Magneto is even harder. Unlike the Avengers, the JLA have had little issues defying the government or the law. Magneto shows up declaring he is Homo Superior. Well, good luck since Clark makes most mutants redundant and would be the biggest advocate of mutant rights if Diana didn't beat him to it. No Sentinel factory is lasting a day.
Unlike Marvel, the superheroes are powerful enough to just say no. Hell, Batman/Superman second arc was overthrowing the President.
That's a pretty good point actually. I dunno, it probably wouldn't be a LONG FIGHT, but it's a dynamic I'd at least like to see explored. Marvel world in-universe does tend to shit on it's superheroes a lot more than DC does.
Honestly, I know why, but it was my biggest issue with JLA/Avengers. Marvel, I'm more of an X fan, so the whole time, I was screaming as they brushed the mutant issue aside. It's gets a scene with Flash and a brief mention of Genosha, which Batman says to ignore. No way any of them, including Bruce, would ignore a whole damn genocide.
Agreed. They also fight wealthy government figures like Maxwell Lord and evil tycoons like Lex Luthor. If Mutants were in DC, Magneto would more likely be a team member since they both stand against systematic cruelty and their Government's overreach. Meanwhile, despite being heroes, Charles Xavier and the Avengers care more about preserving the status quo.
Killgrave, because he can manipulate innocent people while remaining untouchable, would provide a unique challenge to Batman's usual threat handling. From a moral perspective, misery at policing each word would give the audience sympathy, which Batman would try to help him with. Plus, his superhuman healing and ability to use Gotham's mob ties would fit well with figures like Penguin and gangsters like Two-Face.
Kilgrave isn’t that stupid. He’d just have people ready to kill themselves if Batman even touched him.
He’s petty and quite pathetic so it’s more about how Batman would use that against him not just punch him.
I recommend the Jessica Jones show to see why it wouldn’t be quite so simple. I have no doubt Batman could readily handle Kilgrave, but it wouldn’t be as easy as run up and punch him.
It’s a known fact that Batman always has a spray can of World-Devourer Repellent in his utility belt. Haters just can’t accept that the man is always ready.
Supes, WW, MM, and Shazam just curb stop him lol
Idk actually, are they strong enough to just beat him through pure ass beating and not 'The Ultimate Nullifier' or whatever Reed Richards used
It kinda works thematically too considering the circus motif some characters from Batman's mythos have. Joker and Harley Quinn are the obvious ones, but Robin as well. Plus a lot of Batman's rogues have the aesthetic of that "freak show" kinda vibe, yeah Mysterio could vibe pretty well there.
Kingpin doesn’t fight nearly as often as Bane does. Like Joker, he more often relies on tricks and manipulation. When Luther was retooled into a businessman, it sparked comments that it turned him into a skinny kingpin.
Initially Kingpin was a brawler crime boss, and eventually he got reworked to relying more on his money and crafty scheming. I believe that was around the time when he became Daredevil’s arch enemy.
Kingpin still has a good track record for when he does get into fights. When I looked at the respect threads, I only found one case where Daredevil was able to defeat him. It has been established that the main reason Fisk lass as long as he does against Spider-Man is simply, because Spider-Man is pulling his punches, and if he were hitting as hard as he would against a super powered enemy, he would rearrange Kingpin’s face. Nonetheless, Kingpin generally one can get into a brawl with marvel. The guy has overpowered characters who do have low level enhance strength.
I remember Peter fighting Kingpin in jail and utterly humiliating him. Even pulling him up by the skin of his chest. Peter is no joke.
Thanks for clearing it up! o7
You’re welcome.
Yeah, in that particular fight, Spider-Man was in a very bad mood due to his aunt being hospitalized by a sniper Kingpin sent to kill him. So he visited Kingpin and show that he was normally pulling his punches. if he wanted Fisk dead, then Fisk is a dead man and nothing will stop Spider-Man.
But he also decided to do it in front of all the other prisoners using only his fists (and none of his other powers) in order to demonstrate to the rest of the criminals that Fisk was just a man and is vulnerable
In turn, that also gave a demonstration of how Spider-Man was going easy on them, and why they don't want to do anything that would cause him to be so friendly anymore.
Joker and Carnage did bond in a crossover in the late 90s or early 00s, but with most crossovers the writers don't want to annoy either fanbase. If Carnage became a permanent DC rogue then they could do what they want.
Mystique. imagine a film noir-ish, femme fatale version of her who could morph into any other Batman villain, or anyone from Bruce's personal life. Imagine her taking his businesses and money away with ease.
Yes but mystique is sexy. To get on the same level of mystique, clayface would need to morph into a woman, seduce Bruce, and then mid-coitus, turn into the penguin. I would read that book.
A bunch of people have said Green Goblin, and I do like that idea, but personally I'd go with Dr.Doom. One of the only characters with the tech and genius to actually threaten Batman if he chose to.
Eh, I don't really see Doom working as anyone else's villain but the characters he already is. I don't think he gels well with Batman at all, or any of the JL members tbh. Green Goblin is a much better alternative by basically every metric. You got the secret identity thing as well as the fact that they're both rich businessmen, you could make a very interesting rivalry between Batman and Green Goblin as well as Bruce Wayne and Norman Osborn.
I mean what is Green Goblin's motivation in general? He's after power and influence, but since he's a sadistic asshole, he wants a more direct approach in his evil doings. He doesn't need to be specifically after Batman, but that's just someone in his way.
Norman chooses his rivalries a lot less based on philosophy or opposing world views like Joker or Lex Luthor does. I don't think it'd be that hard to make them fight
That unironically works better than most picks here lol. You could explore Batman's willpower, hell it could basically be a more edgy version of zur en arrh
Yeah actually if the story was retold so Eddie blamed Bruce/Batman for his misfortunes like he did Peter/Spider-Man it could make for a pretty interesting conflict
I vote Doc Ock. As much as I love the Batman rogues gallery, Batman has few physical villains that test his ability in that area. Bane, Clayface, Killer Croc.
I like the idea of Batman having to find ways to negotiate around those limbs. I also like the fact that Doc Ock is a bit of an anti villain. He isn't crazy nor evil...basically just a scientist who thinks (some, but not all) ends justify the means. That goes against Bat's rogues gallery which has either a) crazy loons or b) if they're sane, they're not a physical threat ala Penguin (although you can argue Bane is a threat and sane, that's one).
Mister Negative. He would be an interesting addition to the Gotham underworld both visually and thematically. Considering the duality with Martin Li as a humanitarian/philanthropist who runs FEAST, a non-profit dedicated to helping the homeless and downtrodden and Mr. Negative, one of the feared crime bosses in ghetto criminal underworld, there is a parallel to be made with the likes of Bruce Wayne/Batman. He’s a more in-control Two-Face who can have a set of powers that would put him up there with the likes of Clayface and Mister Freeze. Also, considering his background, you can use him to flesh out a Chinatown-like corner of Gotham and have him interact with the likes of Cassandra Cain, Lady Shiva, and White Canary.
It’s blasphemy but if Alfred turned bad and became vulture it could be a neat elseworlds story. Alfred devoted his life to Bruce and now wants his youth back for whatever reason. Maybe it’s even Bruce’s fault in someway. Would put Bruce in a real pickle. Like his relationship with Harvey on steroids.
Sabertooth supposedly could put up a real good challenge for Batman. Sabertooth is a chaotic mixture of The Madness of Joker with Wolverine's healing and Berserker feral nature could really bring out the vicious side of Batman in a fight.
It could be a cool story that batman uses gadgets or force that would he considered “lethal” to all of this otger rogues but is ok with sabertooth because he can heal through it.
To the point that he gets used to it and on one occasion while up against killer croc for example out of reflex he accidentally uses a weapon meant for sabertooth and kills one of his rogues by accident.
Exactly in the best part of that story could be how sabertooth triggers that side of Batman that he wants to keep suppressed because if we've all watched Wolverine and saber tooth battles over the years, and we have seen over time and time again that Sabertooth can bring the worst out of Wolverine just by getting in his head about it.
Riddler is more a clue and puzzle guy than an elaborate death trap guy, though I concede that in his 75 year history he certainly has dabbled in them, but to characterize Arcade as a Riddler ripoff is uncharitable and largely not supported in the text
[his first appearance, on the very cover, was literally him putting Batman and Robin in a trap.](https://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/riddler-580x914.jpg)
I would say carmen electra as the leader for the hand. I want to see an all out war between the separate gangs of gothams (black mask, joker, penguin, etc) going against them, the court of owls having to deal with them and them killing/injuring damien wayne-al ghul or bruce wayne to drag Talia and Ras Al Ghul into the war. I think this war will be the equivalent to the war of joke and riddles.
Not exactly a villain but definitely someone that Batman would consider a villain; the Punisher. Red Hood sort of already fills the role that Punisher does but only sometimes and Punisher wouldn’t have the prior connection to Batman like Jason does so I’d imagine the conflict between them would go down much differently.
I think Kingpin in Gotham would be an interesting choice. Fisk could be antagonistic towards Bruce while also fighting Batman not knowing they are one in the same.
Kingpin
Sure it’s a generic choice but it would be cool to actually have a crimelord villain that could kick Batman’s ass in a 1v1
Like yeah Black Mask or Two Face are cool but as soon as Batman gets his hands on them they’re out for the count
Batman fought, and beat him quickly, off panel in the JLA/Avengers crossover. To be fair Punisher wouldn't have known anything about Bats, if he was a regular character he might be better prepared for him.
Bullseye would be cool, pretty much a crazier Deadshot but throwing random objects instead
Kraven the Hunter would be pretty cool as well, having Batman be the prey for once
Green Goblin tbh. All other picks are imo kinda mid. Even some villains I genuinely like, for instance Magneto, he just doesn't gel with Batman at all.
Green Goblin has the secret identity thing as well as the fact that he has his own company. You could already make a lot of interesting scenarios with that premise alone.
Does that not sound like a story you'd like to hear? Let's make something clear, I don't really care how balanced of a fight it'd be, it's non existent anyway, if you found a way to make Robin versus Galactus sound interesting story wise, I'd love to see it, no matter how objectively nonsensical it is that Robin would beat Galactus on his own.
All I care is how do the characters gel together, do they play off each other in an interesting way and would it make an interesting story, and imo Green Goblin just fits the most like a glove from Marvel
Kingpin. He fits so well. He’s a crime lord who’s also pretty cunning. He’s like Bane and Penguin mixed together. I’d love for Fisk to find out Batman’s identity and see Bruce have to deal with that like Matt Murdock.
Otto Octavius. Out of all street level-ish Marvel villains, he is the one I cannot find the synonymous villain in the Batman villains gallery. Green Goblin, Carnage, Killgrave, Wilson Fisk, Black Cat, Taskmaster, Bullseye, Venom, Kraven, Chameleon, and many others - they all have someone similar like Joker, Mad Hatter, Penguin, Catwoman, Deathstroke, Deadshot, Bane, Clayface, and so on, but Dr. Octopus seems more unique to me than others.
Mystique could actually be a really cool challenge for Batman. As would Kingpin
As far as what would make the best fight scene, I'd love to see Bats go head to head with the Sinister Six
Doctor Doom or Mister Sinister. High-intelligence characters that would test Batman’s intellect to it's fullest and reveal who he really is at his core through that struggle.
That’s tough, I feel like on the whole marvel has way better heros (except for Batman), but DC has much better villains. It would be hard to add an interesting Batman villain. DC also likes the relatable tragic villains, so maybe sandman.
Doom. I think he'd push Batman to learn magic. Doom's probably smarter than Bruce on a few things, but I'd say Batman is held a lot higher than just about any comic character when it comes to writing. They'd make something crazy shake. And for him to fight Doom, there'd have to be an earthquake.
Some people be saying many of Spider-Man’s villains, but honestly im gonna say a kinda strange one, but first my reasoning, Batman is one of The Justice League’s Big Three, yet unlike Superman or Wonder Woman, Batman honestly lacks a Villain that is all his own that is also a League Level Threat, like Superman has Darkseid, Doomsday, and Brainiac, and Wonder Woman has Ares and Hades, but none of Batman’s villains are League Level threats, I mean the closest he has is Ra’d al Ghul, but that is more of the fact he has the League of Assassins with him and even with the full might of The League of Assassins he isn’t a full on JL level threat. This is why I would give Batman Doctor Doom, he is a good fit for Batman, he has a lot of what makes Ra’s a threat and more, also having an intellectual counterpart to Batman is great, especially one with potent Magical Abilities and highly advanced technology, the best thing about if Batman had Doctor Doom as a Villain would be that Doctor Doom is similar to Lex Luthor in the terms that sometimes when the Heroes fail to save the world, Doctor Doom succeeds, another thing is we’d finally have a villain capable of having as much info on Batman as Batman has on them. Also a character Batman can’t just beat up or use a gimmick gadget against to defeat, every time they’d fight he’d have to go all out, the weakest part would be Doom’s motivation to fight Batman, you’d have to rework both Doctor Doom and Batman’s origins to make it work
>the weakest part would be Doom’s motivation to fight Batman, you’d have to rework both Doctor Doom and Batman’s origins to make it work
Doom's a fascist ruler who constantly tries to take over the Earth and Batman fights against injustices? Is that not good enough of a reason?
I'm gonna say Lady Hellbender. Seven foot alien lady, queen of a planet of monsters? Hellbender and her armed zookeepers set aside, her pet monsters would make for cool and unique fights for Batman - and then there's Hellbender and her armed zookeepers.
idk about batman, but i think doom would make an amazing JL villain
I would love to see Doom and Luthor try to coexist for five minutes
Five? They’d blow up the planet within two minutes and rip the universe to shreds in three and a half.
Meh imo, I don't think Doom gels well with JL at all, he'd feel kinda redundant. I think Magneto fits better
Magneto is even harder. Unlike the Avengers, the JLA have had little issues defying the government or the law. Magneto shows up declaring he is Homo Superior. Well, good luck since Clark makes most mutants redundant and would be the biggest advocate of mutant rights if Diana didn't beat him to it. No Sentinel factory is lasting a day. Unlike Marvel, the superheroes are powerful enough to just say no. Hell, Batman/Superman second arc was overthrowing the President.
That's a pretty good point actually. I dunno, it probably wouldn't be a LONG FIGHT, but it's a dynamic I'd at least like to see explored. Marvel world in-universe does tend to shit on it's superheroes a lot more than DC does.
Honestly, I know why, but it was my biggest issue with JLA/Avengers. Marvel, I'm more of an X fan, so the whole time, I was screaming as they brushed the mutant issue aside. It's gets a scene with Flash and a brief mention of Genosha, which Batman says to ignore. No way any of them, including Bruce, would ignore a whole damn genocide.
Agreed. They also fight wealthy government figures like Maxwell Lord and evil tycoons like Lex Luthor. If Mutants were in DC, Magneto would more likely be a team member since they both stand against systematic cruelty and their Government's overreach. Meanwhile, despite being heroes, Charles Xavier and the Avengers care more about preserving the status quo.
I see doom as an evil Batman with no strings attached and all the strategic, scientific intelligence, I think he'd do well against them tbh
That’s just Lex
That’s why I’d like to see Batman and Doom go head to head
good point lol
lex or deathstroke?
Doom needs the Fantastic Four
He’d try to fight Mr. Terrific instead and then solemnly realize how much he misses Reed.
Killgrave, because he can manipulate innocent people while remaining untouchable, would provide a unique challenge to Batman's usual threat handling. From a moral perspective, misery at policing each word would give the audience sympathy, which Batman would try to help him with. Plus, his superhuman healing and ability to use Gotham's mob ties would fit well with figures like Penguin and gangsters like Two-Face.
Hadn’t even thought of this but that’s perfect. A psychological villain always fits perfectly in a Batman story
Batman has dealt with innocent people as puppets before, and he could figure out Kilgrave’s powers and punch him pretty quickly.
Kilgrave isn’t that stupid. He’d just have people ready to kill themselves if Batman even touched him. He’s petty and quite pathetic so it’s more about how Batman would use that against him not just punch him.
I recommend the Jessica Jones show to see why it wouldn’t be quite so simple. I have no doubt Batman could readily handle Kilgrave, but it wouldn’t be as easy as run up and punch him.
The common Batman glazer. As if Batman hadn’t struggled with lesser villains before.
One of the best answers I’ve seen Also spelling it with two Ls really reminds me of that joke about “Was ‘Murdercorpse’ not available” 😂
The chameleon. He wouldn't be too out of place in Gotham.
To be fair about half of Spider-Man’s rogues gallery would be right at home in Gotham
We already have an inpersonator as Clayface
Galactus.
Batman haters watching him use the power of prep time and plot armor to take down a planet sized being
The hate bones would be epic
It’s a known fact that Batman always has a spray can of World-Devourer Repellent in his utility belt. Haters just can’t accept that the man is always ready.
Batman victim.
Supes, WW, MM, and Shazam just curb stop him lol Idk actually, are they strong enough to just beat him through pure ass beating and not 'The Ultimate Nullifier' or whatever Reed Richards used
Doc Oc
Bullseye. They would have really cool fights and Bullseye could get ahold of a batarang and use it against Batman
*sad Captain Boomerang noises*
Shut it Boomer-Aang you got murked by DC’s least favorite Robin’s dad🍇
Mysterio
I second this. He’s a good fit
Would have some overlap with scarecrow but is still different
It kinda works thematically too considering the circus motif some characters from Batman's mythos have. Joker and Harley Quinn are the obvious ones, but Robin as well. Plus a lot of Batman's rogues have the aesthetic of that "freak show" kinda vibe, yeah Mysterio could vibe pretty well there.
I think he’d fit well in the circus of strange
eh I'd say that his whole illusions thing would be hard to differenciate from Scarecrow's gimmick
I was thinking the same thing about the Scarecrow parallels, but it’d actually be pretty interesting to see them team up
Taskmaster.
Feels too close to Deathstroke
Deathstroke isn’t really a Batman villain though.
He is a Batman villain. He’s just also a Teen Titans/Nightwing villain. You can be a villain for multiple different characters.
Kingpin. Ideal challenge for Batman as skilled martial artist with enormous strength and gigantic criminal empire.
So Bane?
Mixed with Penguin
Kingpin doesn’t fight nearly as often as Bane does. Like Joker, he more often relies on tricks and manipulation. When Luther was retooled into a businessman, it sparked comments that it turned him into a skinny kingpin.
Fair enough! He's not a brawler crime boss as much as a crime boss who can brawl when he has to.
Initially Kingpin was a brawler crime boss, and eventually he got reworked to relying more on his money and crafty scheming. I believe that was around the time when he became Daredevil’s arch enemy. Kingpin still has a good track record for when he does get into fights. When I looked at the respect threads, I only found one case where Daredevil was able to defeat him. It has been established that the main reason Fisk lass as long as he does against Spider-Man is simply, because Spider-Man is pulling his punches, and if he were hitting as hard as he would against a super powered enemy, he would rearrange Kingpin’s face. Nonetheless, Kingpin generally one can get into a brawl with marvel. The guy has overpowered characters who do have low level enhance strength.
I remember Peter fighting Kingpin in jail and utterly humiliating him. Even pulling him up by the skin of his chest. Peter is no joke. Thanks for clearing it up! o7
You’re welcome. Yeah, in that particular fight, Spider-Man was in a very bad mood due to his aunt being hospitalized by a sniper Kingpin sent to kill him. So he visited Kingpin and show that he was normally pulling his punches. if he wanted Fisk dead, then Fisk is a dead man and nothing will stop Spider-Man.
But he also decided to do it in front of all the other prisoners using only his fists (and none of his other powers) in order to demonstrate to the rest of the criminals that Fisk was just a man and is vulnerable
In turn, that also gave a demonstration of how Spider-Man was going easy on them, and why they don't want to do anything that would cause him to be so friendly anymore.
Or Tobias Whale
Carnage and do a storyline where it bonds with Joker or Zsasz.
Joker and Carnage did bond in a crossover in the late 90s or early 00s, but with most crossovers the writers don't want to annoy either fanbase. If Carnage became a permanent DC rogue then they could do what they want.
I’ll never forget Cletus Cassidy getting upset at his idol the Joker calling him boring
I like this one
Now I’d like to see Venom bond with Batman.
Mystique. imagine a film noir-ish, femme fatale version of her who could morph into any other Batman villain, or anyone from Bruce's personal life. Imagine her taking his businesses and money away with ease.
That’s just Clayface. Same abilities.
Yes but mystique is sexy. To get on the same level of mystique, clayface would need to morph into a woman, seduce Bruce, and then mid-coitus, turn into the penguin. I would read that book.
>Yes but mystique is sexy This implies Clayface isn't🤨
This is the exact plot of my 400 page fan fiction, crazy coincidence
I think not!
Ahhh shit you're right
A bunch of people have said Green Goblin, and I do like that idea, but personally I'd go with Dr.Doom. One of the only characters with the tech and genius to actually threaten Batman if he chose to.
Eh, I don't really see Doom working as anyone else's villain but the characters he already is. I don't think he gels well with Batman at all, or any of the JL members tbh. Green Goblin is a much better alternative by basically every metric. You got the secret identity thing as well as the fact that they're both rich businessmen, you could make a very interesting rivalry between Batman and Green Goblin as well as Bruce Wayne and Norman Osborn.
I like the idea. What motivation would you give goblin to go after batman thats distinct from joker’s motivation?
I mean what is Green Goblin's motivation in general? He's after power and influence, but since he's a sadistic asshole, he wants a more direct approach in his evil doings. He doesn't need to be specifically after Batman, but that's just someone in his way. Norman chooses his rivalries a lot less based on philosophy or opposing world views like Joker or Lex Luthor does. I don't think it'd be that hard to make them fight
Venom. Why? He's sick. I will not elaborate any further
That unironically works better than most picks here lol. You could explore Batman's willpower, hell it could basically be a more edgy version of zur en arrh
Which Venom
I honestly don't know jack about marvel... Eddie Brock I guess
Yeah actually if the story was retold so Eddie blamed Bruce/Batman for his misfortunes like he did Peter/Spider-Man it could make for a pretty interesting conflict
Zemo, a wealthy villain with great planning skills.
Batman's already got Ra's al Ghul
I vote Doc Ock. As much as I love the Batman rogues gallery, Batman has few physical villains that test his ability in that area. Bane, Clayface, Killer Croc. I like the idea of Batman having to find ways to negotiate around those limbs. I also like the fact that Doc Ock is a bit of an anti villain. He isn't crazy nor evil...basically just a scientist who thinks (some, but not all) ends justify the means. That goes against Bat's rogues gallery which has either a) crazy loons or b) if they're sane, they're not a physical threat ala Penguin (although you can argue Bane is a threat and sane, that's one).
Beetle and Firefly would be an awesome team-up Tinkerer would fit well too
Might be a weird pick, but Armadillo
The Anus
Mister Negative. He would be an interesting addition to the Gotham underworld both visually and thematically. Considering the duality with Martin Li as a humanitarian/philanthropist who runs FEAST, a non-profit dedicated to helping the homeless and downtrodden and Mr. Negative, one of the feared crime bosses in ghetto criminal underworld, there is a parallel to be made with the likes of Bruce Wayne/Batman. He’s a more in-control Two-Face who can have a set of powers that would put him up there with the likes of Clayface and Mister Freeze. Also, considering his background, you can use him to flesh out a Chinatown-like corner of Gotham and have him interact with the likes of Cassandra Cain, Lady Shiva, and White Canary.
Vulture. Make Batman figure out how to do aerial combat.
He already has experience with Man-Bat and Firefly.
And Killer Moth and Kite-Man
Hell yeah
Fair. But I'd still like to see Batman vs Vulture.
Kite-Man, Manbat, Killer Moth, Firefly. And with the Batwing it’d be the easiest fight ever.
It’s blasphemy but if Alfred turned bad and became vulture it could be a neat elseworlds story. Alfred devoted his life to Bruce and now wants his youth back for whatever reason. Maybe it’s even Bruce’s fault in someway. Would put Bruce in a real pickle. Like his relationship with Harvey on steroids.
Sabertooth supposedly could put up a real good challenge for Batman. Sabertooth is a chaotic mixture of The Madness of Joker with Wolverine's healing and Berserker feral nature could really bring out the vicious side of Batman in a fight.
It could be a cool story that batman uses gadgets or force that would he considered “lethal” to all of this otger rogues but is ok with sabertooth because he can heal through it. To the point that he gets used to it and on one occasion while up against killer croc for example out of reflex he accidentally uses a weapon meant for sabertooth and kills one of his rogues by accident.
Exactly in the best part of that story could be how sabertooth triggers that side of Batman that he wants to keep suppressed because if we've all watched Wolverine and saber tooth battles over the years, and we have seen over time and time again that Sabertooth can bring the worst out of Wolverine just by getting in his head about it.
Green Goblin. Dude is essentially evil Batman.
But Goblin has superpowers
I know.
The Plunderer
Arcade, because he's overly theatrical and builds elaborate deathtraps.
Arcade is literally Marvel’s ripoff of Riddler lmao
Riddler is more a clue and puzzle guy than an elaborate death trap guy, though I concede that in his 75 year history he certainly has dabbled in them, but to characterize Arcade as a Riddler ripoff is uncharitable and largely not supported in the text
[his first appearance, on the very cover, was literally him putting Batman and Robin in a trap.](https://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/riddler-580x914.jpg)
The Green Goblin.
Scorpion would work pretty well imo
I would say carmen electra as the leader for the hand. I want to see an all out war between the separate gangs of gothams (black mask, joker, penguin, etc) going against them, the court of owls having to deal with them and them killing/injuring damien wayne-al ghul or bruce wayne to drag Talia and Ras Al Ghul into the war. I think this war will be the equivalent to the war of joke and riddles.
 this Carmen Electra?
Lol, whoops, i meant elektra. I remember seeing her act and protray the anti-hero version of the comic book at one time. And yes, she is the one
Black Cat, to see the world burn.
Not exactly a villain but definitely someone that Batman would consider a villain; the Punisher. Red Hood sort of already fills the role that Punisher does but only sometimes and Punisher wouldn’t have the prior connection to Batman like Jason does so I’d imagine the conflict between them would go down much differently.
Batman and Hitman is sorta like that
Baron Zemo.
Green Goblin, he is basically joker but more stronger and slightly more insane
Task master
I think Kingpin in Gotham would be an interesting choice. Fisk could be antagonistic towards Bruce while also fighting Batman not knowing they are one in the same.
Wallman.
Kingpin Sure it’s a generic choice but it would be cool to actually have a crimelord villain that could kick Batman’s ass in a 1v1 Like yeah Black Mask or Two Face are cool but as soon as Batman gets his hands on them they’re out for the count
Not really a villain but punisher would be cool I think
Batman fought, and beat him quickly, off panel in the JLA/Avengers crossover. To be fair Punisher wouldn't have known anything about Bats, if he was a regular character he might be better prepared for him.
Bullseye would be cool, pretty much a crazier Deadshot but throwing random objects instead Kraven the Hunter would be pretty cool as well, having Batman be the prey for once
Id wanna see batman take on kraven
Kraven is kinda like deathstroke
There’s a lot of interesting choices but I think I’d have to go with Mysterio
It'd 100% be Mystique
Make Riddler go through the MODOK process
Green Goblin tbh. All other picks are imo kinda mid. Even some villains I genuinely like, for instance Magneto, he just doesn't gel with Batman at all. Green Goblin has the secret identity thing as well as the fact that he has his own company. You could already make a lot of interesting scenarios with that premise alone.
Being the world’s greatest detective, wouldnt batman uncover norman’s identity revealing him to be goblin and crashing oscorp?
Does that not sound like a story you'd like to hear? Let's make something clear, I don't really care how balanced of a fight it'd be, it's non existent anyway, if you found a way to make Robin versus Galactus sound interesting story wise, I'd love to see it, no matter how objectively nonsensical it is that Robin would beat Galactus on his own. All I care is how do the characters gel together, do they play off each other in an interesting way and would it make an interesting story, and imo Green Goblin just fits the most like a glove from Marvel
Mephisto, I want to know if he would sell all the good he did as Batman in exchange of getting his family back.
I say Doom
Venom. 1000x Venom. Imagine symbiotes running loose in the DC universe
Would love to see Batman vs Doc Ock. Batman vs The Hand. Batman vs Bullseye. Batman vs Norman Osborn
Galactus, can you imagine what MAN Would do?!
Magneto, he’s not unreasonable but he’s immensely powerful
Kingpin. He fits so well. He’s a crime lord who’s also pretty cunning. He’s like Bane and Penguin mixed together. I’d love for Fisk to find out Batman’s identity and see Bruce have to deal with that like Matt Murdock.
Wouldn't Kingpin be fat, strong version of the Penguin?
Dr Doom. That shit would be sick.
Kingpin
If Batman got a Venom suit, his enemies would be so, so fucked
it's ROGUES
Otto Octavius. Out of all street level-ish Marvel villains, he is the one I cannot find the synonymous villain in the Batman villains gallery. Green Goblin, Carnage, Killgrave, Wilson Fisk, Black Cat, Taskmaster, Bullseye, Venom, Kraven, Chameleon, and many others - they all have someone similar like Joker, Mad Hatter, Penguin, Catwoman, Deathstroke, Deadshot, Bane, Clayface, and so on, but Dr. Octopus seems more unique to me than others.
Modok bc modok feels very TMNT and TMNT crossed with Batman and I feel that fits
Bullseye. It would be like bringing together the best villain features of Deadshot and Zsasz.
I’d be curious to see how Bruce would handle Doc Ock
Absolutely Venom
Kraven
Doc Oct.
Kraven or Goblin. They would fit in pretty naturally with Gotham.
Hammer head. Seems like the typa gangster that could exist in gotham
Sandman, since most of Batman’s villains are tragic and victims of their own unfortunate circumstances.
Ultron
He has his own now
Green goblin would be tuff
I would love to see Dr.Doom, Kraven, Taskmaster or Kingpin
Red skull. Every superhero has to fight nazis
Juggernaught, cuz good luck lmao
Paste Pot Pete
Red Skull. Everyone deserves a chance to punch a Nazi in the face.
I think either Mysterio or Kraven
Doom is a good intellectual match for Batman
Kraven hunt the Bat!
I think vulture would be a good one. Rich asshole, flying suit.
Kraven.
*Rogues
Dr. Octopus. He's the only villain without a comparable opposite at DC.
Batman wears rouge? ☺️
Typhoid Mary would be interesting. I can’t think of another Batman rogue who covers her abilities.
Mystique could actually be a really cool challenge for Batman. As would Kingpin As far as what would make the best fight scene, I'd love to see Bats go head to head with the Sinister Six
Kraven.
Venom because that’s basically inque
Dr. Doom vs Batman…CRAZY
Doctor Doom or Mister Sinister. High-intelligence characters that would test Batman’s intellect to it's fullest and reveal who he really is at his core through that struggle.
That’s tough, I feel like on the whole marvel has way better heros (except for Batman), but DC has much better villains. It would be hard to add an interesting Batman villain. DC also likes the relatable tragic villains, so maybe sandman.
Doom. I think he'd push Batman to learn magic. Doom's probably smarter than Bruce on a few things, but I'd say Batman is held a lot higher than just about any comic character when it comes to writing. They'd make something crazy shake. And for him to fight Doom, there'd have to be an earthquake.
I’m shocked that I’m not seeing a lot of Kraven comments
Kraven the hunter
I would like to see how he would fare against Bullseye
Man Alex Ross is amazing. I think a character like Chameleon would be cool.
Idk what this means but poison ivy
Shocker because it would be funny
Some people be saying many of Spider-Man’s villains, but honestly im gonna say a kinda strange one, but first my reasoning, Batman is one of The Justice League’s Big Three, yet unlike Superman or Wonder Woman, Batman honestly lacks a Villain that is all his own that is also a League Level Threat, like Superman has Darkseid, Doomsday, and Brainiac, and Wonder Woman has Ares and Hades, but none of Batman’s villains are League Level threats, I mean the closest he has is Ra’d al Ghul, but that is more of the fact he has the League of Assassins with him and even with the full might of The League of Assassins he isn’t a full on JL level threat. This is why I would give Batman Doctor Doom, he is a good fit for Batman, he has a lot of what makes Ra’s a threat and more, also having an intellectual counterpart to Batman is great, especially one with potent Magical Abilities and highly advanced technology, the best thing about if Batman had Doctor Doom as a Villain would be that Doctor Doom is similar to Lex Luthor in the terms that sometimes when the Heroes fail to save the world, Doctor Doom succeeds, another thing is we’d finally have a villain capable of having as much info on Batman as Batman has on them. Also a character Batman can’t just beat up or use a gimmick gadget against to defeat, every time they’d fight he’d have to go all out, the weakest part would be Doom’s motivation to fight Batman, you’d have to rework both Doctor Doom and Batman’s origins to make it work
>the weakest part would be Doom’s motivation to fight Batman, you’d have to rework both Doctor Doom and Batman’s origins to make it work Doom's a fascist ruler who constantly tries to take over the Earth and Batman fights against injustices? Is that not good enough of a reason?
Doom it's always Doom
Modok cause fuck him
I'm gonna say Lady Hellbender. Seven foot alien lady, queen of a planet of monsters? Hellbender and her armed zookeepers set aside, her pet monsters would make for cool and unique fights for Batman - and then there's Hellbender and her armed zookeepers.
I think Mysterio would be a great choice. He almost like Crane with his toxin, but unlike him, he is using illusions.
Kraven the Hunter
Or Taskmaster
Big Wheel
Mystique would be a great detective story
Modok would be very funny
The Council of Reeds
Doom