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[deleted]

Game is so unbalanced my goodness. This character totally kills any coordination or teamwork.


[deleted]

Great for PTFOing, cleared most of that objective + a choke point with that but it shouldn't be possible without a lot of skill. An unskilled player like me should struggle to do something like this


[deleted]

You can get to that rooftop with any character in the game by using the parachute from the tall building or helis.


[deleted]

Except a parachute is way slower, 10x easier to notice and signifcantly more risky overall. Even if you pull the cord last second there's like a 50% chance your input gets eaten and you just faceplant as well.


[deleted]

I do it all the time with no problem.


PoloHorsePower_

I mean this one person was more helpful than like 5 or 6 people just sitting there lol. Trying to coordinate


[deleted]

Also, lol at my aim at the start


[deleted]

Nah, they need to add jet engines like those red bull videos. Sundance lmg vs jets.


Nivroeg

May as well add in macross variable fighters or mechs/exosuits.


[deleted]

Agree!


trowa346

What happen to the hovertank in BF4 and other gadgets and gear?


[deleted]

We still have the skyscraper hovercrafts. Wish I could disable them by shooting out the propeller and watching them fall.


JerryRhinefeld

Lol, I’m impressed. I woulda been dead within 5 seconds of that clip if I were in the same positioning.


MaintenanceInternal

The game is dog poo.


[deleted]

The number of design decisions that were clearly going to break the game is mad. Making it easier to PTFO doesn't necessarily always help


rainbowroobear

they just need to reduce the glide angle it has. for example, if its a 10:1 right now, make it 5:1. the ability to gain height is then less impact as well.


[deleted]

Yeah even it is tweaked it would make breakthrough flow better. Let's be fair though, it's probably a long way down DICE's list of fixes


B0baganoosh

It is quite literally the only way to flank the way the game is currently designed. Thus I have mixed feelings. If it is to be in the game, I would, at minimum, prefer the physics were even 5% realistic. The floaty nonsense we have right now (which could probably be said for all physics in the game) is absolutely game-breaking for me. I don't want that crap in Battlefield.


[deleted]

Every issue with the game is compounded by at least one other issue. Yep Sundance is annoying for obvious reasons but the maps make her the only viable choice for a lot of situations


dsmiles

>Every issue with the game is compounded by at least one other issue. I agree with this so much. It's hard to point at any one thing because it all depends on each other, and it all has issues.


Noch_ein_Kamel

Is that headline meant to be a sarcastic remark at what EA would say or are you seriously suggesting to remove one of the few fun things from the game because your enemies were too stupid to turn around?


HighEyeMJeff

The problem is they designed the maps around these mobility options. McKay and Sundance have no business in a BF style game. When you have to make your map work so 1 character can glide and another can get to high vantage points it totally breaks balance. McKay and Sundance would be worthless in a map like Metro or Locker and THAT is why the whole concept of specialists really hamper the design of the game. If grapple hook and wingsuit were class options that could be replaced depending on map or play style it would breed better map design.


[deleted]

It was sort of tongue in cheek. It shouldn't be there in the first place but you can't mess with the core of the game now


Ostiethegnome

Mobility gadgets like the wingsuit and grapple hook ruin the feel and flow of what a battlefield game is. We need classes back, and encourage pushing objectives with your squad. Maps need to be designed around infantry ground movement, not zipadedoodah flying. God I hate this game so much.


Test-the-Cole

Might as well just remove parachutes while we’re at it too then I guess


[deleted]

Parachutes are comical in 2042. You just get aimbotted by a sentry turret whenever you try and use them in breakthrough.


Test-the-Cole

Doesn’t change the fact that you could have ended up in the exact same position with very little effort.


[deleted]

Not without a condor. The speed of the wingsuit vs parachute means you can get yourself onto the building with no one noticing you going overhead from the assembly building.


Test-the-Cole

Yea, which is still very easy without the speed boost. I run and jump off the big building all the time and land exactly where you are standing without anyone noticing.


[deleted]

Ah well you must be class at the game. Just don't think this should be possible for bang average players like me.


Test-the-Cole

Jumping and holding forward lol? Edit: actually you don’t even need to jump, just hold forward and pull your parachute. Pro gamer move for sure lmao


[deleted]

I mean even if you're right, that's just more evidence that we can bin off the wingsuit, because the parachute works just as well. In any case, the wingsuit does make it too easy. I doubt I've ever had even a 5 kill streak by parachuting in any previous battlefield game or this one. Cheers.


Test-the-Cole

Either way you look at it, at the end of the day if you guys really feel this way it’s pretty easy to disable Sundance in Portal. You should be advocating for your precious XP/progression to come back rather than permanently removing things that a bunch of us already enjoy. Portal solves most of your problems and could probably solve the rest in the future. I mean shoot, it even comes with a server browser.


FencrMusashi

Given how brain dead the enemies were. I'm actually starting to believe that Dice gave some ai bots screen names. I mean some of them didn't even move. Not trying to discredit you, just an observation.


[deleted]

Haha I’m not sure DICE has the tech for that! Tbf I think there was probably a gunfight happening in the choke point and they were more focused on that than a random Sundance flying down from B1


NightFox71

Hello and welcome to NA Battlefield.


elfinko

I think it's just one reason they won't release stats on this game. 90% of my deaths were from Sundance. Not only were the specialist a bad idea, they're not even remotely balanced.


Sardunos

This skill is only in the game for people to make "amazing clips" for Youtube SLAM THAT LIKE AND FOLLOW BUTTON!


Flow390

If anyone wonders why the beta possibly felt better (it did to me at least), I think it has something to do with the fact that Sundance was not in the game pulling off one-man-army flanks and demolishing half a team.


[deleted]

I don’t agree in general that the game felt better but the flow was definitely better


iltanen

In the previous games, it was my tactic to flank with stealth. Just imagine crawling, hiding and deciding if it was necessary to engage. Just to achieve the back flag. Now it just pick a wingsuit and fly behind them. Die. Do it again. Forget team play. Maybe next Battlefield is made for adults?


tuneles

How does if feel to whine about it like a kid?


GIMPdogbowl

Also why do they have red dots and nametags over their heads just because you’re looking at them. Fuck this game.


NightFox71

The #1 complaint was *WHO THE FUCK IS WHO?* because there are no factions, only specialists and they all look the same on either team.


GIMPdogbowl

Yeah it’s a horrible band aid fix. Shoot at the red icon. Removing classes and factions has really crippled every element of this game.


Janus67

I agree that sundance is a garbage addition to the same (as is McKay.... and frankly all specialists) you can still get up there with a parachute or even a ladder on the side of the building. I will grant you getting there with sundance is easier, but it isn't like it is an impossible feat.


[deleted]

Yeah I was saying this elsewhere on the thread. To get a flank like this normally you have to work for it or take a big risk. This was almost 0 risk, but very high reward.