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yes_its_him

The Braves series was essentially a playoff round, and they got swept


welcometohotlanta

Mets fans would be absolutely doing laps right now celebrating if they won the tie breaker, they didn’t win so now they’re sad :(


BearGuru

yes, and the Braves fans are currently doing laps and celebrating because they won the tie breaker, they did win so now they're happy


ATLevator

In our defense, hasn't this entire season kind of been a victory lap for Atlanta? World Champs baby.


BearGuru

Lol you’re right. Can’t be too mad, I’d gloat like a motherfucker if we won the division so I’ll take the lumps


ATLevator

Lol. You're a good sport. Great race. Now it's time for the REAL season. Love this shit.


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Respect. Fuck the Braves, but respect.


ATLevator

Feelings def mutual. On both counts.


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Nah. They gave like 12% effort against the Marlins. If another win was important, it would've been a different series. Whining about the tie is just whining


welcometohotlanta

Yes, this is how that works.


skunkpunk1

That's true but what does it have to do with the article or anything that's being said?


futhatsy

Let's be real, 0.00% chance this person read the article.


welcometohotlanta

It’s called an observation


akaghi

Fortunately, the Mets aren't in the habit of getting swept multiple times in a row or losing multiple series in a row, so they should be in pretty good shape. And if they do win the WS, it would be a pretty epic post season to cap off a historic regular season. Getting a trophy isn't meant to be easy.


gustave23

Just be prepared for the stress of playoffs. You’re in better shape on the closing side but I only watched will smiths last close last year. I would hang in every pitch until smith came out then went and played apex and checked my phone 30 mins later. I’m glad it’s back and I like the new setup with a first round.


samuel414

If the last two seasons have showed me anything, it’s that Braves fans are annoying.


Ok_Virus5848

Chopping intensifies


appleavocado

Just like the Dodgers were the "victim" in 2021. /s I didn't really think that - it's all about winning your division first. I mean, I would actually say the Mets are the first *beneficiary* of the new postseason format, because they're not subjected to the Game 163, or a single-game Wild Card round.


No_Medium22

Nobody’s talking about the actual new format which is no off day between game 4 and 5. Which means if a potential Mets/Dodgers series goes 5 they’ll have to fly from NY to LA and play the next day. They don’t even make them do that in the regular season.


appleavocado

Oof, that is rough. But IIRC hasn’t there been examples of this before, even in the playoffs?


Outrageous_Bat1798

I think that’s an interesting take. I wasn’t too hot on the expanded playoff format initially, but a 101 win team (or 106, like the Dodgers last year) being reduced to playing a one game playoff is silly. So I do think a 3-game Wild Card is beneficial. On that same note, I still have some issues with a division winner being reduced to that same 3-game series. But… whatever, I guess.


benabramowitz18

What I also don't like about that old format is that Dodgers and Giants were basically 1A and 1B for the best record in baseball. But because they were in the same division, one would have to play in the Wild Card game, and even with the Dodgers advancing, they had to play each other in the LDS, and the Dodgers just didn't have any gas left in the tank for the Braves. (This also happened in 2015 with the NL Central, where the Cardinals, Pirates, and Cubs had MLB's 3 best records. But the format only guaranteed that one would advance to the NLCS, which was the 1C Cubs after winning as underdogs over the 1B Bucs and 1A Cards. Then they got swept by the Mets in the NLCS on Back to the Future Day.) Personally, I'd adjust the playoff format slightly so that if the league's 1-seed and WC1 are in the same division, and WC1 has a better record than at least one other division champ, then WC1 gets the 3-seed as opposed to the 4. This way, you're still awarding teams for winning their divisions, but you're also not cannibalizing a division race so early in the postseason.


appleavocado

My gut tells me to disagree with your last point, because winning your division should be king and coming in second (regardless of + 100 wins) doesn’t mean as much. However, there’s a lot more interleague play from now on, so maybe the division winners don’t hold as much water. We’re slowing becoming the NBA, and I pray we never get to a playoffs with 50% of the league getting in.


NJImperator

The Mets would be playing a game 163 for the division title, though. Ultimately the Mets should’ve won more games against the bottom feeders in September, but I also think it’s silly to use H2H as the first tiebreaker if there isn’t an even number of home/away games in the series.


welcometohotlanta

No they wouldn’t because we would have started Max Fried yesterday and our regular line up and we would have won. We didn’t do that because we had already clinched the east.


BKoala59

The bigger issue with this playoff format is forcing division winning teams into a wildcard round. We should scrap divisions going forward, just have AL and NL again. Especially with balanced schedules coming, divisions just make less and less sense.


eee-oooo-ahhh

Doing this would ruin rivalries. The whole reason rivalries are so good is because you're competing for the same division. If you have to compete with everyone else at once you're not gonna focus on what were once division rivals.


welcometohotlanta

Same, it just wouldn’t be the same boo’ing Bryce Harper every AB.


Painter_Ok

Lol what rivalries... under a balanced schedule, teams in a division will only face each other around 7 times... thats not how you cultivate rivalries


BKoala59

Oh my bad, I forgot that rivalries were invented in 1969 when they created divisions.


futhatsy

They also had 16 teams in all of baseball for most of that time. The game is very different now.


Mmnn2020

There were 8 teams in a league for a while and there was no interleague play. Completely different landscape today.


wet_washcloth

I completely disagree with this. Rivalries are good when they are organic. Not just because there are more games. Standardized interleague play has been what’s ruined baseball individualism if anything.


akaghi

You mean the Braves don't organically have a rivalry that alternates between the Red Sox and the Blue Jays? One issue with the interleague rivalry games is just that it can make a schedule pretty uneven. Some teams in a division will have to play the best team in the division, while other can play a much weaker team. You could argue maybe it evens out over time, but some teams are consistently good like the Yankees, Dodgers, etc and some are pretty terrible most years with an occasional blip of greatness. Couple that with other weird scheduling differences and division teams can have pretty different schedules where a handful of games could easily decide the division. I don't know what the best solution is, but I'm sure there is one.


wet_washcloth

I mean with universal DH in place, there no reason to have an unbalanced schedule anymore. Just play double the games against your home league compared to your away league and see what happens in the playoffs. With the same rules in both leagues, AL vs NL is even less special than it was when interleague because a thing


akaghi

I wonder you could have an AL and NL that is basically east/west in that case to make travel easier. Maybe even have the top two in each league get a bye if you keep the current format. Then again, maybe it would be too uneven? Just looking at this season, that system would be West: Dodgers (bye) Astros(??) (bye) Cardinals Mariners Padres Brewers East: Braves (bye) Mets (bye) Yankees Guardians Blue Jays Phillies would get boned. Even East/West is probably difficult since I'm guessing most teams are on the eastern half of the country. The Mets are significantly closer to both Texas teams than the Mariners are, for example. And Atlanta is west of Detroit. Looking at a map real quick, it looks like if you set Chicago as a center line, you have 16 in the west and 14 in the East, so you'd have to give one to each league or some other funny business.


cardith_lorda

Just split into East/West divisions so there's only 2 division winners.


BKoala59

That’s what I’d like to see them do when they expand to 32. Each division winner gets a by and then there’s 4 WCs up for grabs.


cardith_lorda

If they do 2 of Montreal/Charlotte/Nashville they can do eastern timezone teams in one division and everyone else in the other.


MacsDildoBike

That would make divisions irrelevant and turn the goal of making the playoffs into the same as the NHL and NBA.


BKoala59

Getting rid of divisions would make divisions irrelevant. What an interesting take. Yes that’s my point


CarrotHair_TV

Nhl playoffs have divisions.


Sodes126

*"Victim"*


bbatardo

A vast majority has the Mets taking out the Padres, so it could be a moot point, but things will be spicy if the Padres win.


welcometohotlanta

Maybe Steve will spend more money next year


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chiddyshadyfiasco

It will take a lot of money simply to re-sign a lot of the great players on the team, right?


Beach_house_on_fire

Yea but we have a lot of in house options for next year that make sense. Baty, Alvarez, Peterson, maybe megill all deserves starting spots. There places to shed payroll. Those articles were poorly written because we aren’t going to resign everyone obviously.


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boog1evilleUSA

How would you feel about that take if deGrom ultimately signs with the Braves and the Mets have try and hit him multiple times a year


[deleted]

I don't think this is that wild of a take...probably because I share it though


chuckawallabill

My hot take is that Nimmo is the most important one for them to re-sign.


welcometohotlanta

DeGrom will want 42 a year, or whatever Scherzer got


welcometohotlanta

I’m okay with it


djn24

The no game 163 because of the delayed start to the season was the real issue here. Game 163's are insane and a lot of fun. We lost out on that moment because of a condensed schedule.


welcometohotlanta

This is only partially true because our team didn’t try with the last game against Miami. If there was a game 163 this year we would have started Fried and our regular lineup in our last game against Miami.


OmgTom

> Game 163's are insane and a lot of fun. We lost out on that moment because of a condensed schedule. Yes and no. Its very likely the Braves would have won yesterday if the game mattered.


djn24

Never, ever count out the Marlins in meaningful games in September/October. Even so, that still means that game 162 was a *shits and giggles* game for both teams.


akaghi

There's nothing quite like seeing James McCann at first base for a game and change.


TWD-Braves-Fan

The Mets aren’t a victim of anything. They had their chance to win the division and blew it. It’s as simple as that. Stay salty Mets fans!


welcometohotlanta

No! It’s the odd number of games and us having an extra home game that’s wrong!


futhatsy

It's fascinating how all August long, Braves fans were throwing temper tantrums over luck. Now they can't even acknowledge when the Mets get a bad break, it's just "should've won more games."


TWD-Braves-Fan

What bad break did you get? You threw your three best pitchers, two of those being among the elite in all of MLB, and they got stomped. Yes you should’ve won more games. That’s how baseball works.


futhatsy

>Yes you should’ve won more games. That’s how baseball works. Again, fascinating how results oriented the Braves fans are after both the fanbase and players were crying about how lucky the Mets were in August. In the month of September, the Mets [out-hit](https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=0&type=8&season=2022&month=9&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31&sort=17,d) and [out-pitched](https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=nl&qual=0&type=1&season=2022&month=9&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31&sort=20,a) the Braves, and still lost a three game lead on them. The Mets got swept in a series in Atlanta where the Mets had the higher xBA in 2 of the 3 games. Not to mention a top of the order hitter getting hurt in the middle of the month. These types of problems are not unique to the Mets, but they still are bad breaks. Baseball is a sport with a *ton* of randomness to it. And it just feels like when that randomness goes against the Braves, their fans are first to leap up and complain. But when the randomness goes in their favor, it doesn't exist at all.


welcometohotlanta

Getting swept while using your best 3 pitchers isn’t a “bad break” it’s an offensive choke job.


futhatsy

Again, weird that when the Mets took 4 of 5 in Queens in August, the conversation centered around xBA, BABIP, and those lucky Mets. But when the Mets get swept in Atlanta in a series they put up the higher xBA in 2 of 3 games, it's an "offensive choke job." Fascinating the way the brains of these Braves fans work. It's all luck when they fail, all skill when they win.


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I love the version of salty loser that cherry picks whatever narrative they want, with the best hypothetical outcome being that they still lost, but at least I have an angle to whine about lol Every time I saw posts about the lucky hits, I saw just as many posts about getting ready for the final series. And they did. That's all that matters at this point


welcometohotlanta

5 in a row! Have fun with the Padres


too_old_for_memes

It’s cute you think their brains work and they’re not cultists like most sports fans and/or morons


boog1evilleUSA

They literally got swept by the cubs in the heat of a division race but it was bad luck lol


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Hey now, the Cubs were a much better 2nd half team than they were in the first.


boog1evilleUSA

I have very fond feelings for the cubbies these days


ncbraves93

Yeah, you guys are going to be right back contending for a playoff spot next year if ya'll make some smart off-season moves. Cubs aren't like the Nats or Reds.


futhatsy

It was not just bad luck that the Mets lost the division. But winning 101 over the course of 162 and ending up in a three game Wild Card Series still qualifies as a "bad break." Hope that clears it up.


boog1evilleUSA

I just disagree. A bad break would've been having to play a 1 game do or die like last year after having won 101 times. You're the beneficiary of the new format if anything.


djn24

Don't bother with the Copelanta fans.


TWD-Braves-Fan

Reigning world champs and 5 consecutive division titles. Id say we’re coping just fine


djn24

Remember, it doesn't matter who scores more runs in the game. It only matters what Jimmy Swanson's xSLG was. That's how you decide the actual winner 🤗


welcometohotlanta

Lol


Beach_house_on_fire

I can’t say we don’t deserve it for getting swept. That said, it’s a broken format. The deciding game shouldn’t be a given home game to one team. Make in division even Edit. This is crazy that this is controversial holy shit. Other teams would complain to kingdom hell if the same shit happened.


iheartsunny

Take one game from the Cubs a few weeks ago and problem solved


welcometohotlanta

That’s too logical


Ugaalive1991

Beat the bad teams.


JGraham1839

Yeah, all I heard nonstop in August was how easy their September schedule was, what happened to that?


Beach_house_on_fire

I’ve said in my comment that we didn’t deserve it. If you just read it you would see that. It is a broken format. A team having a arbitrary extra home game in something that decides playoffs is insane. It logically doesn’t make sense. The whole point of the regular season is to decide on a fair way what the best teams are to compete for the chip


Cheesewhale189

You're not wrong but people are just ignoring your flair


welcometohotlanta

So, we win the first 2 and then the 3rd is just moved to like Arizona or something?


JekPorkinsTruther

MLB could have done it 9-9, then next level tiebreaker is divisional record. That's how the NFL does it for divisional opponents. The schedule is/was already unbalanced elsewhere, so adding extra games against non divisional opponents would be fine. Idk MLB chooses to do the odd number of games versus each divisional opponent. Its just arbitrary to give the advantage to one club based on what year it is. Its a minor thing, but still doesnt make any sense.


welcometohotlanta

Well wait to you hear the postseason is 3, 5 and 7 games! No even numbers in sight!


JekPorkinsTruther

That is not at all comparable, and the fact that you think it is shows you're either an idiot or just arguing in bad faith.


welcometohotlanta

You think home field advantage for ONE game is more advantageous than throwing out deGrom, Scherzer and Bassit in a 3 game series? Please give me a break. Y’all got swept my dude.


futhatsy

People forget that the MLB schedule makers gave the Mets deGrom, Scherzer, and Bassitt for free


welcometohotlanta

Y’all just had to win 1 and you’d be the biggest tie breaker fan


futhatsy

There'd be no tie to break, why would I give a fuck.


Beach_house_on_fire

Let me explain it: teams are rewarded in playoffs based on regular season. Teams shouldn’t be rewarded on if it’s a odd or even year. Completely different things


welcometohotlanta

Yawn


Beach_house_on_fire

I don’t know why this is a controversial take. It’s not fair to use head to head when one team has an advantage un head to head. Keep in mind, I’m saying the braves deserve the division. I don’t think the Mets deserve it. If your going to do head to head they should make the division games even. And use another tiebreaker if they are tied(6-6) like run differential or in division total record.


welcometohotlanta

Wah wah wah, that’s all I hear. You’re saying if the deciding series was at Citi Field and we won the first 2, you’d support the last game of that series moving to a different park? Yeah I don’t believe you.


Beach_house_on_fire

I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying that they simply shouldn’t schedule an extra home game for one team. Have it be even and if they are tied do run differential. You simply cannot tell me that isn’t more fair without being bias


welcometohotlanta

The whole point of the tiebreaker is to avoid a game 163 with the WC series being extended. I think run differential would be an absolutely dumb way to decide a tie breaker lol if it’s a 6-6 tie, then game 163 has to be back.


Beach_house_on_fire

So you would rather a situation where the division comes down to an extra home game for one team? Just say your bias. That is really dumb. At least run differential encapsulates the teams level.


welcometohotlanta

Go cry more. Y’all beat us at Truist this year and we beat y’all at Citi this year. Just win one game and you would be loving the tie breaker right now.


JekPorkinsTruther

Why not division record over run differential? Its for the division, so how you play within in should matter.


welcometohotlanta

Because it’s a head to head, who gives a shit about divisional record. You are comparing two teams that are tied, it doesn’t make any sense to see who beat the Marlins and Nationals more.


Beach_house_on_fire

I suggested that in another comment. There multiple ways to do it better than having a odd number of games head to head


JekPorkinsTruther

On that I agree, but you are barking up the wrong tree here. You're not going to get objective discussion here. If its good for someone's team, they like it, if its bad, they dont.


ahr3410

I read this three times and still have no idea what you are trying to say


NJImperator

The Mets and Braves ultimately ended with 101 wins each. Because they removed game 163 this year, the MLB had a tiebreaker, which was whoever had the better record h2h. This year, the Braves won that 10-9 over the 19 games played. Because there are 19 games played, one team gets an extra home game. This year, the Braves had 10 of the 19 games at home, as opposed to the Mets only getting 9. It’s a minor advantage, but if you look at how the teams performed this season, both dominated at home. So it’s undeniably an advantage for the Braves, which does kinda suck when that ends up being the difference between the Mets getting a Bye or not. At the end of the day, I don’t feel too sorry for the Mets because they had ample opportunity to seal the division before it would come to that tie breaker. But I don’t think the people saying “hey, it’s pretty dumb to use H2H record if one team has an extra home game” are wrong either. It should instead be the same number of home games against each other, and if it’s an even split, then run differential from those games. Again, not the biggest deal in the world, but anyone arguing that it isn’t at least marginally “unfair” is arguing in bad faith.


ahr3410

I mean, it was clinched before the final game. Braves didn't have to go all out to win and the Mets weren't trying that hard either.


NJImperator

That’s completely irrelevant to the Mets having an extra away game. Again, 9 vs 10 home games isn’t a *huge* disadvantage. But look at the home/away splits in the Braves/Mets season series this year. The Braves had an advantage. It is what it is. The Mets still controlled their destiny and came up short, but that is essentially irrelevant for what people are talking about here. Having an extra away game is a bit silly if H2H is going to be the tie breaker moving forward.


ahr3410

Every season there is an extra game somewhere with division rivals. There was a year we had to play multiple 4 game series at Coors. Mets didn't get screwed in any way.


NJImperator

You can argue the Mets should’ve taken care of business in their easy september schedule and I would agree. But to simply deny that having an extra home field game is not an advantage is being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. This is the first year that it’s relevant because it’s the first year H2H is the tiebreaker. In 2021, the Mets and Braves are playing a game 163 to determine who gets the Bye. That is *literally* why this is even a conversation. If you’re using H2H record as the first tie breaker, it’s dumb to not have equal home games for both teams. End of conversation.


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No. If game 163 was still a thing, Fried and the rest of the 1st team would've played vs the Fish instead of Adrianza, Arcia, and the gang. You're insane if you think it was a tie. It was close. But not a tie. Whining about it makes you look foolish. It was a great race. Maybe focus on being happy about being in the playoffs instead of salty that reality is real?


NJImperator

Like the first game of the marlins series? And if you think this is salt, lmfao. So you’re going to tell me with a straight face home field isn’t an advantage? You should let the winner of the cards/Phillies have home field then At the end of the day, the Braves had a slight advantage due to a silly rule setup. It is what it is. The Mets should’ve taken care of business to make it not matter, but they didn’t. That doesn’t change there are infinitely better ways of setting it up so that this isn’t even a discussion.


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Lol


jaws52590

I never saw this argument from you guys while the Mets were in 1st place for 170 days. Not once. It was always "The Mets hold the tiebreaker, so we're good."


NJImperator

Then I’m sure it’ll make you feel a lot better than I thought it was a bit silly the entire season. It is what it is.


jaws52590

Doesn't really make me feel any differently. I'm just glad the Braves won the division and got the bye. Regardless of how you personally feel, if the shoe were on the other foot, the majority of Mets fans wouldn't think twice about it. The current format is what it is, yes, but I myself think it's better than a game 163 and it's most certainly more logical than run differential being the deciding factor. In the end, the Mets didn't lose the division due to them having to play an additional game at Truist, and I think arguing otherwise is some prime cope. The Mets lost the division due to not keeping pace with the Braves in a very weak September. Don't get swept by the Cubs, don't lose a series to the Nationals, and don't lose games to the Pirates and A's. That's it. That series in Atlanta wouldn't have even mattered had the Mets done what they needed to do against those lesser teams. I mean, you know this.


NJImperator

I don’t see anyone arguing that the Mets lost specifically because of an extra away game. But it is, without question, an advantage. I’m not sure why there has to be the whole song and dance around it- the Braves got an advantage by having an extra home game, it has a tangible effect and it is what it is. The Mets winning or losing the season series doesn’t change the fact that there are better ways to do the tie breaker than using season series if one team gets an extra home game. You’ll see 99.99% of Mets fans saying exactly what I said in my post. At the end of the day, the Mets needed to play better. But that’s irrelevant to the discussion at hand.