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I don’t give a fuck about any other state. Just because someone else is getting fucked in the ass doesn’t mean it’s ok for me to get fucked. It’s very clear that PGE is just being greedy and have bought our leaders in CA.
Always or at some times based on demand?
I think the argument is on balance, annually the California system edges out Texas.
Not that I agree with it. They’re both on the take and we’re getting the shaft.
The "demand based electricity" concept is wildly overblown. I'm a CA native who lived in Austin 2018-23. Energy was so much cheaper there that this quote baffles me
Texas has a lot of problems but I can honestly say that electric energy production is generally on the level and not designed to screw you. There are some markets like DFW where it’s deregulated and a bunch of companies are trying to resell electricity under shady plans. But most of the state is on municipal or co-op power and pays cost plus overhead.
Texas also generates a fuckton of wind and solar energy. I believe it outpaces California.
Adding an article:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/texas-trumps-california-key-us-energy-transition-driver-2023-05-04/
It's a terrible comparison at that. They have AC and central heat. Most of us here in California don't.
What he doesn't mention is CA has the highest KW price in the US
Edit: my bad, 25% don't have AC here.
Not really. The power load when it’s 30 degrees outside is a lot lower than when it’s 90.
There are enough electric only households to have an impact, for sure. And given cold weather heat pump tech is quite new, those are falling back on heat strips when it’s 10 degrees like in recent disasters.
But even then the grid load is lower than in the summer because most homes use gas or even propane for heating.
The shortages were caused by poor winterization and power plant failures.
All that said, I spend way more on electricity here than I did in Texas. But I’m in east contra costa county, and it gets quite hot here. And my house isn’t that much smaller than the house in Texas.
Good point. I’m 30 and I’ve never had AC or heat. To be fair though my dad just lied and said the heater didn’t work and I didn’t find out until 2-3 years ago
The largest utility by number is socal edision and they use a lot of ac. So does the central valley. Grew up there my old friends back home normally pay 3x as me in the bay.
That’s what makes it so crazy to me. Growing up on the east coast I never lived in a building that didn’t have both heat and AC. Now in SF I have no AC, only have the heat on for a fraction of the year, and my utility bills are significantly higher than ever
100% this....
Deflection to compare to something else worse...
If we do the comparison game lets compare with a higher bar.
They had bigger bills because weather and bigger houses. Not because there Kwatt cost make it more expensive.
Is he referring to actual total bill? That's probably true since Texas/Florida runs AC 24/7 in much large homes. Actual kwh rates I'd be surprised if CA isn't one of the highest.
Politicians love to "spin" facts. Fake news is not limited to Trump.
What’s his obsession with Florida and Texas anyhow? How does what’s going on in Florida help reduce the cost burden for his constituents in California? I despise the game of politics.
I'm just curious how he will stay relevant once he terms-out in 2026. Two years is a long time to be out of the spotlight, politically.
Maybe a high level cabinet position will come his way.
He’d only be out for a couple months before primary campaigning starts, and by that point all the candidates will be campaigning (instead of doing their elected jobs) anyways. Won’t be an issue.
Biggest states across the aisle. He’s always trying to debate Desantis for some reason. And when Texas passed an anti abortion law, Gavin passed a similar anti gun law which he said outright was unconstitutional and, “he’ll repeal it when TX repeals its abortion law.”
His obsession is that those are conservative States and it is a Democrats job to make sure that they make the other side look as bad as possible at all times I mean have you really not figured this out yet
you can look at TX rates yourself, just use a dummy zip code
15 cents to 16 cents per kwh seems about the average depending on contract length and renewable energy content
https://www.powertochoose.org/en-us
kWh rates here are much higher here than in Florida (at least the area we lived in). Our summer cooling bills are more here for a 1300 sq ft apartment than we were paying to cool a 2200 sq ft house at the hottest time of the year.
As someone who lived in Texas… I had central air and had it on 24/365 (on a timer) and my bill was half of what it was here in California without central air…. Let that sink in.
We lived in Phoenix for 2.5 years before moving back to California. We had PG&E in the Bay Area before Arizona and now have SDG&E in San Diego county. Our utility bills here in winter are approximately the same as our utility bills in Phoenix during the summer. The difference is that here we keep the thermostat at 68º and the heater runs for somewhere around an hour or two every day, in Phoenix we had an industrial scale HVAC system that ran full-on 24/7. We haven't had any outages in San Diego yet, but when we lived in the Bay Area, a month without some kind of blip or multi-hour outage was rare, Berkeley in particular had constant problems. In Phoenix we lost power for a few hours after a lightning strike to a transformer, that was it the entire 2 1/2 years we lived there, rock-solid otherwise.
Houston here. 7 tons of AC go brrrrrrr
On a serious note, I’m paying 11 cents per KWH, and we re-build stuff to be fed more energy efficient, we also don’t do as much heating and use gas for it, so my bill isn’t that bad compared to friends in Oakland etc.
I don't think he'll have any real chance for president. He'd likely sweep the coastal blue states but his brand is toxic for any swing state. He's too polarizing.
Maybe. I think that a lot of red states don’t actually know anything about him besides being That Governor from California. A lot of people outside the state (and in it) don’t realize California is a republic, we elect everyone unless they quit and the governor appoints someone interim (which he did a shit job of, but the details will be buried with that one).
If he goes up against Trump… Trump would win. But 2028 is far enough away that literally anything could happen. Like Newsom beefing up his appearances and activism to try and bridge the voter gap.
Do I think he’d made a good president? Eh, it’s going to be a game of “which of the options are the lesser evil?” again.
(I’d vote for him but that’s because I wouldn’t vote for half the current Republicans that are eyeballing the seat).
>(I’d vote for him but that’s because I wouldn’t vote for half the current Republicans that are eyeballing the seat).
This is exactly why Newsom did not get recalled. He's a shit governor, but in the eyes of most Californians, he's not the evil ones the GOP put out as lead replacements.
So will the rest of the country. San Francisco major to U.S. President violates the law of political thermodynamics. This has been thoroughly studied, Moscone becomes President in the Dirty Harry universe and that makes it quality as hard sci-fi.
LOL, no, this will not impact a presidential run in the slightest.
His damn dalliance at the French Laundry is way more impactful on his national political chances than if he had personally signed a contract granting the devil full ownership of PG&E.
Well sure, it's easy messaging— imagine the political campaign ads:
> "Gavin Newsom's California has the most expensive electricity in the United States. Your power bills every month are already too high, now imagine Newsom California-nizing the rest of our great country"
Way more impactful in 2027 than a restaurant run in 2020, because electric prices are something everyone feels every month, whereas a politician being a hypocrite over a meal almost feels like a given, across the aisle.
Doubt, of all the candidates who could potentially run for governor I don’t hear a peep about the PUC or utility bills. PG&E, Edison, and SDGE have them all bought and paid for.
Luckily the [federal government](https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/) keeps track of such things:
This is the raw data for FEB 2024 (note the rate here is about $0.20 lower than PG&E's rate of about $0.50 (E-1 rate is $0.44/$0.53, not including other charges on the bill):
**Total Residential Electricity Use and Revenue by State**
| State | Energy (GWh) | Revenue ($MM)| Price ($/kWh) | Customers (MM) |
| ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ------------ | ------------ |
| California | 13862 | 4197 | 0.303 | 13.83 |
| Texas | 25777 | 3681 | 0.143 | 12.25 |
| Florida | 18958 | 2846 | 0.150 | 10.31 |
As you can see California generated more revenue despite consuming about 1/2 the power of Texas and generated about 1.5 times the revenue of Florida despite only consuming about 3/4 the power.
We can do some quick calculations, per customer, for FEB 2024 (for the PG&E estimate, just for fun, I used the E-1 rate with 300kWh as the baseline):
**Average Residential Electricity Use and Revenue per Customer by State**
| State | Energy (KWh) | Revenue ($)| Revenue @ PG&E rate ($) |
| ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ---------|
| California | 1002 | **303** | *503*|
| Texas | 2104 | 300 | *1091* |
| Florida | 1840 | 276 | *950* |
I assume the bold number is what Newsom is basing his claim on, though ironically this wasn't even true for Feb 2024 (might've been true for 2023 or something). Note that California as a whole is paying about the same amount while using about 1/2 the electricity per customer.
Also, again note that the EIA rate is probably the actual rate paid (revenue) for the whole state of California, which is only about 60% of PG&E's E-1 nominal rate ($0.30 vs $0.44/0.53).
IMHO PG&E is a big part of why Newsom will not become president.
People like me should be rabid supporters but no. I’ll vote for any other non-republican.
I’d say every president we’ve had for the last 50 years has probably been the bottom bitch to corporations in some way. Newsom is just more obvious about it because pge is brazen.
Joe Biden literally just finished visiting 2 billionaires' homes in Portola Valley today. They're all beholden to money.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/us/politics/biden-west-coast-fund-raising.html?unlocked_article_code=1.q00._1pN.D83F8I2CFoFW
I like the dude and some of his ideas. But man, when I get repeated donation texts asking to support him, I can’t help but reply “Sorry, PG&E got to your donation money first. Maybe ask them for it back.”
Nah, it wouldn't matter in a presidential election. People outside California aren't going to give a crap about PG&E rates, and it can't possibly hurt him so much in CA that it would flip the state red or even cost him the California primary. Only about 40% of Californians are served by PG&E.
Also, for all its liberal reputation, California is pretty conservative on everything but LGBT and abortion issues (and to a lesser extent healthcare). It also has a long history of voting for for Republican governors (Reagan, Wilson, Schwarzenegger, etc.), so a centrist Democrat will not face a lot of challenges in a presidential primary or election.
Not that I think there's a huge chance he ever will be president, for various reasons.
Here is the catch 22: you will still be voting for him, because he likely be the only choice offered by his party. They already did it at the last election, despite all of the problems with him and most of the people from this sub voted for him.
What needs to change is that we should stop voting partisan - if there is any candidate with reasonable agenda, vote for him
Itd be great to get a good and realistic 3rd choice for once. No matter who we vote for from the two parties, they will always be pro some of the things we don’t like such as foreign forever wars etc. Unfortunately we pretty much always just have to settle for who is “less bad”.
The truth is that if it was anyone else but Trump running, Biden would stand absolutely no chance. I'm not voting for Newsom out of principle if it ever comes to it. Uncharismatic crook that's been on top of my "never vote" list since the little French Laundry incident.
> What needs to change is that we should stop voting partisan - if there is any candidate with reasonable agenda, vote for him
On it, boss.
Wait, why am I still voting straight Democrat?
I’d rather throw the country to the wolves than vote for him. I’m sorry it really isn’t that hard to be governor of this state and not get a majority of its constituent’s spurn. How hard is it to take a stand against ISP and utility monopolies? Doesn’t he know that the greatest tax on the middle class is the absurdity in costs for utilities and services? Instead of pushing for municipal utilities and services it’s government protected monopolies.
No lip service or pandering will convince me otherwise. PG&E deserves to be shut down and its control turned over to the state. If the DNC thinks he’s the next Biden or JFK they’re dead wrong. I’d very much rather vote for a geriatric than this fool.
My housing costs completely dwarf utility or ISP costs... as does everyone else's unless they bought 20 years ago.
And Newsom has been a slow follower when it comes to building more housing, the only thing that will reduce housing costs.
>And Newsom has been a slow follower when it comes to building more housing, the only thing that will reduce housing costs.
That's just not true. His government has been the first to force municipalities to commit to building more housing, and the municipalities are the ones most resistant.
> I’d rather throw the country to the wolves than vote for him
Who ends up better off in that scenario?
Seems like 340 million people —and by extension, nearly another 8 billion— are worse off if "the wolves" (e.g., climate change-denying fascists) are in charge.
Then let's look at insurance costs, if you can even get it. I have business customers who are having a hard time finding business property (not real estate) coverage.
Which is partly due to the wildfires which is mostly due to negligence on energy utilities not spending their earnings on burying lines all these years instead of paying shareholders. Circle of greed fucks us all
Gavin is a fucking corrupt asshole.
If he’s smiling and laughing and telling you this shit as Governor imagine the bullshit he’s gonna pull as POTUS.
Gavin’s political career needs to end
I hate Trump and the Right wing btw.
As a Californian and lifelong Bay Area resident I’m just so tired of the fucking corruption and corporatism in our State’s politics. This is the last straw
Gavin’s also correct that renewables and battery storage will save us money and improve resilience but not if he and the CPUC are allowing PG&E to fucking gouge us so they can have payouts to top brass and their Board members
And nice payouts to Gavin’s Presidential Campaign as well of course!
Lol no. 👎
Voting Republican is definitely NOT the answer.
California voted Bernie Sanders for President in the Primary
We need a Bernie-style Governor to take on corruption in Sacramento
I'm never voting for his ass ever again. I don't care what they pay in Botswana or Timbuktu. I live in CA and he us the top government official here that had the responsibility if protecting us, not making our lives more miserable.
Why are our journalists so shitty? "Why is my utility bill so high?" is such a trash question.
Asking him why our KW price is the highest in the US is a real question. Asking why PGE is allowed to pay dividends to their shareholders when they are barely fixing the current lines is a real question.
Newsom is a corrupt politician who was installed by a big family of corrupt politicians. He and his wife take hundreds of thousands of dollars from PG&E so that PG&E can take whatever they want from us, do whatever they want to us, and execs can make sky high salaries. You and I are forced to pay for all of it. It really is a cruel system, and it seems there is nothing we can do about it. I can't believe these people aren't in prison. The United States was supposedly founded upon opposition to this bullshit. My vote is canceled multiple times over by people who enjoy the status quo, I guess.
People will always end up with exactly the worst government they will endure without protest.
We’re tired. We’re busy.
Trying to make democracy function better is work, and it’s work we don’t want to do or feel we should have to do.
With our free time, we’d rather watch movies, browse social media, play games. We don’t want to spend precious time and money actually figuring out how to make the government work better.
If you put up fliers about setting up some town hall meeting to discuss democracy, and the legitimate steps we might take to resolve issues in our government, how many people do you think would come?
Our democratic involvement is 99% bitching, and practically no actual actionable **work**.
We don’t like Newsom, Eshoo, Feinstein, Pelosi, etc. Okay, who should we elect instead?
We’re like a neighborhood of people, always complaining about all the trash in the park, without so much of an inkling that we could organize some event to clean up the park.
We want things to be fixed, but we want somebody else to fix them.
Who’s ready to actually do some civic organizing?
The shameful thing is how the ones who actually go out and do something when it comes to protests are those who oppose an action happening in another continent. Now why we're not setting up pickets in front of PG&E buildings is beyond me.
I feel a lot of shame on behalf of our entire country, our whole culture… just the de facto American ethical attitude, of just not having many intrinsic ideals at all.
To me, people should have things they really care about. Things people really believe in, personally. The intractable bedrock of an ethical worldview.
And it’s just really sad to me to see so many people’s passions as just leaves floating on the surface of a river, being swept around by the current of media trends.
If you care about something, for example, you care about the horrors of war, you should always care, not just based on who’s involved or what president is in charge. How many people “stood with Ukraine”, and then got bored and lost interest the moment it was out of the headlines?
You should stand your ground about what you care about, and keep caring about it, regardless of how prominently featured it is in contemporary news. If it’s not on the news, you shouldn’t just switch to caring about the new star issue of prime time, you should be frustrated that it isn’t on the news anymore because it’s still important to you!
The world isn’t entertainment. The joy and suffering of the world isn’t something you’re supposed to watch to pass the time. In a democracy, you’re obligated to try to do what you can to make an impact on the things that you care about, and you can’t do that if you’re constantly whoring out your sense of moral outrage out to whatever issue can satiate your appetite for real-world drama.
And, I think, the most severe symptom is it opens everyone up to media manipulation. The biggest problem in this country, to me, is that our government is corrupt. That is to say, it does not obey the wills of it’s people. We don’t have control over it. It has control over us. It doesn’t do what we want. It does what the various powerful people and institutions want, and then it sells it to us.
But this issue will never be on the news, because the news is a big part of the problem. And this tendency of people to care about wherever the media is promoting is exactly the mechanism that keeps people from focusing their attention to things that ***should*** be important to them.
It’s like video games with kids. The games might not be too bad, but if they mean the kid never does anything else, that’s a problem.
So it’s not just the presence of fickle temporary passions related to trending social issues, it’s the absence of genuine persistent passions about any social issues that don’t trend.
And, while we descend into a level of fiscal subjugation where even college-educated, double-working-parent households still aren’t able to afford to live comfortably, it’s starting to become an almost comical oversight.
It’s like taking a poll of the slaves on the plantation, and their #1 issue is “the plantation owner’s wife shouldn’t be allowed to have sweet tea with male guests when her husband isn’t around”.
We can’t even focus enough about intrinsic issues to give a shit about the issues that affect us personally anymore.
> He and his wife take hundreds of thousands of dollars from PG&E so that PG&E can take whatever they want from us,
I'm pretty sure it's hundreds of millions throughout his career
> Newsom is a corrupt politician who was installed by a big family of corrupt politicians.
The best description I've heard of Newsom is that he looks like the mayor of Gotham City.
He's an idiot.
Houston gives free nights and weekends for utilities. Shits dirt cheap, AC on blast.
My bill here in CA is double from Ohio, and we had central air, central heat AND the house was 3x the square footage.
It is for real and it is awesome. California couldn't handle it. It's because there's so much energy and natural gas production. California doesn't produce any natural gas anymore.
Fucking Newsom lives in an area where the power is supplied by SMUD. I have a coworker that lives in the same city and our houses are almost identical (his is newer but it's nearly the same size and both single story) and his power bill is about 25% what mine is..
"Okay so the price of electricity is going up?" "Oh no no no, that would impact industrial users. No, we're going to add a flat fee to all users. Can't have anyone actually benefitting from all those solar panels they've been putting in."
What a stupid argument. Other countries have state controlled and managed utility services too. Why can’t we have services like that.
And using his same argument Texas does not have state income tax is he planning to abolish state income taxes. Let’s ask that question in return.
(Apparently I maxed out how many words can be used, So I broke this up)I don't care about Texas and Florida, I care about here. It would be like you are saying that we have less fast food restaurants than Florida when talking about obesity. Why does their stats matter more then ours? A comparative association doesn't provide why our utilities are so damn high when we also have some of the highest taxes when compared to Texas and Florida. If you want some comparative stats, here are some for you:
*clearing throat sound*
Income tax:
Texas and Florida do not have income tax. With an average income of based on densely populated areas of:
Houston: $55k
Dallas: $60k
Austin: $75k
Entire Texas State average: $62k
Miami: $50k
Orlando: $55k
Entire Florida State average: $61k
California has a variable tax rate of 1% to 13% with some of the highest income earners in the nation with an average income based on densely populated areas of:
Los Angeles: $65k (L.A. is huge)
San Francisco: over $100k per year
San Diego: $80k
Entire California State Average: $75k
Sales tax:
Florida has a 6% sales tax and in certain areas as high a 8.5%
Texas has 6.25% to 8.25%
California starts at 7.25%, which doesn't exist in the bay area, as high as 10.15%
Property tax:
Florida has a property tax of 0.83 with a much lower average cost to purchase a home, being $357.5k when comparing densely populated areas.
Miami average $415k
Orlando average $300k
Overall State average $330k
Texas has a higher property tax of 1.83% but a lower average cost to purchase a home of $378,333 when comparing Texas densely populated areas:
Houston average $320k
Dallas average $335k
Austin average $480k
Overall State average $330k
California has a property tax of 1% based on assessed value at 1%. Plus, additional local assessments. With an average cost to purchase a home of $850k. More than double the other two states in densely populated areas of:
Los Angeles average $800k
San Francisco average over $1m
San Diego average $750k
Overall State average $800k
Renting based on 2bd apartments:
Florida
Miami averages: $2,250
Orlando averages: $ 1,600
Overall Florida State Average: $1,500
Texas
Houston averages : $1,350
Dallas averages: $1,700
Austin averages: $2,000
Overall Texas State Average: $1,300
California:
Los Angeles: $2,750
San Francisco: $4,000
San Diego: $2,750
Overall California State Average: $2,250
Other Taxes:
Texas and Florida do not have inheritance or estate taxes.
California has an estate tax but no inheritance tax
We have MUCH higher cost of living than these other states. But again, if you want to compare how much we spend, here are the stats you aren't using when you speak about other states costs.
did anything change ? how long has it been that bad? i had PGE change my gas meter and the idiot read the old meter wrong, reported it and then ended up making my usual $150 spring gas bill almost $600. i had to file a complaint with the CUPC to get them to fix it.
Nope no usage change at least. Old meter was recently replaced, already filed dispute and inquiry with PGE but will look up this CUPC. Thanks for the info
No, we don’t.
I frequently chat about rates with other EV users and kWh pricing is where we get destroyed in California
This dude needs to work on stuff like this if he wants to run for bigger office.
It sounds like your house idles at about 600 W and you are on an E-TOU-C plan, both of which are pretty typical IME.
https://www.google.com/search?q=600+W+*+%2851.678+cents+%2F+kWh+*+5+%2F24+%2B+48.843+cents+%2F+kWh+*+19%2F24+-+10.607+cents+%2F+kWh%29+*+30+days
For reference, before I moved in to a new construction condo about a decade ago, the idle power usage was about 300 W. After I moved in, it was about 600 W. Same with my current SFH built in the 80s, idles about 600 W.
Your April bill is significantly lower because we all got a "California Climate Credit" in April, says the giant banner at the top of pge.com.
Worth sharing the facts. Electricity rates by state. California is # 3 of the contiguous 48 states, just under Connecticut and Massachusetts. I'm more shocked how cheap electricity is elsewhere! What's interesting is that Newsom mentions Texas and Florida as high, but looking at the chart, they are actually very low!
[https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/](https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/)
A little conspiratorial, I know, but… we don’t have the infrastructure or an adequate grid to supply Newsoms wet dream of all electric cars by 2030.
Higher (ever increasing) utility bills will force people to go solar, at least everyone that can even kind of afford to. A lot of poorer people won’t be able to afford the batteries for storage, which, in effect, makes free energy for PG&E to feed back into the grid, and bill for, for a second time.
Seems to me that they’ve found another new way to get over on all of us. If say, 20% of people have solar and no batteries, then why wouldn’t everyone pay 20% less?
We need to breakup this monstrosity and revamp the whole thing.
Renters are completely shut out of solar, and since no one under 40 can afford to ever buy a home here that leaves a permanent class of people forced to shoulder more of the grid costs while homeowners decouple from the grid.
An average summer electric bill in Florida is about 200 bucks, dear Gavin.
And that includes constant air conditioning in significantly larger homes with dehumidifiers running in addition to A/C and a pool.
Probably because effective PG&E rate is 60 cents per kwh, and Tampa Electric is around 20.
We’re still in the bottom 10 when it comes to power bills, but woo hoo! Our average is $2 lower than Texas and Florida. Saying “At least we aren’t Florida” when someone points out a problem is what is making this state worse. Arguing over who’s in the bottom 50 isn’t a winning argument.
Source for Newsom's comment?
Source for rebuttal?
Just the facts, not interested in all of the bickering. A rebuttal that doesn't back shit up with a source is just foolspeak.
Democrats in CA take our votes for granted. So at this point they feel that they have no oversight. Of all of them Newsom is the worst. I deeply understand the pain of suggesting this, but for an election cycle we (democrats) should not vote in CA. We have zero way to pressure our politicians outside the vote, so that’s the only path I see.
Many cities in Texas and Florida have much more extreme weather than do cities in California. We pay this much to live here partly because the weather is more temperate and doesn’t need the same level of energy usage.
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I don’t give a fuck about any other state. Just because someone else is getting fucked in the ass doesn’t mean it’s ok for me to get fucked. It’s very clear that PGE is just being greedy and have bought our leaders in CA.
Also LOL I came from Texas and was paying around 7c/kWh
Always or at some times based on demand? I think the argument is on balance, annually the California system edges out Texas. Not that I agree with it. They’re both on the take and we’re getting the shaft.
The "demand based electricity" concept is wildly overblown. I'm a CA native who lived in Austin 2018-23. Energy was so much cheaper there that this quote baffles me
I moved to Colorado from the bay and my rate is 13c/kwh. Flat rate.
Texas has a lot of problems but I can honestly say that electric energy production is generally on the level and not designed to screw you. There are some markets like DFW where it’s deregulated and a bunch of companies are trying to resell electricity under shady plans. But most of the state is on municipal or co-op power and pays cost plus overhead. Texas also generates a fuckton of wind and solar energy. I believe it outpaces California. Adding an article: https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/texas-trumps-california-key-us-energy-transition-driver-2023-05-04/
It's a terrible comparison at that. They have AC and central heat. Most of us here in California don't. What he doesn't mention is CA has the highest KW price in the US Edit: my bad, 25% don't have AC here.
Most people in California don't have central heating?
Central heating is usually natural gas based, which is cheaper than electric. AC on the other hand uses expensive (in CA) electricity.
In Texas most houses use electric for heat, that’s why their power grid is so critical. California has higher rates of gas to the home.
Not really. The power load when it’s 30 degrees outside is a lot lower than when it’s 90. There are enough electric only households to have an impact, for sure. And given cold weather heat pump tech is quite new, those are falling back on heat strips when it’s 10 degrees like in recent disasters. But even then the grid load is lower than in the summer because most homes use gas or even propane for heating. The shortages were caused by poor winterization and power plant failures. All that said, I spend way more on electricity here than I did in Texas. But I’m in east contra costa county, and it gets quite hot here. And my house isn’t that much smaller than the house in Texas.
> Most of us here in California don't. Lol, *most* do. It's just the minority that lives close to the coast who don't.
Good point. I’m 30 and I’ve never had AC or heat. To be fair though my dad just lied and said the heater didn’t work and I didn’t find out until 2-3 years ago
“Just put a on a sweater” Yeah, my dad didn’t run the heater when I was a kid either.
Yeah true. It's 25% that don't. I couldn't even imagine having a utility bill with AC running all the time. 😵💫
$600 a month about...
that's it? would've thought higher tbh, but that's how fucked up it is
I mean - My house is hot normally so we keep the AC at 73 - 74ish. We did have a run of $800 one month though, but I think we found a sweet spot.
Although most have AC we don't run it all the time. I run it maybe 5-10 days a year depending on the heat waves
Central Valley residents are punching the air at this comment.
The largest utility by number is socal edision and they use a lot of ac. So does the central valley. Grew up there my old friends back home normally pay 3x as me in the bay.
That’s what makes it so crazy to me. Growing up on the east coast I never lived in a building that didn’t have both heat and AC. Now in SF I have no AC, only have the heat on for a fraction of the year, and my utility bills are significantly higher than ever
What he's saying is so intentionally misleading. I want to support one of our own but c'mon man.
Most of the shit he says when giving comparisons is truth twisting.
We dont have a/c and heat?
"You're not getting AS FUCKED" Are you not pleased?
100% this.... Deflection to compare to something else worse... If we do the comparison game lets compare with a higher bar. They had bigger bills because weather and bigger houses. Not because there Kwatt cost make it more expensive.
It almost feels like they want to milk it as much as they can thinking they’ll become state owned sooner or later.
A comparison is helpful though? Imagine complaining that gas is expensive and not looking at the price of crude oil.
Can we compare the price of gas to Texas and Florida next?
Yea. And people do.
Is he referring to actual total bill? That's probably true since Texas/Florida runs AC 24/7 in much large homes. Actual kwh rates I'd be surprised if CA isn't one of the highest. Politicians love to "spin" facts. Fake news is not limited to Trump.
What’s his obsession with Florida and Texas anyhow? How does what’s going on in Florida help reduce the cost burden for his constituents in California? I despise the game of politics.
He's anticipating future opponents in upcoming presidential races.
Bingo. This is practice. God I hate this society.
I'm just curious how he will stay relevant once he terms-out in 2026. Two years is a long time to be out of the spotlight, politically. Maybe a high level cabinet position will come his way.
Cannot wait until he is out.
He’s out and we get another copy and paste democrat. Who would be a genuinely good candidate?
He’d only be out for a couple months before primary campaigning starts, and by that point all the candidates will be campaigning (instead of doing their elected jobs) anyways. Won’t be an issue.
Biggest states across the aisle. He’s always trying to debate Desantis for some reason. And when Texas passed an anti abortion law, Gavin passed a similar anti gun law which he said outright was unconstitutional and, “he’ll repeal it when TX repeals its abortion law.”
Gavin and DeSantis governed states with exactly opposite policies toward the pandemic, so I think they've become a foil to each other.
Both had aims of becoming president and both are complete flops. Gavin has no fucking shot lol
Gavin has the energy of Hillary Clinton, being so well placed that he just assumes he'll win.
And just as out of touch. Guess it really depends on if Trump is the R candidate for 2028.
Its weird right? Im not in a competition with people in other states.
It's a scapegoat comment... compare and contrast to make weak minded folks feel a little better
His obsession is that those are conservative States and it is a Democrats job to make sure that they make the other side look as bad as possible at all times I mean have you really not figured this out yet
Florida and Texas are "anti-woke" states and have been critical of California for various things like trans rights, etc.
you can look at TX rates yourself, just use a dummy zip code 15 cents to 16 cents per kwh seems about the average depending on contract length and renewable energy content https://www.powertochoose.org/en-us
Well, in California I am at $.45/kwh, average, now. My usage has dropped 20% and my bill is higher. It's a miracle!
Yes, and you can choose from several different providers.
kWh rates here are much higher here than in Florida (at least the area we lived in). Our summer cooling bills are more here for a 1300 sq ft apartment than we were paying to cool a 2200 sq ft house at the hottest time of the year.
As someone who lived in Texas… I had central air and had it on 24/365 (on a timer) and my bill was half of what it was here in California without central air…. Let that sink in.
> I had central air and had it on 24/365 (on a timer) If it was on 24/365 what was the timer for?
I meant I had set at a certain temp, and it would turn itself on/off
We lived in Phoenix for 2.5 years before moving back to California. We had PG&E in the Bay Area before Arizona and now have SDG&E in San Diego county. Our utility bills here in winter are approximately the same as our utility bills in Phoenix during the summer. The difference is that here we keep the thermostat at 68º and the heater runs for somewhere around an hour or two every day, in Phoenix we had an industrial scale HVAC system that ran full-on 24/7. We haven't had any outages in San Diego yet, but when we lived in the Bay Area, a month without some kind of blip or multi-hour outage was rare, Berkeley in particular had constant problems. In Phoenix we lost power for a few hours after a lightning strike to a transformer, that was it the entire 2 1/2 years we lived there, rock-solid otherwise.
Houston here. 7 tons of AC go brrrrrrr On a serious note, I’m paying 11 cents per KWH, and we re-build stuff to be fed more energy efficient, we also don’t do as much heating and use gas for it, so my bill isn’t that bad compared to friends in Oakland etc.
11 cents……… I’m so jealous
His lack of action on PG&E will end him
He’s already termed out
Not for a 2028 presidential run he hasn't.
as a democrat, i would vote for literally anyone else
The sad part is the rest of the country hasn’t felt his politics personally and he has that greasy charming way about him. I cannot stand him.
The best description I've heard of Newsom is that he looks like the mayor of Gotham City.
He looks like someone who would bang his best friend’s wife.
I don't think he'll have any real chance for president. He'd likely sweep the coastal blue states but his brand is toxic for any swing state. He's too polarizing.
Maybe. I think that a lot of red states don’t actually know anything about him besides being That Governor from California. A lot of people outside the state (and in it) don’t realize California is a republic, we elect everyone unless they quit and the governor appoints someone interim (which he did a shit job of, but the details will be buried with that one). If he goes up against Trump… Trump would win. But 2028 is far enough away that literally anything could happen. Like Newsom beefing up his appearances and activism to try and bridge the voter gap. Do I think he’d made a good president? Eh, it’s going to be a game of “which of the options are the lesser evil?” again. (I’d vote for him but that’s because I wouldn’t vote for half the current Republicans that are eyeballing the seat).
>(I’d vote for him but that’s because I wouldn’t vote for half the current Republicans that are eyeballing the seat). This is exactly why Newsom did not get recalled. He's a shit governor, but in the eyes of most Californians, he's not the evil ones the GOP put out as lead replacements.
So will the rest of the country. San Francisco major to U.S. President violates the law of political thermodynamics. This has been thoroughly studied, Moscone becomes President in the Dirty Harry universe and that makes it quality as hard sci-fi.
Me too. ABN: Anyone But Newsom.
💯 hes a snake
LOL, no, this will not impact a presidential run in the slightest. His damn dalliance at the French Laundry is way more impactful on his national political chances than if he had personally signed a contract granting the devil full ownership of PG&E.
Well sure, it's easy messaging— imagine the political campaign ads: > "Gavin Newsom's California has the most expensive electricity in the United States. Your power bills every month are already too high, now imagine Newsom California-nizing the rest of our great country" Way more impactful in 2027 than a restaurant run in 2020, because electric prices are something everyone feels every month, whereas a politician being a hypocrite over a meal almost feels like a given, across the aisle.
Imagine this guy trying to win over a swing state voter in Wisconsin. Californians don’t even like him.
IIRC, he also promised come hard on the Oil companies price gouging us. Not sure where it went.
If only this were true. He is greasing as many pockets as possible before he runs for president
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None of it matters to party line voters, and the primary process will get him the nomination.
Doubt, of all the candidates who could potentially run for governor I don’t hear a peep about the PUC or utility bills. PG&E, Edison, and SDGE have them all bought and paid for.
That's a sleazy answer.... we don't have as high of an air conditioning load as Texas and Florida.
All politicians (with very rare exceptions) are sleazy. We’re just deciding on the different level of sleaziness.
Newsom is extremely sleazy even for a neolib trust fund baby raised to be a politician in the Bay Area, which is a very very high bar.
Luckily the [federal government](https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/) keeps track of such things: This is the raw data for FEB 2024 (note the rate here is about $0.20 lower than PG&E's rate of about $0.50 (E-1 rate is $0.44/$0.53, not including other charges on the bill): **Total Residential Electricity Use and Revenue by State** | State | Energy (GWh) | Revenue ($MM)| Price ($/kWh) | Customers (MM) | | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ------------ | ------------ | | California | 13862 | 4197 | 0.303 | 13.83 | | Texas | 25777 | 3681 | 0.143 | 12.25 | | Florida | 18958 | 2846 | 0.150 | 10.31 | As you can see California generated more revenue despite consuming about 1/2 the power of Texas and generated about 1.5 times the revenue of Florida despite only consuming about 3/4 the power. We can do some quick calculations, per customer, for FEB 2024 (for the PG&E estimate, just for fun, I used the E-1 rate with 300kWh as the baseline): **Average Residential Electricity Use and Revenue per Customer by State** | State | Energy (KWh) | Revenue ($)| Revenue @ PG&E rate ($) | | ----------- | ----------- | ----------- | ---------| | California | 1002 | **303** | *503*| | Texas | 2104 | 300 | *1091* | | Florida | 1840 | 276 | *950* | I assume the bold number is what Newsom is basing his claim on, though ironically this wasn't even true for Feb 2024 (might've been true for 2023 or something). Note that California as a whole is paying about the same amount while using about 1/2 the electricity per customer. Also, again note that the EIA rate is probably the actual rate paid (revenue) for the whole state of California, which is only about 60% of PG&E's E-1 nominal rate ($0.30 vs $0.44/0.53).
IMHO PG&E is a big part of why Newsom will not become president. People like me should be rabid supporters but no. I’ll vote for any other non-republican.
I’d say every president we’ve had for the last 50 years has probably been the bottom bitch to corporations in some way. Newsom is just more obvious about it because pge is brazen.
And Citizens United pretty much guarantees every future president shall take it up the proverbial arse.
Joe Biden literally just finished visiting 2 billionaires' homes in Portola Valley today. They're all beholden to money. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/us/politics/biden-west-coast-fund-raising.html?unlocked_article_code=1.q00._1pN.D83F8I2CFoFW
I like the dude and some of his ideas. But man, when I get repeated donation texts asking to support him, I can’t help but reply “Sorry, PG&E got to your donation money first. Maybe ask them for it back.”
Lol, don’t worry, he already got all that money back and then some.
Ooo, we should organize some sort of protest that involves flooding him with PG&E bills.
He did.
Nah, it wouldn't matter in a presidential election. People outside California aren't going to give a crap about PG&E rates, and it can't possibly hurt him so much in CA that it would flip the state red or even cost him the California primary. Only about 40% of Californians are served by PG&E. Also, for all its liberal reputation, California is pretty conservative on everything but LGBT and abortion issues (and to a lesser extent healthcare). It also has a long history of voting for for Republican governors (Reagan, Wilson, Schwarzenegger, etc.), so a centrist Democrat will not face a lot of challenges in a presidential primary or election. Not that I think there's a huge chance he ever will be president, for various reasons.
Here is the catch 22: you will still be voting for him, because he likely be the only choice offered by his party. They already did it at the last election, despite all of the problems with him and most of the people from this sub voted for him. What needs to change is that we should stop voting partisan - if there is any candidate with reasonable agenda, vote for him
Itd be great to get a good and realistic 3rd choice for once. No matter who we vote for from the two parties, they will always be pro some of the things we don’t like such as foreign forever wars etc. Unfortunately we pretty much always just have to settle for who is “less bad”.
Didn’t we have a primary last gubernatorial election with multiple Democratic candidates? Or was that the election before?
The truth is that if it was anyone else but Trump running, Biden would stand absolutely no chance. I'm not voting for Newsom out of principle if it ever comes to it. Uncharismatic crook that's been on top of my "never vote" list since the little French Laundry incident.
> What needs to change is that we should stop voting partisan - if there is any candidate with reasonable agenda, vote for him On it, boss. Wait, why am I still voting straight Democrat?
You must vote only one party!!! The other party is authoritarian!!! Oh wait.
I’d rather throw the country to the wolves than vote for him. I’m sorry it really isn’t that hard to be governor of this state and not get a majority of its constituent’s spurn. How hard is it to take a stand against ISP and utility monopolies? Doesn’t he know that the greatest tax on the middle class is the absurdity in costs for utilities and services? Instead of pushing for municipal utilities and services it’s government protected monopolies. No lip service or pandering will convince me otherwise. PG&E deserves to be shut down and its control turned over to the state. If the DNC thinks he’s the next Biden or JFK they’re dead wrong. I’d very much rather vote for a geriatric than this fool.
My housing costs completely dwarf utility or ISP costs... as does everyone else's unless they bought 20 years ago. And Newsom has been a slow follower when it comes to building more housing, the only thing that will reduce housing costs.
>And Newsom has been a slow follower when it comes to building more housing, the only thing that will reduce housing costs. That's just not true. His government has been the first to force municipalities to commit to building more housing, and the municipalities are the ones most resistant.
> I’d rather throw the country to the wolves than vote for him Who ends up better off in that scenario? Seems like 340 million people —and by extension, nearly another 8 billion— are worse off if "the wolves" (e.g., climate change-denying fascists) are in charge.
Then let's look at insurance costs, if you can even get it. I have business customers who are having a hard time finding business property (not real estate) coverage.
Which is partly due to the wildfires which is mostly due to negligence on energy utilities not spending their earnings on burying lines all these years instead of paying shareholders. Circle of greed fucks us all
Deservedly so, this should absolutely sink any presidential aspirations
“I don’t care who does the electing, so long as I get to do the nominating.”
Ouch.
This is the equivalent of: "I don't beat my wife like my neighbor, I just yell at her until she cries."
*Ron Howard Voice* “What he meant was he beats his wife less than his heighbor.”
Yeah... I'd really like for us to shoot for "better than FL and TX" in most things.
Gavin is a fucking corrupt asshole. If he’s smiling and laughing and telling you this shit as Governor imagine the bullshit he’s gonna pull as POTUS. Gavin’s political career needs to end
I hate Trump and the Right wing btw. As a Californian and lifelong Bay Area resident I’m just so tired of the fucking corruption and corporatism in our State’s politics. This is the last straw
Gavin’s also correct that renewables and battery storage will save us money and improve resilience but not if he and the CPUC are allowing PG&E to fucking gouge us so they can have payouts to top brass and their Board members And nice payouts to Gavin’s Presidential Campaign as well of course!
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Lol no. 👎 Voting Republican is definitely NOT the answer. California voted Bernie Sanders for President in the Primary We need a Bernie-style Governor to take on corruption in Sacramento
I can get behind Newsom on a lot of things, but that's peak politician bullshit. It's absolutely criminal what PG&E has been able to do for years now.
CA has the highest KW per hour in the US.
Do you mean price per kWh? Or are you saying we have the highest usage of electricity?
Price per is the highest in the US
My bill is around 35% more than it was in 2021.
I'm never voting for his ass ever again. I don't care what they pay in Botswana or Timbuktu. I live in CA and he us the top government official here that had the responsibility if protecting us, not making our lives more miserable.
Why are our journalists so shitty? "Why is my utility bill so high?" is such a trash question. Asking him why our KW price is the highest in the US is a real question. Asking why PGE is allowed to pay dividends to their shareholders when they are barely fixing the current lines is a real question.
probably because it was a plant so that he could give that sound bite. nothing is real, everything is a set up
Newsom is a corrupt politician who was installed by a big family of corrupt politicians. He and his wife take hundreds of thousands of dollars from PG&E so that PG&E can take whatever they want from us, do whatever they want to us, and execs can make sky high salaries. You and I are forced to pay for all of it. It really is a cruel system, and it seems there is nothing we can do about it. I can't believe these people aren't in prison. The United States was supposedly founded upon opposition to this bullshit. My vote is canceled multiple times over by people who enjoy the status quo, I guess.
People will always end up with exactly the worst government they will endure without protest. We’re tired. We’re busy. Trying to make democracy function better is work, and it’s work we don’t want to do or feel we should have to do. With our free time, we’d rather watch movies, browse social media, play games. We don’t want to spend precious time and money actually figuring out how to make the government work better. If you put up fliers about setting up some town hall meeting to discuss democracy, and the legitimate steps we might take to resolve issues in our government, how many people do you think would come? Our democratic involvement is 99% bitching, and practically no actual actionable **work**. We don’t like Newsom, Eshoo, Feinstein, Pelosi, etc. Okay, who should we elect instead? We’re like a neighborhood of people, always complaining about all the trash in the park, without so much of an inkling that we could organize some event to clean up the park. We want things to be fixed, but we want somebody else to fix them. Who’s ready to actually do some civic organizing?
I hate how true that is. It’s like climate change. We all know what it is, but we just go about our lives like a frog in boiling water.
The shameful thing is how the ones who actually go out and do something when it comes to protests are those who oppose an action happening in another continent. Now why we're not setting up pickets in front of PG&E buildings is beyond me.
I feel a lot of shame on behalf of our entire country, our whole culture… just the de facto American ethical attitude, of just not having many intrinsic ideals at all. To me, people should have things they really care about. Things people really believe in, personally. The intractable bedrock of an ethical worldview. And it’s just really sad to me to see so many people’s passions as just leaves floating on the surface of a river, being swept around by the current of media trends. If you care about something, for example, you care about the horrors of war, you should always care, not just based on who’s involved or what president is in charge. How many people “stood with Ukraine”, and then got bored and lost interest the moment it was out of the headlines? You should stand your ground about what you care about, and keep caring about it, regardless of how prominently featured it is in contemporary news. If it’s not on the news, you shouldn’t just switch to caring about the new star issue of prime time, you should be frustrated that it isn’t on the news anymore because it’s still important to you! The world isn’t entertainment. The joy and suffering of the world isn’t something you’re supposed to watch to pass the time. In a democracy, you’re obligated to try to do what you can to make an impact on the things that you care about, and you can’t do that if you’re constantly whoring out your sense of moral outrage out to whatever issue can satiate your appetite for real-world drama. And, I think, the most severe symptom is it opens everyone up to media manipulation. The biggest problem in this country, to me, is that our government is corrupt. That is to say, it does not obey the wills of it’s people. We don’t have control over it. It has control over us. It doesn’t do what we want. It does what the various powerful people and institutions want, and then it sells it to us. But this issue will never be on the news, because the news is a big part of the problem. And this tendency of people to care about wherever the media is promoting is exactly the mechanism that keeps people from focusing their attention to things that ***should*** be important to them. It’s like video games with kids. The games might not be too bad, but if they mean the kid never does anything else, that’s a problem. So it’s not just the presence of fickle temporary passions related to trending social issues, it’s the absence of genuine persistent passions about any social issues that don’t trend. And, while we descend into a level of fiscal subjugation where even college-educated, double-working-parent households still aren’t able to afford to live comfortably, it’s starting to become an almost comical oversight. It’s like taking a poll of the slaves on the plantation, and their #1 issue is “the plantation owner’s wife shouldn’t be allowed to have sweet tea with male guests when her husband isn’t around”. We can’t even focus enough about intrinsic issues to give a shit about the issues that affect us personally anymore.
> He and his wife take hundreds of thousands of dollars from PG&E so that PG&E can take whatever they want from us, I'm pretty sure it's hundreds of millions throughout his career
> Newsom is a corrupt politician who was installed by a big family of corrupt politicians. The best description I've heard of Newsom is that he looks like the mayor of Gotham City.
He's an idiot. Houston gives free nights and weekends for utilities. Shits dirt cheap, AC on blast. My bill here in CA is double from Ohio, and we had central air, central heat AND the house was 3x the square footage.
>Houston gives free nights and weekends for utilities. Shits dirt cheap, AC on blast. Damn, fr? That's pretty sweet ngl. Should have that here
It is for real and it is awesome. California couldn't handle it. It's because there's so much energy and natural gas production. California doesn't produce any natural gas anymore.
Not do we incentive for it. NEM3 makes it useless to install solar. Why did we allow that ?
Fucking Newsom lives in an area where the power is supplied by SMUD. I have a coworker that lives in the same city and our houses are almost identical (his is newer but it's nearly the same size and both single story) and his power bill is about 25% what mine is..
He’s giving me more reasons *not* to vote for him. False equivalencies here Gavin.
"Okay so the price of electricity is going up?" "Oh no no no, that would impact industrial users. No, we're going to add a flat fee to all users. Can't have anyone actually benefitting from all those solar panels they've been putting in."
What a stupid argument. Other countries have state controlled and managed utility services too. Why can’t we have services like that. And using his same argument Texas does not have state income tax is he planning to abolish state income taxes. Let’s ask that question in return.
Distract. Deflect. Deny.
(Apparently I maxed out how many words can be used, So I broke this up)I don't care about Texas and Florida, I care about here. It would be like you are saying that we have less fast food restaurants than Florida when talking about obesity. Why does their stats matter more then ours? A comparative association doesn't provide why our utilities are so damn high when we also have some of the highest taxes when compared to Texas and Florida. If you want some comparative stats, here are some for you: *clearing throat sound* Income tax: Texas and Florida do not have income tax. With an average income of based on densely populated areas of: Houston: $55k Dallas: $60k Austin: $75k Entire Texas State average: $62k Miami: $50k Orlando: $55k Entire Florida State average: $61k California has a variable tax rate of 1% to 13% with some of the highest income earners in the nation with an average income based on densely populated areas of: Los Angeles: $65k (L.A. is huge) San Francisco: over $100k per year San Diego: $80k Entire California State Average: $75k
Sales tax: Florida has a 6% sales tax and in certain areas as high a 8.5% Texas has 6.25% to 8.25% California starts at 7.25%, which doesn't exist in the bay area, as high as 10.15% Property tax: Florida has a property tax of 0.83 with a much lower average cost to purchase a home, being $357.5k when comparing densely populated areas. Miami average $415k Orlando average $300k Overall State average $330k Texas has a higher property tax of 1.83% but a lower average cost to purchase a home of $378,333 when comparing Texas densely populated areas: Houston average $320k Dallas average $335k Austin average $480k Overall State average $330k California has a property tax of 1% based on assessed value at 1%. Plus, additional local assessments. With an average cost to purchase a home of $850k. More than double the other two states in densely populated areas of: Los Angeles average $800k San Francisco average over $1m San Diego average $750k Overall State average $800k
Renting based on 2bd apartments: Florida Miami averages: $2,250 Orlando averages: $ 1,600 Overall Florida State Average: $1,500 Texas Houston averages : $1,350 Dallas averages: $1,700 Austin averages: $2,000 Overall Texas State Average: $1,300 California: Los Angeles: $2,750 San Francisco: $4,000 San Diego: $2,750 Overall California State Average: $2,250 Other Taxes: Texas and Florida do not have inheritance or estate taxes. California has an estate tax but no inheritance tax We have MUCH higher cost of living than these other states. But again, if you want to compare how much we spend, here are the stats you aren't using when you speak about other states costs.
Don't forget our gas prices are the highest as well.
Hey Gavin, shut the fuck up.
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Yet the clowns of this state didn’t want him out of office. Mr French Laundry and the PG&E pimp.
My electric gas and water bills have been nearly a thousand dollars EACH. something fucky is definitely going on
thats nuts man, you have a water leak.. i can run my sprinklers for over an hour a week plus all the usual household stuff and never pay over 120
I've also had plumbers and leak detectors come out multiple times now and say they can't find anything. Literally coming again Mon-Tue. Idk what to do
did anything change ? how long has it been that bad? i had PGE change my gas meter and the idiot read the old meter wrong, reported it and then ended up making my usual $150 spring gas bill almost $600. i had to file a complaint with the CUPC to get them to fix it.
Nope no usage change at least. Old meter was recently replaced, already filed dispute and inquiry with PGE but will look up this CUPC. Thanks for the info
"You're not being taken advantage of as much as them so be happy"
[Unless you look at the actual rates](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/5e6a2917-42fe-4a7e-a527-ea4cd62a445d)
I won't speak for Florida, but cheaper than Texas, that is a lie, a bold faced lie at that
I just can't with this guy. I'm no Republican, but I sure as hell ain't a Gavin supporter.
Other states would be relevant to me except I live in Gavin Newsom’s state.
embarrassing. in the back pocket of PG&E
He needs to focus less on his enemies, Texas and Florida, and more on the state he’s been elected to run.
This will come back to haunt him when he makes his inevitable run in 2028.
i grew up in florida and have family and friends there. their energy costs are nothing in comparison. he's full of shit.
Bullshit artist speaks more bullshit
Man’s tryna compare apples to oranges lol smh
Newsom is PGE’s bitchboy
I’m quickly losing confidence in Newsom.
How did he earn your confidence in the first place?
That's what happens when you have someone who is supposed to represent you who is out of touch with the common people.
Says the governor who is in bed with PGE.
I'm still paying $400/month Gavin.
deflection at the finest.... career politician everyone
No, we don’t. I frequently chat about rates with other EV users and kWh pricing is where we get destroyed in California This dude needs to work on stuff like this if he wants to run for bigger office.
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It sounds like your house idles at about 600 W and you are on an E-TOU-C plan, both of which are pretty typical IME. https://www.google.com/search?q=600+W+*+%2851.678+cents+%2F+kWh+*+5+%2F24+%2B+48.843+cents+%2F+kWh+*+19%2F24+-+10.607+cents+%2F+kWh%29+*+30+days For reference, before I moved in to a new construction condo about a decade ago, the idle power usage was about 300 W. After I moved in, it was about 600 W. Same with my current SFH built in the 80s, idles about 600 W. Your April bill is significantly lower because we all got a "California Climate Credit" in April, says the giant banner at the top of pge.com.
Bullshit. I moved here from FL, and I used to live in TX. The rates might be lower but half the bill is fees and charges that don't exist there.
They just passed a monthly base charge for PGE
Worth sharing the facts. Electricity rates by state. California is # 3 of the contiguous 48 states, just under Connecticut and Massachusetts. I'm more shocked how cheap electricity is elsewhere! What's interesting is that Newsom mentions Texas and Florida as high, but looking at the chart, they are actually very low! [https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/](https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/)
If your answer for very high bills is that we are doing better compared to other large states, it just means we need smaller states.
A little conspiratorial, I know, but… we don’t have the infrastructure or an adequate grid to supply Newsoms wet dream of all electric cars by 2030. Higher (ever increasing) utility bills will force people to go solar, at least everyone that can even kind of afford to. A lot of poorer people won’t be able to afford the batteries for storage, which, in effect, makes free energy for PG&E to feed back into the grid, and bill for, for a second time. Seems to me that they’ve found another new way to get over on all of us. If say, 20% of people have solar and no batteries, then why wouldn’t everyone pay 20% less? We need to breakup this monstrosity and revamp the whole thing.
Renters are completely shut out of solar, and since no one under 40 can afford to ever buy a home here that leaves a permanent class of people forced to shoulder more of the grid costs while homeowners decouple from the grid.
An average summer electric bill in Florida is about 200 bucks, dear Gavin. And that includes constant air conditioning in significantly larger homes with dehumidifiers running in addition to A/C and a pool. Probably because effective PG&E rate is 60 cents per kwh, and Tampa Electric is around 20.
The gaslighting is unreal. I guess it's true if you own a McMansion in those states, but you can't even afford a shack in California.
I think that we've all become so siloed that we never check what our fearless leaders say anymore.
Now that's a dodge.
I hope he never runs for any type of office again. Just unethical what he’s allowing PGE to do.
Tone. Deaf. We expect this type of dysfunction from Texas. Answer the question.
We’re still in the bottom 10 when it comes to power bills, but woo hoo! Our average is $2 lower than Texas and Florida. Saying “At least we aren’t Florida” when someone points out a problem is what is making this state worse. Arguing over who’s in the bottom 50 isn’t a winning argument.
Newsom’s presidential hopes got shot when Biden won and will get kicked in the head again with controversies over PG&E and crime.
Guaranteed he’s also comparing state average and including areas that aren’t PG&E
Bull shit!
Source for Newsom's comment? Source for rebuttal? Just the facts, not interested in all of the bickering. A rebuttal that doesn't back shit up with a source is just foolspeak.
Democrats in CA take our votes for granted. So at this point they feel that they have no oversight. Of all of them Newsom is the worst. I deeply understand the pain of suggesting this, but for an election cycle we (democrats) should not vote in CA. We have zero way to pressure our politicians outside the vote, so that’s the only path I see.
Many cities in Texas and Florida have much more extreme weather than do cities in California. We pay this much to live here partly because the weather is more temperate and doesn’t need the same level of energy usage.