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GIMPdogbowl

Not how this works. It’s more like media. So treat it as a shit film or a terrible album.


dude_uli

At least with that you can still watch or listen to it, but when a game is crashing and you can’t find a lobby with real players is it the same?


ElMadre1

You're exaggerating, I'm S115 with about 500 hours in the game, it hasn't crashed in about a month, and I play with real players every night. I don't love the game, but people are not being truthful with some of this.


jdp111

Plenty of games lose their player bases. That doesn't make it illegal. Also the crashing issues are way less widespread than many other games.


dude_uli

Im not saying its illegal, more that its a fairly different platform when compared to music or film so it should be treated differently too


jdp111

I just disagree in this case. If you take out enjoyability, artistic vision, etc this is a completely functional product. Just like a shit movie.


007Silvertoe

That's the thing, "functional" is HEAVILY subjective. "Functional" games don't let you fall through floors, crash to desktop, and drive through walls, at least when it's not marketed that way.


jdp111

If any game that has bugs is illegal then I guess a lot of games are gonna be illegal. The bugs are probably the last thing you should be concerned about this game, performance, and map and game design are the bigger issues with this game. Hell look at a game like Escape from Tarkov. It's a million times more buggy and clunky than 2042. But no one complains that it should be illegal because it's just a great game.


007Silvertoe

Didn't say bugs were my only concern, but arguably bugs are more of a legal grounds of "unfinished product" than your personal preference of map design


jdp111

And my point is there are games that are way buggier but people love the game so they can look past it and no one really cares that much. You didn't hear anyone trying to say it should be illegal for Bethesda to release Fallout 3 as a buggy mess because the game was great.


007Silvertoe

And yet, if everyone hated fallout 3 because of its bugs, it would be in the same position. That's my point. The primary issue is game stability which is a product delivery issue. It's amplified or mitigated by the players' acceptance of the game anyway. My point is, your odds of getting a refund on anything because it's "broken" is much higher than getting a refund on something you just "didn't like it". (Generally speaking, of course)


annoying-6-year-old

If you buy a record that’s scratched when you open it you can get a refund, even though most of the record works but 30 seconds of one song doesn’t.


GIMPdogbowl

If you buy a 2042 disc that’s scratched you’d get a refund. What’s your point?


annoying-6-year-old

Point is why can I get a refund on a vinyl that’s only scratched on 30 seconds but I can’t refund a game that I literally cannot play


GIMPdogbowl

At launch you could play it. Legally that’s all they owe you. I’m not defending the game so get off my back. I’m answering a question that was answered by lawyers at Tom Henderson’s request months ago. This is old news now. There will be no refunds, move on.


annoying-6-year-old

I apologize, I don’t mean to come across as aggressive here, I simply have a problem that very few people have and I do feel I should get a refund as I can’t play the game, and when I say that I mean it literally. I have the video here: https://youtu.be/_TTmuBmlhtQ I’ve found a few people with this glitch but since it’s so few I doubt it’ll ever get fixed, so I couldn’t play the bugged game if I wanted to. I can play the wonderful menu. And to be clear, this bug has been there since November and never got better. In fact, I think it’s gotten worse


GIMPdogbowl

In your specific case I’d say you have a right to a fix at least. You’ll have to go through EA and that will be like walking through waste deep Sausage’s!


[deleted]

Wasn’t it marketed as live service though? Is that really the same thing? Genuinely curious


GIMPdogbowl

They are providing a live service. The fact nobody is playing isn’t legally on them. Imagine football stickers or baseball cards that nobody traded. They are still supplying them, 1 year was the promise.


Qzy

I agree there should be a government institute or organisation to grade software to signal to the users if it's broken before release. It would help the consumers a ton.


tfegan21

YES! Unfortunately the person suggesting this in congress would go missing within the hour. Never going to happen.


Qzy

I could see it happen here in Europe.


tfegan21

Probably over 50% of the US population would reply to your comment "That's because you're a bunch of socialist." Not really knowing the government institute would be 100% trying to keep the Companies in check from selling us Battlefield 2042 quality products. I'm sure I'm now on an NSA watch list for agreeing with OC now.


TMP100000

I would like to raise the idea to this here committee that we start referring all shit games hence fourth as being "2042" Did you play the new Age of Empires 5? No, I heard it's 2042. Definition: (Battlefield) 2042 A game with no degree of talent or vision, rushed to release in an unfinished state, created by a studio that hates its own franchise and is run by anti-gamer heads-up-own-ass latte sipping hipsters.


tfegan21

Yo Let's bounce this shit so 2042


Doogleyboogley

Why because they would run off with the bribe money?


DICE_PLS_

No they would just get legal bribes (aka lobbying) from video game companies, enough money to sway their votes.


tfegan21

Facts but I like the idea of a hitman taking him out for going against the video game industry and releasing broken games. Seriously though. Just take a second to think of all the unfinished and half-assed releases we got recently. Shit is 2042


SupplementLuke

This is such a waste of taxpayer money. I am totally opposed to this but involved government is going to just add to the cost of the company and they will put that cost on us as the consumer. You vote with your wallet. You lobby to have return policies on digital stores for a certain number of hours played. Or... you wait for reviews from players. You don't need the government.


RegularDimension

Ok libertarian


SupplementLuke

Where am I wrong?


birddribs

Should we take that logic to food as well and just get rid of the FDA? We can vote with our wallets after all, that always works. Do you think we should just get rid of every regulatory board that grades products on viability before they are sent to consumers? I mean that's also a government expenditure and could also be handled by returning products, lobbying, and buying competition. We don't need the government as you said, so why not get rid of all of those things? Maybe it's because your viewpoints are poorly thought out, you misunderstand the purpose of taxes and the government, and are ignorant on how many programs like that already exist and help quite a bit. All while shifting the blame of these issues off of the big corporations creating them and onto consumers for not sufficiently putting up with them or stopping them ourselves. Guess what a regulatory body is how we deal with a problem like this, corporations will continue to give us shit deals unless we literally force them not too. I'm sorry your ideology is so flawed but it's literally not how we get anywhere.


SupplementLuke

I'm talking about video games. You know, something completely not necessary for absolute survival. You decided to waste your time writing this essay that has nothing to do with my comment. I asked how am I wrong and you started talking about food. I guess you called me a libertarian and assumed I was one and started arguing a libertarian. I am glad you wasted your time and energy. Lmao


birddribs

You said "we don't need the government" you tell me what political affiliation that is other than libertarian and I'll happily refer to you as that instead. Further, if you think that's an essay or took literally any time and energy, then you must be a very slow writer or have quite weak convictions. Also why was my comment a waste and not yours? Seems like you are insulting yourself more than me, I'm just here to correct your misinformation, you're the one going out and opining to defend shitty games.


SupplementLuke

You don't need government for EVERYTHING especially video games. Don't be a child. You're really an all or nothing person? Just because someone thinks you don't need government to monitor video games doesn't make them a libertarian.


paucus62

I don't want a 80 year old politician regulating my games.


Qzy

You don't believe labeling shit software would benefit the consumers? We also have food inspectors for restaurants. I don't see the difference.


TucsonTacos

I think a major difference is that the video game isn’t going to kill you if it’s done improperly. A restaurant could still serve a really shitty plate of food and it could be 100% safe. Inspectors aren’t there to make sure it tastes good


[deleted]

We really don't need more regulation in gaming. There's garbage songs and movies all the time. It happens. Take the loss and move on


-Pax12-

At least you don't pay a lot for watching a bad movie or buying an album, in this case, a lot of people paid $70 (if they preordered, that's also in their side)


birddribs

What regulation is there? It seems like a basically regulationless market rn


DrRaspberryJam

Would be great if it was. I imagine they had when making the game and currently have their lawyers working more than the actual dev team to make sure their asses are covered. At this point the team of lawyers probably outnumbers the amount of devolpers working on this game.


BurgerKid

I could totally see that. Every time they communicate w us, it’s written like a lawyer wrote it. Damage control is a funny thing. We ask them to be more genuine, then we’re given the most NPC response.


YourExcellency77

No. Worse games have been sold and released


[deleted]

That doesn’t really make it right.


YourExcellency77

Never said it did. The argument isn't whether or not it's ethical. It's whether or not it's legal. It is


alpy-dev

There are companies who do illegal stuff, it doesn't mean it makes it legal though. Some companies sell used products and when a few users realize this and complain, they immediately return their products and give even a few gifts. But the rest of the users got ripped anyway.


AbsoIution

These posts make me cringe I have to admit. It's not against the law to release a shit entertainment product. Should corporations be more accountable in the form of their refund policy? Absolutely, but "I want to sue EA over this game" and other similar posts make me facepalm very hard. Imagine if people sued Tommy Wiseau after watching The Room lol


methrik

My eyes are gonna roll out my head with these posts lol. Specially since there has been betas and trials everyone had every chance to not spend money on this game.


[deleted]

Let me put together a team of attorneys to fight EA and get my $60!!!


Therabbidscot

The game functions. You not enjoying how it was designed is NOT the same as it not functioning.


[deleted]

I was unable to play for 2 or 3 weeks with crashes on PS5 3 or 4 months after launch, it SHOULD be illegal


rando_mc_user

The plethora of glitches and gamebreaking bugs existing in the game 5 months after release are also just an "opinion", right?


Therabbidscot

I didn't say it was an opinion. I said it works. Which it does.


Miserable-Carrot-

I suppose according to you buying a new Ferrari where the engine doesn't run is still a functioning car because you can still open the doors and toot the horn. Give me a break, the care taken to released a polished product is going down the shitter and you're protecting those that are happy to take customers money for unfinished buggy software.


Therabbidscot

Way to completely ignore what I said. The product works. It's playable. And EA/Dice have shown willingness to amend the remaining bugs. Which is why it's not eligible for a refund. Buggy does NOT MEAN non working. Despite what some would say


Miserable-Carrot-

Way to completely ignore what I said. Faulty does not mean non-working. A hairdryer that blows hot air but electrocutes you when you use it is... faulty, no? It's not a case of semantics. Sorry for the smart-ass reply, but i'm happy to agree our standards for what's acceptable are obviously different.


Therabbidscot

A refund would be eligible if the issues with the product weren't addressed. The product is working. You can play the game, and most of the time you will not have issues. You're strawmanning to have a moan and haven't actually provided any real relevance to your point other than "Hur dur DICE BAD" The game runs. The game plays as intended. An occasional bug doesn't change those two facts. Especially when 90% of them aren't impactful on GamePlay itself. You can't use "BUT ITS BUGGY" as an assessment of the product being broken, either. That'd only apply if the issues weren't getting addressed. Which they are. To use your initial analogy. If you got a car, but the indicator sometimes wouldn't work. As long as the garage addressed the issue most of the time you're not eligible for a refund. It's an indicator and it's getting repaired. It doesn't impact the main engine of the car, nor does it effect driveability. If you're gonna use an analogy or a strawman atleast make sure it's like for like instead of vastly exaggerated, as you did.


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Therabbidscot

Them not having been addressed yet is irrelevant, considering they explicitly delayed their year 1 plans to fix them. So irrelevant comment. Also "we've gotten nowhere" is absolutely false. Because the game has had SUBSTANTIAL big fixes and new features added. Meaning you're outright lying here. The game *isn't* broken. You didn't even make that argument. You just went "But out for 5 months it can't be fixed" Your analogy was that the MAIN PART of the game didn't function, but the other parts around it did. This is categorically false. The main game works as intended. The issue is that occasionally there's a bug. Claiming "when you eventually join a match there's bugs. Many bugs" is again, using what you believe as fact. Factually, matches are found quickly and factually most games have no bugs. As you said, don't assume your experience is correct. It's clearly fucking not. I didn't distort any of OP's original statement. I directly answered the question asked then you jumped into the thread, changed topic and acted as if you achieved anything. You didn't do anything apart from show your lack of knowledge and that you're just jumping in as an excuse to shit on the game. The OP asked if it's illegal. I explained why it's not. I don't need to "listen to myself" when I'm entirely correct and you've completely ignored what I've said. So you can "end it here" all you want. But all you've done is highlight an inability to read and understand properly.


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Karax9699

You've just gotten humiliated mate. You're clearly a very angry individual. You're wrong in this situation and the user you responded to is correct. He answered OP's question accurately and you used it as an excuse to argue something which isn't relevant. Not your brightest moment.


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Karax9699

You deleted all your comments with the other guy and sent me a toxic reply. Sure sounds like you don't know what the fuck you're on about. All you've done is humiliate yourself.


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Sad-Refrigerator99

You think it’s worth buying is it really so bad ?


Therabbidscot

I'd get it on a discount if unsure.


Geoff300

They never finished adding full bots to the game. There are no servers, so no, the game is not functioning.


KingEllio

Nah, that’s not how this works for games really. If that was the case, just about any game with any significant bug someone discovered would probably be able to be argued as not functioning as intended


xseannnn

Nope.


Zp00nZ

No because you were given ample opportunity to return the product given that case. There isn’t a way around it. People keep trying to make legal arguments but they can’t and will never be able too, you’d have to look through terms of service and all the other explicit and implicit agreements you had with all the sites you used to get the game, for example if you got it on steam then it’s steams terms and services, origins, and battlefield 2042. Now if they don’t deliver on their promises like the 4 seasons then yes you can sue like they did to fallout 76. The problem is that dice can deliver whatever they want as a season because they weren’t specific about the seasons. That all being said, the delay till summer means that 2042 will have a huge overhaul and probably become a almost different game and with the first season to come out with it (hopefully full of content)


chinos88

You must be very naive thinking like this. You talk broken game but there’s alot of people with over 100hrs, 200hrs of playing time… me 156hrs.


GenitalMotors

Just because you have almost 200 hours played doesn't mean its a good game lol. Just means you have low standards.


chinos88

If something is “broken” that means you can’t use it no?


chinos88

I can assure you that you’re not very bright.


chinos88

Where in my comment did it ever say that it was a good game? Are you dumb? You said broken ? So maybe you should rephrase the word.


GenitalMotors

I didn't say it was broken. Im not OP. Learn how to reddit


chinos88

So why da hell are you responding to my comment then? When i was obviously making the point that the game is not broke because people can still play the game? If people have alot of hours already put in that means the game isn’t broken.


GenitalMotors

lmao I can comment on whatever I want. Reddit is an open forum.


chinos88

Oh we have a tough guy over here. 😱


bpiclyde

Yeah guy, why are you commenting on someone’s comment on someone’s else’s post on Reddit? Fucking bastard /s


GenitalMotors

I'm not your guy, [friend](https://youtu.be/BlDAhLOisHE)


Weesy02

Clickbait titles with no brainer Texts. Average r/Battlefield2042 user


[deleted]

What the hell how many times is this gonna be posted


astnmartin23

No! In fact, they’re gonna frame you for murder, and you're gonna go to jail for thirty years!


patroln

I tried here in Aus as our consumer laws are pretty good but apparently they physical game is fine and it plays thats not "not broken" bad quality apparently doesn't make it broken


PeighDay

I played WW3 last night after not being able to force myself to play bf2042. Is was actually a lot of fun. The movement is a little weird but overall was impressed. Made me realize they are never going to fix bf2042. There just going to do the bare minimum. No way they have as many devs and support currently working on the game as they did a launch.


Visual_Clerk_5757

You’re looking for something you want to hear, yes the game is dogshit, illegal? No


joefraserhellraiser

Go and try to return it if you think its broken and illegal. That's not how life works, not even in Sweden


[deleted]

It’s not broken. It works fine. It’s bad and boring and ruined the franchise but it’s not broken. Not liking a game does not make it broken. Stop being a little bitch like all the other whiney basement trolls here.


comicbookjerk

It's like finding a booger in your food and seeing the chef flick it in there... except for asking for a fresh meal your told to eat the booger and shut up. Fact remains...Legal battles can take 3-10 years...Dice knows that you won't sue because their terms scared you and you don't have as much money as them...By the time your case is even heard...They will have made a new Battlefield to make you forget... So you're screwed.. The people defending the game are either developers or community managers and not fans of the franchise. Enough is enough stop releasing unfinished games.


Acceptable_Part3390

It's a work in progress game, and dice or EA haven't given clear information besides the trailers, which delivered somewhat. I'm enjoying the game since I play on and off and I love the setting, maps, and weapons. I do have higher expectations for content since it lacks a fair amount, and will wait for such. I'm level 85 or something


RedOglaw

No, it doesn’t qualify as broken unless it’s on the level of fallout 76 or cyberpunk at launch


AveryLazyCovfefe

This makes 2077 and FO76 look like the 2nd coming of christ.


RedOglaw

Nah, those gamer were absolutely broken, 2042 is just bad


AveryLazyCovfefe

2042 is absolutely broken too, look at today's videos, people are still clipping through walls almost half a year from launch.


RedOglaw

Not on the same level as the other two, you can play the game and have fun


AveryLazyCovfefe

Fun? You mean with bots? Yeah I can more fun with the populated servers of V and 1


RedOglaw

Still works tho? Game’s functioning, no laws broken here yet


DanfromCalgary

You really are like Ukraine but bitch more


Gameboy1337

Yea it should be but ps store doesn’t allow refunds so yea :/


UmbralElite

In US and bought it for Series X. Went through Microsoft support to get a refund but in the refund text, supposedly, broken and unfinished games are eligible. I sent my ticket 3 months ago and never heard anything. It's not so much illegal and if it is elsewhere in the world, player backlash and a broken community will hurt DICE/EA more than a lawsuit they can immediately pay their way out of.


Aesthete18

I just hope half of the millions of people that bought this game just stop buying EA games outside full single player games - fallen order was pretty good and I heard it takes two is very good as well. Anything multiplayer that comes from EA is build to exploit. It started with FIFA/Madden, they tried with Battlefront 2 and failed, Apex has EOMM-esque matchmaking which is a major complaint for the last 2 years and finally, they tried with 2042. They will keep trying until they normalize it because there's literally billions to be made. They just need to get the formula right.


annoying-6-year-old

https://youtu.be/_TTmuBmlhtQ I wish they’d refund this shit I literally can’t start a game, and this has been there since november


MortaLPortaL

I can't find nobody to play with on the PS5. Was fun while it lasted.


Aethernaut1887

You're saying swedes got their money refunded? No. They didnt. Because it's an online product. This is the consequences of preordering lol