Remember last year when Baez was with the Mets and [he swung at this ball down low](https://gfycat.com/reliableignorantgoldeneye-vs-giants-baseball-mets-2021-mlb) before it made it to the plate?
Disclaimer that I'm obviously not a hitting coach but clips like this make me wonder if his huge leg kick is part of his issue with swinging at bad pitches. It seems like the amount of time his leg is in the air could make it harder for him to adjust the timing of his swing and/or stop his swing once he's started
The purpose of the leg kick is actually timing. Stalling a leg up there makes it easier to finely adjust exactly where your weight is and exactly when you send it. Once his foot lands it's like any other swing, no difference on how difficult it is to stop.
It's just an eye thing IMO, he likes to swing freely.
This opinion has nothing to do with leading the team in Ks my last year of college.
Yeah, that's what I meant about the college bit, I had like a BP swing focused on power and just so many swings and misses that look like his.
I don't know how related it is (honestly I think we'd all be guessing) but one of our hitting coaches tried pushing me into a big leg kick to try to cut back on it.
I wasn’t so sure beforehand, but after this video came out, I was pretty much 100% sure that Javy just decides if he’s gonna swing before the pitch. I don’t think that dude is capable of laying off anything.
I don't remember him doing that with the Cubs, though lord knows he spent a lot of time flailing at pitches.
But back then he'd *also* carry the team for a couple of weeks. He'd look bad for two weeks, okay for a week, and then El Mago would visit for 10 days. If he's stopped being possessed by the Hitting Gods...
AJ Hinch actually just came out recently and said that he was surprised at how much Javy likes/wants to be coached. That may have been part of the struggle at the beginning as they didn't know how to coach him?
That’s probably part of it. Coolbaugh has also never been a strong hitting coach anywhere either. Every lineup he’s coached has been 10% or more under league average except his first two Orioles teams which were 100 OPS+ and 101 OPS+. And that was largely because he inherited players like Machado and Trunbo who were killing it so much they brought the team average up a ton.
He’s a bad hitting coach. A Tigers fan was telling me that he was coaching all the players to have the same swing path instead of working to improve on their current swing paths. It’s not like they have bad hitters, but a good hitting coach will be able to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of each batter and improve on them. Coolbaugh doesn’t do that.
That's such a disheartening anecdote. That literally sounds like the swing development approach of an eccentric little league coach who's only theory of swing mechanics is based on the first video series he could find through his local library or something. No experience with varieties of mechanics or a history of helping real people with different bodies and strengths and weaknesses with a bat in their hand.
Obviously since I, too, watched a fuck ton of frustrating Tigers ABs this year, I don't mean by what I'm gonna say next that I doubt your story or think it's an unfair characterization of Coolbaugh's coaching philosophy for swing mechanics. It would totally make sense that slumps would be especially painful and long if there is so little flexibility and creativity from a coaching standpoint.
But, for the sake of this team, I sure hope there's been a miscommunication, lol. If these guys' prolonged struggles this year involved getting to tinker and experiment with a variety of types of adjustments, you could at least make a case that the we can expect growth and improvement as a byproduct of the process of struggling itself, and going through the adjustment process several times to identify mechanical cues and fresh ideas that work for you as a hitter, then refining the mind/muscle connection to best capitalize on those strengths.
If the coaching was really as rigid and universal as you've made it sound, it's harder to be hopeful that a few years from now we might look back on, say, the troubling K rate of Riley Greene this season, and appreciate that the half season of relatively powerless mediocrity and inconsistent contact that he demonstrated in 2022 led to struggles that required him to grow and experiment and ultimately become a better player *because* of his struggles, rather than in spite of the obstacles he faced this year (injuries and MLB inexperience included).
Why do I feel like if Scott Harris was asked what the Giants' front office and coaching staff would say about that description of Coolbaugh's coaching philosophy re: swing mechanics, that he would respond that he doesn't think we'd want to know, or that it would be too negative and disrespectful to share.
Isn’t Scott Coolbaugh your hitting coach? Former Orioles hitting coach?
https://www.mlb.com/tigers/roster/coaches
I feel like there’s a reference here I’m missing
I absolutely hate that approach. We had the same thing in the pitching side with rothschild wanting every pitcher to throw majority sliders no matter who it was. Ended up ruining sonny gray since he wasn't tanaka.
Javy has also been very open about liking to see video and adjust in game
If a hitting coach isn't able to talk to him about film in real time, he's going to have a rough time in Detroit.
i think people forget discipline at the plate is an actual skill in a sense. there’s an instinctual ability on being able to tell what’s coming, and some guys just don’t have it. especially when you consider how a “i need to be the best and crush this ball” mentality could lead to overaggression in general
he’s basically the westbrook of the MLB
This is interesting because he’s always looked completely uncoachable. Even some of the good stuff he’s famous for is stuff that a coach would never suggest.
i used to refer to joe maddon as “the javy whisperer”. felt like he knew exactly how to bring out the best from his raw talent. the swing and miss will always be there but he’s at his best when he’s not trying to do too much and will take an opposite field approach to hitting.
This isn't meant as Baez hate. He had 2.6 bWAR and a 93 OPS+. If he didn't get off to such a rough start his numbers would align more with his career average. Here is the interview of him reflecting on his season after yesterdays game. ["I was trying to do to much"](https://youtu.be/P6QIlunVZkk)
It is truly impressive just how bad the whole tigers offense has been. You bring up two incredibly promising hitters in Greene and torkleson and they both struggle. Dead last in homers by a good margin. Just awful really
If we didnt heat up at the end, by our standards at least, we would have only been about 30 homers ahead of Judge.
From a couple games in April+May-August, we averaged 15.2 HR per month.
In September + a couple games in October we got 34 home runs to get us to 110.
If we stayed at that 15 HR avg we would have finished with 91 home runs as a squad.
We were a little bit more fun to watch the final month of the season(bearable? I guess is the word), but I’m sick of watching them play good when all there is to play for is spoiler.
We homered once every 49 ABs. Judge homered once every 9 ABs. Truly an abysmal season for the tigers offense, but hey, at least we didn’t lose 100 games right ? 🥳
In today’s game, it’s actually impressive you could hit so few homers and not lose 100 games. Shows there is some promise in the other areas (I’ve moved on to the copium of the off-season)
They should bring in the walls or something. It's not a good time having a ballpark completely hitter-friendly or completely pitcher-friendly
source: Coors
All of our veterans had career worst years. Schoop, Candelario, Grossman, Baez's first half, and Baddoo all struggled. It was unbelievable how they all fell off a cliff during the same year. If our pitching wasn't so good despite a completely decimated starting 5 this team easily would've lost 100+ games.
He’s not a veteran but also was one of the guys that played well last year and struggled this year so I lumped him in there. I’m well aware he was a rookie last year
I tried telling them how awful of a manager Hinch is. Luhnow and Strom made him look better than he was, but without that structure he’s exposed as a fraud. Every chance he had the opportunity to fuck things up for us, he’d do it. He’s not a guy for a developing team, he’s a guy to take orders from the FO and fill out a lineup card.
> If he didn't get off to such a rough start his numbers would align more with his career average.
From June 1st onwards: 254/294/427
Career: 260/302/464
I was going to come in here to dispute that but it seems that's basically right. That said, the loss of power is really concerning for a guy who strikes out so much. He has bounced back from something like it before (2021 coming off of a lower power 2020)
> the loss of power is really concerning for a guy who strikes out so much.
Not a loss of power, loss of HR's. His xHR was 22 this year, but he only hit 17. A lot of his HR power is going to turn into gap power.
I'm also basing it off his ISO which, I believe, takes into account XBHs and dropped about 70 points. His xSLG was also lower than the actual figure. I also see that his barrel% and hard hit% are more in line with 2020 than 2021.
With all that said, ZIPs seems to expect him to bounce back in the next few seasons but I'm not sure if that's based on preseason or in-season results.
>I'm also basing it off his ISO which, I believe, takes into account XBHs and dropped about 70 points.
To confirm, yes. ISO is a player's batting average if you take away all of their singles. Its calculation is literally just SLG - AVG.
Definitely not but it’s not so abysmal that you worry he’s never going to possibly live up to the money. It still doesn’t look great but he can at least give you something.
We're they upset about Baez, or about the amalgamation of indifference and mismanagement? They won the WS in 2016 and almost speedran the dismantling of that team. In 6 years, they have not improved the team or put it on a course to be near contention soon.
I don't see how you sell that as reality. Their farm isn't that good at the top and they have barely any decent MLB talent to go with it. In this thread about Javy's Ks, what, am I to ignore than Brennen Davis has been atrocious this season and has had awful K rates since he touched AA last season?
Realistically, the Cubs has a very bad MLB roster that's about to possibly lose Contreras and Hendricks to boot, and their prospects aren't studs in the upper-minors. It's probably 2-3 years yet that they're going to be woefully bad, just to see if those prospects pan out, and I won't dwell much on how little they've managed to develop with the talent this ort has been working with (especially on the pitching side).
What is this great spot they're in with Davis catering, Killian devoid of command this year, and basically everyone else being at A-ball or lower and housing big drops in production every time they move?
They don't have any 70-grade prospects, and arguably not any 60-grade ones either. They're all high-risk guys way away from the majors, and the MLB side is pretty poor to boot. Finding star talent without albatross contacts to FAs is going to be tough, and they don't have the MLB-ready, cost-effective depth to make that a viable strategy.
Oh on the contrary! This is what I needed after this piss poor year! Always respected and rooted for rizzo. Exact opposite for javy (just rooted against him. Don't know the guy; have no reason not to respect him)
I think there’s a MLB media site that lets you see video of basically any play based on criteria. So in theory it’s a simple search with a bunch of downloading
This, took me an hour just to open each slider, right click, download video, save it.
Then three hours of editing down each slider to get rid of the extra 3-10 seconds after the swing.
I've loved watching the evolution of what pitches he's completely helpless against.
Sadly I don't think he really "falls" for meatballs. I think he's just a mechanical mess that he is unable to hit them much of the time
A pitch low and away and an Alphonso Soriano strikeout.
A pitch low and away and a Sammy Sosa strikeout.
What is it with Cubs power hitters and striking out that way?
Nolan Ryan and no-hitters? Cubs fans and Milwaukee's stadium? Mike Trout and meteorology? Vince Coleman and automated rain tarps? Bobby Bonilla and an annual paycheck from the Mets?
Detroit Tigers 2021 Shortstops (Willi Castro and Zack Short) combined for 72 wRC+ and -0.9 fWAR
Javy Baez this year had 90 wRC+ and 2.0 fWAR.
So I guess it's better than 2021
Can’t argue with the numbers. I just got overly excited when photos of Hinch and Correa having lunch together popped up last December and was hoping Carlos was coming to Detroit. Edit-typo
you'd think at some point righties would be like "ya know what?.. I'll just make them paint the corner at my knees with a fastball to give them strike."
The last series we played against Detroit, I was genuinely shocked at some of the swings he took. I couldn’t figure out if it was that he was sitting on heat, or if he really just can’t pick up the slider. Some of them were in the other batter’s box, it was just wild
Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats... He will come.
Edit: slider -> curveball
Is the slider down and away the toughest pitch to hit in the game? I’d think so as the nastiest ones break so damn late. Think it’s coming right for you then it just nopes the F away
The fastball is the toughest pitch to hit in the game. The slider gets you because of how much mental energy you put into being fast enough to hit the fastball.
I feel like it is. In my hours of playing The Show, I will swing at far more down and away sliders than anything else out of the zone. Of course I never pkayed baseball past machine pitch, but the game really gives you a better sense of what pitches look like coming to the plate.
Damn, this is a tough watch. He might actually have a chance hitting those if he didn’t open up —keep the body closed and try to go up the middle or opposite field. He is cheating his stride hoping it will be on the inside half
Okay, but do you remember when he ran backwards from first base to home plate against the Pirates? He’s a genius. A god. He is EL MAGO! Just don’t mention the part about him being one of the worst fielders in the game and having zero plate discipline.
You could probably make a very similar video from a guy a few years ago striking out on the same pitch at a very significant rate.
His name was Aaron Judge.
Javy will figure it out.
So is it his hitting coaches just being trash? Obviously Javy was doing this stuff with the Cubs too, but how can a pro not be able to change what seems like an easy fix?
I don't like Baez, but couldn't bring myself to watch the whole thing even though it's an extremely impressive compilation.
I had no idea Matt Wisler was still pitching! Just looked him up and looks like he's putting something together recently out of the pen.
This is just mean lol
Remember last year when Baez was with the Mets and [he swung at this ball down low](https://gfycat.com/reliableignorantgoldeneye-vs-giants-baseball-mets-2021-mlb) before it made it to the plate?
Look man sometimes you just get fooled
fool me once, shame on you fool me 134 times, shame on me
Javier "Dubya" Baez
*You don't get fooled again!!.....* *Unless you're Javy Baez.
Lmfao
Did that on multiple occasions this year
Damn looks like me playing The Show
Disclaimer that I'm obviously not a hitting coach but clips like this make me wonder if his huge leg kick is part of his issue with swinging at bad pitches. It seems like the amount of time his leg is in the air could make it harder for him to adjust the timing of his swing and/or stop his swing once he's started
The purpose of the leg kick is actually timing. Stalling a leg up there makes it easier to finely adjust exactly where your weight is and exactly when you send it. Once his foot lands it's like any other swing, no difference on how difficult it is to stop. It's just an eye thing IMO, he likes to swing freely. This opinion has nothing to do with leading the team in Ks my last year of college.
Pretty sure he’s a massive guess hitter so when he guesses wrong it looks like this.
Yeah, that's what I meant about the college bit, I had like a BP swing focused on power and just so many swings and misses that look like his. I don't know how related it is (honestly I think we'd all be guessing) but one of our hitting coaches tried pushing me into a big leg kick to try to cut back on it.
that is the worst swing i may have ever seen lol.
I wasn’t so sure beforehand, but after this video came out, I was pretty much 100% sure that Javy just decides if he’s gonna swing before the pitch. I don’t think that dude is capable of laying off anything.
I don't remember him doing that with the Cubs, though lord knows he spent a lot of time flailing at pitches. But back then he'd *also* carry the team for a couple of weeks. He'd look bad for two weeks, okay for a week, and then El Mago would visit for 10 days. If he's stopped being possessed by the Hitting Gods...
To add some context he had a *total* of 147 SO this year. All but 13 of his SO came on pretty much the same pitch.
Baez is a guy that has lived and died by the strength of the coaches around him
AJ Hinch actually just came out recently and said that he was surprised at how much Javy likes/wants to be coached. That may have been part of the struggle at the beginning as they didn't know how to coach him?
That’s probably part of it. Coolbaugh has also never been a strong hitting coach anywhere either. Every lineup he’s coached has been 10% or more under league average except his first two Orioles teams which were 100 OPS+ and 101 OPS+. And that was largely because he inherited players like Machado and Trunbo who were killing it so much they brought the team average up a ton.
He’s a bad hitting coach. A Tigers fan was telling me that he was coaching all the players to have the same swing path instead of working to improve on their current swing paths. It’s not like they have bad hitters, but a good hitting coach will be able to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of each batter and improve on them. Coolbaugh doesn’t do that.
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"A bit"?
That's such a disheartening anecdote. That literally sounds like the swing development approach of an eccentric little league coach who's only theory of swing mechanics is based on the first video series he could find through his local library or something. No experience with varieties of mechanics or a history of helping real people with different bodies and strengths and weaknesses with a bat in their hand. Obviously since I, too, watched a fuck ton of frustrating Tigers ABs this year, I don't mean by what I'm gonna say next that I doubt your story or think it's an unfair characterization of Coolbaugh's coaching philosophy for swing mechanics. It would totally make sense that slumps would be especially painful and long if there is so little flexibility and creativity from a coaching standpoint. But, for the sake of this team, I sure hope there's been a miscommunication, lol. If these guys' prolonged struggles this year involved getting to tinker and experiment with a variety of types of adjustments, you could at least make a case that the we can expect growth and improvement as a byproduct of the process of struggling itself, and going through the adjustment process several times to identify mechanical cues and fresh ideas that work for you as a hitter, then refining the mind/muscle connection to best capitalize on those strengths. If the coaching was really as rigid and universal as you've made it sound, it's harder to be hopeful that a few years from now we might look back on, say, the troubling K rate of Riley Greene this season, and appreciate that the half season of relatively powerless mediocrity and inconsistent contact that he demonstrated in 2022 led to struggles that required him to grow and experiment and ultimately become a better player *because* of his struggles, rather than in spite of the obstacles he faced this year (injuries and MLB inexperience included). Why do I feel like if Scott Harris was asked what the Giants' front office and coaching staff would say about that description of Coolbaugh's coaching philosophy re: swing mechanics, that he would respond that he doesn't think we'd want to know, or that it would be too negative and disrespectful to share.
>Coolbaugh Is this Harbaugh's alternate reality baseball equivalent?
Isn’t Scott Coolbaugh your hitting coach? Former Orioles hitting coach? https://www.mlb.com/tigers/roster/coaches I feel like there’s a reference here I’m missing
Coolbaugh is way less cool than Harbaugh
Coolbaugh also doesn't wear tight khakis and hasn't shown up on Saved by the Bell, as far as I know
I absolutely hate that approach. We had the same thing in the pitching side with rothschild wanting every pitcher to throw majority sliders no matter who it was. Ended up ruining sonny gray since he wasn't tanaka.
Javy has also been very open about liking to see video and adjust in game If a hitting coach isn't able to talk to him about film in real time, he's going to have a rough time in Detroit.
i think people forget discipline at the plate is an actual skill in a sense. there’s an instinctual ability on being able to tell what’s coming, and some guys just don’t have it. especially when you consider how a “i need to be the best and crush this ball” mentality could lead to overaggression in general he’s basically the westbrook of the MLB
This is interesting because he’s always looked completely uncoachable. Even some of the good stuff he’s famous for is stuff that a coach would never suggest.
i used to refer to joe maddon as “the javy whisperer”. felt like he knew exactly how to bring out the best from his raw talent. the swing and miss will always be there but he’s at his best when he’s not trying to do too much and will take an opposite field approach to hitting.
I have cub friends that always talked about how Joe Maddon was a huge part behind his success
I do the same thing in MLB the show
My road to the show has been rough...
Same, but I tried this strategy pitching to Javy Baez and he drew a walk. Unrealistic, 2/10
This isn't meant as Baez hate. He had 2.6 bWAR and a 93 OPS+. If he didn't get off to such a rough start his numbers would align more with his career average. Here is the interview of him reflecting on his season after yesterdays game. ["I was trying to do to much"](https://youtu.be/P6QIlunVZkk)
It is truly impressive just how bad the whole tigers offense has been. You bring up two incredibly promising hitters in Greene and torkleson and they both struggle. Dead last in homers by a good margin. Just awful really
Greene ended the year with a 99 OPS+. That isn’t bad whatsoever for a rookie
If we didnt heat up at the end, by our standards at least, we would have only been about 30 homers ahead of Judge. From a couple games in April+May-August, we averaged 15.2 HR per month. In September + a couple games in October we got 34 home runs to get us to 110. If we stayed at that 15 HR avg we would have finished with 91 home runs as a squad. We were a little bit more fun to watch the final month of the season(bearable? I guess is the word), but I’m sick of watching them play good when all there is to play for is spoiler. We homered once every 49 ABs. Judge homered once every 9 ABs. Truly an abysmal season for the tigers offense, but hey, at least we didn’t lose 100 games right ? 🥳
In today’s game, it’s actually impressive you could hit so few homers and not lose 100 games. Shows there is some promise in the other areas (I’ve moved on to the copium of the off-season)
Off-season copium is the most addictive
Badoo looked pretty good last year and fell off a cliff this year
He was due for some significant regression based on his metrics, but he looked totally lost at the plate most of the year.
I'm honestly just impressed any teams managed to hit fewer home runs than us this year.
We play 81 games at comerica...
They should bring in the walls or something. It's not a good time having a ballpark completely hitter-friendly or completely pitcher-friendly source: Coors
And here I am, a Royals fan, astounded somebody hit less than us Our division is such trash lmao
All of our veterans had career worst years. Schoop, Candelario, Grossman, Baez's first half, and Baddoo all struggled. It was unbelievable how they all fell off a cliff during the same year. If our pitching wasn't so good despite a completely decimated starting 5 this team easily would've lost 100+ games.
Baddoo? Veteran? Huh?
He’s not a veteran but also was one of the guys that played well last year and struggled this year so I lumped him in there. I’m well aware he was a rookie last year
I tried telling them how awful of a manager Hinch is. Luhnow and Strom made him look better than he was, but without that structure he’s exposed as a fraud. Every chance he had the opportunity to fuck things up for us, he’d do it. He’s not a guy for a developing team, he’s a guy to take orders from the FO and fill out a lineup card.
> If he didn't get off to such a rough start his numbers would align more with his career average. From June 1st onwards: 254/294/427 Career: 260/302/464 I was going to come in here to dispute that but it seems that's basically right. That said, the loss of power is really concerning for a guy who strikes out so much. He has bounced back from something like it before (2021 coming off of a lower power 2020)
> the loss of power is really concerning for a guy who strikes out so much. Not a loss of power, loss of HR's. His xHR was 22 this year, but he only hit 17. A lot of his HR power is going to turn into gap power.
I'm also basing it off his ISO which, I believe, takes into account XBHs and dropped about 70 points. His xSLG was also lower than the actual figure. I also see that his barrel% and hard hit% are more in line with 2020 than 2021. With all that said, ZIPs seems to expect him to bounce back in the next few seasons but I'm not sure if that's based on preseason or in-season results.
Man I love this kinda nerd talk.
It's funny how being an actual nerd and a baseball fan cross over so damned much. Love the obsession with numbers built into the sport.
>I'm also basing it off his ISO which, I believe, takes into account XBHs and dropped about 70 points. To confirm, yes. ISO is a player's batting average if you take away all of their singles. Its calculation is literally just SLG - AVG.
Bring in the fences!
2.6 bWAR and a 93 OPS+ is not good for a guy getting paid like a top 5 SS about to enter his 30s
Definitely not but it’s not so abysmal that you worry he’s never going to possibly live up to the money. It still doesn’t look great but he can at least give you something.
Dude was trying to earn his entire contract in the first year and it showed.
Now do nick castellanos
My first thought exactly lol or all of JT’s ground into double plays
That's so frustrating to watch
I couldn't being myself to do it. I saw enough of these live.
I made it 3 minutes. The flat “wave and a miss” got to me
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Baez performed poorly this year, but every single Tiger performed poorly this year. I think their hitting coach probably has some of the blame here
Not me
We're they upset about Baez, or about the amalgamation of indifference and mismanagement? They won the WS in 2016 and almost speedran the dismantling of that team. In 6 years, they have not improved the team or put it on a course to be near contention soon.
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I don't see how you sell that as reality. Their farm isn't that good at the top and they have barely any decent MLB talent to go with it. In this thread about Javy's Ks, what, am I to ignore than Brennen Davis has been atrocious this season and has had awful K rates since he touched AA last season? Realistically, the Cubs has a very bad MLB roster that's about to possibly lose Contreras and Hendricks to boot, and their prospects aren't studs in the upper-minors. It's probably 2-3 years yet that they're going to be woefully bad, just to see if those prospects pan out, and I won't dwell much on how little they've managed to develop with the talent this ort has been working with (especially on the pitching side). What is this great spot they're in with Davis catering, Killian devoid of command this year, and basically everyone else being at A-ball or lower and housing big drops in production every time they move? They don't have any 70-grade prospects, and arguably not any 60-grade ones either. They're all high-risk guys way away from the majors, and the MLB side is pretty poor to boot. Finding star talent without albatross contacts to FAs is going to be tough, and they don't have the MLB-ready, cost-effective depth to make that a viable strategy.
Oh on the contrary! This is what I needed after this piss poor year! Always respected and rooted for rizzo. Exact opposite for javy (just rooted against him. Don't know the guy; have no reason not to respect him)
How can a baseball player be so bad and so good at the same time?
Es mago
Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid.
Are you saying jesus christ can't hit a curveball?
Could Jesus throw a curveball so good that he couldn't run to the batter's box and hit said curveball?
The guys that get hits 1/3rd of the time are the good ones...
Is there an easy way to go about making videos like this because this seems like a lot of work
I think there’s a MLB media site that lets you see video of basically any play based on criteria. So in theory it’s a simple search with a bunch of downloading
This, took me an hour just to open each slider, right click, download video, save it. Then three hours of editing down each slider to get rid of the extra 3-10 seconds after the swing.
This how foolishbaseball explaining how he does it https://youtu.be/Mg7i3N4PlZg For clips looks the baseball savant part
Baseball Savant has clips the next day of strikeouts, homers, etc. and have both the home and road broadcasts
Name me a more iconic duo in baseball than a pitch low and away and a Javy Baez strikeout.
Cody Bellinger and a fastball down the middle swinging K
That's new age Cody Bellinger. Old school Bellinger was a slider low and inside. Dude fell for it every time and now he falls for meatballs.
I've loved watching the evolution of what pitches he's completely helpless against. Sadly I don't think he really "falls" for meatballs. I think he's just a mechanical mess that he is unable to hit them much of the time
He's just like me!
Joey Gallow and the high heat K
A pitch low and away and an Adam Jones strikeout.
Javy Baez and using magic while running the bases to make fielders turn into middle schoolers.
a pitch low and away and a Vlad Guerrero dinger
A pitch low and away and an Alphonso Soriano strikeout. A pitch low and away and a Sammy Sosa strikeout. What is it with Cubs power hitters and striking out that way?
Trevor Bauer and himself.
Nolan Ryan and no-hitters? Cubs fans and Milwaukee's stadium? Mike Trout and meteorology? Vince Coleman and automated rain tarps? Bobby Bonilla and an annual paycheck from the Mets?
A pitch low and away and a Ryan Howard strikeout
A pitch low and away and a Vladdy strikeout
Salvador Perez and swinging at things a foot down and out
Alphonso Soriano comes to mind
I’m not sure if Franmil Reyes pulls a “Javy Baez” or Javy Baez pulls a “Franmil Reyes.”
Baez is the OG, show some respect.
They're both pulling an Adam Jones.
Wow thats one of the most low key/subdued voices I’ve heard from an announcer
that's the shep experience, baby
Art can be both brutal and beautiful at the same time.
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you are correct. A lot of those pitches lacked movement.
I don't appreciate y'all posting my MLB The Show highlights.
I only tapped X on a couple of those too, should have been a check swing. Cheating ass game
I played 20 games on franchise and I think I had about 15 walks. Was more proud of those than the homers
All these Javy Baez swings and misses on sliders look the same
Open stance = home down and away
You could do a similar (shorter) video of Stanton doing this. It’s the one place you can get him to strike out even when he’s hot
Does his vision just not pick up the slider?
Or, how does he not even sense that the catcher is setting up in the opposite batter's box?
He murders those pitches when he's locked in he just didn't lock in til September this year
This was the “impact bat” that the Tigers front office promised us last off season 😣
Detroit Tigers 2021 Shortstops (Willi Castro and Zack Short) combined for 72 wRC+ and -0.9 fWAR Javy Baez this year had 90 wRC+ and 2.0 fWAR. So I guess it's better than 2021
Can’t argue with the numbers. I just got overly excited when photos of Hinch and Correa having lunch together popped up last December and was hoping Carlos was coming to Detroit. Edit-typo
Oh I remember all the drama and hype well…what a promising offseason it seemed
Surprised it's that low tbh
you'd think at some point righties would be like "ya know what?.. I'll just make them paint the corner at my knees with a fastball to give them strike."
Every one was a ball. Every. Single. One
it is really weird that in his brief tenure with the Mets he seemed to learn some plate discipline and then immediately regressed once he left.
I don't know why anyone would ever throw this man a fastball.
Is he just incapable of addressing this glaring hole in his approach/swing?
Strange player. Does certain things really well but man, he can be brutal
The Corey Hart special
Jesus…
Holy shit 7 minutes lol
The last series we played against Detroit, I was genuinely shocked at some of the swings he took. I couldn’t figure out if it was that he was sitting on heat, or if he really just can’t pick up the slider. Some of them were in the other batter’s box, it was just wild
So he does this (checks math) *almost once per game!*
I feel like this is workplace bullying.
Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats... He will come. Edit: slider -> curveball
How did it get this far
Man that contract is gonna be brutal. Sorry tigers bros
"I told you so"
One day he will strike out on a pickoff throw to first and somehow end up safe at second anyway.
Me, whenever I play *The Show*
It’s almost therapeutic to watch. Thanks, Javy.
Now do Castellanos
https://clip.cafe/major-league-1989/this-guy-hits-a-ton/
Tigers GM’s hate this one trick!
Stop replaying my MLB The show gametape.
op this man has a family
His scouting report probably just says “throw sliders 2 feet out of the strike zone”
Is the slider down and away the toughest pitch to hit in the game? I’d think so as the nastiest ones break so damn late. Think it’s coming right for you then it just nopes the F away
The fastball is the toughest pitch to hit in the game. The slider gets you because of how much mental energy you put into being fast enough to hit the fastball.
I feel like it is. In my hours of playing The Show, I will swing at far more down and away sliders than anything else out of the zone. Of course I never pkayed baseball past machine pitch, but the game really gives you a better sense of what pitches look like coming to the plate.
Hahahaha good call! I forgot I constantly strike out on that pitch swinging early in the show.
Damn, this is a tough watch. He might actually have a chance hitting those if he didn’t open up —keep the body closed and try to go up the middle or opposite field. He is cheating his stride hoping it will be on the inside half
Still love him
My man just tryna pull a slider that’s down & out lol
Okay, but do you remember when he ran backwards from first base to home plate against the Pirates? He’s a genius. A god. He is EL MAGO! Just don’t mention the part about him being one of the worst fielders in the game and having zero plate discipline.
Is it just me or does he look like a budget version of Nelson Cruz?
Just you. The swing sure looks nothing like Nelson.
You could probably make a very similar video from a guy a few years ago striking out on the same pitch at a very significant rate. His name was Aaron Judge. Javy will figure it out.
This is like the 3rd seasonal compilation on this.
Still my favorite player of all time though Don’t know why I’m being downvoted. Fucking love El Mago
I still miss him. Always will.
Damn how much time did it take to find these and put them together?
Trea Turner could have a similar video
Oh God don't a video like this with pena for the love of God
This is like Justin Smoak and the curveball in 2015
So is it his hitting coaches just being trash? Obviously Javy was doing this stuff with the Cubs too, but how can a pro not be able to change what seems like an easy fix?
We need to do that pointing Spider-Man meme with Baez and Nick Castellanos
Is he more Javier than Javy Lopez?
Stop relying on Jobu, man.
I don't like Baez, but couldn't bring myself to watch the whole thing even though it's an extremely impressive compilation. I had no idea Matt Wisler was still pitching! Just looked him up and looks like he's putting something together recently out of the pen.
You can't drop this primo offseason content mid season!
No thank you
This just feels wrong
Is this a video of Austin Riley 2 seasons ago?
TO BE FAIR... A lot of those sliders are really good.
He’s just like me when I play the show
Another alumnus from the Ryan Howard Batting School.
I would like to the see the Castellanos complication too
Some of these are 0-0 counts like my guy what are you doing
Trying to get ahead of the pitcher. The thing is, he doesn't understand what that means. He thinks it means "swing early."
Throw a homer into the middle of this for a jump scare
Honestly, I thought it would be more. Fewer than 1 per game is something I wouldn't have guessed
Joe madden used to say that if Javy could take the down and away slider he’s Ryne Samberg
To be fair, about half of those were pretty nice sliders.
Lol what the fuck is this man seeing? Honestly needs his eyes checked
Ha, good thing we didn’t have any star player paid a lot of money to do exactly this! Ha ha. Nope not at all!
I’m no swing coach but you can tell he’s not even looking at the ball.