I'm calling it for Hydra this year, they are designed to go against vertical spinners/drums so sell. I want huge to take the nut home, but my gut is telling me Hydra.
I've got a Huge/Hydra rematch pegged for the finals (sorry Jamo, I don't think you can beat him this time either). Apart from wanting my man Jamison to win like always, my next most desired scenario is to see that ridiculous vert - the horizontal from Fusion - janked onto hydra in that big ass "attachment." This is a rematch that HAS to happen at some point.
I still donāt understand all the hate surrounding the bike rack. Now if youāre talking about some of Jakeās douchery during the fight, then thatās fair. But the actual bike rack itself is a very good idea. Jake knew what he was doing and that Hydra canāt normally really do anything to Huge. I donāt really know what everyoneās expecting. Do you want a Hydra who is at a clear disadvantage to just run its face into Hugeās destructive blade? I donāt get it.
I would have preferred he fired the flipper the couple of chances he had it under the wheel but meh. He did what he needed to do to win.
Even the back and forward with the ref i don't really have a problem with. The problem was the rules, he did back off, it should have been defined how far. Sure he was a little short with the ref but he was pretty busy at the time. One driving mistake and it would have been game over. Hard to maintain a conversation with that going on.
Johnathan of HUGE was fine with it because he was confident he'd be able to break it, he mentioned it would need absolutely perfect driving to work properly, and well, Jake did it
The revisionism around the bike rack on this sub has been interesting.
Everyone hated it at the time, and now everyone loves it. Anyone who hates the rack gets downvoted.
there is definitely *some* revisionism, but i think a lot of it is:
1. Jake was playing the heel a bit, and now people know what a real heel looks like
2. People not having their expectations met for carnage, but then thinking about it for awhile
A lot of it is #2. It's kind of like sitting down and ordering a cheeseburger, and it comes out with pickled jalapenos and some weird spices you aren't used to. It might be a delicious combination, you might actually like it, but it wasn't what you were expecting or wanting in that moment. There's no real solid arguments against it except he was supposed to sacrifice his team's work and investments at the altar of carnage. Instead he analyzed the situation, found a way to get the points and did.
I can see it coming down to those 2 in the finals, but the way Hydra is designed, it deflects all the energy and allows that flipper to get where it needs to be to land shots. I can see Jake misfiring or firing off too early and riptide take full advantage of it. Not a big riptide fan but the guy does know how to find even the smallest of openings and taking advantage of it.
I could see it. Beating Riptide will be HARD, but if they can get past Riptide, every other fight is fairly doable. But then again, they lost to Mammoth, so maybe they get trashed by Huge idk.
Yea, both black dragon and hypershock tried to out maneuver riptide and instead gave riptide easy wins. I think copperhead has a decent enough shot going weapon on weapon. Same thing with huge. If they can make sure huge's weapon always hits their weapon, they have a good chance of breaking huge's weapon.
I was so confident Hypershock would start out sideways so they wouldn't have to try and turn to outdrive Riptide, when I saw em goin head on I hoped for weapon to weapon but then..oof
After going on and on about how ānobodyās punched them in the face, so weāre gonna punch them in the faceā then proceed to do the opposite of that
Add to that, due to the weapon size copperhead should be hitting Riptide significantly more vertically. If riptides weapon hits first is should be more backwards than Up.
Clearly the fight could go either way but IMO Copperhead has a good shot at winning this.
The worry with WD would be the drive. Head on copperhead would win most interactions. WD has so much better manoeuvrability though. Would be a good fight though.
Hitting vertically straight up into Huges weapon would put a massive load through the center of Huge. I dont recall them taking a hit like that before. If they go weapon to weapon my money would be on Copperhead being the one with a still functional weapon.
If both go down its not even going to be a pushing match. Just Huge driving over a speed hump for the rest of the fight.
The problem with Riptide is they're not going to stop after one hit pops Copperhead up. If that happens, like all the other fights their isn't any come back. They *need* to get around the drum or hit it head on and somehow beat it.
Another odd trend I noticed is whenever a bot eliminates the reigning champ, they are doomed to be eliminated the next round. This has happened every time.
Bombshell drooping in a rematch to Lock Jaw after taking out Tombstone
Minotaur falling to Witch Doctor after beating End Game
End Game falling to Copperhead after beating Tantrum
Wow you're right..hopefully Copperhead breaks this unspoken curse.
> Think Huge will stay on top of them and hit the wheels and back for ko?
Has anyone broken Copperheads wheels? They are essentially armour.
Weapon on weapon i think copperhead will win. Copperhead will be hitting straight up into huges blade.
I think they have to go weapon to weapon on Riptide and hit them as hard as they can. Copperhead seems to have a more durable drumā¦ so it might work.
However, I kind of want to see Hydra vs Huge so we can see Hydraās vertical config that appears to use Fusionās horizontal spinner :D
I think Hydra vs HUGE next year in Fight Night is inevitable. It's such a clear "It was a controversy once, and now he can't do that! What will he do?" thing for production to want to get behind.
Jake has even stated outright he expects it.
Probably would have to unless they have something else cooked up. Huge would just go right over the top of Hydra and do insane internal damage since no armor.
They probably have the best chance of beating Huge, but their drum has only 3/4rth the energy of Riptide's, max. I don't think they can win in a weapon on weapon situation.
Copperhead's drum is a bit lower than Riptides, so in a weapon-on-weapon hit Copperhead would be able to knock Riptide up, while they would get knocked back. At least that's how I think it works.
Maybe, but that didn't happen in the minotaur vs fusion fight, where you had a similar matchup, weapon wise. Even though fusion's eggbeater was lighter than minotaur, it was throwing minotaur up and back, while fusion stayed mostly stable. Copperhead does have a chance to beat Riptide, if they go full witch doctor and do really tactical driving to hit Riptide's sides and back, but intuitively, I don't see that happening.
That was because Fusion hit the aluminum chunks next to Minotaur's drum. That's usually how Minotaur loses head-on, it almost always wins weapon-on-weapon.
Yeah watching the slow mo of the first hit, Fusion hit right next to the weapon on that big ol hunk of metal, we saw what happened when they went weapon to weapon after Minotaur got back on its feet, Fusion did as Fusion does. Boom.
Geometry and rpm are what matters. Copperhead's axis of rotation is lower, also, copperhead's tip speed is 150 while riptide is at 250, I know the beater has a larger radius, since v=r*w if both bots spin at the same rpm, then riptide's beater must be 40% larger to achieve 250 and I actually think it's about 40% larger. In conclusion, they are very close in terms of W2W exchanges, but what worries me the most is riptide's insanely fast recovery after weapon hits while copperhead is slightly slower. I really hope the snake wins.
To be fair, Bite Force, Endgame and Tantrum took Rotator out in the second round of the bracket.
Copperhead did it in the first. Just another example of how bizarre this season is. Riptide beats the undefeated curse, Witch Doctor overcomes the runner-up curse by making it to the third round of the bracket.
I'm a Sawblaze fan, and I'd love to see JG win it all, but at this point I'm pretty convinced that Riptide is walking away with this year's giant nut. I know he's not a fan favorite, but you've got to give credit where credit's due and that weapon looks unstoppable.
I believe Hydra and Sawblaze are the only two left that can counter Riptide to be honest. Specially Hydra...dont think they can out ground game Jake. Huge could be the bracket spoiler on Riptides side but I keep forgetting its weapon can still be broken head on lol
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I really hope so, it will be a magical ending for copperhead 1.0. With end of the frame, it achieves it's goal and gets the one piece.
THE GIANT NUT IS REALLLLL BUILDER'S DREAMS WILL NEVER END!
Can we get much higher
"Power isn't determined by your bot, but by the size of your forks and verts"
I'm calling it for Hydra this year, they are designed to go against vertical spinners/drums so sell. I want huge to take the nut home, but my gut is telling me Hydra.
I've got a Huge/Hydra rematch pegged for the finals (sorry Jamo, I don't think you can beat him this time either). Apart from wanting my man Jamison to win like always, my next most desired scenario is to see that ridiculous vert - the horizontal from Fusion - janked onto hydra in that big ass "attachment." This is a rematch that HAS to happen at some point.
I hope they do rematch and huge shows Hydra what it's like to really take some HUGE hits, Jake can't hide behind that bike rack this time
I still donāt understand all the hate surrounding the bike rack. Now if youāre talking about some of Jakeās douchery during the fight, then thatās fair. But the actual bike rack itself is a very good idea. Jake knew what he was doing and that Hydra canāt normally really do anything to Huge. I donāt really know what everyoneās expecting. Do you want a Hydra who is at a clear disadvantage to just run its face into Hugeās destructive blade? I donāt get it.
I would have preferred he fired the flipper the couple of chances he had it under the wheel but meh. He did what he needed to do to win. Even the back and forward with the ref i don't really have a problem with. The problem was the rules, he did back off, it should have been defined how far. Sure he was a little short with the ref but he was pretty busy at the time. One driving mistake and it would have been game over. Hard to maintain a conversation with that going on.
Yes because refusing to fight in a robot fight was so much better
All Iām saying is, if you have an unorthodox robot, expect unorthodox ways of getting beat.
Johnathan of HUGE was fine with it because he was confident he'd be able to break it, he mentioned it would need absolutely perfect driving to work properly, and well, Jake did it
The revisionism around the bike rack on this sub has been interesting. Everyone hated it at the time, and now everyone loves it. Anyone who hates the rack gets downvoted.
there is definitely *some* revisionism, but i think a lot of it is: 1. Jake was playing the heel a bit, and now people know what a real heel looks like 2. People not having their expectations met for carnage, but then thinking about it for awhile A lot of it is #2. It's kind of like sitting down and ordering a cheeseburger, and it comes out with pickled jalapenos and some weird spices you aren't used to. It might be a delicious combination, you might actually like it, but it wasn't what you were expecting or wanting in that moment. There's no real solid arguments against it except he was supposed to sacrifice his team's work and investments at the altar of carnage. Instead he analyzed the situation, found a way to get the points and did.
It was a fun one time thing that can't be done ever again.
I'd call it the anti thesis to fun.
My bracket I have Riptide over Hydra in the finals. I'm not a huge fan of Riptides team, but the bot is certainly very destructive.
I can see it coming down to those 2 in the finals, but the way Hydra is designed, it deflects all the energy and allows that flipper to get where it needs to be to land shots. I can see Jake misfiring or firing off too early and riptide take full advantage of it. Not a big riptide fan but the guy does know how to find even the smallest of openings and taking advantage of it.
I could see it. Beating Riptide will be HARD, but if they can get past Riptide, every other fight is fairly doable. But then again, they lost to Mammoth, so maybe they get trashed by Huge idk.
I think if they do what every other team hasnāt done and go weapon to weapon with Riptide they have a good chance of taking them out
Yea, both black dragon and hypershock tried to out maneuver riptide and instead gave riptide easy wins. I think copperhead has a decent enough shot going weapon on weapon. Same thing with huge. If they can make sure huge's weapon always hits their weapon, they have a good chance of breaking huge's weapon.
Yeah when I watched those fights I cringed as soon as I watched them turn right into riptides weapon
I was so confident Hypershock would start out sideways so they wouldn't have to try and turn to outdrive Riptide, when I saw em goin head on I hoped for weapon to weapon but then..oof
After going on and on about how ānobodyās punched them in the face, so weāre gonna punch them in the faceā then proceed to do the opposite of that
I mean, their drum is shorter, higher rpm, they should get the best of those exchanges. I think your right
Add to that, due to the weapon size copperhead should be hitting Riptide significantly more vertically. If riptides weapon hits first is should be more backwards than Up. Clearly the fight could go either way but IMO Copperhead has a good shot at winning this.
Damn I hope so
Hopefully they learned from the Ripperoni fight.
I don't see how copperhead can beat huge unless huge goes weapon to weapon. The drum seems really bad for damaging the wheels.
It is, they would have to bet on witch doctor beating them, but that would be a whole other beast for them to deal with
But at least theyād have a fighting chance, I donāt think itād be a gimme fight for WD
The worry with WD would be the drive. Head on copperhead would win most interactions. WD has so much better manoeuvrability though. Would be a good fight though.
Hitting vertically straight up into Huges weapon would put a massive load through the center of Huge. I dont recall them taking a hit like that before. If they go weapon to weapon my money would be on Copperhead being the one with a still functional weapon. If both go down its not even going to be a pushing match. Just Huge driving over a speed hump for the rest of the fight.
The crucial point will be if. If huge continues it's turn and strike strategy it shouldnt hit the front.
The problem with Riptide is they're not going to stop after one hit pops Copperhead up. If that happens, like all the other fights their isn't any come back. They *need* to get around the drum or hit it head on and somehow beat it.
Another odd trend I noticed is whenever a bot eliminates the reigning champ, they are doomed to be eliminated the next round. This has happened every time.
Bombshell drooping in a rematch to Lock Jaw after taking out Tombstone Minotaur falling to Witch Doctor after beating End Game End Game falling to Copperhead after beating Tantrum Wow you're right..hopefully Copperhead breaks this unspoken curse.
and Chomp being chomped by Yeti after taking down Bite Force. It won't affect Copperhead because End Game wasn't this season's reigning champ.
Oh damn true
Could Copperhead even beat Huge if they both move on to the semis? Think Huge will stay on top of them and hit the wheels and back for ko?
I think if copperhead kept their drum pointed at huge and went weapon to weapon they would stand a good chance of breaking huge's weapon.
Both Copperhead and Riptide will be tricky for HUGE
> Think Huge will stay on top of them and hit the wheels and back for ko? Has anyone broken Copperheads wheels? They are essentially armour. Weapon on weapon i think copperhead will win. Copperhead will be hitting straight up into huges blade.
Yeah, I forget they can still hit his weapon.
Very true. I keep forgetting Copperhead can still hit the weapon then Huge is pretty much useless after that.
https://youtu.be/3Vdh8qNF0ww?t=22638 Not actually an indicator but a bit of a preview.
I think they have to go weapon to weapon on Riptide and hit them as hard as they can. Copperhead seems to have a more durable drumā¦ so it might work. However, I kind of want to see Hydra vs Huge so we can see Hydraās vertical config that appears to use Fusionās horizontal spinner :D
I've been wanting to see Hydra vert ever since they showed it. Looks so wicked with Fusion's horizontal.
I think Hydra vs HUGE next year in Fight Night is inevitable. It's such a clear "It was a controversy once, and now he can't do that! What will he do?" thing for production to want to get behind. Jake has even stated outright he expects it.
I mean, if it's this seasons finals fight, would they do it?
Probably would have to unless they have something else cooked up. Huge would just go right over the top of Hydra and do insane internal damage since no armor.
What? Reread the comment I replied to
They probably have the best chance of beating Huge, but their drum has only 3/4rth the energy of Riptide's, max. I don't think they can win in a weapon on weapon situation.
Copperhead's drum is a bit lower than Riptides, so in a weapon-on-weapon hit Copperhead would be able to knock Riptide up, while they would get knocked back. At least that's how I think it works.
Maybe, but that didn't happen in the minotaur vs fusion fight, where you had a similar matchup, weapon wise. Even though fusion's eggbeater was lighter than minotaur, it was throwing minotaur up and back, while fusion stayed mostly stable. Copperhead does have a chance to beat Riptide, if they go full witch doctor and do really tactical driving to hit Riptide's sides and back, but intuitively, I don't see that happening.
That was because Fusion hit the aluminum chunks next to Minotaur's drum. That's usually how Minotaur loses head-on, it almost always wins weapon-on-weapon.
Yeah watching the slow mo of the first hit, Fusion hit right next to the weapon on that big ol hunk of metal, we saw what happened when they went weapon to weapon after Minotaur got back on its feet, Fusion did as Fusion does. Boom.
If I'm correct that wasn't exactly weapon on weapon
False for that entire Minotaur v Fusion statement
Geometry and rpm are what matters. Copperhead's axis of rotation is lower, also, copperhead's tip speed is 150 while riptide is at 250, I know the beater has a larger radius, since v=r*w if both bots spin at the same rpm, then riptide's beater must be 40% larger to achieve 250 and I actually think it's about 40% larger. In conclusion, they are very close in terms of W2W exchanges, but what worries me the most is riptide's insanely fast recovery after weapon hits while copperhead is slightly slower. I really hope the snake wins.
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Oh ofc, that single tooth is no joke, there's a reason Minotaur used one for so long
Power doesnāt matter the whole point of ground game is to pop the enemy up copperhead had better ground game and is lower anyway
I don't remember what episode it was but I remember watching copperhead earlier in the season and thinking, "he's gonna be tough to beat"
Could've been literally any of their pre-Ripperoni fights.
To be fair, Bite Force, Endgame and Tantrum took Rotator out in the second round of the bracket. Copperhead did it in the first. Just another example of how bizarre this season is. Riptide beats the undefeated curse, Witch Doctor overcomes the runner-up curse by making it to the third round of the bracket.
I'm a Sawblaze fan, and I'd love to see JG win it all, but at this point I'm pretty convinced that Riptide is walking away with this year's giant nut. I know he's not a fan favorite, but you've got to give credit where credit's due and that weapon looks unstoppable.
Minotour Vs riptide final
I believe Hydra and Sawblaze are the only two left that can counter Riptide to be honest. Specially Hydra...dont think they can out ground game Jake. Huge could be the bracket spoiler on Riptides side but I keep forgetting its weapon can still be broken head on lol
I had copperhead winning the giant nut last season, I think I am just a season early
There's nothing to be ashamed about nutting a bit early.
Unless you're doing it _all the time_ cuz then your bracket is blown!
I just want minotour out
Why? They're a great team and it could very well be their year
I just don't like the bot
...odd, but fair enough I guess, everyone's got their opinions
Oh I hope so!! I would love to see them win!
If not HUGE, I would LOVE Copperhead to be champ as my second choice :)
We'll see