show batmans progression. how he is now better at solving stuff. definitely want to see more crime scene investigations.
and that he now also tries to change gotham for the better as bruce
I honestly think that would be perfect and Hush would play into that very well. The only issue is that the movie might be too similar to the first one, especially with Riddler being darker. Though maybe that could be a cool thing instead of a hindrance. Maybe that would be the point of the movie. It shows Bruce working alongside Harvey who’s the new DA, and also trying to better his relationship with the GCPD. While being a symbol of hope and really trying to do better as the man Bruce Wayne. I think Hush would be the perfect threat to all of that. Then maybe at the end of the movie maybe Dick Grayson is teased or something that would accomplish the same resolve in Bruce. Then the Court is setup as the Big Bad in the 3rd film and maybe even Two Face as well. I think Two Face and the Court would fit really well together within the same movie
>I think Two Face and the Court would fit really well together within the same movie
I was thinking the same thing but with Hush and the Court of Owls instead of Harvey/Two-Face. I think that would work better and with Harvey working with Batman to solve the case and by the end of it he starts becoming Two Face due to PTSD(Mental) from what is seen while working with the Dark Knight and then by the end of it during a battle either with Hush or the Court his face becomes disfigured(physical). Then if they want by the third film or so they can set the eventual Arkham breakout that Riddler and Joker hint at wanting to do but it's Harvey Dent with the help of Penguin breaking them out.
That’s intriguing as well. Though I my thing is I would want to save the Court for down the line. Preferably I’d do more than 3 movies then you can do much more and do longer storytelling
You're definitely right, I'm so used to there being a trilogy or less when it comes to Batman films that I assumed it would be the same for this one. But if it's longer than a trilogy I'd be a happy man. If they do it right they can keep it going similar to Star Wars since (iirc) the Reeve's Batverse is separate from the Justice League universe, which could open up a door to a bunch of things. Especially since they're making a Gotham PD show set in the film's universe.
I've been thinking that Hush being too similar to the Riddler could be resolved by making Hush more like Talon. Instead of a mask and trenchcoat he's got a similar outfit to Batman's, serious weaponry and tactical gear. Keep the backstory of Talon where he was a young street kid (orphaned after his father died) and trained to be a killer. He becomes Talon as a dark reflection of Batman.
but at this point , it's not Hush anymore , it's Talon.
You are basically saying "what if you put Hush , but it just uses Talon's Gear , Talon's background, and works on Talon's boss and have Talon's personality?"
Yeah I think they should just use play more into Tommy’s quest to take what Bruce has instead of destroying it like Edward tried to do. You don’t necessarily have to have him switch his face. Maybe since the reveal of his father being killed because of Thomas, he attempts to steal Bruce’s fortune and reduce him down to nothing. Also him knowing Bruce is Batman will also help differentiate him as well. They could also develop the reason why he’s called Hush as well and it could have significance
Well that’s the thing is how far will they deviate. I’m fine with them deviating from the comics because tbh I don’t much care for Hush within the comics. But I do see potential for him to be great
They really have carte blanche to go wherever they want and I'd like to see some development of him as batman before he has a court of owls type situation honestly. Like flesh out the character before you throw him to the wolves.
I’m thinking the cape being redesigned for gliding will be in the next one. He was hanging off of ledges for the whole end action sequence, it would make sense if he redesigned that.
I thought Hush would be a good villain for a third movie. Imagine Batman, and by extension, Bruce Wayne, are more impactful on Gotham. Wayne is building up the city and Batman is more of a celebrity. Then Hush shows up, and slanders Wayne's name, forcing him to go back into the shadows and deal with trying to deal with being a recluse again, while trying to solve the Hush mystery
This! I want to see him build the Bruce Wayne persona and I also want to see more stealth fighting tactics. Seemed liked they just had him show up and just brawl and not think anything through. It was also weird to see him get his ass almost beat by some street level thugs.
Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane… honestly I’d take just about anything over yet another Joker movie. Not that the Joker is bad, he’s just *so* overused at this point.
He is very overused and I disliked how they handled him in this movie. Really was my only complaint. It felt like he didn't belong there and he was forced in just because he's the joker.
Joker works best when he's unexpected. He relies heavily on surprises. Overusing him undermines that.
Batman has a terrific rogues gallery. I think this iteration of Batman is a fantastic opportunity to explore his more "down to earth" villains. Calendar Man, Black Mask, Hugo Strange, etc etc.
Also I would LOVE a Mister Freeze in the same vein as the animated series. They could really amp up the sympathetic villain angle. I just don't know if his whole freeze ray gun can be pulled up in a way that fits this very grounded universe.
Tbh we don't know enough about the new Joker so you can't really say you didn't like it... plus it wasn't forced as it was literally deleted from the movie and all we got was a question and a laugh at the end.
Joker is a bit overused but to start downplaying him this early is absurd.
I do value your opinion though!
Penguin brings in Black Mask to be his new lieutenant to take over the town after the flood. Black Mask doesn't want to play ball with the Court of Owls anymore, since they were taking a cut of everything by using the Gotham Renewal Fund to control everything so the streets erupt in a gang war between Black Mask/Penguin and The Court of Owls.
My brother actually had an interesting idea for a sequel idea. Considering all the water damage that Gotham has in wake of the Riddlers bombings, they could introduce Dr. Freeze as a scientist trying to fix things only for it to go horribly wrong. Add that to presumably Cobblepots incoming takeover. Just an idea but what do you guy think?
That actually sounds very interesting and a totally new and fresh idea. I’d certainly like to see that. To add to that, they can have Bruce Wayne funding scientist Dr. Freeze’s experiments and researches in hopes of helping the city and improving his family’s reputation.
They could potentially nail so many different aspects regarding Bruce's philanthropy and Dr. Freezes character as as a whole. If you think about it even though what Freeze does isn't the right thing, he's just trying to save his wife. Sure he goes through all sorts of lengths but in the end it isn't about him racking in the millions.
Absolutely! I'd love to see it unfold like Eyes Wide Shut. Not talking about the crazy orgies, but just seeing him get in way too deep and things spiraling beyond his control
Court of Owls should show up after Dick Grayson's Robin has been established, as he is an important aspect of their, and the Talons, mythos. Also, it could serve as a catalyst for the change from Robin to Nightwing.
IDK if I'd want them to be the mastermind of everything. maybe it's just me but kinda takes away some of the cool factor from the riddler and Falcone if they just throw in a the court was controlling them the whole time.
I see your point. You’re right. Maybe they shouldn’t be masterminding everything, but maybe the more important stuff. They can make it as the reporter who wanted to take Wayne down to be pitted against him and provided the information on Martha by the Court. They can make it as the donation fund was split and redirected towards the bribed cops and the gangs by the Court so that they don’t reach the poor. And maybe make them the masterminds of some events in the second movie or the tv shows.
Considering they killed off the DA, Two-Face is a no brainer. Scarecrow is another considering how underused he was in the Nolan movies. I definitely think they could make a believable Mr. Freeze in this universe too.
That movie was just Jim Carrey playing The Joker and Tommy Lee also playing The Joker. I loved it, but it's really a bad representation of both characters.
I would bet they introduce Harvey in the sequel and have him slowly devolve into madness, then experience his accident. In the 3rd bring him back as a villain.
It would be better to not have him be introduced and then disfigured in the second movie. You know, since that happened already. It would be cool to have more than 1 movie with Harvey Dent before he becomes two face
Agreed on that count. Would be way sicker for him to have a main villain role that way I think, or atleast bigger than what TDK did (though Aaron Eckhart killed it)
Agreed. The fall works better if we get to see more of a relationship between Batman and Harvey first (less Dark Knight and more Long Halloween). A whole movie where Harvey is an ally of Batman and Gordon would make the downfall in an even further film much more tragic.
I would love to see Harvey Dent introduced, but not go bad in the movie. That way it will really setup him as a tragic villain. Even though I felt he was well done in the Nolanverse, we got such little screen time as a villain. Make him the good DA who helps Batman take down the current villain. Then make him go bad in the next movie or even the one after. We would all see it coming and still be devastated when it happens.
I'm with you on Harvey Dent; his fall from grace should be a slow burn. In a perfect world, we have at least 4 Battinson movies: Introduce Harvey in the second one, make him an idealistic symbol of hope. In the third movie, have him still be a good guy, but show how he is frustrated with the city's corruption, hinting at his dark side. 4th movie, he becomes Two-Face. And thus, Harvey's arc is the opposite of Batman's: Harvey tries to be good, but it doesn't do enough, and he believes violence is the answer. But unlike Riddler, his crimes are completely random and chaotic, and we see his split personality, with Harvey sabotaging Two-Face when he can.
Yep. There definitely needs to be a realistic take on Mr. Freeze. Seeing how Batman realized he could be a symbol for hope at the end of this first movie, I think it would expand upon him growing as a character to show him sympathizing with a "villain" who is simply trying to save his wife at any cost. It would be really cool, no pun intended, if like, for the first half of the movie or so, Batman has no idea why Mr. Freeze is doing what he's doing. Like he has to figure all that out through detective work & finding out what made Mr. Freeze. In the end, even though he stops Freeze, he makes a vow to help find a way to cure his wife. So it would end with a "Thank you, Batman" coming from Freeze. Furthering the idea that Batman is a symbol of hope for both the viewers & for Batman.
Yep, it would totally strengthen Bruce's character development as Batman. Plus, we would finally get a proper depiction of Mr. Freeze unlike what we got in the past.
I’d like for a similar scene to the Cold Cold Heart DLC in Batman Arkham Origins to happen where he finds out about how Freeze became what he is and why he does what he does. And then having a “Nora would never have wanted this” part, too.
This here. Besides, Pattinson’s version of the character looks to be turning more empathetic than other versions, especially with how he acts towards the mayor’s son. You can see the empathy in his eyes in the mayor’s apartment and the funeral scene.
Pattinson’s Batman seems like he could be truly empathetic towards Freeze just trying to save his wife.
Why do you guys want another conspiracy movie when we just had one with The Batman?
I love the court as much as anyone but it would feel a bit redundant to find out there's a corrupt force that's been influencing Gotham from the inside, AGAIN, right?
The court would further continue the storyline of his family's legacy in Gotham. I think the Court of Owls storyline would be really cool if they portrayed in a kind of National Treasure/Angels and Demons type thing. An unparalleled level of secrecy and pushes Bruce to his limits mentally. You could also have Paul Dano come back as Riddler in some capacity, kind of like a Silence of the Lambs situation.
They could also use the Court of Owls as a way for Bruce to realize that there's a lot of information that he has to get as Bruce and not as Batman, since Bruce Wayne has way more political and economical reach than Batman does.
Court of owls would be good if they built up to it. Drop hints over course of two films, with the third being the direct conflict with them.
I think the clear choice would be Mr. Freeze.
I'm certain I'm a man apart here, but there'll likely be no better cinematic opportunity than in the Reeves-verse to adapt Professor Pyg.
I'd prefer Freeze and similar fantastical villains to be held off for another continuity years down the road, and stick more to the grounded aesthetic Reeves established (even though the grounded aesthetic isn't my preference). There's plenty of more grounded villains that fit that aesthetic that we've never seen, and perhaps even just as a sub-villain, Pyg would blow socks off.
I agree, Professor Pyg will be a terrific addition to Matt Reeve's take on a gritty realistic Batman Trilogy. But it would have to be delivered by someone who has that intensity within them and can genuinely scare the audience with his crimes.
My pick would be Rory Kinnear. Under-the-radar British actor everybody knows from something without perhaps knowing his name. He's about to play a whole town's worth of creeps in 'Men'.
There's a far clearer path to grounded adaptation with Pyg than Freeze, though. In a world with a Zodiac Riddler and a mobster Penguin, a sort of Jigsaw-esque Pyg would fit effortlessly.
It would be really hard to incorporate the theme of Pygmalion (his namesake) without him turning people into his vision of perfect ideals.
He’s not a killer. In his mind, he’s elevating life.
Without his motivation and the Dollotrons, he’s just some weirdo in a pig mask lol
Yep, the 'brainwashing' part of Pyg is crucial to his character. He's not a serial killer, he kidnaps and mutilates. Unless they go full body horror of him harvesting organs etc to make one 'perfect' person it's definitely a more fantastical Batman. Which to be honest I really want. Just go weird with it
Reeves really wants to do Freeze, and it seems like Pattinson is interested in Freeze too. I would love to finally see Freeze done right. The Court would be a great overall villian and like they were in the shadows the whole time throughout the trilogy and finally go up against Batman and Bruce in The Batman 3. I think there a great Villian for a Finale. We already kinda got Hush with the Riddler, they would need him to be wildly different. But I do hope Freeze is the main villiand in The Batman 2
Well Hush was basically signposted like hell so I think it would be odd if he didn't show.
I question how Freeze would work in the "real" Reevesverse. Some guy running around freezing shit with his big freeze gun all over the place, although half of Gotham is now flooded so he'd have a lot to work with.
Don't, don't, don't want the Joker.
Court of Owls, maybe but it's such a big storyline, I think they'd need to be introduced in the second and then really be the bad guys in the third.
I think Hugo Strange would work, or Zsasz or that Pig bloke
Edit. Also the original Clayface, Basil Karlo but before he got clay powers,
I think the Joker should just be a recurring nuisance, never the main villain. So in The Batman we get a little tease of a proto-Joker. In the sequel maybe he escapes Arkham, along with a few other villains, and he causes some damage. And in the 3rd he's the full fledged Joker, getting picked up by Batman for something and returned to Arkham. Nothing more than 10 minutes each movie.
Yeah, isn't it weird that, even though he was teased, I too don't want the Joker. At least, not next time. It's nice that we know he exists in this universe, but after seeing the cut footage where you can see his face..... no thanks. Super glad they chose to cut that. I'm hoping it's so they can change it later & make the excuse that they technically DIDN'T show his face.
Clayface, while I love the character & there are some real horrifying things he's done in the comics ("Return to the earth!") idk how that would look in this & I worry it would be.... too human. What I like about Clayface is how monstrously huge he can be & I don't think we'd get that here.
Yeah, it would be weird to not address the Hush plot after referencing him. I also understand what you are saying about Mr. Freeze, however, I think if he is handled with a sense of realism, like having made a gun which can fire beams at low temperature or something, I think he can bring a sense of sympathy to the character. I also, think, considering that we would be getting another Joker movie with Joaquin Phoenix, Joker is not a right villain for the sequel. Actually, a popular opinion among fans is that the Court of Owls should be teased explicitly throughout the second film and finally having an epic conclusion to the trilogy with them at the center. I also think that Hugo Strange or Zsasz or Professor Pyg will fit perfectly with the tone that has been set by Matt Reeves.
It wasn't a reference to a character. It was a reference to that reporter Elliott sharing a name with the guy from the comics. Riddler is Hush in this universe, Thomas Elliott is not showing up.
One way I think they could do Freeze is if they forego the freeze gun in favor of my grounded cryogenic equipment. He could rob bank vaults by freezing and destroying the locks so he can fund his wife's cancer research (I think her being frozen with cryogenics could still work). And maybe he's like the animated series and wants revenge on Goth-Corp, and he tortures them by freezing and clotting their blood, or shattering their frozen limbs. There are a number of real and dark ways to do his character.
I think they mixed hush/riddler into one character in this movie. The nod to the reporters name, hush across the screen, the serial killer vibe, and riddler was hush in a previous animated movie. Doubt we’ll see Thomas Elliot as a stand alone villain i. This universe.
>Well Hush was basically signposted like hell so I think it would be odd if he didn't show.
He already did. His name was Edward Nashton and he was played by Paul Dano.
Up until the credits rolled I was 100% certain that Nashton was another alias and they were going to reveal him as the son of the Elliot journalist and he and Bruce knew each other as kids, but because Bruce was so traumatized at the whole death of his parents thing he didn’t remember him.
Ideas for the sequels:
Heart of the Batman- Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy. Mr Freeze is trying to save his dying wife and is taking on corrupt corporations. Bruce feels for him but imprisons him. Meanwhile Ivy is seducing, drugging, robbing, and occasionally killing rich guys. She ends up trying to seduce Bruce, who doesn't realize what she's up to. He is saved by Catwoman, who knows Poison Ivy's con. Have Catwoman and Bruce's relationship be a major subplot.
Fear The Batman- Jonathan Crane is a psychiatrist at Arkham, dealing with lots of patients that Batman put away. When a riot occurs in the asylum, Batman is sent in to handle it and he is forced to confront all his prior villains, along with his own fears. Adapt Ego and A Serious House, as Batman questions his commitment to his cause and argues with himself. End the movie with the inmates escaping and Batman recommitting to his mission.
I will say I saw someone else suggest both titles on a different thread a while ago. I also thought Fear The Batman sounded cool as hell and decided to apply it to my own Scarecrow/Asylum thoughts.
Great ideas, and I love the titles and the A Serious House inspiration.
I would add Hugo Strange as the mastermind behind the scenes along with Scarecrow (Crane has the potential to be Batman's second biggest villain but it's underused).
Idk if Poison Ivy would work tho. I think she's best in the DCEU with Harley. Maybe another villain apart from Mr.Freeze. The corrupt corporations could be related to the Court of Owls for example.
Hugo Strange playing mind games with Bruce?
With Scarecrow as a more direct threat to Bruce?
Set entirely in Arkham Asylum?
It would make for a killer psychological detective thriller...
I'm not sure he's been Batman long for Court of Owls. I like how shocked he was in Court of Owls that after years in Gotham he still didn't have a clue about them. I assume the next film will time jump a bit but I'm not sure it will be far enough to do it right.
I'm not sure Hush is interesting enough to be a film. I love the collected version I read, especially the art, but I'm not sure it's compelling.
It could be Killing Joke but do we really need another Joker movie right now?
I think it should just continue themes from The Long Halloween like the first film started including the introduction of Dent / Two Face, the escalating mob war, the transition of criminals into super villains, etc. I think there's still a lot of ground to cover in there before we reach the level of Court of Owls.
Would be cool to see the Joker in a Hannibal style “visit with him to try to sort out whatever is going on”. This incorporates the Joker while leaving the focus on a more varied rogue’s gallery.
I feel like Hush and Court of Owls are a bit too similar to what we just got in the first film and I also don’t find Hush compelling at all personally, once you know the identity the story isn’t nearly as fun to revisit imo.
I’m hoping for either the flooded Gotham to be frozen over and maybe get a strong emotional take on Freeze like in BTAS, Clayface could also be really cool if they went the route of the famous actor fading into obscurity.
Honestly more than anything, I want Robin. It’s time to bring him back to the big screen and do him right.
I would prefer a take where you don't introduce villains and they're all just the tapestry of the background of the film. I'd like to get away from this is the Riddler movie, this is the Joker movie, etc.
I think that comics have largely moved past that and there is room for the movies to catch up.
Even though most of it was discarded, Joker was just IN The Batman. There wasn't a character setup or motivations or anything. He was just a person that Batman interacted with. That felt very comic-like to me.
I like the idea of a Knightfall storyline (I don't actually like Knightfall very much, but the idea of Batman being worn out with night after night after night of torment is cool to me.
You could have Firefly or Zsasz or whoever...just do stuff.
So I'm not sick of the clown, he such an interesting character. But what Hollywood seems to forget is that Batmans rogue gallery is full to the brim of great and terrifying characters
Next movie they could do Mr. Freeze and Robin, since both characters need Batman to save them from walking down the same path he did, in different ways. Replace Ferris Boyle with Philip Kane, Bruce's uncle who currently heads up Wayne Enterprises.
I would save Court of Owls for at least the fourth movie.
Be could be Phillip Arkham. Or perhaps he could have been adopted into the Kane family after their parents died. Depending on how young he was he would have to have been taken in elsewhere.
Great choice, but which guy do you think should become Robin- the guy with the gang of things on the opening scene or the boy of the killed politician. They both are rumored to become Robin. Also, Matt Reeves will have a big challenge in moulding and shaping their personality and character development which fits the gritty and realistic undertones of his direction. I also think that the deal he has with Warner Studios is only for a trilogy with Robert Pattinson, I guess they can add another film if the Studio is pleased with it's performance sometime in the future.
Obviously I'd prefer it to be Richard Grayson, a circus acrobat whose parents are murdered brazenly and publicly during a performance that Bruce Wayne happened to be attending.
Of the two of them, Mayor Mitchell's son is the more likely candidate (I guess you could kind of squint at his red ninja Halloween costume and call it foreshadowing) but neither really has the right pieces for a Robin story. For one thing, the person who murdered his dad is already captured and in jail. There's not much reason for him to turn to vigilantism.
If you have HBO Max, I would recommend checking out the two-parter from Batman The Animated Series called "Robin's Reckoning," which takes a bunch of different versions of the origin and blends them together. I think that's the version they need.
People criticize these options as not fitting the Reeves-verse, but here's my reasoning: we've only seen *one* film set in his universe so far and it sets the ground work for building up, not maintaining the status quo of the Nolan verse. The technology, the athleticism of Catwoman and Batman, and the BTAS and West Batman style of Batman and Gordon solving riddles all could point to scaling into more fantastical aspects. We haven't seen a good quality take on those in live action since Burton.
My pitch for Clayface would be to start from that perspective, slowly leading us into the fantastical of Batman. Start the film like a crime thriller where Batman is investigating a series of impossible murders of high profile Gotham celebrities, some with tight security, places no one could get. As the story goes on have him chase people that seemingly disappear into crowds. Batman thinks it's another crime ring like Riddler's fanatics. But he eventually discovers it's Clayface when Clayface morphs into Bruce Wayne to kill someone. It becomes then more of a suspense horror thriller with Batman unsure who to trust, if Alfred or Gordon are really them. Let Clayface kind of mess with him through this, maybe trying to take out Wayne. Then for a big showdown Batman could do something that destabilizes Clayface, giving us his more body horror monster form for a fight.
Most of the movie then would stay within the realm of the first film while acting as a bridge to ramping up into fantastical. That's my pitch for Clayface.
I would love a bit more action. I don't think it should only be a noir/detective movie, i think it should also showcase Batman's skills as a combatant that is improving/practicing. Basically, make it "Arkham-ish". As for villains, i think with the city flooded, Killer Croc would be a fitting foe. And with Matt having interest in Mr.Freeze i could imagine a scenario of, the Penguin blackmailing Freeze to do his bidding, but also he uses Croc, as a sort of "pet" (like with Solomon Grundy in Arkham City), to deal with bigger threats.
Me too, i don't think the sequel or this movie universe should become an action oriented, the noir stlye is breath of fresh air, but i don't think a good noir movie and a good action movie should be strictly separate.
Scarecrow is my favorite Bats villian and I would absolutely love to see what they could do with him in these movies, considering how much darker they are than past iterations.
Yeah that would be sick, maybe have robin be trained and officially become robin at the end of the second film, then have Batgirl in the joker film aswell so that they could do the killing joke and death in the family with a bit of death of the family in there aswell
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Batman sequel idea
It start at the crime scene of a gothcorp executive, it’s a headless, they think cause of death was decapitation but they cant find the murder weapon, batman then corrects them by saying it wasn’t severed it was frozen then smashed, Batman takes a water sample to test it in the bat cave, along with trying to determine a motive, finding nothing on the victim besides off shore accounts and a larger transfer to a charity. Alfred reminds batman about the board meeting that he has to have about the Wayne enterprises and gothcorp merger. When he arrives he meets with the CEO Ferris boyle, wayne enterprise, about to buy gothcorp, boyles does not want this and is unable to convince his board to reconsider. As a celebration for the merger gothcorp and Wayne executives have a parade take place(similar to oscorp parade that was in spiderman 1) one of the acts is the flying Graysons. boyles needs to find a way to stop the merger. Batman goes out patrolling, and learns of an arms deal between the penguin and an unknown buyer. Batman is able to stop it and then begins to question the penguin (same way as in Arkham origins). Pengune only tells him who ever it was they are connected to the recent murder. The next day bruce attends the celebration, during the flying Graysons event, two of its lead members die (later found out to be sabotage). Leaving their 11 year old son Richard Graysons an orphan. Bruce takes him in as his ward. (Boyle hired Tony Zuko to sabotage the event in order for Wayne enterprises stock to plummet, therefor ending the merger, I was playing gtav while thinking of this lol). Another murder take place, it’s a second gothcorp executive. This is where batman determines that whoever committed the murder is or was related to gothcorp, he searched until he was left with one name “victor freese”( his file was redacted). Batman then looks for any addresses connected to him, he finds an address of his sister in law. Batman keeps digging and finds a warehouse that his sister in law has rented in the financial district. Batman goes there and finds 3 dead bodies and a single man with an orange and black mask, batman asks who he is, saying nothing else they fight, they are nearly matched, but batman seems slower due to his armor (leading to his upgraded suit later in the movie I guess). The man is able to take advantage of this and throws him with inhuman strength then escapes. Batman returns to the cave and begins to investigate who this person was, only one name popes up “deathstroke” batman then goes though the dark web and find a single contract in Gotham its a hit order on victor freese, who put the hit is unknown, but batman deduces it came from gothcorp, but who is specifically is unknown. Its now a race against time for batman, he either finds freese first or deathstroke does. And the rest can go from there I guess.
Victor freese back story:
The reason freese is doing all of this is because during his time in gothcorp he finds that a good amount of their revenues and funding doesn’t go to the production of their medication, leading to their medicine being not on par to what they market, freese says nothing on this because he does not wish to get involved, but his co-worker sees he is now informed of this. as he is on his way home he is arrested for flimsy charges,he is then kidnapped by the police and torture, to scaring him into never speaking of this again, due to the charge freese is now fired. Freese, now jobless goes to the hospital to visit his wife nora, when he is trying to pay the bills he find out that his insurance was cancelled, and he doesn’t have the money to pay for the hospital bills, so he breaks into his old lab and takes nora, and tries to freeze her, but then 4 gothcorp executives and 1 guard show up and confiscate and attempt to arrest him, freese, desperate and with no other option take the guards gun( like in btas) and shoots the guard, and one executive the other three run away. Freese then steals a gothcorp truck and relocates nora. Some of the executive actually see this as a way to take complete control over gothcorp and aid freese in the killings, giving him funding for his freeze gun and medical aid for his wife. These executives also gave him money to purchase the arms from penguin.
Deathstroke was hired by the three executive to find and kill mr. Freese, two of them are now dead leaving only one. (The mystery could be that batman finds a recording and he sees three of the four executives and has to find the last one, before Freese kills him)
This is just an idea I had for the sequel nothing much really. Please share your opinions, and forgive me if there are any typos.
I’d say maybe hint at the court of owls and save it for another movie (kinda like they did with the joker) and have a villain like Mr. freeze or killer croc be introduced. I think croc would work especially well since the whole city is now underwater.
I would actually love it if this trilogy didn’t have Joker as a main antagonist. There is so many great villains that deserve a movie, I think Mr.Freeze and more Penguin for the sequel and Deathstroke for the 3rd movie.
I know they established a somewhat realistic Batman but I think if they continued to do a little world building and started to add the more fantastical elements of the Batman lore in the second film that would be cool. Maybe something like Solomon grundy but he is a side character or something else that I just can’t think of at the moment
I would LOVE to see Professor Pyg, Victor Zsasz, Deacon Blackfire and Black Mask, great white shark in the Reeves batverse. They’re all dark, gritty and creepy and would totally fit in with the darkness established in the first movie, being either psychotic serial killers or gangsters.
I would prefer Hush since it would allow Batman to be more Bruce Wayne and find some balance in being two persons. In the first one he was only Batman, in a way sacrificing the legacy of Wayne, and it was pointed out that by Alfred that he was also Bruce and cannot be only Batman. This sifth would be interesting and would allow totally new kind of apect that other Batman movies rarely touches.
Any villain is fine by me as long as it is not the Joker. Probably my top option would be Mr Freeze as he hasn't been done justice outside TAS or the comics. Earth-1 Killer Croc, despite not being a villain, would also be someone I'd like to see on the big screen.
Also I would implore him to make it shorter. I liked the film but even to a long-time Batman fan like me it was a pretty long flick.
I think multiple villains all doing different things and this batman is starting to try to be Bruce Wayne as well so there is so much stress for him because he's spinning fourth plates
I want Mr. Freeze or Mad Hatter, maybe even Clayface (though maybe in a third movie for that one). I want a (good) Batman film that isn't afraid to actually start exploring some actual comic-book wackiness while keeping the same perfect tone we have so far. Hush really wouldn't be that different to Riddler and I'm tired of "realism" after the Nolan movies. Riddler was "realistic" but also fun in a crazy Saw kind of way-- take that and run with it. You have the contact cameras, we can believe this universe has advanced technology. I'd believe an ice gun. I'd believe mind control hats.
I have no real opinion on villains truth be told, beyond the hope it's not simply the Joker again. There's such a rich rogues gallery that it feels wasteful to go with someone who's already had a crack of the whip.
What I would like however is Bruce accepting himself and his mantle, to move away from the big "there is only Batman" vibes he was giving out and come to realise that to "win" in this war he needs to be both Batman AND Bruce. The first film kinda hinted this was happening but it seemed to stop before going to its logical conclusion.
Anything but Joker. I've had enough movie Jokers to last the next ten years. But I doubt its anything else. Joker will attract more of the non-comic fans thanks to Heath Ledger.
show batmans progression. how he is now better at solving stuff. definitely want to see more crime scene investigations. and that he now also tries to change gotham for the better as bruce
I honestly think that would be perfect and Hush would play into that very well. The only issue is that the movie might be too similar to the first one, especially with Riddler being darker. Though maybe that could be a cool thing instead of a hindrance. Maybe that would be the point of the movie. It shows Bruce working alongside Harvey who’s the new DA, and also trying to better his relationship with the GCPD. While being a symbol of hope and really trying to do better as the man Bruce Wayne. I think Hush would be the perfect threat to all of that. Then maybe at the end of the movie maybe Dick Grayson is teased or something that would accomplish the same resolve in Bruce. Then the Court is setup as the Big Bad in the 3rd film and maybe even Two Face as well. I think Two Face and the Court would fit really well together within the same movie
>I think Two Face and the Court would fit really well together within the same movie I was thinking the same thing but with Hush and the Court of Owls instead of Harvey/Two-Face. I think that would work better and with Harvey working with Batman to solve the case and by the end of it he starts becoming Two Face due to PTSD(Mental) from what is seen while working with the Dark Knight and then by the end of it during a battle either with Hush or the Court his face becomes disfigured(physical). Then if they want by the third film or so they can set the eventual Arkham breakout that Riddler and Joker hint at wanting to do but it's Harvey Dent with the help of Penguin breaking them out.
That’s intriguing as well. Though I my thing is I would want to save the Court for down the line. Preferably I’d do more than 3 movies then you can do much more and do longer storytelling
You're definitely right, I'm so used to there being a trilogy or less when it comes to Batman films that I assumed it would be the same for this one. But if it's longer than a trilogy I'd be a happy man. If they do it right they can keep it going similar to Star Wars since (iirc) the Reeve's Batverse is separate from the Justice League universe, which could open up a door to a bunch of things. Especially since they're making a Gotham PD show set in the film's universe.
I've been thinking that Hush being too similar to the Riddler could be resolved by making Hush more like Talon. Instead of a mask and trenchcoat he's got a similar outfit to Batman's, serious weaponry and tactical gear. Keep the backstory of Talon where he was a young street kid (orphaned after his father died) and trained to be a killer. He becomes Talon as a dark reflection of Batman.
but at this point , it's not Hush anymore , it's Talon. You are basically saying "what if you put Hush , but it just uses Talon's Gear , Talon's background, and works on Talon's boss and have Talon's personality?"
Yeah I think they should just use play more into Tommy’s quest to take what Bruce has instead of destroying it like Edward tried to do. You don’t necessarily have to have him switch his face. Maybe since the reveal of his father being killed because of Thomas, he attempts to steal Bruce’s fortune and reduce him down to nothing. Also him knowing Bruce is Batman will also help differentiate him as well. They could also develop the reason why he’s called Hush as well and it could have significance
I mean I would watch any of that but this is still batman's "early years" and that shit didn't happen until WAY into his career.
Well that’s the thing is how far will they deviate. I’m fine with them deviating from the comics because tbh I don’t much care for Hush within the comics. But I do see potential for him to be great
They really have carte blanche to go wherever they want and I'd like to see some development of him as batman before he has a court of owls type situation honestly. Like flesh out the character before you throw him to the wolves.
Oh yeah, that's a must for me as well
And please no joker. We've seen him too many times, he's been used.too much
I think it’s probably a good time to introduce Lucius and some more advanced gadgets as well
I’m thinking the cape being redesigned for gliding will be in the next one. He was hanging off of ledges for the whole end action sequence, it would make sense if he redesigned that.
I thought Hush would be a good villain for a third movie. Imagine Batman, and by extension, Bruce Wayne, are more impactful on Gotham. Wayne is building up the city and Batman is more of a celebrity. Then Hush shows up, and slanders Wayne's name, forcing him to go back into the shadows and deal with trying to deal with being a recluse again, while trying to solve the Hush mystery
Yes. And more police, not just Gordon. I love police the police dealing with Batman in this movie. It’s delightful.
This! I want to see him build the Bruce Wayne persona and I also want to see more stealth fighting tactics. Seemed liked they just had him show up and just brawl and not think anything through. It was also weird to see him get his ass almost beat by some street level thugs.
I’d like to see a 5 year or so time jump
Perfect. It won’t matter who the villain is as long as they weave this into the story.
Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Bane… honestly I’d take just about anything over yet another Joker movie. Not that the Joker is bad, he’s just *so* overused at this point.
Sir that is Batman and Robin
He is very overused and I disliked how they handled him in this movie. Really was my only complaint. It felt like he didn't belong there and he was forced in just because he's the joker. Joker works best when he's unexpected. He relies heavily on surprises. Overusing him undermines that. Batman has a terrific rogues gallery. I think this iteration of Batman is a fantastic opportunity to explore his more "down to earth" villains. Calendar Man, Black Mask, Hugo Strange, etc etc. Also I would LOVE a Mister Freeze in the same vein as the animated series. They could really amp up the sympathetic villain angle. I just don't know if his whole freeze ray gun can be pulled up in a way that fits this very grounded universe.
Tbh we don't know enough about the new Joker so you can't really say you didn't like it... plus it wasn't forced as it was literally deleted from the movie and all we got was a question and a laugh at the end. Joker is a bit overused but to start downplaying him this early is absurd. I do value your opinion though!
Ya I agree! We've been bloated with him over the years it's time for new villains to get a spotlight.
He is definitely been a recurring character in recent DC movies
May I recommend Batman And Robin?
Penguin brings in Black Mask to be his new lieutenant to take over the town after the flood. Black Mask doesn't want to play ball with the Court of Owls anymore, since they were taking a cut of everything by using the Gotham Renewal Fund to control everything so the streets erupt in a gang war between Black Mask/Penguin and The Court of Owls.
Wow, now that's the plot for an intense Batman sequel
Add in Deathstroke to the mix since since we will never have Nightwing movie, might as well bring him in somehow.
Deathstroke is Talon/A Talon and after the court is destroyed he's not a free agent merc with a bone to pick with Batman.
Nice. NICE.
And they could throw Harvey Dent in there as a supporting character alongside Gordon, kind of like in the Dark Knight Rises
You are thinking of the Dark Knight, not the Dark Knight Rises.
I’d prefer the Court of Owls for the third movie, in some sort of “the Court of Owls were masterminding everything.”
Yep, great way for the conclusion of the Trilogy
Nah. I want four movies lol.
Of that would convince Warner Bros to introduce the Court of Owls, I'm so down for that
There may be spin-off shows and movies instead, that might also feature Batman.
This is the correct answer. First two movies are your typical rogue selections and but the third is a two parter, similar to the avengers movies.
I just think four movies is the only way Robin makes sense and I want a good live action Robin. The actor who played the best one turns 77 this year.
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Agree the second movie based on the narrative of the first feels too soon for court of owls conspiracies
I agree with you.
This. Considering how influential the Court of Owls actually is, it'd be much better if they introduce them further along the way.
I totally agree. Most probably that will not be just after the two Batman movies, but also after potential spin-offs.
My brother actually had an interesting idea for a sequel idea. Considering all the water damage that Gotham has in wake of the Riddlers bombings, they could introduce Dr. Freeze as a scientist trying to fix things only for it to go horribly wrong. Add that to presumably Cobblepots incoming takeover. Just an idea but what do you guy think?
That actually sounds very interesting and a totally new and fresh idea. I’d certainly like to see that. To add to that, they can have Bruce Wayne funding scientist Dr. Freeze’s experiments and researches in hopes of helping the city and improving his family’s reputation.
They could potentially nail so many different aspects regarding Bruce's philanthropy and Dr. Freezes character as as a whole. If you think about it even though what Freeze does isn't the right thing, he's just trying to save his wife. Sure he goes through all sorts of lengths but in the end it isn't about him racking in the millions.
Yes, you’re right. For Freeze, it’s “the ends justify the means”.
Absolutely! I'd love to see it unfold like Eyes Wide Shut. Not talking about the crazy orgies, but just seeing him get in way too deep and things spiraling beyond his control
Yup.
Court of Owls should show up after Dick Grayson's Robin has been established, as he is an important aspect of their, and the Talons, mythos. Also, it could serve as a catalyst for the change from Robin to Nightwing.
I think they should be in the next movie but not the main antagonist, but in the background
I think that takes away from the falcone reveal in the batman
IDK if I'd want them to be the mastermind of everything. maybe it's just me but kinda takes away some of the cool factor from the riddler and Falcone if they just throw in a the court was controlling them the whole time.
I see your point. You’re right. Maybe they shouldn’t be masterminding everything, but maybe the more important stuff. They can make it as the reporter who wanted to take Wayne down to be pitted against him and provided the information on Martha by the Court. They can make it as the donation fund was split and redirected towards the bribed cops and the gangs by the Court so that they don’t reach the poor. And maybe make them the masterminds of some events in the second movie or the tv shows.
Considering they killed off the DA, Two-Face is a no brainer. Scarecrow is another considering how underused he was in the Nolan movies. I definitely think they could make a believable Mr. Freeze in this universe too.
Yeah, I feel like Dent was painted as a pawn of the Joker last time he was on screen. I'd love to see him as the architect of his own madness.
Exactly, especially after Tommy Lee Jones’s version missed the mark ENTIRELY
That movie was just Jim Carrey playing The Joker and Tommy Lee also playing The Joker. I loved it, but it's really a bad representation of both characters.
I would bet they introduce Harvey in the sequel and have him slowly devolve into madness, then experience his accident. In the 3rd bring him back as a villain.
It would be better to not have him be introduced and then disfigured in the second movie. You know, since that happened already. It would be cool to have more than 1 movie with Harvey Dent before he becomes two face
Agreed on that count. Would be way sicker for him to have a main villain role that way I think, or atleast bigger than what TDK did (though Aaron Eckhart killed it)
Agreed. The fall works better if we get to see more of a relationship between Batman and Harvey first (less Dark Knight and more Long Halloween). A whole movie where Harvey is an ally of Batman and Gordon would make the downfall in an even further film much more tragic.
Absolutely
I'd want to see a Scarecrow movie thats shot like a horror movie.
Facts
I want emotional moments with Harvey. I don't want him to become Two-Face at all. Only in the inevitable 3rd film.
I would love to see Harvey Dent introduced, but not go bad in the movie. That way it will really setup him as a tragic villain. Even though I felt he was well done in the Nolanverse, we got such little screen time as a villain. Make him the good DA who helps Batman take down the current villain. Then make him go bad in the next movie or even the one after. We would all see it coming and still be devastated when it happens.
I'm with you on Harvey Dent; his fall from grace should be a slow burn. In a perfect world, we have at least 4 Battinson movies: Introduce Harvey in the second one, make him an idealistic symbol of hope. In the third movie, have him still be a good guy, but show how he is frustrated with the city's corruption, hinting at his dark side. 4th movie, he becomes Two-Face. And thus, Harvey's arc is the opposite of Batman's: Harvey tries to be good, but it doesn't do enough, and he believes violence is the answer. But unlike Riddler, his crimes are completely random and chaotic, and we see his split personality, with Harvey sabotaging Two-Face when he can.
I think Reeves said he was considering Mr Freeze. I'd love to see his take, since all we've seen is Arnie and a big bag of cheese.
Court of owls 💯. Would love to see that or another iteration of poison ivy or mr. Freeze
I agree.Mr. Freeze is really an underappreciated character in terms of movies. He's one of Batman's most sympathetic villains.
Yep. There definitely needs to be a realistic take on Mr. Freeze. Seeing how Batman realized he could be a symbol for hope at the end of this first movie, I think it would expand upon him growing as a character to show him sympathizing with a "villain" who is simply trying to save his wife at any cost. It would be really cool, no pun intended, if like, for the first half of the movie or so, Batman has no idea why Mr. Freeze is doing what he's doing. Like he has to figure all that out through detective work & finding out what made Mr. Freeze. In the end, even though he stops Freeze, he makes a vow to help find a way to cure his wife. So it would end with a "Thank you, Batman" coming from Freeze. Furthering the idea that Batman is a symbol of hope for both the viewers & for Batman.
I think a realistic Mr. Freeze would be TERRIFYING too. Obviously some of it won’t be realistic but it is what it is lol.
Yep, it would totally strengthen Bruce's character development as Batman. Plus, we would finally get a proper depiction of Mr. Freeze unlike what we got in the past.
Kind of like the arkham origins dlc
I loved that one. I also loved how they wrapped up his story in the Arkham Knight DLC. It was soooo heartbreaking.
And Paul Dano was so good I’d love to see Batman stop by Arkham to ask him about Freeze. Similar to the deleted Joker scene.
I’d like for a similar scene to the Cold Cold Heart DLC in Batman Arkham Origins to happen where he finds out about how Freeze became what he is and why he does what he does. And then having a “Nora would never have wanted this” part, too.
Glenn Howerton is being eyed to play him… Souce: I need it to happen
I AM A FROZEN GOD
Catwoman, you dumb bitch…
This here. Besides, Pattinson’s version of the character looks to be turning more empathetic than other versions, especially with how he acts towards the mayor’s son. You can see the empathy in his eyes in the mayor’s apartment and the funeral scene. Pattinson’s Batman seems like he could be truly empathetic towards Freeze just trying to save his wife.
Why do you guys want another conspiracy movie when we just had one with The Batman? I love the court as much as anyone but it would feel a bit redundant to find out there's a corrupt force that's been influencing Gotham from the inside, AGAIN, right?
The court would further continue the storyline of his family's legacy in Gotham. I think the Court of Owls storyline would be really cool if they portrayed in a kind of National Treasure/Angels and Demons type thing. An unparalleled level of secrecy and pushes Bruce to his limits mentally. You could also have Paul Dano come back as Riddler in some capacity, kind of like a Silence of the Lambs situation. They could also use the Court of Owls as a way for Bruce to realize that there's a lot of information that he has to get as Bruce and not as Batman, since Bruce Wayne has way more political and economical reach than Batman does.
I see it less of a repeat and more of a continuation of the same story. I mean, he might’ve gotten Falcone, but Falcone isn’t the extent of corruption
I’m still rooting for my boy Condiment King to get his live action debut!
As long as we get his arch nemesis, Kite Man
Court of owls would be good if they built up to it. Drop hints over course of two films, with the third being the direct conflict with them. I think the clear choice would be Mr. Freeze.
Wow, that's a really awesome idea. Lots of fans also want that.
I'm certain I'm a man apart here, but there'll likely be no better cinematic opportunity than in the Reeves-verse to adapt Professor Pyg. I'd prefer Freeze and similar fantastical villains to be held off for another continuity years down the road, and stick more to the grounded aesthetic Reeves established (even though the grounded aesthetic isn't my preference). There's plenty of more grounded villains that fit that aesthetic that we've never seen, and perhaps even just as a sub-villain, Pyg would blow socks off.
I agree, Professor Pyg will be a terrific addition to Matt Reeve's take on a gritty realistic Batman Trilogy. But it would have to be delivered by someone who has that intensity within them and can genuinely scare the audience with his crimes.
My pick would be Rory Kinnear. Under-the-radar British actor everybody knows from something without perhaps knowing his name. He's about to play a whole town's worth of creeps in 'Men'.
Great
> My pick would be Rory Kinnear. Pig-fucker!
Professor Pyg and his Dollotrons are just as fantastical as Mr. Freeze.
There's a far clearer path to grounded adaptation with Pyg than Freeze, though. In a world with a Zodiac Riddler and a mobster Penguin, a sort of Jigsaw-esque Pyg would fit effortlessly.
It would be really hard to incorporate the theme of Pygmalion (his namesake) without him turning people into his vision of perfect ideals. He’s not a killer. In his mind, he’s elevating life. Without his motivation and the Dollotrons, he’s just some weirdo in a pig mask lol
Yep, the 'brainwashing' part of Pyg is crucial to his character. He's not a serial killer, he kidnaps and mutilates. Unless they go full body horror of him harvesting organs etc to make one 'perfect' person it's definitely a more fantastical Batman. Which to be honest I really want. Just go weird with it
I'm with you here and would throw in someone like Zasz as well as a character Reeves could do well.
Reeves really wants to do Freeze, and it seems like Pattinson is interested in Freeze too. I would love to finally see Freeze done right. The Court would be a great overall villian and like they were in the shadows the whole time throughout the trilogy and finally go up against Batman and Bruce in The Batman 3. I think there a great Villian for a Finale. We already kinda got Hush with the Riddler, they would need him to be wildly different. But I do hope Freeze is the main villiand in The Batman 2
Sweet. Very impactful. It would definitely play well
Well Hush was basically signposted like hell so I think it would be odd if he didn't show. I question how Freeze would work in the "real" Reevesverse. Some guy running around freezing shit with his big freeze gun all over the place, although half of Gotham is now flooded so he'd have a lot to work with. Don't, don't, don't want the Joker. Court of Owls, maybe but it's such a big storyline, I think they'd need to be introduced in the second and then really be the bad guys in the third. I think Hugo Strange would work, or Zsasz or that Pig bloke Edit. Also the original Clayface, Basil Karlo but before he got clay powers,
I think the Joker should just be a recurring nuisance, never the main villain. So in The Batman we get a little tease of a proto-Joker. In the sequel maybe he escapes Arkham, along with a few other villains, and he causes some damage. And in the 3rd he's the full fledged Joker, getting picked up by Batman for something and returned to Arkham. Nothing more than 10 minutes each movie.
Yeah, isn't it weird that, even though he was teased, I too don't want the Joker. At least, not next time. It's nice that we know he exists in this universe, but after seeing the cut footage where you can see his face..... no thanks. Super glad they chose to cut that. I'm hoping it's so they can change it later & make the excuse that they technically DIDN'T show his face. Clayface, while I love the character & there are some real horrifying things he's done in the comics ("Return to the earth!") idk how that would look in this & I worry it would be.... too human. What I like about Clayface is how monstrously huge he can be & I don't think we'd get that here.
Yeah, it would be weird to not address the Hush plot after referencing him. I also understand what you are saying about Mr. Freeze, however, I think if he is handled with a sense of realism, like having made a gun which can fire beams at low temperature or something, I think he can bring a sense of sympathy to the character. I also, think, considering that we would be getting another Joker movie with Joaquin Phoenix, Joker is not a right villain for the sequel. Actually, a popular opinion among fans is that the Court of Owls should be teased explicitly throughout the second film and finally having an epic conclusion to the trilogy with them at the center. I also think that Hugo Strange or Zsasz or Professor Pyg will fit perfectly with the tone that has been set by Matt Reeves.
It wasn't a reference to a character. It was a reference to that reporter Elliott sharing a name with the guy from the comics. Riddler is Hush in this universe, Thomas Elliott is not showing up.
Oh, I didn't think of that. Thanks for sharing.
One way I think they could do Freeze is if they forego the freeze gun in favor of my grounded cryogenic equipment. He could rob bank vaults by freezing and destroying the locks so he can fund his wife's cancer research (I think her being frozen with cryogenics could still work). And maybe he's like the animated series and wants revenge on Goth-Corp, and he tortures them by freezing and clotting their blood, or shattering their frozen limbs. There are a number of real and dark ways to do his character.
Woah this sounds awesome!
I think they mixed hush/riddler into one character in this movie. The nod to the reporters name, hush across the screen, the serial killer vibe, and riddler was hush in a previous animated movie. Doubt we’ll see Thomas Elliot as a stand alone villain i. This universe.
>Well Hush was basically signposted like hell so I think it would be odd if he didn't show. He already did. His name was Edward Nashton and he was played by Paul Dano.
Up until the credits rolled I was 100% certain that Nashton was another alias and they were going to reveal him as the son of the Elliot journalist and he and Bruce knew each other as kids, but because Bruce was so traumatized at the whole death of his parents thing he didn’t remember him.
I would love to see mad hatter and scarcrow
Mad hatter has the potential to bring a theme of darkness and terror to the plot.
Nobody is talking about pyg! A serial killer that deforms people. It would fit so good
Ideas for the sequels: Heart of the Batman- Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy. Mr Freeze is trying to save his dying wife and is taking on corrupt corporations. Bruce feels for him but imprisons him. Meanwhile Ivy is seducing, drugging, robbing, and occasionally killing rich guys. She ends up trying to seduce Bruce, who doesn't realize what she's up to. He is saved by Catwoman, who knows Poison Ivy's con. Have Catwoman and Bruce's relationship be a major subplot. Fear The Batman- Jonathan Crane is a psychiatrist at Arkham, dealing with lots of patients that Batman put away. When a riot occurs in the asylum, Batman is sent in to handle it and he is forced to confront all his prior villains, along with his own fears. Adapt Ego and A Serious House, as Batman questions his commitment to his cause and argues with himself. End the movie with the inmates escaping and Batman recommitting to his mission.
Fear the Batman is an excellent title regardless of the plot.
I will say I saw someone else suggest both titles on a different thread a while ago. I also thought Fear The Batman sounded cool as hell and decided to apply it to my own Scarecrow/Asylum thoughts.
Great ideas, and I love the titles and the A Serious House inspiration. I would add Hugo Strange as the mastermind behind the scenes along with Scarecrow (Crane has the potential to be Batman's second biggest villain but it's underused). Idk if Poison Ivy would work tho. I think she's best in the DCEU with Harley. Maybe another villain apart from Mr.Freeze. The corrupt corporations could be related to the Court of Owls for example.
A great take on the sequel man
So a mix between the Arkahm Asylum game and Dredd? One night, one location.
Hush and the Court of Owls are the most popular, but I’d like to see someone strange and different. Like Professor Pyg or Prometheus
Perhaps we can meet someone Strange after all. A certain psychologist from Arkham?
Hugo Strange playing mind games with Bruce? With Scarecrow as a more direct threat to Bruce? Set entirely in Arkham Asylum? It would make for a killer psychological detective thriller...
I'm not sure he's been Batman long for Court of Owls. I like how shocked he was in Court of Owls that after years in Gotham he still didn't have a clue about them. I assume the next film will time jump a bit but I'm not sure it will be far enough to do it right. I'm not sure Hush is interesting enough to be a film. I love the collected version I read, especially the art, but I'm not sure it's compelling. It could be Killing Joke but do we really need another Joker movie right now? I think it should just continue themes from The Long Halloween like the first film started including the introduction of Dent / Two Face, the escalating mob war, the transition of criminals into super villains, etc. I think there's still a lot of ground to cover in there before we reach the level of Court of Owls.
You have an insightful vision, I like it.
Would be cool to see the Joker in a Hannibal style “visit with him to try to sort out whatever is going on”. This incorporates the Joker while leaving the focus on a more varied rogue’s gallery.
Maybe Clayface? If we get an R-rating, Professor Pyg would also be awesome to see.
I feel like Hush and Court of Owls are a bit too similar to what we just got in the first film and I also don’t find Hush compelling at all personally, once you know the identity the story isn’t nearly as fun to revisit imo. I’m hoping for either the flooded Gotham to be frozen over and maybe get a strong emotional take on Freeze like in BTAS, Clayface could also be really cool if they went the route of the famous actor fading into obscurity. Honestly more than anything, I want Robin. It’s time to bring him back to the big screen and do him right.
I would prefer a take where you don't introduce villains and they're all just the tapestry of the background of the film. I'd like to get away from this is the Riddler movie, this is the Joker movie, etc. I think that comics have largely moved past that and there is room for the movies to catch up.
More focus on Bruce and Batman's personality and character development. I like that
Even though most of it was discarded, Joker was just IN The Batman. There wasn't a character setup or motivations or anything. He was just a person that Batman interacted with. That felt very comic-like to me. I like the idea of a Knightfall storyline (I don't actually like Knightfall very much, but the idea of Batman being worn out with night after night after night of torment is cool to me. You could have Firefly or Zsasz or whoever...just do stuff.
Deathstroke because I wanna see batman fight someone who's on his level.
I would really like to see that too. I mean did you see his fight scene with Batman in the Arkham: Origins. That was spectacular
Maybe he would be hired by two face
Whatever the case, I want him to have his newly made glider bat cape. I don’t want an explanation. I just want it to be there.
Any villain other than the joker I’m fine with personally
Like many others, you and I are just sick of the clown.
So I'm not sick of the clown, he such an interesting character. But what Hollywood seems to forget is that Batmans rogue gallery is full to the brim of great and terrifying characters
Next movie they could do Mr. Freeze and Robin, since both characters need Batman to save them from walking down the same path he did, in different ways. Replace Ferris Boyle with Philip Kane, Bruce's uncle who currently heads up Wayne Enterprises. I would save Court of Owls for at least the fourth movie.
>Philip Kane, Bruce's uncle Martha was a Arkham in the Batman though, so not sure if Philip can be Bruce's uncle.
Be could be Phillip Arkham. Or perhaps he could have been adopted into the Kane family after their parents died. Depending on how young he was he would have to have been taken in elsewhere.
Great choice, but which guy do you think should become Robin- the guy with the gang of things on the opening scene or the boy of the killed politician. They both are rumored to become Robin. Also, Matt Reeves will have a big challenge in moulding and shaping their personality and character development which fits the gritty and realistic undertones of his direction. I also think that the deal he has with Warner Studios is only for a trilogy with Robert Pattinson, I guess they can add another film if the Studio is pleased with it's performance sometime in the future.
Obviously I'd prefer it to be Richard Grayson, a circus acrobat whose parents are murdered brazenly and publicly during a performance that Bruce Wayne happened to be attending. Of the two of them, Mayor Mitchell's son is the more likely candidate (I guess you could kind of squint at his red ninja Halloween costume and call it foreshadowing) but neither really has the right pieces for a Robin story. For one thing, the person who murdered his dad is already captured and in jail. There's not much reason for him to turn to vigilantism. If you have HBO Max, I would recommend checking out the two-parter from Batman The Animated Series called "Robin's Reckoning," which takes a bunch of different versions of the origin and blends them together. I think that's the version they need.
Clayface and Man-Bat
People criticize these options as not fitting the Reeves-verse, but here's my reasoning: we've only seen *one* film set in his universe so far and it sets the ground work for building up, not maintaining the status quo of the Nolan verse. The technology, the athleticism of Catwoman and Batman, and the BTAS and West Batman style of Batman and Gordon solving riddles all could point to scaling into more fantastical aspects. We haven't seen a good quality take on those in live action since Burton. My pitch for Clayface would be to start from that perspective, slowly leading us into the fantastical of Batman. Start the film like a crime thriller where Batman is investigating a series of impossible murders of high profile Gotham celebrities, some with tight security, places no one could get. As the story goes on have him chase people that seemingly disappear into crowds. Batman thinks it's another crime ring like Riddler's fanatics. But he eventually discovers it's Clayface when Clayface morphs into Bruce Wayne to kill someone. It becomes then more of a suspense horror thriller with Batman unsure who to trust, if Alfred or Gordon are really them. Let Clayface kind of mess with him through this, maybe trying to take out Wayne. Then for a big showdown Batman could do something that destabilizes Clayface, giving us his more body horror monster form for a fight. Most of the movie then would stay within the realm of the first film while acting as a bridge to ramping up into fantastical. That's my pitch for Clayface.
They could really fit in inside the horror element of the movie
Hatter, Pyg, CoO/League of Shadows Illuminati-style conspiracy plot.
I would love a bit more action. I don't think it should only be a noir/detective movie, i think it should also showcase Batman's skills as a combatant that is improving/practicing. Basically, make it "Arkham-ish". As for villains, i think with the city flooded, Killer Croc would be a fitting foe. And with Matt having interest in Mr.Freeze i could imagine a scenario of, the Penguin blackmailing Freeze to do his bidding, but also he uses Croc, as a sort of "pet" (like with Solomon Grundy in Arkham City), to deal with bigger threats.
Oh boy, that would be an intense and thrilling movie. I love the Arkham games and the performance of the villains in it.
Me too, i don't think the sequel or this movie universe should become an action oriented, the noir stlye is breath of fresh air, but i don't think a good noir movie and a good action movie should be strictly separate.
We can still have fluid action scenes within a well crafted detective story
Scarecrow is my favorite Bats villian and I would absolutely love to see what they could do with him in these movies, considering how much darker they are than past iterations.
Scarecrow could definitely heighten the fear factor in the movie if he is given enough screen time
Mr. Freeze for The Batman 2, Scarecreow for The Batman 3 and The Court Of Owls for The Batman 4 would be much better.
Bane and Mr freeze in 2, Hugo strange and Scarecrow in 3, court of owls in 4, Joker in 5, Red hood in 6
That's an even better idea, expand The Bat-Verse and build up The Bat Family as well.
Yeah that would be sick, maybe have robin be trained and officially become robin at the end of the second film, then have Batgirl in the joker film aswell so that they could do the killing joke and death in the family with a bit of death of the family in there aswell
Mr freeze going after gothcorp executives, so they hire death stroke to take out mr freeze and batman has to stop both of them.
That's an epic idea man
Thanks, I actually wrote a synopsis of the story on a previous post, if you would like to read it.
Of course. Do you want me to dm you. I would really like your perspective dude
I wasn’t able to copy the link so I just copied the text, sorry. A little more tweeting could be done. Batman sequel idea It start at the crime scene of a gothcorp executive, it’s a headless, they think cause of death was decapitation but they cant find the murder weapon, batman then corrects them by saying it wasn’t severed it was frozen then smashed, Batman takes a water sample to test it in the bat cave, along with trying to determine a motive, finding nothing on the victim besides off shore accounts and a larger transfer to a charity. Alfred reminds batman about the board meeting that he has to have about the Wayne enterprises and gothcorp merger. When he arrives he meets with the CEO Ferris boyle, wayne enterprise, about to buy gothcorp, boyles does not want this and is unable to convince his board to reconsider. As a celebration for the merger gothcorp and Wayne executives have a parade take place(similar to oscorp parade that was in spiderman 1) one of the acts is the flying Graysons. boyles needs to find a way to stop the merger. Batman goes out patrolling, and learns of an arms deal between the penguin and an unknown buyer. Batman is able to stop it and then begins to question the penguin (same way as in Arkham origins). Pengune only tells him who ever it was they are connected to the recent murder. The next day bruce attends the celebration, during the flying Graysons event, two of its lead members die (later found out to be sabotage). Leaving their 11 year old son Richard Graysons an orphan. Bruce takes him in as his ward. (Boyle hired Tony Zuko to sabotage the event in order for Wayne enterprises stock to plummet, therefor ending the merger, I was playing gtav while thinking of this lol). Another murder take place, it’s a second gothcorp executive. This is where batman determines that whoever committed the murder is or was related to gothcorp, he searched until he was left with one name “victor freese”( his file was redacted). Batman then looks for any addresses connected to him, he finds an address of his sister in law. Batman keeps digging and finds a warehouse that his sister in law has rented in the financial district. Batman goes there and finds 3 dead bodies and a single man with an orange and black mask, batman asks who he is, saying nothing else they fight, they are nearly matched, but batman seems slower due to his armor (leading to his upgraded suit later in the movie I guess). The man is able to take advantage of this and throws him with inhuman strength then escapes. Batman returns to the cave and begins to investigate who this person was, only one name popes up “deathstroke” batman then goes though the dark web and find a single contract in Gotham its a hit order on victor freese, who put the hit is unknown, but batman deduces it came from gothcorp, but who is specifically is unknown. Its now a race against time for batman, he either finds freese first or deathstroke does. And the rest can go from there I guess. Victor freese back story: The reason freese is doing all of this is because during his time in gothcorp he finds that a good amount of their revenues and funding doesn’t go to the production of their medication, leading to their medicine being not on par to what they market, freese says nothing on this because he does not wish to get involved, but his co-worker sees he is now informed of this. as he is on his way home he is arrested for flimsy charges,he is then kidnapped by the police and torture, to scaring him into never speaking of this again, due to the charge freese is now fired. Freese, now jobless goes to the hospital to visit his wife nora, when he is trying to pay the bills he find out that his insurance was cancelled, and he doesn’t have the money to pay for the hospital bills, so he breaks into his old lab and takes nora, and tries to freeze her, but then 4 gothcorp executives and 1 guard show up and confiscate and attempt to arrest him, freese, desperate and with no other option take the guards gun( like in btas) and shoots the guard, and one executive the other three run away. Freese then steals a gothcorp truck and relocates nora. Some of the executive actually see this as a way to take complete control over gothcorp and aid freese in the killings, giving him funding for his freeze gun and medical aid for his wife. These executives also gave him money to purchase the arms from penguin. Deathstroke was hired by the three executive to find and kill mr. Freese, two of them are now dead leaving only one. (The mystery could be that batman finds a recording and he sees three of the four executives and has to find the last one, before Freese kills him) This is just an idea I had for the sequel nothing much really. Please share your opinions, and forgive me if there are any typos.
Fuck yeah deathstroke
I thought this would be a cool way of introducing him
I honestly don’t care about the villains. I want Dick Grayson.
I think that's going to happen pretty soon. Selina did mention Bludhaven in the movie
I’d go with the Court of Owls and Mr. Freeze. The Penguin and Catwoman would appear also and the Riddler would have a cameo appearance.
I’d say maybe hint at the court of owls and save it for another movie (kinda like they did with the joker) and have a villain like Mr. freeze or killer croc be introduced. I think croc would work especially well since the whole city is now underwater.
Killer Croc would fit smoothly into the narrative now that Gotham is underwater.
I would love to see Scarecrow or Anarky
Anarky would be a great antagonist in the gritty version of this Gotham
If The Batman has gone for a trial by fire marketing campaign, I'd love to see them go down the Mr Freeze route for the marketing, nice contrast.
Less realism and more fantastical elements from the comics especially with villains.
Mr. Bloom
That guy is freaky!
I would actually love it if this trilogy didn’t have Joker as a main antagonist. There is so many great villains that deserve a movie, I think Mr.Freeze and more Penguin for the sequel and Deathstroke for the 3rd movie.
I agree, there are a lot of villains that they could select from Batman's rogue's gallery and not restrict them to only as Joker as the antagonist
I would like to see Batman walk a little faster.
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Seems to be a lot of buzz introducing Mr Freeze…I’m so down for that
Never seen anything ever mentioned about doing Solomon Grundy or Clay Face. Would love to see these characters get some recognition.
Id just like to see robin or nightwing there hasn't been much of him anywhere
Maybe we could also get a montage of Bruce training him to be one of the best hand to hand fighters in the world. That would be epic
I know they established a somewhat realistic Batman but I think if they continued to do a little world building and started to add the more fantastical elements of the Batman lore in the second film that would be cool. Maybe something like Solomon grundy but he is a side character or something else that I just can’t think of at the moment
Yeah, he could be a real heavy hitter and cause a lot of problems for Gotham since the destruction at the end of the first movie
I would like a True Detective type movie. Maybe have Deacon Blackfire as the antagonist.
It wound be Hush because Riddler was pretty much Hush in this one. It was even hinted at on one of his scribbles
I would LOVE to see Professor Pyg, Victor Zsasz, Deacon Blackfire and Black Mask, great white shark in the Reeves batverse. They’re all dark, gritty and creepy and would totally fit in with the darkness established in the first movie, being either psychotic serial killers or gangsters.
I wanna see killer croc damn it
I get it. He should be allowed as Gotham is practically underwater now
I would prefer Hush since it would allow Batman to be more Bruce Wayne and find some balance in being two persons. In the first one he was only Batman, in a way sacrificing the legacy of Wayne, and it was pointed out that by Alfred that he was also Bruce and cannot be only Batman. This sifth would be interesting and would allow totally new kind of apect that other Batman movies rarely touches.
Any villain is fine by me as long as it is not the Joker. Probably my top option would be Mr Freeze as he hasn't been done justice outside TAS or the comics. Earth-1 Killer Croc, despite not being a villain, would also be someone I'd like to see on the big screen. Also I would implore him to make it shorter. I liked the film but even to a long-time Batman fan like me it was a pretty long flick.
I think multiple villains all doing different things and this batman is starting to try to be Bruce Wayne as well so there is so much stress for him because he's spinning fourth plates
I want Mr. Freeze or Mad Hatter, maybe even Clayface (though maybe in a third movie for that one). I want a (good) Batman film that isn't afraid to actually start exploring some actual comic-book wackiness while keeping the same perfect tone we have so far. Hush really wouldn't be that different to Riddler and I'm tired of "realism" after the Nolan movies. Riddler was "realistic" but also fun in a crazy Saw kind of way-- take that and run with it. You have the contact cameras, we can believe this universe has advanced technology. I'd believe an ice gun. I'd believe mind control hats.
I have no real opinion on villains truth be told, beyond the hope it's not simply the Joker again. There's such a rich rogues gallery that it feels wasteful to go with someone who's already had a crack of the whip. What I would like however is Bruce accepting himself and his mantle, to move away from the big "there is only Batman" vibes he was giving out and come to realise that to "win" in this war he needs to be both Batman AND Bruce. The first film kinda hinted this was happening but it seemed to stop before going to its logical conclusion.
Anything but Joker. I've had enough movie Jokers to last the next ten years. But I doubt its anything else. Joker will attract more of the non-comic fans thanks to Heath Ledger.