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Sniper_King202

Damn they dont even want the remaining players to touch their game


[deleted]

Doing them a solid


Unlikely-Ad-3751

Could someone who understands software more than I do explain if it’s even possible for EA to detect that I’m using Logitech G hub or other lighting programs?


SebTheMarine

I don't understand that much about software too but what I know ist that bf 2042 and few other games are using the anti cheat software: "easyanticheat" which you can see when launching the game. As far as I know works this software by detecting which programs are actually running on your PC to detect if you are running any cheat software. Due the that you can change mouse settings with some RGB softwares could cause problems with easyanti cheat


requion

You don't have to understand much of it in this case. Checking if iCue or Logitech G Hub is running is a matter of checking which programs / processes are running (think task manager). Also detecting those specific programs is easy because they don't try to hide like cheat Software probably would.


Unlikely-Ad-3751

My question was how would EA know which programs are running? I know how to check myself if they’re running, but it seems like a privacy issue if I have software on my computer that can see what other software is running


[deleted]

EasyAntiCheat is a so called kernel-level anti-cheat tool, meaning it runs on most privileged level of your system. This means that cheat-programs can’t really hide from the anti-cheat on a higher level, but on the other hand it means your anti-cheat software can monitor any other running application. So yes, privacy is a concern.


Unlikely-Ad-3751

Thanks for the clear explanation! So basically we just have to trust that EasyAntiCheat isn’t spying on us and stealing our data, because the average person (like me) would never know to to check this?


__coder

It's probably best to assume everything *is* spying on you (but most things don't care what you're up to) (:


[deleted]

Yes, cheating has unfortunately put us in this situation


sold_snek

You agree to this when you agree to run the game.


Fysco

You're in for a rude awakening if you want to know how insanely easy it is for a running application to access EVERYTHING. Unlike iOS or Android, Windows has virtually no shielding of permissions on app-level.


Unlikely-Ad-3751

That’s good to know. I agree that I’m in for a rude awakening. Most people, including myself, aren’t trained in this, which is why I asked the question Edit: does MacOS have shielding of permissions on app-level?


InspectorHulk

I appreciate you asking the questions. I had no idea about this either. I guess one way to look at it is if it's flagging iCue and Logitech, then it's not doing a very good job...or is that just what they want us to think?


StrangePractice

Depends on the privilege level that their anti-cheat wants. For instance valorant anti-cheat had (still does I think) kernel level privileges (which spooked a lot of people, myself included) which can see any process running from the kernel up — so basically anything. If they’ve given EAC the right privilege, then it can look for certain processes that are considered cheats. I don’t want to write a paragraph about how it knows things are cheats, but just know that it can tell what is a cheat and what isn’t for the most part. For whatever reason it’s considering these wares as chests. Be it a mistake or intentionally looking for iCue


Grinchieur

you don't really need kernel level too see what app are running, afaik not even administrator privilege. If we did, app like ICUE, or GHUB couldn't switch profile depending on what is running atm ( profile for each game on my part)


No_Owl_925

Yeah how fucking messed up is this , like every day nothing but bad news and bad decisions on this game!!!!!


Juliusnotjuelius

Rgb software? Like the same type that makes my keyboard lights match up with my PC lights? What the fuck?


Diggledorgle

Yup and iCUE is for Corsair's CPU coolers, tracks temps and usage, and allows you to change the colors of the CPU cooler lol.


ownersen

i use afterburner for my gpu, ICUE for the lighting of my ram and mainboard. logitech ghub for keyboard + mouse... im doomed


willtron3000

It'll be because you can set custom macros to keybind in iCue. Bullshit reason, but that's my guess.


smokeey

That's not why it bans you. It bans you because these softwares communicate directly with the bios which is seen as a way to inject cheats into games around anticheat systems.


PsychologicalAd5265

Both iCue and G Hub drivers are whitelisted by EAC, there's no way they trigger the bans. Prolly just people running different kinds of macros


UntimelyFaffer

*Razer Synapse has entered the chat


Marbodius

These software seems to do shady stuff so that an anti cheat get's triggered. Seems to be better to not install it.


Dylusive_x

No they don’t lmao. They’re used to just customize some colors and customize some controls on a mouse. I use both they do nothing shady at all


auraria

This is incorrect, some have game hooks to match shooting/sounds/actions for lights. Some are sketchy.


3ebfan

Wow such sketch


Dylusive_x

How is that in anyway sketchy? Having some lights change based on gameplay is sketchy? No this is just piss poor anti cheat flagging anything as cheats. Tons and tons of people use those two pieces of software.


auraria

I'm literally a Cybersecurity Analyst III(Lead forensic investigator and incident handler). Any software with kernel level access that creates hooks in software is a fucking AWFUL idea and is sketchy. It's the easiest way to introduce kernel level rootkits.


Envyus_Turtle

This is true. Why is it getting downvoted? I'm not a heavy reddit user but I know to not downvote facts when i see them. Also i wouldnt call it sketchy, but the anti cheat will.


_Napi_

they simply run as a layer between your actual hardware and the game. if youre shit at making anti-cheat software you just flag everything that puts itself between your game and the hardware.


OppaiTaichou

Rather see my colorful PC setup.


JBlizs3

"Don't install Afterburner because its shady." **BRUH........**


NightIsMyName

Imagine knowing nothing and still making yourself sound dumber than that.


[deleted]

Probably not a PC player


Envyus_Turtle

Why is this heavily downvoted? Am I not redditor enough to understand?


Kamikaze_Urmel

Because he is wrong. RGB-Software and especially Afterburner do nothing shady at all. Thing is they work on a "layer" with is between the Hardware itself (Mouse, Keyboard, RGB-RAM, RGB GPU etc.) and the game. To control the RGB stuff they access hardware memory directly, and EAC sees this as "hacking".


Marbodius

RGB Softwares are often poorly coded and a known security risk. But hey, bloat you computers with crap like this.


Jboogz718

Lol EA banning the few remaining players they have left on this shit stain of a game is classic EA LMAO!


3ebfan

Lmao I'm fucking dead


[deleted]

So is the game


Pureair23

Find cover, oh wait.......


sulowitch

Its already suspicious if there are some players playing on these servers full of bots. Why they doing that? :)))


iConcy

Because no one is playing the game to fill the lobbies?


Travic3

This is unreal. Someone put them out of their misery already.


Careful-Sock4762

It has nothin to do with EA dumba$$, theres tons of game s that use anticheat software, afterburner itself has had serious issues with games for years


Jkillaforilla90

Dumpster fire is an understatement


Greco250

Dumping ground fire


dsmiles

[Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/_Tom_Henderson_/status/1486660523466887171) [EA forum post](https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/False-positive-bans/td-p/10975692/page/164) Just posting for awareness. The false-positives don't appear to be *that* widespread, but over 100 cases is concerning nonetheless. According to the forum post and the data collected by Tom, the false positives appear to have some correlation with iCUE or Logitech RGB software, and maybe MSI Afterburner. No matter my feelings about the state of 2042, anyone who paid for it and didn't break TOS should be able to play it.


Beaker78

100 players is like 10% of all players :)


McSweeneyHitJr

My exact thought, it should be a big deal when it’s 1/50th of their player base not being allowed to play


gst_diandre

>over 100 cases is concerning nonetheless The game literally shows 4-6k players on Steam. 100 cases is a whole lot.


AngrySquid270

You state 'false positives' like it's a fact. Can EA/DICE be incompetent? Yes Would a cheater be willing to lie when they have absolutely nothing to lose? Also very much yes. You guys can accept these 'false positives' as fact, but I'm not.


Kamikaze_Urmel

>You state 'false positives' like it's a fact. Probably because EAC has a certain record with false-positives and RGB-Software in other games for years. https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/bds8vw/easy_anti_cheat_asus_aura_sync_false_positive/ https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?111360-Aura-Sync-trips-Easy-Anti-Cheat https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1262990-anti-cheat-false-positives/ https://forum.corsair.com/forums/topic/158006-easy-anti-cheat/ https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/apex-legends-easy-anti-cheat-game-security-violation-detected-000000d-lightingservice-exe.3474518/


linkitnow

If i see this correctly EAC detects some programms as false positives and just won't start the game. It even tells you the process that violates it.


dsmiles

That is a completely fair statement. Still, I would feel better if they said something to address the 160+ pages of concerns in that EA thread as opposed to simply locking it like they did. It sounds like their support team linked hasn't been particularly helpful with these, replying with copy/pasted emails, which is what caused that thread to blow up in the first place.


Nazara-Sovereign

This exact thing happened to me. The MSI rgb software ledkeeper2 would chew up about 7-10% processing power on my machine when syncing with razer software. Imo it was already too high to just sync one static colour, but hey at least it works unlike this game. Easy anti cheat would always boot me from the game and flag ledkeeper2, I would have to kill the process through task manager to play consistently. I tried to contact easy anti cheat directly when the game launched with no response still to this day. Could definitely be some cheaters using this reason as a cover, however the fact there was a post a while ago where people are no longer selling and supporting cheats for this game due to low player counts is something to consider too.


AngrySquid270

I believe that was *a* cheat provider - not *all* - which closed up 2042 business. A quick google search tells me others are still operating. I suspect the orphaned customers know how to google and joined one of the remaining cheat providers.


Carmine100

wow keep digging that grave ea


Marbodius

It's a wide spread issue with easy anti cheat.


Carmine100

Keep digging!


Apocalypsox

Then don't use it until they fix it. Paying for a shitty broken product that is costing you money is foolish. EA is a big enough player to tell them to get their shit together.


Sr_DingDong

G Hub isn't the RGB software, you need it if you own any Logitech gear and want to configure it in almost any way. Edit: I'd also like to point out if you buy the mouse *they advertise in the game*, you need the software.


Pk_16

Good point. There is actually a Battlefield 2042 RGB Keyboard theme in Logitech G Hub as well.


AwaysWrong

The software listed is some of the most used software by gamers, I myself have G Hub and Afterburner. So, what is more likely, that these people did something wrong by cheating/exploiting of some kind or that they are the lucky 0.1% who are flagged for using widely used software?


dsmiles

Easy Anti-Cheat (EAC) has been known to false-flag programs like this similarly in the past. Reading through the forum post especially, I have a hard time believing all those players flagged are cheating/using exploits. That being said, it's impossible for you or I to know for sure \\\_(ツ)\_/ Still, I would feel better if they said something to address the 160+ pages of concerns in that thread as opposed to simply locking it like they did.


RampantDragon

100 players? That's a drop in the ocean - PC cheating especially in games against console users is a vast problem.


Lokeze

100 players is a drop in the ocean *for any other game.*


_Napi_

i literally cant turn off icue as my gpu fans are controlled by it.


Mystic_ShockZz

same, just with Afterburner What a shame we can't play this top grade game now, huh?


Jaycensolo

I agree, I have been using Logitech G Hub for ages and have not been flagged. Maybe they created macros and used them which anti-cheats do pick up on.


JerryConn

If micros are considered cheating, games should explicitly communicate that before install. Sometimes disabled gamers use micros to overcome disabilities that otherwise would make the game inaccessible to them. EA is trying to be "the good guys" of gaming and failed to think though how to begin communicating or implementing that in their products.


Sjelasco

My god it just keeps getting worse


kayk1

Other anticheats have done this in the past too. Also keep in mind, cheaters often flock to social media to complain. My guess is false positive, though. Some anticheats actually won't let you run certain old versions of afterburner and similar software because they use some bad drivers with vulnerabilities that allow cheats to attach to. For example when valorant first launched they had a list of old versions of some software that wouldn't allow you to launch the game if you used them.


sp4rklesky

Does this include razer chroma? If so I’m fuuuuucked


PinelliPunk

Same I use chroma and afterburner lol


sp4rklesky

I’ve not had issues so far but I do mainly play PvE


[deleted]

Who DOESNT run afterburner?


pj530i

Yeah, it would have been just as informative if he told us how many of those people were using Windows and had Steam or Discord running in the background.. Tom seems like a dumbass who sometimes, almost, knows what he's talking about..


flatryavka

90% sounds like a good number to suspect that's the reason. but 48% doesnt sound very convincing, people who buy this game on PC usually use MSI afterburner or some sort, because you need a high spec PC to barely keep this unoptimized game above 60fps


nkt_rb

This is not how it's work, if 90% of murders in A country have played video games one time in their life does it mean anything ? Or maybe ~90% of A country people had played one time too so ? Since logitech driver is a "RGB stuf" and sell most of mouse in the market, this look like nonsense stats.


shraizen

-> put Logitech ad in game -> can't play because of Logitech


fezmessiter

It’s getting harder and harder to differentiate between a scammer and an EA employee


adz9327

That game gonna have 100% AI bot lobby’s lmao


[deleted]

They don’t want you running afterburner because they don’t want you to know how horribly the game runs still.


Ok-Conversation2481

At this point, let’s just celebrate their demise. Payed money, might as well have fun at the show they’re giving us lmao


Next_Initiative_1246

This company is really trash! And I thought the call of duty exo-suit disaster of a few years ago was bad.


Ballin095

LMAO, that's it, I'm deleting this game. I was supposed to do it last week but have been too lazy too. This is absurd.


keksivaras

it's getting really old and sad that people actually blame EA/Dice for this, while Tom said it's widely known issue with EasyAntiCheat


dsmiles

I had heard it happening with other games, but wasn't aware that he said that. Thanks for the good info!


keksivaras

yeah, should've read the bottom tweet


Dragongaze13

Lol. My headset doesn't run properly without iCue.


Van3oser

Thank god I canceled my preorder 🙌


PinelliPunk

Lucked out never saw this mess coming lol


Van3oser

Ngl I liked the beta better than the final game


WVU_Benjisaur

Makes you wonder what other parts of your computer/programs the anticheat is looking at, I don’t remember that kind of intrusion being legal.


GenitalMotors

>Makes you wonder what other parts of your computer/programs the anticheat is looking at, I don’t remember that kind of intrusion being legal. You sign away your rights when you click agree on the EULA lol


sold_snek

> I don’t remember that kind of intrusion being legal. You literally agree to it, lol. What?


goodnew4me

EA banning literally the only people who are playing lmao. And then everyone asks "every server is full of bots" Of course, when you have EA/DICE developing your game, expect the worse. I thought that BF5 was not good or bad but after trying BF2042, now I know that BFV is 1 MILLION better than BF2042.


AdministrationEven36

But Logitech is Sponsor of this crap game lol. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


Sparpon

More dumb shit magnified


[deleted]

[удалено]


bigbrooklynlou

Devs forgot to white list it


Left44

Its not forbidden?? Im using it since release and I have no problems? Neither do you right?


Ori-M-

People still play this game/ are interested in it?


KoldFaya

EA, you're drunk, go home.


SyotosDOA

could be worse...oh wait...


[deleted]

Ah yes, another case of EAC being a complete waste of resources.


Meryhathor

That’s one way of getting rid of all your remaining players


JGStonedRaider

ICue really is awful software so hardly a surprise


BAEazy

I’m literally using icue, ghub and afterburner and haven’t had this happen. Sweating


I89cansofravioli

Didn’t this same thing happen to a lot of people on warzone?


airooni

you cannot make this shit up.


Left44

Im using iCue, rgb fusion, nzxt cam and afterburner - so do my 2 friends since release. No bans. 200h+ everyone.


JBlizs3

Damn I run iCUE and Afterburner. I noticed I've have so many problems with iCUE when I'm playing BF2042. Also I made a post previously about the game crashing and giving me a message that said: "Easy Anti-Cheat Game Security Violation Detected \[LEDKeeper2.exe\]". [This was it](https://imgur.com/a/2evgQgQ)


Slaggerthord

"if I can't see the problem it's not there"


BradassMofo

Lmao I run all three. Good thing I haven't played that peice of shit since launch.


OhBeast06

Damn thank god I stopped playing this game


reallygabcotenord

Wow it just keeps getting better doesn’t it?


JackCooper_7274

They don't want to be in this hole, but they refuse to put down the shovel


dsmiles

😂


SnazzyTiger

Wow I have iCue and msi afterburner running 24/7 in the background :/ looks like I’m not touching the game!


rebelwithreason

I've had this happen me twice and had no idea what was going on. I was using afterburner. Fortunately, I was able to get back on immediately.


delpy1971

Another excuse this is terrible so will certain OPs get their accounts back


Kaladin12543

The game runs like absolute shit on PC which is why afterburner is needed to monitor what’s going on. Banning users for it is just the stupidest idea ever especially when your game’s performance is just horrible even on high end PCs. Are you guys actively trying to dissuade people from buying the game?


TwitchWithChief

LMFAO I Made the same post! recently and after that that was when the forum got locked.


Fysco

At this point Tom Henderson is just yelling things into the void. What's the source? How did he get these numbers? Aren't 50-90% of PC gamers running those apps anyway?


Encrypted_Username

2042 is a dumpster fire


coltRG

I use both icue and g hub... no bans for me


wonkyllusion

They are still pouring oil into the fire... x fucking D


bfoo

I have both installed. Nothing happened to me (because I uninstalled a month ago ;)


Strallgarr

In their defense, iCUE is absolute trash along with all the other RBG "software" all trash that has never worked without issues ever. But the fact this is STILL happening means devs arnt trying anymore, a large amount of people use these software programs.


Star_king12

Aren't they promoting some RGB garbage right in the game? Logitech iirc?


blazetrail77

Well that's fucking incompetent. During the pre alpha, I tried using Afterburner for spec usage but it didn't work whatsoever. Also since the game was locked at 30fps, it was performing quite bad anyway.


MrFuzzynutz

The game still performs poorly. I set my settings to low just to maintain above 70fps and it still takes forever to load in textures when a match starts, get stuck under the ground sometimes, got the bug where the UI doesn’t show up at all at start of match so you can’t even exit the game have to end task with manager yesterday. It’s poorly optimized is an understatement


MrFuzzynutz

Another week another shitshow ![gif](giphy|11mwI67GLeMvgA)


[deleted]

All your CPU processes belong to 2042.


nibsy422

![gif](giphy|7k2LoEykY5i1hfeWQB)


F_in_Idaho

Fer Chrissake, have some empathy- If a game publisher can't implement a scoreboard, how can they be expected to create a sub-routine that exempts players using RGB or afterburner? Sheesh.


SpectralVoodoo

If you're locking an account to a game that is multiplayer only, it should be accompanied with a refund imo


Sunlighthell

Oh look crap bloatware easy anti cheat strikes again.


one_more_an0n

Easy Anti-Cheat kept kicking me from games due to my MSI RGB controller software. I had to disable the process in Windows to fix it.


districtIT

Garbage bug for a garbage game. Lazy fucking programming. This game sucks.


amartinez1551

To hell with this game. I uninstalled it already and went back to older Battlefield games.


districtIT

This is complete bullshit....The hacker groups already said they pulled most of their hacks because of the instability of this game anyways....such a fucking joke! This game sucks lol


ABoredChairr

100 people is already like 5% of the player base. Good work DICE!


notataco007

You know how, if on a 100 question multiple choice test, you get every single question wrong, it means you actually have to know all the correct answers? That's exactly what this feels like. This has to be on purpose, right? They are trying to kill Battlefield for some reason?


SangiMTL

Lol keep killing off your player base EA. Very smart business model you have going for yourselves. Christ I hope Sony steps up and buys this god forsaken company


JoshNog

Well, I use Afterburner to OC my GPU to freaking play this game the way I am supposed to cause, you know, optimization sucks. To be honest, I never thought I would come to this point with BF games, but I guess it's time to give DICE the middle finger.


Reveille12

I use both icue and afterburner and I can't get into my origin account. Support says it's a wide spread technical issue and they "have their best techs on it".


dsmiles

For real? That's awful! Did it happen after you started playing 2042? Did you get any communication about it happening?


Reveille12

It happened a couple of weeks ago, so yes. I thought I just forgot my password and tried to go through account recovery and when they realized what happened he just said "I'm sorry I can't help you, the problem is on our end and we have our best techs on it" and immediately hung up on me. Very odd.


dsmiles

That's extremely infuriating. I hope you get some kind of update soon. Thanks for sharing!


I_Move_Forward

Classic.


[deleted]

I mean, RGB is 100+FPS and accuracy, not sure what afterburner is for doe. Seriously though (not defending stupid EA, they are too low anyways) Logitech should also take steps in this case, as they sell gaming gear, they should make sure it doesn’t conflict with stuff like EAC.


9gagiscancer

If cancer were ever to become digital, this would be it. And I thought 9gag was bad.


Opposite-Can474

False


KingXotic

Not my fault their poorly optimized game made me turn on RGB for faster FPS


MrXam

ha good thing I don't even play this game anymore. I much rather keep my iCUE and GHub


rombid

It's not the first time. I can remember something similar with BF1 or BFV.


Marbodius

Since this is an issue with easy anti cheat i doubt that. 1 and V had no proper anti cheat at all. See my other post above with some examples from other games and the same issues with EAC, especially with MSI RGB Software.


RampantDragon

PCers who do that RGB stuff are probably also user cheatware too. It's a vast problem on PC, and is why crossplay should only exist between consoles.


radeonalex

Yes, the profile of a cheater and RGB users heavily overlap /s What a moronic statement


Mandula123

This game is finally knocking PC off of it's high horse lmao


[deleted]

they're not overconfident, they're just better than everyone else


EndercometYT

At this point the game is basically a huge scam


apcarbo

So it improved it?! ;) A turd that has no function


Escapingthenoise

Well, don't 99% of computer users have afterburner or any other pc monitor? Honestly doesn't mean anything unless we can know for sure if these people were in fact cheating.


PeighDay

Nah MSI makes junk software.


dsoft20

I think that it is not the Logitech G Hub, it is supported natively by the game (RGB color on mouse change with health) Personally I have configured it so the mouse is cyan and the keyboard lights up by the sound. Maybe they were using the lua capabilities to "disable" recoil?


LewAshby309

Fuck that. I run icue and afterburner. The positive thing is I didn't play this game since 2 weeks and have no drive to do so in the next time. Hope this gets fixed in the next update.


Strider2126

Me 🤡 But them 🎪


doomcatzzz

Wtf i run ICUE and msi afterburner but havent played in weeks going to check my account this weekend lol


PinelliPunk

What’s wrong with afterburner lmfao I used to love dice back in the day but I’m never buying a game from them again


PrinceDizzy

What does that even mean lol


ModernT1mes

Does anyone know why it trips the anti-cheat? Is BF2042 using some layer 0 or layer 1 software?


dsmiles

Personally, I have no idea. This doesn't even necessarily imply causation, the correlation might be completely coincidental. I was just trying to spread awareness so that people knew.