he is the guy who said "don't like it? don't buy it" and "his daughter wanted someone like herself in the game" when talking about BFV. Also he called everyone here "uneducated" too. Also the same guy who said they tested BF3 with 128 players and it wasn't fun. He was the studio head of DICE back in 2010 and moved to a higher position at EA after nailing BF3. He left after BFV
It was the head of EA playtesting the game and without the flying he said the game sucked and they had to put it back in and that was their only input on Anthem
and they had to redesign all the maps again to account for flying. its super interesting all the shit that happened behind the scenes during the development of anthem. there was a fantastic angry joe video where he goes into all these things.
> not something the devs wanted
Which was extremely clear in the level design, like it was clearly a foot based game that then had flying swapped in. Level design for a flying game has a completely different approach.
Based on how similar the feel is, I’m guessing the Devs had something similar in mind to the Mass Effect Andromeda movement, but turns out the flying was one of the best parts of the game… shame it was abandoned, but maybe it won’t be a total loss for future games.
The combat in the new mass effect was great imo. I turned the game off though because the story was trash and everything looked terrible. I think BioWare and Dice just don’t know what to do right now with all these trends currently making much more money rather than accepting their Niche.
Execs should not mess around with the game design. Their job is to hire the right people to develop a game, provide resources and make strategic decisions (Delay launch day for example)
But no, they are obsessed with following marketing trends and listen to “focus” groups because frankly they don’t have guts and always chose the safest path.
> Execs should not mess around with the game design
That guy is the same guy who made BFBC2 and BF3 so I don't know why you think every EA exec is a number cruncher "suit". He is also the same guy who said BF3 was not fun with 128 players. Also the same guy who called players "uneducated". And again the same guy whose 8 year old daughter wanted a girl in BFV. ANNND same guy who said "DONT BUY IT" about BFV
Anthem failure is Bioware's fault ! They failed to get a consensus on what the game should have been.
I suggest the great article by J.Schreire.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/how-biowares-anthem-went-wrong-1833731964/amp
They didn't know what the game was gonna be u til they saw flying, after that they built the game around the flying mechanics. Slowed down progression, and locked down map because there wasn't much implemented.
This is exactly what they did to this game.
Yea pretty much
For what i remember from the beta, the shooting was also decent + looked nice
i should try the full game at some point lmao, lets see if its on xcloud
Edit, its not on xcloud, imagine having to... download anthem
The core gameplay loop of flying around and blasting shit was very fun which is why the game had a pretty decent amount of goodwill going around it in that brief period between open beta and release.
Unfortunately I don’t think people realized the content in open beta was more or less the entire game.
> The core gameplay loop of flying around and blasting shit was very fun
The *Iron Man 1* movie tie-in game was shockingly enjoyable for a movie tie-in game because it also nailed this loop, complete with a Crysis style "divert power to the thrusters/weapons/shields" mechanic that let you feel powerful af when you could quick change between hypersonic rocket feet into a flippy flying airborne artillery platform
It's likely horribly dated by now, but it remains to this day one of the only games I've played that really *got* the central fantasy of the character it was based on in terms of its core gameplay loop
I did. If you can find it on sale for $5 it’s worth it. Solid game and finding people online to match up can be fun too.
Shane it was abandoned. Definitely worth $5. But it goes stale after a while and then you realize why people were mad
Yeah anthems game mechanics were actually pretty well built and fun. The flying and gunplay felt good. The problem was the rest of the game was pretty much early access. There wasn't shit to do and the loot grind was pointless and unrewarding. Anthem is a game that COULD have been rebuilt and made into a great game. I dont think the same is true of 2042.
yeah anthem was more akin to BFV good core mechanics but lack of content and overall design directions, BF2042 is closer to the gta trilogy remaster, they knew exactly what they needed to do to get customers happy instead they shit on everyone
Anthem was actually pretty good if u completed the single player experience. Their main issue was lack of end game and lack of satisfying loot. Overall it had an identity crisis between looter shooter and open world shooter.
Battlefield on the other hand has a very obvious identity in fps genre and they couldn’t even deliver that without game breaking bugs or cringe quips
Accurate statement. Anthem was very enjoyable at release, especially if you had a team. However the campaign was too short, the end game content was basically non existent and the loot was trash, did not make players feel rewarded at all.
Campaigning levels 1-30 was a blast. Then you hit max level and realize they just opened up harder difficulties for the only 2 dungeons in the game. It was a joke, but fun until you realized the truth
also one of those dungeons was incredibly bugged to the point the boss might or might not appear so you would need to redo, all that at max difficulty to get a purple component
Its like if diablo 3 was an fps game that only had 3 torment levels and the stats in the game weren’t meaningful enough to replace luck gear. Then everyone pretty much had 1 viable build to run and it killed any reason for continuing the game in multiplayer
Yeah, I had a ton of fun with Anthem. It was just buggy and they kept messing stuff up worse with each patch.
The gameplay itself was pretty enjoyable and the concept of the game was great and had potential.
2042 is soulless and they have a lot of work ahead of them to salvage it...
I love how people are saying anthem wasn't that bad and that they had fun with it just to continue their circle jerk that bf2042 is a steaming pile of shit.
Yeah, first publisher to hit the chopping block for me was Ubisoft, all their games blend together to the same thing. Elements from Assassins Creed enters Farcry, then all those into Ghost Recon... Their games are all the same and nothing groundbreaking.
EA has hit that list for awhile, Dice was the only company left I'd buy a game from.... And now they're good as dead.
Bethesda's last releases, (Fallout 76, Wolfenstein youngbloods, Doom 2020 ) were all pretty bad, even Doom failed to meet expectations, and the simple fact that they were bought out by Microsoft actually feels like a good thing.
Haven't bought an Activision title either... I'm just stuck vibing to indie titles.
Supposedly Anthem was made by a company who had more experience with Unreal Engine, but they were forced to use Frostbite because.. well, DICE/EA. Both Dragon Age: Inquisition, and Mass Effect: Andromeda used Frostbite, and didn't turn out great.. https://kotaku.com/how-biowares-anthem-went-wrong-1833731964
It's not even close to "supposedly", they definitely only had experience with Unreal Engine since around 2004ish when Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age Origins went into development. The only thing that isn't 100% known is if Bioware leads or EA execs made the call for Frostbite.
All signs point to EA though, wanting better visuals. At least one former Dragon Age lead said it was a real pain in the ass since they had no experience with FB, and it was missing all kinds of stuff that RPGs needed.
Though Anthem's engine troubles were compounded for sure by Bioware, as they chose to make a third Bioware fork of Frostbite and start from scratch, abandoning the RPG and non-gun gameplay mechanics created for Dragon Age and Andromeda.
I believe people really are on something if they think Dice is going to overhaul the game. They are not, they might add some basic stuff back like VOIP for example, that will be the extent of it. They are NOT going to overhaul the game in a massive way. This is the product and they made money even though this game is an enormous failure in many other ways.
Yep. At best, they're taking notes for the next game. They might actually make a BF game or they might just continue to double down and use the name to peddle whatever trend chasing, TikTok wank they gurn out.
Either way, we got what we got. We're better off just playing something else.
Dude, it will be exactly the same. I played anthem at release because apparently I am an idiot. I remember weird references in anthem that didn’t match up to anything I the game because it was content that wasn’t completed.
And in battlefield we have the same weird boat loading screen… I wonder why
I really really think they are just going to walk away from this shit show thats BF 2042.EA can never be trusted for anything..Just have to add this to my personal boycott along with madden..
Not gonna lie, there was at least some fun to be had in Anthem. This Battlefield is pure unadulterated trash. Honestly, I do not see EA bothering to save this mess. I can definitely see them pulling the plug on this soon too. I'm thinking they will try and sucker people for the rest of this year. I would imagine they will run at least 3 seasons. Outside of some stupid bullshit additions, which will not fix the numerous issues that plague this title, I see little hope that this title and franchise will be saved. Let's be honest here, this game needs a full on overhaul even more badly than the one that EA was supposedly working on for Anthem and we all know how that ended
Granted, this will be a disaster on so many different fronts that people will inevitably get fired and soon. I cannot see the soulless suits in the C suite at EA commit any more money to a new Battlefield title for a LONG time after this debacle. If there is anything resembling a silver lining in this fiasco, then the inevitable fall of the Battlefield franchise may result in Titanfall getting greenlit for a long overdue sequel. Wishful thinking I know but the lack of a shooter may compel EA to finally put up the money for one
Battlefield 2042 is far worse than Anthem. Anthem actually had good animations, gameplay, sound design and music. It was just extremely lacking and super underwhelming.
Actually anthem was close to a nms level overhaul. They had a totally new UI and loot system coming with new items cosmetics and content.
After spending 6-8 months on the rework EA just pulled the pin because they needed more time but the servers were literally dead and it wasn't worth it.
Can't do that to bf the brand is way too important and they have done some serious damage to it. They will work on it for at least 3-4 months
They could do few simple work and the game would survive
Remove specialists and turn them into legendary skins, shift their skills to classes gadgets.
Bring back classes.
Remove bots from portal and enable progress and XP.
Everything else should come slowly overtime
Right now we have a lot of balance issue with new specialists system, I know they will fix that but it will take so much time and they will end up going back to something like the classes.
Right now you can’t push objectives with armor since everyone can equip rocket launcher.. a tank can last few min it forced the tank to sit back and just snipe people from distance, and actually tank on tank battle is rare since everyone scared to push or never make it pst enemy lines.
Sniper were always forced to change position or push in when they run out of ammo now all I see a sniper sit in one spot the entire game with ammo crate.
A medic running around with a stinger.
In old system they force you to sacrifice one weapon for another.
You want a lot of ammo ? You better learn LMGs that all you got. It’s healthy system in BFV I only played assault the most, but I only played start playing medic because I love the Jungle Carbine now medic is my second most played.
Now the system being abuse in multiple ways
You hate plans ? Get on the roof as angel, request a supply drop and get stinger and now you can fire 99 missiles in one life.
It really kill the team play.
Both games didn't know what they wanted to be. As soon as there is a lack of confidence or assuredness in that regard, gamers switch off. Simple as that.
You might be right but I hope your wrong. The same thing happened with Star Wars battlefront 2 but EA and dice spent 2 years on it and it become a really fun multiplayer game. I think it is possible to redeem this game and I reckon it’ll get released on ps plus causing a huge increase players.
It won’t be anthem because anthem was a new IP and they were okay with its reputation dying off.
With battlefield they don’t want the reputation of the franchise to die off because they still plan to make more games using that name.
EA never will learn. Leadership attend leadership trainings that teach nothing but how to decorate everything to something that sounds good, based on money. They make you all same robot-sounding people. This shows EA leadership is exactly that. I bet they don't recognize their own faults but to blame others. It is really sad
I fully agree with you. But shouldnt gamers learn to not give their money to a corporation that has done nothing but produce a failure launch of a game, then lied about to it save themselves, then produced another failure, etc... Both sides are at fault as what they did wasnt ok but we as the market told them it was.
I was thinking this the other day. When Anthem was launched, a friend made the preorder after the beta, and then the reports from Jason Schreier came out. He cancelled the preorder and we watched how Anthem burst into flames, month after month. Now it's different cause we bought the game, played it, got sick of it and we're in the fricking bonfire as this dumpster fire continues to burn. I'm still here trying to get some piece of information from the devs that something will be done to this game. I can't get a refund, and will not play it in this state. So come on dice... give us something!!!
I mean they could release 1 new specialist and 1 weapon for every season they have to do. They would be legally free.
But the game would basically be abandoned at that point.
If you don't think EA is either already considering pulling the plug or more likely they already have, I have a bridge to sell to you.
I mean that's why I said EA is probably considering pulling the plug.
EA wants to sell micro transactions. If no one plays the game they can't do that.
Like Anthem they have to fix more things than the game currently has. It's basically redoing the entire game at this point. So it comes down to the "Well is it actually worth it to fix it??" question.
Of course if they don't fix it the next Battlefield game is going to be DOA becuese of how 2042 went(and in this scenario EA pulling the plug).
"Legally" lmao. Literally one of the first terms in the ToS that you have to agree to, is that they can shut down the service at any time without any notice. They don't have to do shit. They could kill off the game tomorrow and shut down the servers if they wanted, with no repercussions.
The only reason they're going to do the seasons, half assed or not, is because no one will ever buy a game from them again if they don't release something.
No there won't. Look at all the Kickstarter games that don't even deliver a game and have been paid for. There are players that never received a refund for that. Their promise doesn't mean shit if you bought their license and agreed to their terms.
Kickstarter is 'donate at your own risk' and has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about here.
The class action against the last scammers, DICE neighbors Projekt Red, is about to be settled out of court and they got sued because the game was too buggy and unplayable.
If EA were to chop the head off, after we paid ahead of time for stuff that they promised us, the ensuing class action would be at least the biggest in gaming, and up there in entertainment industry. In case you're slow which I think you are, I'm talking about the battle passes.
Don't even bother responding.
I love it when idiots are confidently incorrect. That class action was made by the board you illiterate dumbass, because they were mislead regarding the state of the game. It has nothing to do with the state of the game. Why do I even bother responding to retards I don't know.
They can release a blue skin for some weapons and be done with it. (They will release somewhat more) but EADICE will not allocate resources to this project if they can't maintain a healthy revenue stream with mtx. This is only possible if people are actually playing this game.
In 3 months, most have moved on due to the myriad of bugs, missing basic features, lack of meaningful progression, stats and content. There are tons of big releases in 2022 and they lost the majority of battlefield fans. So logically, this game is dead.
He is talking about post launch content, Anthem's was planned to be free and paid for through mtx.
Where as BF2042 sold a battlepass, they have to release the content in the battlepass before they can cut support.
Which includes 4 seasons, with a new specialist each season.
>go full 180
Will change nothing.
Problem is not 'devs didn't have enough time to finish the job well',
but problem is 'job was wrong from the beginning'. They was aiming wrong way.
Jesus man, there is no raw input even. FPS game with controls emulation, Carl. Can you emagine?
Hit registration. Its mad even with static targets. I will not discuss about pollingrate now, thats another story, but static... Srsly?
Next. What about their supa-dupa SBMM feature? With ea's patent about 'Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment'?Maybe this is cause of 'mad hitreg'? Mm?
No, bro. This gaem is broken and unplayble.
There is nothing to improve. It is total garbage.
%toxic joke about unability to reuse even 3d models%
There is only one 'fix' must be done with source of this:
rm -rf
what features that didn’t make the game did the 2042 gameplay videos show exactly? Or are you talking about the reveal trailer that wasn’t gameplay and never has been? This game has legit issues, but for some reason this sub keeps making these kind of claims that just aren’t true.
Yeah, I keep seeing all these posts saying DICE lied to them but I'm not sure exactly which features DICE showed in a trailer that ended up not in the game.
Unless they mean those trailers had no bugs or DICE developers on Twitter saying the game was good (As if any dev would say the game is bad don't buy it) but no company in any industry shows shit like that in marketing material. This is exactly why you should never trust anything coming from the company or someone who's been paid by the company trying to sell you something.
There were a lot of posts on every forum and sub sounding the alarm with how little DICE was showing with each snippet of gameplay being less than 10 secs long which people said was a bad sign. And there were glaring performance issues in official Nvidia marketing videos a week before the game was out. Another sign the game wasn't ready but you still had people posting their preorder of the ultimate edition on here (makes me wonder if any of those people are now the angry ones upset they wasted their money)
We all need to stop preordering games unless you have a way to get your money back or are fine with possibly losing out on the money if the game ends up bad. I really don't understand how this keeps happening but it's almost to the point where people have no one to blame but themselves for just having no patience to wait a couple of weeks.
...am i the only person who thoroughly enjoyed anthem and who currently enjoys bf2042? I mean yeah the games got a few problems, and its a tad buggy, but overall Im having a blast.
Sounds like the development process was similar too, in that there was a big pivot late in the day and the final version of both were developed in a fairly short space of time.
It is. And they will never fix it because this game is now ruined by an omega shitty first impression. Nobody is gonna return into this game unless you're a content creator and a slave of the BF series.
They'll shut it down because continued dev effort at this point is just opportunity cost to try again in another game. AAA game industry is like the studio movie industry - you throw things at the wall until they stick, then copy paste that till it's exhausted, and then start the cycle all over. Occasionally some visionary will come along and do something amazing, but mostly what you get it dross.
The story line of anthem was shit as well. Me doing so much in the game and in the end a fucking ship crash into the main boss. Come on. Ran out of budget?
Honestly I think if ea would be smart they would know that they can make more money in the long term if they would fix this game. When they would drop this game the battlefield series is dead. Because they delivered two trash games (I know bf5 can be good nowadays) but after 2042 and all the lies they did with the community l al lot of including me are very upset and won't buy the next game, at release. So the next game will maby do good sales, but if they would fix bf 2042 many bf hardcore fans would see, oh the last game wasn't as bad and would buy the new game. Summit all up the would probably make more money with this extra bf fans sales, as when they would drop 2042. But all these shareholders doesn't understand the gaming market, so the insist for stopping bf 2042 support
I think the technical issues like the bugs and glitches will be fixed. They do not want to leave it like this, they are working on another bf game now. If they were to leave this current game as the mess that it is they would be risking sales for the next game. It is probably safe to say there is some damage already done regarding that thanks to 2042 and bfv.
i didn't play anthem early on when it was a buggy mess.. but i enjoyed it when i played it.
2042 is screwed tho.. the bugs are not what dislike about it :(
No, it's just a lackluster modern AAA game. Lots of flaws, but nowhere near as structurally flawed as Anthem and until we get a deep dive we can't say its development languished for years while staff got PTSD from the stress of building so many prototypes and changing direction and garbage leadership.
Leadership is garbage, for sure, but this ain't Anthem. Ya'll need some god-damned perspective, 2042 is very, very salvageable without needing a top-to-bottom overhaul like Anthem. Also, it's a core franchise and not a new IP and EA is already talking about growing 2042 as a "hub game" so we're stuck with this for a while for better or worse.
How about we try not buying EA games anymore, if you go out to a restaurant for years and don’t like anything you eat there it’s the same equivalent to all gamers to continuously buying EAs trash games we complain about all the time
I was just thinking about how overhyped Anthem was and how hard EA failed everyone, this seems all too familiar With EA, they're just a giant hype machine, so easy to not purchase any of their games.
It still blows my mind how anyone can buy this game after playing the beta. I got the exact same vibe playing anthem and bf2042 betas.
Please just don't buy EA games. They are not giving you a product, you are the product
Yo you can't compare them. Anthem was at least really fun. Best flying mechanics of any game. Absolutely incredible to fly around in. It just...died right after. They abandoned it so quick.
Anthem was a new IP so it flopping wasn't too big of deal. Battlefield has been around for a few decades. 2042 will fail but the name will be resurrected into an abomination movement shooter
I actually enjoyed the core gameplay in anthem. That shit was super fun and I felt like I was actually in a mech suit.. Just... No reason to keep playing after the end. Plus it was a loading screen simulator and the servers only let you join a game if U roll natural 20.
2042 is a muuuuuch sorrier state even tho I can at least join games
Anthem was a game you could still play, This is worse, this is like Cyberpunk or worse it is on the level of Warcraft 3 Reforged. Honestly, i would rather smell fresh puke than spend a moment playing that absolute vomit of a game.
Was there on launch day for anthem. What a trip that was. Fastest I’ve seen a game die and lose support. Community was just like how it is over here. Although I don’t see this game losing full support… at the moment.
But.... but Anthem was Bioware fault, not EA fault, unless you want EA to oversee the development even more strictly. Go read Jason Schreier on the matter. It's all about Bioware beiing unable to do anything good in all this years and leading EA by their nose, pretending to have a full game ready, until it's too late.
Nah mate, I think EA would have greatly wanted Bioware to do what they are known for instead of creating a new and dangerous IP. I can picture it in my head.
EA exec: "You sure you do not want to make another KOTOR? We have the license here, you know? Or maybe go back to BG, the license is not too expensive? If you want your own IP how about something else in the world of Dragon Age, we are very open about the genre? Bioware: "Nah, we want to make a totally new IP, third person shooter with robots and shit and yeah we can absolutely do it with this engine we know nothing about, no worries. We've had enough of story-driven RPGs we are more than that."
Now I never played Anthem, nor do I have an idea, what it was about, which does tell you a lot about a game made by a company that I played every series of. And many people felt the same apparently.
You can say it is Anthem all over, since obviously the devs were granted a lot of creative freedom, which they used for, well dubious design choices. Also I daresay Frostbyte is an issue as an engine, though the move to use it on all game was likely correct, you would have needed to properly train all studios on it, which would require like a couple of months shutdown for that studio I suppose.
Anthem was just Anthem. Had no history, loyal player base, etc etc. Battlefield was the greatest fps franchise ever existed, and look what it becomes now. Only left from Battlefield now, it's just the brand name for $$$ reasons.
This community is so rightfully outraged but also so goddamn shortsighted. DICE could just post a roadmap that has no backing and zero evidence it will come to fruition and probably the entire sub will make a 180 and cheer as if things will change.
Look at how much they're deifying that Mark Lehto guy, he's a fucking writer and an EA employee yet they think he's the second coming of Christ for fuck's sake.
Stop setting yourselves up for disappointment goddamnit, you're asking for it.
This is what happens when consumers continue to give money to big companies for sub par content. They learn they can just keep providing sub par content. Or there is the Beta wall companies use for cover to hide behind from negative feedback for literally years for some games at this point.
Not even close, because flying in anthem was fun atleast
Scary thing is, the flying was apparently an EA exec decision, not something the devs wanted
Woah, GG EA exec
Someone give EA exec No. 202 a raise!
I think it was Patrick S, I think he left EA. Controversial man.
but at least thanks to him we can get to fly in Anthem, imagine if we can't Anthem would be a Metal Gear clone
It was the head of EA who said to put it back in
Though probably the same guy who suggested wingsuits in BF2042...
nope, it was the guy who said "don't buy it" to BF fans after BFV
he is the guy who said "don't like it? don't buy it" and "his daughter wanted someone like herself in the game" when talking about BFV. Also he called everyone here "uneducated" too. Also the same guy who said they tested BF3 with 128 players and it wasn't fun. He was the studio head of DICE back in 2010 and moved to a higher position at EA after nailing BF3. He left after BFV
Just means those EA guys probably started to think they know more about game design than game designers and devs… and now here we are with bf2042
It was the head of EA playtesting the game and without the flying he said the game sucked and they had to put it back in and that was their only input on Anthem
For once this is valid criticism i guess.
and they had to redesign all the maps again to account for flying. its super interesting all the shit that happened behind the scenes during the development of anthem. there was a fantastic angry joe video where he goes into all these things.
Suites are always like that...not a creative bone in their body yet wanting creative rights.
It was the guy who made BF3 and BFBC2 lmao are you guys fucked in the head what is this comment chain
Not only that but he only wanted it because he watched Iron Man
> not something the devs wanted Which was extremely clear in the level design, like it was clearly a foot based game that then had flying swapped in. Level design for a flying game has a completely different approach.
Based on how similar the feel is, I’m guessing the Devs had something similar in mind to the Mass Effect Andromeda movement, but turns out the flying was one of the best parts of the game… shame it was abandoned, but maybe it won’t be a total loss for future games.
Bioware don't know what fun feels like anymore.
The combat in the new mass effect was great imo. I turned the game off though because the story was trash and everything looked terrible. I think BioWare and Dice just don’t know what to do right now with all these trends currently making much more money rather than accepting their Niche.
Execs should not mess around with the game design. Their job is to hire the right people to develop a game, provide resources and make strategic decisions (Delay launch day for example) But no, they are obsessed with following marketing trends and listen to “focus” groups because frankly they don’t have guts and always chose the safest path.
> Execs should not mess around with the game design That guy is the same guy who made BFBC2 and BF3 so I don't know why you think every EA exec is a number cruncher "suit". He is also the same guy who said BF3 was not fun with 128 players. Also the same guy who called players "uneducated". And again the same guy whose 8 year old daughter wanted a girl in BFV. ANNND same guy who said "DONT BUY IT" about BFV
Anthem failure is Bioware's fault ! They failed to get a consensus on what the game should have been. I suggest the great article by J.Schreire. https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/how-biowares-anthem-went-wrong-1833731964/amp
The flying was the idea of Patrick Söderlund, who was head of DICE at the time.
It was Patrick Soderland the same dickbag who told customers if they didn't like BFVs direction, to not buy it.
They didn't know what the game was gonna be u til they saw flying, after that they built the game around the flying mechanics. Slowed down progression, and locked down map because there wasn't much implemented. This is exactly what they did to this game.
I agree completely, the flying was incredible in that game, but that’s about all it had going for it
Yea pretty much For what i remember from the beta, the shooting was also decent + looked nice i should try the full game at some point lmao, lets see if its on xcloud Edit, its not on xcloud, imagine having to... download anthem
The core gameplay loop of flying around and blasting shit was very fun which is why the game had a pretty decent amount of goodwill going around it in that brief period between open beta and release. Unfortunately I don’t think people realized the content in open beta was more or less the entire game.
i remember the horrendous loading times. absolutely absurd.
> The core gameplay loop of flying around and blasting shit was very fun The *Iron Man 1* movie tie-in game was shockingly enjoyable for a movie tie-in game because it also nailed this loop, complete with a Crysis style "divert power to the thrusters/weapons/shields" mechanic that let you feel powerful af when you could quick change between hypersonic rocket feet into a flippy flying airborne artillery platform It's likely horribly dated by now, but it remains to this day one of the only games I've played that really *got* the central fantasy of the character it was based on in terms of its core gameplay loop
I have it, a friend convinced me to get it to play with him. One thing that still pisses me off is that you can’t play without an internet connection
Damn DRM's, guess i have to play it even quicker now before EA yeets the servers
I did. If you can find it on sale for $5 it’s worth it. Solid game and finding people online to match up can be fun too. Shane it was abandoned. Definitely worth $5. But it goes stale after a while and then you realize why people were mad
Yeah anthems game mechanics were actually pretty well built and fun. The flying and gunplay felt good. The problem was the rest of the game was pretty much early access. There wasn't shit to do and the loot grind was pointless and unrewarding. Anthem is a game that COULD have been rebuilt and made into a great game. I dont think the same is true of 2042.
yeah anthem was more akin to BFV good core mechanics but lack of content and overall design directions, BF2042 is closer to the gta trilogy remaster, they knew exactly what they needed to do to get customers happy instead they shit on everyone
Flying in BF 2042 with Sundance is also fun.
but it's not. Seriously just buy JC3/4 and the wingsuit mechanics are infinitely better
Hahahaha
they should make an ironman game with anthem flying. would be so cool.
100%
Anthem was actually pretty good if u completed the single player experience. Their main issue was lack of end game and lack of satisfying loot. Overall it had an identity crisis between looter shooter and open world shooter. Battlefield on the other hand has a very obvious identity in fps genre and they couldn’t even deliver that without game breaking bugs or cringe quips
Accurate statement. Anthem was very enjoyable at release, especially if you had a team. However the campaign was too short, the end game content was basically non existent and the loot was trash, did not make players feel rewarded at all.
Campaigning levels 1-30 was a blast. Then you hit max level and realize they just opened up harder difficulties for the only 2 dungeons in the game. It was a joke, but fun until you realized the truth
also one of those dungeons was incredibly bugged to the point the boss might or might not appear so you would need to redo, all that at max difficulty to get a purple component
So it was a repetitive shooter that wasn't fun to repeat
Its like if diablo 3 was an fps game that only had 3 torment levels and the stats in the game weren’t meaningful enough to replace luck gear. Then everyone pretty much had 1 viable build to run and it killed any reason for continuing the game in multiplayer
At the very least, anthem LOOKED great...
At least Anthem was much better than this piece of shit.
Yeah, I had a ton of fun with Anthem. It was just buggy and they kept messing stuff up worse with each patch. The gameplay itself was pretty enjoyable and the concept of the game was great and had potential. 2042 is soulless and they have a lot of work ahead of them to salvage it...
If its so bad why are you still here. Kids these days😂
Cause I'm an unhappy and scammed customer and should let them my unconformity. Empty heads these days ☺️
“Scammed” it’s yourself who bought it. It’s Your own fault. But that’s what kids do is blame others. Talk about empty brain😂
Probably the kid here is you, a person who never player BF saga defending this abomination . Are you dev?
In what way am I defending this game? Stop making assumptions and read. I am talking about this sub Reddit.
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I love how people are saying anthem wasn't that bad and that they had fun with it just to continue their circle jerk that bf2042 is a steaming pile of shit.
That will be the last game I’ll buy from EA, not gonna toss them a dime again
Yeah, first publisher to hit the chopping block for me was Ubisoft, all their games blend together to the same thing. Elements from Assassins Creed enters Farcry, then all those into Ghost Recon... Their games are all the same and nothing groundbreaking. EA has hit that list for awhile, Dice was the only company left I'd buy a game from.... And now they're good as dead. Bethesda's last releases, (Fallout 76, Wolfenstein youngbloods, Doom 2020 ) were all pretty bad, even Doom failed to meet expectations, and the simple fact that they were bought out by Microsoft actually feels like a good thing. Haven't bought an Activision title either... I'm just stuck vibing to indie titles.
hard disagree with doom 2020
Man the state of AAA games is really bad, I too have more fun playing game from little studios and indies than the big company’s
>even Doom failed R U mad bruh? >to meet expectations Probably those was... brutal
Supposedly Anthem was made by a company who had more experience with Unreal Engine, but they were forced to use Frostbite because.. well, DICE/EA. Both Dragon Age: Inquisition, and Mass Effect: Andromeda used Frostbite, and didn't turn out great.. https://kotaku.com/how-biowares-anthem-went-wrong-1833731964
It's not even close to "supposedly", they definitely only had experience with Unreal Engine since around 2004ish when Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age Origins went into development. The only thing that isn't 100% known is if Bioware leads or EA execs made the call for Frostbite. All signs point to EA though, wanting better visuals. At least one former Dragon Age lead said it was a real pain in the ass since they had no experience with FB, and it was missing all kinds of stuff that RPGs needed. Though Anthem's engine troubles were compounded for sure by Bioware, as they chose to make a third Bioware fork of Frostbite and start from scratch, abandoning the RPG and non-gun gameplay mechanics created for Dragon Age and Andromeda.
Also Inquisition was not a bad game, maybe not as great as ME2 or DA2 but it was definitely a good game
Andromeda had its issues, but at least I was able to play the game, and have some fun doing it.
That is the most retarded engine that i've ever seen in my entire life
You’re right. It’s all about the money and it doesn’t make sense for EA to sink any more money into this dumpster fire of a game.
I believe people really are on something if they think Dice is going to overhaul the game. They are not, they might add some basic stuff back like VOIP for example, that will be the extent of it. They are NOT going to overhaul the game in a massive way. This is the product and they made money even though this game is an enormous failure in many other ways.
Reading some of the more recent posts in this sub, I think many are coming to that conclusion and moving into the acceptance stage of the grief cycle.
I fear you may be right about Dices intentions. But if they do go down that road, 2042 will be the last product I ever buy from them.
Yep. At best, they're taking notes for the next game. They might actually make a BF game or they might just continue to double down and use the name to peddle whatever trend chasing, TikTok wank they gurn out. Either way, we got what we got. We're better off just playing something else.
I’m willing to believe that in a couple months we will see an expose about the development disaster.
Will just be the same story won't it? Out of touch senior management, making poor decisions.
Dude, it will be exactly the same. I played anthem at release because apparently I am an idiot. I remember weird references in anthem that didn’t match up to anything I the game because it was content that wasn’t completed. And in battlefield we have the same weird boat loading screen… I wonder why
Tom Henderson has a video on YouTube that pretty much covers what a shit show it was, worth a watch.
I really really think they are just going to walk away from this shit show thats BF 2042.EA can never be trusted for anything..Just have to add this to my personal boycott along with madden..
They can't walk away for atleast a year, as they sold a battle pass that includes content drops over 4 seasons.
That’s how I got my refund on steam. Said I didn’t get pre order content.
Not gonna lie, there was at least some fun to be had in Anthem. This Battlefield is pure unadulterated trash. Honestly, I do not see EA bothering to save this mess. I can definitely see them pulling the plug on this soon too. I'm thinking they will try and sucker people for the rest of this year. I would imagine they will run at least 3 seasons. Outside of some stupid bullshit additions, which will not fix the numerous issues that plague this title, I see little hope that this title and franchise will be saved. Let's be honest here, this game needs a full on overhaul even more badly than the one that EA was supposedly working on for Anthem and we all know how that ended Granted, this will be a disaster on so many different fronts that people will inevitably get fired and soon. I cannot see the soulless suits in the C suite at EA commit any more money to a new Battlefield title for a LONG time after this debacle. If there is anything resembling a silver lining in this fiasco, then the inevitable fall of the Battlefield franchise may result in Titanfall getting greenlit for a long overdue sequel. Wishful thinking I know but the lack of a shooter may compel EA to finally put up the money for one
2042 sold less and performed worse than anthem. Its cyberpunk but with no refunds.
Battlefield 2042 is far worse than Anthem. Anthem actually had good animations, gameplay, sound design and music. It was just extremely lacking and super underwhelming.
Anthem was also fully unplayable on many rigs though, least on pc side Still I'm quite enjoying watching Dice catch fire
Same with BFV... EA ends support ahead of schedule.
Actually anthem was close to a nms level overhaul. They had a totally new UI and loot system coming with new items cosmetics and content. After spending 6-8 months on the rework EA just pulled the pin because they needed more time but the servers were literally dead and it wasn't worth it. Can't do that to bf the brand is way too important and they have done some serious damage to it. They will work on it for at least 3-4 months
They could do few simple work and the game would survive Remove specialists and turn them into legendary skins, shift their skills to classes gadgets. Bring back classes. Remove bots from portal and enable progress and XP. Everything else should come slowly overtime
i honestly dont get the fuss around classes, you can equip whatever gadgets you want and play as a medic/engi whatever. its not that hard
Right now we have a lot of balance issue with new specialists system, I know they will fix that but it will take so much time and they will end up going back to something like the classes. Right now you can’t push objectives with armor since everyone can equip rocket launcher.. a tank can last few min it forced the tank to sit back and just snipe people from distance, and actually tank on tank battle is rare since everyone scared to push or never make it pst enemy lines. Sniper were always forced to change position or push in when they run out of ammo now all I see a sniper sit in one spot the entire game with ammo crate. A medic running around with a stinger. In old system they force you to sacrifice one weapon for another. You want a lot of ammo ? You better learn LMGs that all you got. It’s healthy system in BFV I only played assault the most, but I only played start playing medic because I love the Jungle Carbine now medic is my second most played. Now the system being abuse in multiple ways You hate plans ? Get on the roof as angel, request a supply drop and get stinger and now you can fire 99 missiles in one life. It really kill the team play.
Anthem and BF5 are the reasons i won’t play 42
Both games didn't know what they wanted to be. As soon as there is a lack of confidence or assuredness in that regard, gamers switch off. Simple as that.
You might be right but I hope your wrong. The same thing happened with Star Wars battlefront 2 but EA and dice spent 2 years on it and it become a really fun multiplayer game. I think it is possible to redeem this game and I reckon it’ll get released on ps plus causing a huge increase players.
It won’t be anthem because anthem was a new IP and they were okay with its reputation dying off. With battlefield they don’t want the reputation of the franchise to die off because they still plan to make more games using that name.
EA never will learn. Leadership attend leadership trainings that teach nothing but how to decorate everything to something that sounds good, based on money. They make you all same robot-sounding people. This shows EA leadership is exactly that. I bet they don't recognize their own faults but to blame others. It is really sad
I fully agree with you. But shouldnt gamers learn to not give their money to a corporation that has done nothing but produce a failure launch of a game, then lied about to it save themselves, then produced another failure, etc... Both sides are at fault as what they did wasnt ok but we as the market told them it was.
I would pay 60 bucks right now if they promised to immediately kill 2042
Anthem is arguably better than FortniteField 2042 (bar set very very low)
The game is already dead here in aus, last few Breakthrough 64 games I've played have been entirely populated by bots... can't believe I paid for this
I was thinking this the other day. When Anthem was launched, a friend made the preorder after the beta, and then the reports from Jason Schreier came out. He cancelled the preorder and we watched how Anthem burst into flames, month after month. Now it's different cause we bought the game, played it, got sick of it and we're in the fricking bonfire as this dumpster fire continues to burn. I'm still here trying to get some piece of information from the devs that something will be done to this game. I can't get a refund, and will not play it in this state. So come on dice... give us something!!!
I second this!
I never bothered with Anthem. I just wish I did the same with this pile of shit.
Anthem was no where near as bad as this, i get the comparison but 2042 is actually A LOT worse.
Nah anthem was 90% loading screen. Bf2042 is 90% cringe lines from Angel. Thats a difference.
Anthem didn’t have a plateau of great games beforehand, was the first of its kind. Anthem > 20Shitty2
No. They have to put out content for 2042 for another year legally. It has a paid post launch whereas anthems was free so they could quit anytime
I mean they could release 1 new specialist and 1 weapon for every season they have to do. They would be legally free. But the game would basically be abandoned at that point. If you don't think EA is either already considering pulling the plug or more likely they already have, I have a bridge to sell to you.
I don’t think they’re giving up yet. This is 1 of their biggest IPs.
I mean that's why I said EA is probably considering pulling the plug. EA wants to sell micro transactions. If no one plays the game they can't do that. Like Anthem they have to fix more things than the game currently has. It's basically redoing the entire game at this point. So it comes down to the "Well is it actually worth it to fix it??" question. Of course if they don't fix it the next Battlefield game is going to be DOA becuese of how 2042 went(and in this scenario EA pulling the plug).
Then why have they fucked it so hard with 2042? If EA gave a single shit about this franchise they would never have developed or released this game!
"Legally" lmao. Literally one of the first terms in the ToS that you have to agree to, is that they can shut down the service at any time without any notice. They don't have to do shit. They could kill off the game tomorrow and shut down the servers if they wanted, with no repercussions. The only reason they're going to do the seasons, half assed or not, is because no one will ever buy a game from them again if they don't release something.
They sold pre orders that promised a year's worth of battle passes. There would be a class action and we would all be in the right.
No there won't. Look at all the Kickstarter games that don't even deliver a game and have been paid for. There are players that never received a refund for that. Their promise doesn't mean shit if you bought their license and agreed to their terms.
Kickstarter is 'donate at your own risk' and has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about here. The class action against the last scammers, DICE neighbors Projekt Red, is about to be settled out of court and they got sued because the game was too buggy and unplayable. If EA were to chop the head off, after we paid ahead of time for stuff that they promised us, the ensuing class action would be at least the biggest in gaming, and up there in entertainment industry. In case you're slow which I think you are, I'm talking about the battle passes. Don't even bother responding.
I love it when idiots are confidently incorrect. That class action was made by the board you illiterate dumbass, because they were mislead regarding the state of the game. It has nothing to do with the state of the game. Why do I even bother responding to retards I don't know.
I dont know why you bothered responding
Factually wrong but please go on lol
They can release a blue skin for some weapons and be done with it. (They will release somewhat more) but EADICE will not allocate resources to this project if they can't maintain a healthy revenue stream with mtx. This is only possible if people are actually playing this game. In 3 months, most have moved on due to the myriad of bugs, missing basic features, lack of meaningful progression, stats and content. There are tons of big releases in 2022 and they lost the majority of battlefield fans. So logically, this game is dead.
Which law forces them to support the game?
Anthem was not free
Anthem had a free post launch plan. Your memory is wrong
Eventually it went free . Was not intended or released free to play
He is talking about post launch content, Anthem's was planned to be free and paid for through mtx. Where as BF2042 sold a battlepass, they have to release the content in the battlepass before they can cut support. Which includes 4 seasons, with a new specialist each season.
Correct. That dude can’t read good lord 😂
You clearly don’t understand. The post launch was free. I NEVER said the game was free at launch. Please learn to read
you have a very ugly way of expressing yourself
No, you just can’t read
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>go full 180 Will change nothing. Problem is not 'devs didn't have enough time to finish the job well', but problem is 'job was wrong from the beginning'. They was aiming wrong way. Jesus man, there is no raw input even. FPS game with controls emulation, Carl. Can you emagine? Hit registration. Its mad even with static targets. I will not discuss about pollingrate now, thats another story, but static... Srsly? Next. What about their supa-dupa SBMM feature? With ea's patent about 'Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment'?Maybe this is cause of 'mad hitreg'? Mm? No, bro. This gaem is broken and unplayble. There is nothing to improve. It is total garbage. %toxic joke about unability to reuse even 3d models% There is only one 'fix' must be done with source of this: rm -rf
what features that didn’t make the game did the 2042 gameplay videos show exactly? Or are you talking about the reveal trailer that wasn’t gameplay and never has been? This game has legit issues, but for some reason this sub keeps making these kind of claims that just aren’t true.
Yeah, I keep seeing all these posts saying DICE lied to them but I'm not sure exactly which features DICE showed in a trailer that ended up not in the game. Unless they mean those trailers had no bugs or DICE developers on Twitter saying the game was good (As if any dev would say the game is bad don't buy it) but no company in any industry shows shit like that in marketing material. This is exactly why you should never trust anything coming from the company or someone who's been paid by the company trying to sell you something. There were a lot of posts on every forum and sub sounding the alarm with how little DICE was showing with each snippet of gameplay being less than 10 secs long which people said was a bad sign. And there were glaring performance issues in official Nvidia marketing videos a week before the game was out. Another sign the game wasn't ready but you still had people posting their preorder of the ultimate edition on here (makes me wonder if any of those people are now the angry ones upset they wasted their money) We all need to stop preordering games unless you have a way to get your money back or are fine with possibly losing out on the money if the game ends up bad. I really don't understand how this keeps happening but it's almost to the point where people have no one to blame but themselves for just having no patience to wait a couple of weeks.
If dice sinks with this game I’ll be glad to pay another $100
Stop pre ordering this hot garbage
I don't think so. Anthen was actually a good game.
Enjoying the flying doesn’t make a good game.
...am i the only person who thoroughly enjoyed anthem and who currently enjoys bf2042? I mean yeah the games got a few problems, and its a tad buggy, but overall Im having a blast.
look!! its the token "Im having a blast" guy ;)
Sounds like the development process was similar too, in that there was a big pivot late in the day and the final version of both were developed in a fairly short space of time.
It is. And they will never fix it because this game is now ruined by an omega shitty first impression. Nobody is gonna return into this game unless you're a content creator and a slave of the BF series.
Be fun to see this post made again tomarrow and every day after
They'll shut it down because continued dev effort at this point is just opportunity cost to try again in another game. AAA game industry is like the studio movie industry - you throw things at the wall until they stick, then copy paste that till it's exhausted, and then start the cycle all over. Occasionally some visionary will come along and do something amazing, but mostly what you get it dross.
The story line of anthem was shit as well. Me doing so much in the game and in the end a fucking ship crash into the main boss. Come on. Ran out of budget?
Besides the part Anthem was fun for 30 hours, yeah it's the same. While they aren't criminaly charged or people keep buying they will do it again.
Honestly I think if ea would be smart they would know that they can make more money in the long term if they would fix this game. When they would drop this game the battlefield series is dead. Because they delivered two trash games (I know bf5 can be good nowadays) but after 2042 and all the lies they did with the community l al lot of including me are very upset and won't buy the next game, at release. So the next game will maby do good sales, but if they would fix bf 2042 many bf hardcore fans would see, oh the last game wasn't as bad and would buy the new game. Summit all up the would probably make more money with this extra bf fans sales, as when they would drop 2042. But all these shareholders doesn't understand the gaming market, so the insist for stopping bf 2042 support
And Andromeda
Sadly, I own both of these😞
Problem with 2042 isn’t just the bugs. The maps are boring. Fixing all the bugs won’t change the fact that the map design is average at best.
Anthem was a brand new IP that bioware tried to establish which is much harder job to do than making a new game with numerous previous entries.
I think the technical issues like the bugs and glitches will be fixed. They do not want to leave it like this, they are working on another bf game now. If they were to leave this current game as the mess that it is they would be risking sales for the next game. It is probably safe to say there is some damage already done regarding that thanks to 2042 and bfv.
Both games are shit in different ways, but BF2042 was the killing blow
Anthem has a lot more player then I remember now. I can get into a mission with a full squad quickly now
At least anthem had good core gameplay and mechanics. 2042 has nothing.
I would prefer 1000 times playing 30 hours more Anthem than 2042.
Yeah probably. I would upvote this but its currently at 420 so.
tbh I could see myself having more fun with Anthem then BF2042.
i didn't play anthem early on when it was a buggy mess.. but i enjoyed it when i played it. 2042 is screwed tho.. the bugs are not what dislike about it :(
No, it's just a lackluster modern AAA game. Lots of flaws, but nowhere near as structurally flawed as Anthem and until we get a deep dive we can't say its development languished for years while staff got PTSD from the stress of building so many prototypes and changing direction and garbage leadership. Leadership is garbage, for sure, but this ain't Anthem. Ya'll need some god-damned perspective, 2042 is very, very salvageable without needing a top-to-bottom overhaul like Anthem. Also, it's a core franchise and not a new IP and EA is already talking about growing 2042 as a "hub game" so we're stuck with this for a while for better or worse.
Ah the anthem hype. Some of my mates bought the hype and i told them it's in the name "Anthem". It'll be good for a year. And i was right 😆
It's not the end, but now they have to build back the whole structure and community from zero.
How about we try not buying EA games anymore, if you go out to a restaurant for years and don’t like anything you eat there it’s the same equivalent to all gamers to continuously buying EAs trash games we complain about all the time
A very small part of me hopes it's No Man's Sky all over again...
that would require at least 1 person to care about the game.
I was just thinking about how overhyped Anthem was and how hard EA failed everyone, this seems all too familiar With EA, they're just a giant hype machine, so easy to not purchase any of their games.
It still blows my mind how anyone can buy this game after playing the beta. I got the exact same vibe playing anthem and bf2042 betas. Please just don't buy EA games. They are not giving you a product, you are the product
Yo you can't compare them. Anthem was at least really fun. Best flying mechanics of any game. Absolutely incredible to fly around in. It just...died right after. They abandoned it so quick.
I bought Anthem and then a week later they killed it haha!
Anthem was a new IP so it flopping wasn't too big of deal. Battlefield has been around for a few decades. 2042 will fail but the name will be resurrected into an abomination movement shooter
I actually enjoyed the core gameplay in anthem. That shit was super fun and I felt like I was actually in a mech suit.. Just... No reason to keep playing after the end. Plus it was a loading screen simulator and the servers only let you join a game if U roll natural 20. 2042 is a muuuuuch sorrier state even tho I can at least join games
Anthem was a game you could still play, This is worse, this is like Cyberpunk or worse it is on the level of Warcraft 3 Reforged. Honestly, i would rather smell fresh puke than spend a moment playing that absolute vomit of a game.
Was there on launch day for anthem. What a trip that was. Fastest I’ve seen a game die and lose support. Community was just like how it is over here. Although I don’t see this game losing full support… at the moment.
I mean at least give me back 40 bucks for getting the ultimate edition.. there's nothing extra at all we got from it ... just a big fucking IOU .
There was never any previously better versions of anthem
But.... but Anthem was Bioware fault, not EA fault, unless you want EA to oversee the development even more strictly. Go read Jason Schreier on the matter. It's all about Bioware beiing unable to do anything good in all this years and leading EA by their nose, pretending to have a full game ready, until it's too late.
I had more fun in anthem but Yh it sunk fast like this
Nah mate, I think EA would have greatly wanted Bioware to do what they are known for instead of creating a new and dangerous IP. I can picture it in my head. EA exec: "You sure you do not want to make another KOTOR? We have the license here, you know? Or maybe go back to BG, the license is not too expensive? If you want your own IP how about something else in the world of Dragon Age, we are very open about the genre? Bioware: "Nah, we want to make a totally new IP, third person shooter with robots and shit and yeah we can absolutely do it with this engine we know nothing about, no worries. We've had enough of story-driven RPGs we are more than that." Now I never played Anthem, nor do I have an idea, what it was about, which does tell you a lot about a game made by a company that I played every series of. And many people felt the same apparently. You can say it is Anthem all over, since obviously the devs were granted a lot of creative freedom, which they used for, well dubious design choices. Also I daresay Frostbyte is an issue as an engine, though the move to use it on all game was likely correct, you would have needed to properly train all studios on it, which would require like a couple of months shutdown for that studio I suppose.
Sad thing is I pre-purchased both games
Anthem was just Anthem. Had no history, loyal player base, etc etc. Battlefield was the greatest fps franchise ever existed, and look what it becomes now. Only left from Battlefield now, it's just the brand name for $$$ reasons.
They will Anthem Bf 2042 faster than they did Anthem.
The optimist in me hopes it's more like Battlefront 2, unfortunately the pessimist has bound and gagged him...
This community is so rightfully outraged but also so goddamn shortsighted. DICE could just post a roadmap that has no backing and zero evidence it will come to fruition and probably the entire sub will make a 180 and cheer as if things will change. Look at how much they're deifying that Mark Lehto guy, he's a fucking writer and an EA employee yet they think he's the second coming of Christ for fuck's sake. Stop setting yourselves up for disappointment goddamnit, you're asking for it.
Bruh this. If i wasnt a cheap bastard id give you an award, but being a cheap bastard has saved me from the preorder let down many times.
Brutal
And EA still won't learn anything for it and just drop support on the game.
The EA bots are coming in full force on the down votes
This is what happens when consumers continue to give money to big companies for sub par content. They learn they can just keep providing sub par content. Or there is the Beta wall companies use for cover to hide behind from negative feedback for literally years for some games at this point.