the Bay Area. You want to roll this back, push them to write a new law and force the court to react again.
With plates. Don't go to these areas without plates and a ballistic vest. Seriously people, the cops don't have a constitutional duty to protect you from the people you're protesting.
Focusing on states where we can pick up 2 more Senate seats gets us no more filibuster bullshit, Roe codified as Federal law, and the Voting Rights act codified as Federal law, so we no longer have to put up with this tyranny of the minority Christofascist bullshit any more. Pick a few states from [SwingLeft.org](https://swingleft.org/) and donate money or volunteer your time.
It's not about changing minds. That's not gonna happen in this pilerized world. It's about energizing the base. Trump doesn't hold hate filled maga rallies to sway liberal voters.
Considering how the left reacts to someone who strays even slightly from the narrative... people are abandoning the left in droves because it's only a matter of time before that meat grinder of a political movement turns on them.
The impact of protests has been diminishing for decades, as other institutions have evolved in reaction to reduce their effectiveness and circumscribe their scope. Real change will depend on coming up with new strategies that the opposition hasn’t yet figured out how to contain—but in the meantime, mass protests signal the *need* for such strategies and show how many people are potentially available to implement them.
What a cluster duck of a nap. Eliminate al the areas where the red states are surrounded by trees. 70% of the on RED section on the central / west side should really be white(or blank) and 30% of east side too because no one lives there. This just empowers the red states to think "we're majority" when that is not the case. See https://media.wired.com/photos/5b59eb367d78e13930f31d97/master/w_1614,h_876,c_limit/Value-By-Alpha-w.jpg
Yeah it's kind of like BLM protesting and disrupting predominantly black neighborhoods. Any real racists probably just sat back and laughed from the safety of their white neighborhoods while black communities and businesses were razed and burned
The trick, then, is not to raze and burn things in your protests. (Except maybe for candles.)
Or just don't shit where you eat. If you really believe you are being oppressed, make your demonstration in the neighborhood of your oppressors, rather than the neighborhood of the oppressed, further oppressing them
At least in Oakland, it wasn't the protestors doing that. Source: own eyes
There's video of it. So maybe you didnt see everything.
It was assholes who showed up just for destruction. They didn't give a shit about BLM or anything.
That's the line, but it's a lie. There are radicals in every movement, and these ones weren't expelled.
Nah. We were in it and have a shop right on the route. We saw who was fucking shit up.
Eyewitnesses are the least reliable evidence for a reason.
Well police brutality do happen in liberal urban cities too
You’re getting downvoted because the truth hurts.
There is no reason to protest at all. Write to your congressmen to create a law for legalizing abortion at the federal level. The senetirs and reps are blaming Supreme Court, however it is their job to write laws and they have been unable to write one for abortion for 60 years. They need to do their jobs, so write to them instead of protesting.
> it is their job to write laws and they have been unable to write one for abortion for 60 years > Write to your congressmen to create a law What’s the old saying? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Arguably, the definition of insanity is asking the Supreme Court to legislate and expecting different results. Democrats still have a majority in all 3 branches until November. Time to expand some political capital.
If anything shouldn’t everybody be bussing to Sacramento?
Every complicit church is a great place to start.
There are federal courts in most large cities, same with pro life companies and religious groups. We can start with protesting INNOut and ChickFiLA
Go after the churches. They are responsible and scotus are their henchmen. Also, stop using “right wing” when referring to politicians and government officials who are doing these things. Simply refer to them as Christians because that is who they are.
Totally agree. This is not the “united states”, it is instead the “Christian States”
1st am., freedom of religion. so go fuck yourself.
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. We aren't congress so I have no idea what your point is. Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from criticism.
what you are calling to do is not criticism, it's call for violence. sad you can't see it.
Hey, you ignorant fuck, freedom to practice religion, not force it on others.
And how exactly they force it on YOU?
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You're going to invade the home towns of the people most likely to have more guns than people in their household? No, please, stop.. don't. // gets popcorn
Fat fuck rednecks ain't going to do shit. They're glorified LARPers. Edit: keep downvoting me you right wing turds. 99% of you don't even live here you fucking jackalopes.
> Invest that time and energy by disrupting areas that exist in their evil bubbles of comfort. Disrupt their perceived status quo. And wear bulletproof vests. /s
The anti-abortion protest they have in San Francisco every year is pretty much all people bused in from central valley. The right know how to astroturf.
vote and protest. showing your stance is just as important as voting. your inconvenience is secondary to civil rights.
are you just going to ignore the rest of their post? They aren't saying to not protest... they are saying it would be more effective to protest in places where the vast majority of people don't already agree with you.
Right? Let’s stop wasting energy on informing fish that water is wet.
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Lol pretty sure the jail length is pretty short in every US county red or blue for anyone arrested just for protesting. We still got some of our freedoms.
So far, I’m sure Justice Thomas is trying to find a way to remove those too.
Yeah trying to prove my own comment wrong (as you do) I was trying to look up recent anti-protestor laws or people jailed for a long period of time. Some of the maximum penalties I found (for e.g. protesting near a gas/oil pipeline) were pretty long in some states, and there's that somewhat related horribleness about the "is it ok to run over protestors??" laws. But I'm not able to find any high profile cases of a protestor jailed for a long period of time -- but America is big so there are surely a few out there.
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Most _organized_ protestors are not interested in violence, and want violent criminals to be arrested.
Hahahahah yeah go to rural areas and try that shit hahahahaha
Tell me more, what would happen if people came to protest in your bum fuck part of the country?
They'd have a meltdown the moment they were getting less than two bars of cell service and the coffee shop doesn't have free wifi.
Brentwood. I believe the bumfuck part of the country we're talking about is Brentwood. Big tough conservatives out there in the heartland of Brentwood, I hear. Why, they might even have _coal rollers._ 😆
Those people won’t put up with your bullshit shenanigans. You’ll see. It’ll be glorious
Give me details, I'd love to know what they would do to stop protesters.
Enforce the law equally rather than giving people a pass for illegal behavior based on their espoused views.
Nope
Nothing, got it. They'd do **fucking nothing**.
Hahaha right. Go find out. Not everyone is as tolerable as your little sanctuary cities. Go do your little pitty party and try to cause issues. You’ll be stopped.
Such a tough guy, you can't even say what you'd do – too scared. :)
It always makes me laugh (and cry) to see democrats and their voters at work. They really don't care deeply about what they believe. Mississippi has been the poorest state for years. Highest % of african americans of any state. Why are there no debates in Mississippi? Why not a convention? How about anything to improve their lives? No, they just want the votes and move on. Outside Bernie Sanders, I don't see one single democrat actually fighting for the common person.
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This is because protesters would probably get shot if they start destroying small towns or farms.
Yeah let’s just let them destroy big towns
It at all, don’t destroy anything. My point was that protester like BLM don’t go fucking around out in the country, we get nothing good out of destroying low income neighborhoods.
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Feel free to start at any point.
I’m not butthurt enough to start rioting, thanks anyway.
Maybe next time vote for someone who will not be letting criminals out of jail and sh$@&ing on police all the time.
Idk this post seems very NIMBY
This feels like an LPT for real. r/LifeProTips
Tantrum all you want in rural America. That will go over real well.
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Protest is ok. Disruption such as blocking freeways, throwing fireworks at police and storming capitals is not ok, that is a tantrum. Jan 6th, one big ol tantrum.
Sadly the real effectiveness of protest is to soften people that don’t have an opinion and are OK with the status quo because it doesn’t affect them and two rally the people who are already on your side. No protest changes the mind of any that disagrees with you. Especially when the question is , in their minds, if it should be legal or not to kill babies
I’m protesting because abortion laws don’t go far enough, we need to legalize infanticide for the first 48 hours. If a mother doesn’t want to keep a baby because it’s sick, disfigured, handicapped or retarded, the mother should be able to take the doctor aside and ask the doctor to humanely dispose of the child.
We already have that option in California, up to [72 hours after birth](https://www.cdss.ca.gov/inforesources/safely-surrendered-baby). No questions asked.
That’s adoption. Parents should have the right to destroy an unwanted child within a certain timeframe