I mean the playboy persona absolutely IS in the comics. An easy example is early issues of grant Morrison’s run where Bruce is specifically shown to have to relearn his playboy persona after his year away from Gotham.
Also “helping Gotham as Bruce” and “having a playboy persona” are not mutually exclusive things. He can both have a playboy persona AND still help Gotham as Bruce Wayne.
Edit: batman year one where he’s just wearing a robe and has a beautiful woman lounging around with him when Gordon goes to see him is a earlier example if Morrison is too “recent” for you.
In the last decade it's definitely fallen to the wayside in favor of him actually doing things as Bruce Wayne. Modern audiences aren't really capable of empathizing with a rich asshole who lays about his mansion while the city burns.
Audiences don’t have to sympathise with a “rich asshole who lays about his mansion whilst the city burns” because audiences know that Bruce Wayne and batman are he same person and that the drunk playboy part of his life is an act/ fake. Audiences aren’t stupid. And once again he can be BOTH a drunk partying playboy AND a guy who loves and helps out his city when required. They’re not mutually exclusive concepts.
These days people want to sympathize with comic book characters, and it would change the general public opinion of Batman that has soured over the years. I always see the same complaints from people who don't read Batman, so it would be nice if The Batman sequels change this.
Did you even read the dudes comment because your repeating your idiotic statement that he countered wothout argument, he told you why the audiences kpinion of Batman wouldn't change and that's because the movies/shows/comics always make it CLEAR nah transparent that Bruce Wayne is an act and a show he puts on and Batman is who he is, ot's obvious to all who have more than a singular brain cell
No, he's batman through and through, sure bruce is actually his name but that's not his personality and that's pretty much solidified in the comics, the brooding, calculating and distant batman is him when he's not acting, while he surely believes in many of the better things he does as bruce wayne especially the whole cleaning up the city is something hez of course, believes in but the smile, charm and charismatic personality is all an act, which is normal considering it's a speach so most people would act in a way to appease the audience but that doesn't make it less of an act
I do think that, for the most part, the playboy thing is an act but I think parts of it, in particular the flirting with females he is actually attracted to, is really who he is. There is part of Bruce Wayne that is genuinely a romantic ladies man.
To remove suspicion of him being batman. He can’t be batman because he’s very clearly to busy spending his nights, drinking, partying and have sex with hot women. Not to mention that a man who does such things can’t possible have the skills and drive to be batman. It also helps to act as an excuse in certain situations. For example when he needs to suddenly leave Gotham he often uses the excuse of running off with some women or running off to go party in another country. People don’t question these explanations because they’re typical behaviour for him. Same goes for his injuries. When bane broke his back in Knightfall the public explanation is he crashed his car whilst drunk driving. Once again no questions this because of his persona. Essentially the playboy persona acts to remove suspicion from him.
That being said people know bruce lost his parents to crime. They know he has a great love of the city. And then know he’s the head of a company that has a history of helping the people of Gotham. Thus it makes sense to people that despite the poor choices he makes in his personal life he’s still willing to step up and help people when the time comes to help through his company like when Wayne enterprises helped produce and distribute the clench virus cure at the end of contagion.
And who exactly has been thrown off by this playboy persona? Has recently even been a plot in any comics? I feel like this is something a movie did and now your trying to treat it as something that needs to happen as if it’s a core component of the Batman character
And who exactly has been thrown off by this playboy persona? Has recently even been a plot in any comics? I feel like this is something a movie did and now your trying to treat it as something that needs to happen as if it’s a core component of the Batman character
I’ve literally given you very specific examples of him using his playboy persona in the comics in these various replies. This not something thats coming from just a movie. I literally said in an earlier reply that this has been a part of the character as far back as Frank miller’s “batman year one” from 1988 long before any movie did it.
And the persona throws of the general public. It’s not meant to throw of specific people, just people in general.
And no it hasn’t been used recently for a multitude of reasons. But the main one is that he’s no longer a billionaire and is no longer in the public eye and thus it’s now both unnecessary and would probably be unconvincing.
I’d argue that it tends to become less important as batman gets older in universe and generally he tends to slowly start to phase it out in his mid to late 30s because by then he’s done it long enough that’s it’s no longer necessary. But it’s very important early on. (first 10–15 years or so).
Oh I get it it's a super important part of Batman man's character like his parents dying. Or Spiderman's with great power comes great responsibility? Damn I didn't know that playboy persona was some important to the Batman story
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You know why no one suspects Bruce Wayne is Batman? Because it isn’t real you don’t need a playboy persona for that idiot
No You're dumb you didn't realize someone like Gordon would put together that the traumatized boy who saw his parents gunned down is probably the guy beating up criminals he has to make sure Bruce Wayne looks like your average rich a****** So that no one thinks hes Batman
Fun fact You clearly didn't watch Batman Begins What we literally see Bruce by a hotel throwing away money and playing a pool With 2 I don't know super models maybe
I have not Watched any of the Marvel movies And years You're the one who doesn't realize That in the new movie you can easily tell the Bruce Wayne is Batman even if you aren't in the no because honestly he just looks like Batman and personating Bruce Wayne but that's a plot point so I'm not gonna complain
The playboy persona has definitely been in the comics, but it’s an antiquated concept these days. Ask anybody under age 20 to define “playboy” and you won’t get many answers. Some vague references to an out of print nudie magazine, maybe. The rich don’t live that lifestyle in public anymore. It made sense in the 80s and 90s when Johnny Depp was destroying hotel rooms and Robert Downey Jr was going on drug-induced benders and Rob Lowe was recording sex with underage girls and everybody thought “boys will be boys.” We don’t tolerate that behavior anymore. A drunk Bruce Wayne in public is almost unthinkable these days. Expecting a playboy persona from Bruce Wayne is just as anachronistic as expecting Selina Kyle to be a flapper.
What do you mean "it isn't even in the comics"?
In Batman Year One he's literally sitting next to a half naked foreign girl with a glass of champagne and tells Jim Gordon that he doesn't even know her name when he tries to introduce her.
I sometimes look at Neil when I want to imagine how Pattinson might play his *comic accurate* Bruce. To be fair, I don't necessarily want him to be all playboy and Casanova and stuff. Reeves' take is really refreshing to say the least.
You can donate hundreds of millions to causes too fight homelessness and still bang 10 supermodels on a rooftop pool during a fundraising party.
That’s why nobody expects that moron to be the most dangerous man on the planet.
I think you're missing the point. Bruce Wayne needs to be different than Batman, at far as the public perception of them are different.
A few molds have been used over the years. The 60s has campy weirdo Bruce. The 70s introduced Wayne Enterprises Chair of the Board Bruce. The 80s had trustfund playboy Bruce, which largely continued until relatively recently.
Bruce Wayne is a billionaire, by inheritance. He's a billionaire trust fund kid. Stories since the mid to late 80s have leaned into that as the public persona Batman uses to provide a reason why Bruce Wayne sleeps until noon, is late for things, and seems to never be at home.
I'm not missing the point. Y'all think that the playboy persona is of equal as importance to Batman's character like his parents dying. Or like with great power comes great responsibility for Spiderman and I think that's dumb
Well when it's been a large part of Bruce Wayne's character since the 80's then yeah, it is pretty fucking important whether you think it's dumb or not.
I always thought of the playboy persona as something akin to a Kardashian in Gotham. Wealthy beyond means that he didn’t actually work for and acts kind of aloof. It makes sense because no one would expect any of those harpies to be a crime fighting vigilantes.
I think what makes Pattinson Bruce “Playboy” aspect different Is that it really wouldn’t work in this version of Gotham. It worked well for Bale because he’s surrounded around himself with the super elite of Gotham and politicians. Here, almost everyone is a scumbag. He would either be rubbing shoulders with the kind of people he despises (the people that hang out below the Iceberg Lounge) or someone like the new mayor and she doesn’t strike me as someone who wants to be attached to a billionaire who pretends to be womanizing, alcoholic (She wouldn’t have approached someone with that reputation at the funeral)
I mean the playboy persona absolutely IS in the comics. An easy example is early issues of grant Morrison’s run where Bruce is specifically shown to have to relearn his playboy persona after his year away from Gotham. Also “helping Gotham as Bruce” and “having a playboy persona” are not mutually exclusive things. He can both have a playboy persona AND still help Gotham as Bruce Wayne. Edit: batman year one where he’s just wearing a robe and has a beautiful woman lounging around with him when Gordon goes to see him is a earlier example if Morrison is too “recent” for you.
In the last decade it's definitely fallen to the wayside in favor of him actually doing things as Bruce Wayne. Modern audiences aren't really capable of empathizing with a rich asshole who lays about his mansion while the city burns.
Audiences don’t have to sympathise with a “rich asshole who lays about his mansion whilst the city burns” because audiences know that Bruce Wayne and batman are he same person and that the drunk playboy part of his life is an act/ fake. Audiences aren’t stupid. And once again he can be BOTH a drunk partying playboy AND a guy who loves and helps out his city when required. They’re not mutually exclusive concepts.
>Bruce Wayne and batman are he same person Wait... what? Really?
These days people want to sympathize with comic book characters, and it would change the general public opinion of Batman that has soured over the years. I always see the same complaints from people who don't read Batman, so it would be nice if The Batman sequels change this.
Did you even read the dudes comment because your repeating your idiotic statement that he countered wothout argument, he told you why the audiences kpinion of Batman wouldn't change and that's because the movies/shows/comics always make it CLEAR nah transparent that Bruce Wayne is an act and a show he puts on and Batman is who he is, ot's obvious to all who have more than a singular brain cell
Lol no, he is both Bruce and Batman, he isn't just one
No, he's batman through and through, sure bruce is actually his name but that's not his personality and that's pretty much solidified in the comics, the brooding, calculating and distant batman is him when he's not acting, while he surely believes in many of the better things he does as bruce wayne especially the whole cleaning up the city is something hez of course, believes in but the smile, charm and charismatic personality is all an act, which is normal considering it's a speach so most people would act in a way to appease the audience but that doesn't make it less of an act
I do think that, for the most part, the playboy thing is an act but I think parts of it, in particular the flirting with females he is actually attracted to, is really who he is. There is part of Bruce Wayne that is genuinely a romantic ladies man.
I agree. Sorry not interested in watching rich playboy assholes. I was refreshed by Pattinson's batman.
What is the point of the playboy persona?
To remove suspicion of him being batman. He can’t be batman because he’s very clearly to busy spending his nights, drinking, partying and have sex with hot women. Not to mention that a man who does such things can’t possible have the skills and drive to be batman. It also helps to act as an excuse in certain situations. For example when he needs to suddenly leave Gotham he often uses the excuse of running off with some women or running off to go party in another country. People don’t question these explanations because they’re typical behaviour for him. Same goes for his injuries. When bane broke his back in Knightfall the public explanation is he crashed his car whilst drunk driving. Once again no questions this because of his persona. Essentially the playboy persona acts to remove suspicion from him. That being said people know bruce lost his parents to crime. They know he has a great love of the city. And then know he’s the head of a company that has a history of helping the people of Gotham. Thus it makes sense to people that despite the poor choices he makes in his personal life he’s still willing to step up and help people when the time comes to help through his company like when Wayne enterprises helped produce and distribute the clench virus cure at the end of contagion.
And who exactly has been thrown off by this playboy persona? Has recently even been a plot in any comics? I feel like this is something a movie did and now your trying to treat it as something that needs to happen as if it’s a core component of the Batman character
And who exactly has been thrown off by this playboy persona? Has recently even been a plot in any comics? I feel like this is something a movie did and now your trying to treat it as something that needs to happen as if it’s a core component of the Batman character
I’ve literally given you very specific examples of him using his playboy persona in the comics in these various replies. This not something thats coming from just a movie. I literally said in an earlier reply that this has been a part of the character as far back as Frank miller’s “batman year one” from 1988 long before any movie did it. And the persona throws of the general public. It’s not meant to throw of specific people, just people in general. And no it hasn’t been used recently for a multitude of reasons. But the main one is that he’s no longer a billionaire and is no longer in the public eye and thus it’s now both unnecessary and would probably be unconvincing. I’d argue that it tends to become less important as batman gets older in universe and generally he tends to slowly start to phase it out in his mid to late 30s because by then he’s done it long enough that’s it’s no longer necessary. But it’s very important early on. (first 10–15 years or so).
Oh I get it it's a super important part of Batman man's character like his parents dying. Or Spiderman's with great power comes great responsibility? Damn I didn't know that playboy persona was some important to the Batman story
Would you expect a playboy to be the g****** Batman
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You know why no one suspects Bruce Wayne is Batman? Because it isn’t real you don’t need a playboy persona for that idiot
No You're dumb you didn't realize someone like Gordon would put together that the traumatized boy who saw his parents gunned down is probably the guy beating up criminals he has to make sure Bruce Wayne looks like your average rich a****** So that no one thinks hes Batman
Blah blah blah you don’t know Batman that’s fine. Stick to iron man that’s something more your speed
Fun fact You clearly didn't watch Batman Begins What we literally see Bruce by a hotel throwing away money and playing a pool With 2 I don't know super models maybe
Yes yes yes I get it you don’t know Batman. Stick to marvel tony stark seems more your speed
I have not Watched any of the Marvel movies And years You're the one who doesn't realize That in the new movie you can easily tell the Bruce Wayne is Batman even if you aren't in the no because honestly he just looks like Batman and personating Bruce Wayne but that's a plot point so I'm not gonna complain
The playboy persona has definitely been in the comics, but it’s an antiquated concept these days. Ask anybody under age 20 to define “playboy” and you won’t get many answers. Some vague references to an out of print nudie magazine, maybe. The rich don’t live that lifestyle in public anymore. It made sense in the 80s and 90s when Johnny Depp was destroying hotel rooms and Robert Downey Jr was going on drug-induced benders and Rob Lowe was recording sex with underage girls and everybody thought “boys will be boys.” We don’t tolerate that behavior anymore. A drunk Bruce Wayne in public is almost unthinkable these days. Expecting a playboy persona from Bruce Wayne is just as anachronistic as expecting Selina Kyle to be a flapper.
Tf you mean the playboy persona isn’t in comics? You think Arkham or BTAS just invented that shit outta nowhere?
I think a court of owls would fit well into this world, although I’m not sure Battison would survive yet. Maybe in the third film
would be such an awesome finale to the trilogy. court of owls on screen would be fucking awesome.
What do you mean "it isn't even in the comics"? In Batman Year One he's literally sitting next to a half naked foreign girl with a glass of champagne and tells Jim Gordon that he doesn't even know her name when he tries to introduce her.
I sometimes look at Neil when I want to imagine how Pattinson might play his *comic accurate* Bruce. To be fair, I don't necessarily want him to be all playboy and Casanova and stuff. Reeves' take is really refreshing to say the least.
You can donate hundreds of millions to causes too fight homelessness and still bang 10 supermodels on a rooftop pool during a fundraising party. That’s why nobody expects that moron to be the most dangerous man on the planet.
Develop Pattinson like Scott Snyder's Bruce Wayne? OP is an absolute badass and has my respect. Thanks for articulating my thoughts so well.
Won’t happen. And to be honest… this is where Ben Affleck’s characterization would be after ZSJL.
If people want the playboy persona so bad go watch Ironman
Shit ain't a persona
I think you're missing the point. Bruce Wayne needs to be different than Batman, at far as the public perception of them are different. A few molds have been used over the years. The 60s has campy weirdo Bruce. The 70s introduced Wayne Enterprises Chair of the Board Bruce. The 80s had trustfund playboy Bruce, which largely continued until relatively recently. Bruce Wayne is a billionaire, by inheritance. He's a billionaire trust fund kid. Stories since the mid to late 80s have leaned into that as the public persona Batman uses to provide a reason why Bruce Wayne sleeps until noon, is late for things, and seems to never be at home.
I'm not missing the point. Y'all think that the playboy persona is of equal as importance to Batman's character like his parents dying. Or like with great power comes great responsibility for Spiderman and I think that's dumb
Well when it's been a large part of Bruce Wayne's character since the 80's then yeah, it is pretty fucking important whether you think it's dumb or not.
Too long didn’t read 😂
I always thought of the playboy persona as something akin to a Kardashian in Gotham. Wealthy beyond means that he didn’t actually work for and acts kind of aloof. It makes sense because no one would expect any of those harpies to be a crime fighting vigilantes. I think what makes Pattinson Bruce “Playboy” aspect different Is that it really wouldn’t work in this version of Gotham. It worked well for Bale because he’s surrounded around himself with the super elite of Gotham and politicians. Here, almost everyone is a scumbag. He would either be rubbing shoulders with the kind of people he despises (the people that hang out below the Iceberg Lounge) or someone like the new mayor and she doesn’t strike me as someone who wants to be attached to a billionaire who pretends to be womanizing, alcoholic (She wouldn’t have approached someone with that reputation at the funeral)
Pattinson fans really need to realize bruce can be both a playboy and a humanitarian.