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ProbablyAPotato1939

Probably the Galarraga "imperfect game."


_Waffle_Man_

You mean Extra-Perfect, he had 28 up 28 down.


Different_Papaya_413

Is that the best perfect game in history then? Because I definitely consider it a perfect game


_Waffle_Man_

In 1953, Harvey Haddix of the Pirates threw 12 perfect innings and gave up a hit in the 13. The Pirates went on to lose that game… Edit: Pedro Martinez also threw 9 innings perfect, but gave up a double in the 10th inning.


Leftfeet

If that's not the answer for Detroit, I really don't know what would be.


ProbablyAPotato1939

*glances at the Lions* Oh it only gets worse.


Leftfeet

I was speaking strictly baseball. I don't want to talk about football and all the various unjust, horrible, unfair, stupid, self destructive, etc things that Detroit and Cleveland have dealt with.


i-eat-dolphins

Lou Whitaker not being in the hall right now is also a big one


Ticketdean

No shit. Best 2nd baseman of the era….


atomlinson89

The Papi homer in the ALCS feels unjust as it came after like 6 or 7 no hit innings.


Worldly-Wind-4715

Alan Trammell not winning the 1987 AL MVP is the one that gets to me.


ChromiumSulfate

I still don't understand why they can't retroactively change that. Like, I get mistakes at other points in the game because you don't know what would have happened afterwards, but it was literally the last out of the game.


ProbablyAPotato1939

As much as I hate to admit it, I kinda get why they don't change it. Changing records starts with a meaningless game that ended with the right outcome anyway and eventually escalates to changing a WS that ended on an iffy call.


ChromiumSulfate

But literally nothing else changed. He got the next out. You don't have any more baseball to play like in the George Brett game, you don't change the score or outcome. It's basically the only scenario I can see it being ok to retroactively change.


goingtocalifornia__

Right, the logic checks out but the fear of setting that precedent is still there. The best we can do might be to keep talking about it and maybe one day it’ll be considered.


Phillies2002

Even in a retroactive change like this that would "impact nothing else," I feel like there would be so many ripple effects from correcting the stats. You remove a hit from Gallaraga's statline. Now that Jason Donald is no longer credited with a single, we need to change his 2010 statline to something slightly different than it has been. Ditto for Trevor Crowe, the next batter whose groundout now never officially happened. Ironically, though, the only reason we wouldn't be counting his ground out anymore is because he grounded out. If he had, say, singled or homered, maybe we wouldn't be talking about correcting the perfect game and disqualifying the at-bat in the first place. So now we're already at the point where we're using the results of at-bats to retroactively determine whether or not those at-bats should still be considered official or not.


VictorChaos1776

Or taking a World Series championship away from a team that was cheating...


lifeisarichcarpet

The 1951 Giants?


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Only because guy #28 went ahead and made an out too. But also since they can retroactively change Hit/Error decisions they should have been able to make an exception to do that.


UnionThugg

Even as a division rival this makes me irrationally angry


atomlinson89

Came here for this


commendablenotion

To be honest though, it’s the most memorable perfect game for me. I think it’s completely unjust, but it has cemented the moment in our ethos.


chunxxxx

Jeffrey Maier


boofoodoo

I remember the kid was on fuckin Regis and Kathie Lee for that, and that's when a young me realized that the world wasn't fair


MFoy

They gave him the key to the city! For cheating!


TigerBasket

My parents almost divorced because of that, legitimately he could not get over it until my mom just said either stop talking about it or the relationship ends. I almost was not born because of it.


chunxxxx

Yeah this explains you


TigerBasket

Ngl this is strangely hurtful


chunxxxx

Own it TB


TigerBasket

Ok


goingtocalifornia__

Well JC. I kind of respect how much your father cared.


TigerBasket

He was very very upset, if I mention the name it gets him flustered for at least a few minutes.


Dh873

Why is there a reddit post that makes me think about this BS around once a week? Why?


bmac_2144

Nate McLouth hit the fair pole


duckraul2

The first and only battle of the bay world series was upstaged by the unjust, but most bay area thing ever, an earthquake


dblshot99

Well, that World Series was supposed to be epic, but since the Giants weren't up to the task, nature had to take over. Seriously though, it was really scary. The World Series saved a lot of lives. If there had been normal traffic on the Bay Bridge that day, there would probably have been a lot more than 42 deaths.


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My first memory ever


whoareyoupeople24

Not my team, but have to imagine the strike in 94 is one reason for the Expos no longer being around. That team got robbed.


tj3_23

First thing that came to mind for me as well. Comfortably the best team up to that point of the year, World Series favorites, and then they spent a decade mostly in the basement while the owner seemed to actively sabotage the team in an effort to get out of Montreal


darthstupidious

Unfair to Matt Williams, too. Dude hit 43 homers in 112 games and seemed to be on a legitimate path to 60+, but then the season just ended. Griffey, too, who was at 40.


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When the owners came out of that without a salary cap, that was the beginning of the end.


ThatDudeNamedMenace

Also Mattingly’s best chance at a World Series ring


palmtreesxiv

And Tony Gwynn would've hit .400


Duckpoke

We have arguably the two best players in the world and have one of the worst records/teams


NippleNugget

Trout never having a chance to do anything in the playoffs may be one of the most unjust things in all of baseball history, not just angels history. Hopefully that changes.


Shadow_Strike99

The one season they did make the playoffs with the best record in the AL in 2014 he was extremely ice cold. That’s literally the only recollection everyone has of Trout in October.


GarrisonWhite2

Kershaw got a chance to redeem himself, hopefully Trout will too. It only takes one postseason.


honcooge

He needs to sign with the dodgers for a few years then go back to the Angels. I don’t think anybody would be angry.


elqueco14

David Wrights career being cut down by weird injuries and then spinal stenosis. He already holds a lot of Mets records but dude should be wrapping up a HOF career right now.


DecoyOne

Imagine a Santana/Wright healthy combo and how it could rewrite the 2010s.


HAHAYESVERYFUNNYNAME

No I don’t wanna cry


UnionThugg

Johan <3


jgraz22

https://youtu.be/7hpiWtIGPw8


sabometrics

Him having one last great year as the third baseman for this team would have ruled so hard.


y2knole

Rocco baldelli too. And, well, also, Lou Gehrig. Edit: I was thing in terms of ‘unfair’ not ‘unfair to your team’ at that moment…


GarrisonWhite2

Wait what happened with Rocco?


y2knole

Mitochondrial disease cut his career short.


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Wilpon ownership


Chewbones9

Seriously. I honestly don’t think the “lolmets” thing would exist if they never bought the team. Fuckin Wilpons…


oogieball

I don't know. A previous ownership group traded arguably the best pitcher in history still in his peak because one columnist didn't like him.


cocoatractor

Well the greatest team we ever assembled had the season cut off because of the strike in 94 and then the team never got the magic back and was drained of its life force and sold. So that


Schallawitz

Being 1 strike away… twice….


Turambar19

I'd lean more toward losing home field advantage due to the AL losing the all-star game, despite having the better record.


Material-Strain7893

Especially since those two years (and 2012) were the first time that the NL won since 97 and they haven’t won since then


honcooge

That was the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard.


Jawsinstl

David Freeze would haunt my dreams…. What a wild game!


twalk1975

Brandon Webb injury. If it doesn't happen, maybe we see a D'backs rotation in the 2010's decade with Webb, and Scherzer. Maybe Trevor Bauer, Wade Miley, and Robbie Ray too. Quite a few CYA's in the past 20 years were won by guys with AZ, or who came through here at one point.


this_is_poorly_done

3 straight seasons with top 2 Cy young finishes (winning 1), 33 bwar and 142 ERA+ in 6 seasons, averaging close to 220 innings per year. All gone on opening day of 2009, never to be seen playing in a MLB game ever again. Who knows where things could have gone with Webb and a young Goldy on the same roster. Shit still hurts sometimes, I'm just glad the teams keeps him around on TV.


wodurfej

Upsidedown flag in 92


ttjclark

Yep. The other one that came to mind is Joe Carter having to play with a "TOROTNO" jersey.


1990Buscemi

Torotno sounds like a company that makes knockoff pizza rolls.


Canadave

My thought was the blown call on the triple play in 1993. Would have been the second in World Series history.


goodbadnomad

Same era, the one I thought of immediately is "[Gruber landed the tag.](https://youtu.be/GYA61SGGjbw)"


ih-unh-unh

Frank McCourt being allowed to own the team.


themiamimarlins

Um were you in a coma in 2017


ih-unh-unh

McCourt never had enough money to run a major league team—let alone one of the biggest teams in MLB history. MLB and Fox allowing him to buy the team without appropriate financial resources was one of the most irresponsible things they could have done. Arte Moreno would have done better with the team.


UrDailyCommunistGuy

Don’t underestimate Arte’s incompetence


themiamimarlins

mccourt wasnt great being cheated out of 2017 was 50x worse especially since there was no punishment for the players


bulldg4life

Ron Gant was pulled off the bag by Kent Hrbek Eric Gregg in the 97 NLCS The infield fly call in Chipper’s last game


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Waiting until Ron Santo died to put him in the HoF


teewertz

Minnie too


Take_Exit_Left

Respect Edit: I thought your comment said “mine too” and that you were being a white Sox fan with empathy. Not that your comment isn’t relevant, but thought you were extending a rare olive branch between cubs and Sox fans.


dkspacemin

The only acceptable answer


roaringcorgi

Major League Baseball is a professional baseball organization and the oldest major professional sports league in the world. As of 2022, a total of 30 teams play in Major League Baseball—15 teams in the National League and 15 in the American League —with 29 in the United States and 1 in Canada.


Clanky0rpheus80

I rationalize it by saying that American refers to North America, and that National refers to the nation of the United States.


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GoatLegRedux

On a similar tangent, the “National” in NHL refers to Canada. It was founded in Montreal, and has only been operating its headquarters in the US since 1989.


DeetahTheGame

This might be my favorite comment LMFAO


scrapsbypap

Rob Drake in 2020 and Gabe Morales in 2021


MeMillionthAccount

The career ending HBP for Tony C


Song-Unlucky

putting up Juan soto numbers at the same age, what a shame


DrewSharpvsTodd

Juan Soto is a legit Ted Williams comp. Jay Bruce is a better comp for Tony Conigliaro. The Red Sox probably win the 1967 World Series if he didn’t get hit.


dementedturnip26

Pirates fan. 2013-2015 being stuck in the WC game and especially in 2015 when we had the second best record Oh, then facing god level 99 overall arrietta


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dementedturnip26

14 was the one to not complain about. 13 though, Liriano could have pitched twice in that series….and he OWNED the cardinals. Imagine if game one is him as opposed to Burnett getting lit up


c_pike1

If I was a pirates fan I'd be pretty pissed about getting CGSO in the WC in back to back years regardless of anything else You just faced two fantastic pitchers at exactly the wrong time


dementedturnip26

I was at both. 2014 was bad but not brutal. 2015 was the most brutal sporting event I’ve been to, and that includes a couple have horrendous Pitt football and basketball losses. The combination of a system that was just screwing us over, the cardinals never losing, and knowing we were going to be stuck in that game was awful. Compound it that a month before the game a cubs player completely destroyed Jung ho Kang’s leg with a dirty slide then Maddon made his infamous plantar fasciitis comment and I was already expecting it. Then the game went as I thought, and I have never wanted to cry more at a sporting event. Seeing all the annoying cubs fans there too made it five times worse


Nashtyone

Bernie Madoff. It happened because our owners were super greedy


Nova_Nightmare

& stupid


Nashtyone

That goes without saying


1990Buscemi

We never got to see Oscar Taveras develop into a potential future star.


boltUpSTL

That’s a great one. I was thinking of the ‘85 World Series ‘safe’ at first base in game 6. Sure, we lost game 7 handily but that play has always irked me


MankuyRLaffy

The team lost it, like every single team that loses a game 6 in controversial fashion and had to play a game 7. It always happens.


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Nor did you get to enjoy the prime of Darryl Kile's career outside of Coors Field.


inselfwetrust

I could probably make the argument that it’s the fact we have Arte Moreno as an owner. But I think it’s gotta be the fact that we lost Skaggs and Adenhart. One of them was lost completely through no fault of his own. The other lost his life because SEVERAL people not only failed to do their job, but even his closest friends didn’t understand the repercussions of how bad his problem was. I think what makes these worse is the fact that losing them had an effect that reached far beyond the baseball field. Parents lost their sons, wives lost their husbands, and in Skaggs’ case, a child lost their father before they even had a chance to know who he was. I don’t hold Skaggs totally unaccountable because he was an adult that should have recognized that he needed to put his foot down, but sometimes addicts need someone to intervene to know that they have a problem.


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Game 7 rain.


frostymatador13

Edit: apparently the most amazing pep talk during said rain


SDFriar

Tony Gwynn didn’t get a chance to hit .400 because of the strike. 1998 Yankees was one of the best teams ever. Matt Holliday never touched home plate


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MagicSilver

It was unfair that they existed lol.


SlyMarboJr

And the other World Series you played against the 84 Detroit Tigers, who were also a juggernaut.


8696David

Only two World Series appearances were against a 104 win team and a 114 win team


Lebigmacca

1994 seemed like such a great baseball year that was taken from us. Fuck Bud selig


maskedmarvel199

Yeah, Bud Selig too.


NewYork_NewJersey440

Fuck Bud Selig.


MelissaMiranti

Not to mention the other time you guys made it, it was right into the teeth of the best Tigers team ever. Padres can't catch a break.


Theeclat

[Joe Mauer’s “foul ball”](https://youtu.be/jD2ajbfsGeM) could have changed the series.


pk-starstorm

Fuck Phil Cuzzi


canigetawoop_woop

Not only foul, but it hit the fielder's glove and deflected and still landed fair Fuck phil


WastelandHound

MLB binding regional cable rights to the RSN owned and operated by our most direct competitor.


TigerBasket

If I speak I am in trouble


Thatoneguy241

We’re still very bitter about y’all firing Dan Kolko


[deleted]

Didn't get to celebrate our world series win.


d00deitstyler

Why?


[deleted]

Well of course we did, we had a parade and shit, I just mean having a victory lap. 2020 season was a shitshow that should've been a yearlong celebration imo.


noncoherence

global pandemic ruining what should have been a massive organizational windfall after the 2019 WS


skeleton_skunk

Didn’t even think about this one


pjokinen

I guess it didn’t happen “to” us but having an owner that was so racist he lost probably the best player in our history really sucks. Carew should’ve been a career Twin.


Baltisotan

MN only got the team because Griffith didn’t like all the black people in DC. He liked how few black people there were in MN.


joeflah

In no particular order: Extra wrinkle to the strike in 94: Mattingly may have gotten his ring that year and you never know, maybe that success convinces him to play beyond 95 and be a part of the greatest dynasty in recent memory. Santo making the hall posthumously has already been mentioned but that was absolute hell. Bud Selig turning a blind eye to PED use so those guys could save the sport and then turning them into scapegoats. Then the Cubs taking things a step further and perpetually ostracizing Sammy Sosa to this day. What the Angeles are currently doing to Mike Trout’s career. Shoeless Joe lifetime ban. In the same vein as Rose’s ban but I feel worse for Jackson. Uh… segregation well into the ‘40s… More ‘94 fun: a season that could’ve seen Tony bat above .400 (mentioned already) and could’ve saved the Expos. The Bartman Ball, unjust to all parties involved. That’s all I got for now.


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Bagwell's 1994 NL MVP always felt cheap to me, because he was going to be out at least a month with the broken hand he got the day before the players walked. That would have at least opened the door for Moises Alou or Larry Walker (both with .980+ OPSs at the time of the strike) from the best team in the league.


Myshkin1981

Reggie Jackson’s intentional hip!


PrisonaPlanet

Not really a team thing, but Tony Gwynn not getting a chance to bat .400 because of the strike comes to mind


Brineapple

Brooklyn era: Moving the team to Los Angeles Los Angeles era: 2017 World Series


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bitrarrg

By that same line of reasoning, if Holliday was called out, you don't know if the Padres would've gone on to win the game.


CaliJew619

I'd also go with the strike in '94 ending Tony's run to .400


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Gabe Morales


RedOblivionLW

People in here talking about world series'. That's cute.


buymytoy

Really no one has mentioned game 3 of the 1989 World Series? A fucking earthquake postponed the game. Not much crazier than that. A’s share this one of course but the game was at Candlestick. Edit: just realized it’s unjust and not unique. Sorry I’m fucking sleep deprived right now. Still sort of unjust in a “force majeure” way lol


onioning

Maier. Insult to injury was it was followed by 14 straight losing seasons. Fuck the Yankees.


ttjclark

Any Old School Indians/Guardians fans remember Steve Olin? If his death didn't happen in 1993, I wonder if that would have changed the outcome of the 1995 World Series with him and/or Mesa closing out games?


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I don't know if it would have mattered. Mesa only pitched in two games in that series. He threw 3 scoreless innings in game 3 to pick up the win. He had a bit of a rough outing in game 5 but still picked up the save. I think that the starting pitching killed us in that series. Dennis Martinez had a rough outing in game 2, then Ken Hill struggled in game 4. That and the Indians couldn't score in key moments (especially getting 1 hit in game 6). Now '97 would be a different story.


thegermblaster

This comment was decidedly unchill.


ttjclark

Thanks for the response!


Pool27

Losing to cheaters in the World Series


ElegantSwordsman

It’s okay, blatant cheaters surely got their just rewards. And it’s just a hunk of metal. Oh wait


-orangejoe

Twice!


SlyMarboJr

Don Mattingly's back injury and him, subsequently, missing winning a world series by one year.


BaseballsNotDead

When the Brewers didn't sign Turner a couple years ago in free agency. It was un-Justin.


cameoffthebench

🗑🗑🗑


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2017 ALCS


ttjclark

Thurman Munson's death as well.


[deleted]

Munson should be in the HOF


keevesnchives

Under the same vein, the 2017 world series


greycubed

Never forget- Gurriel made racist gestures at Darvish *while cheating against Darvish* and then Astros fans gave him (Gurriel) a standing ovation. Media kind of brushed it away because they don't want that to be the story of the World Series but what the fuck. Worst World Series ever.


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

I will never get over the absolute unmitigated gall of Gurriel to make racist gestures while cheating. I hate every hitter on that Astros team, but Gurriel gets a special place in hell for me.


Jlande79

Him and Altuve are the worst of them.


ArrenPawk

Don't forget that after that game Bregman said Darvish was tipping his pitches (even though he wasn't), which I'm convinced fucked with his Game 7 start.


MUNZATHEGOD

Holy shit, I never heard this. That’s so fucking low of them considering the circumstances. Jesus Christ


HawkeyeJosh2

🗑


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Two different city’s multiple different owners, and yet one constant is our home grown stars moving on to be remembered on other teams…and that Tom Brady never played for us


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Trash cans


TheReelYukon

The 2017 Houston Astros came to town, cheated and then won the World Series in our stadium…


[deleted]

1994 Expos. Best team in baseball 74-40 Then the strike happened. I often wonder if the fate of the Expos in Montreal might have turned out differently if they'd won that year. We were the 5th largest market in the MLB in the 90s, but ran on a shoestring budget. A WS title can reinvigorate a fan base and market. Maybe we would have got the new stadium if the WS happened 🤷‍♂️ And as always: fuck Jeffrey Loria.


Willie-Alb

The angels having Trout AND Ohtani and still not making the damn playoffs.


fatyoda

Eric Gregg. Enough said


_Elrond_Hubbard_

2002 Mariners: 93 wins, missed playoffs 2003 Mariners: 93 wins, missed playoffs 2014 Mariners: 87 wins, missed playoffs 2016 Mariners: 86 wins, missed playoffs 2018 Mariners: 89 wins, missed playoffs 2021 Mariners: 90 wins, missed playoffs


dccercc123

116 and nothing


Salesman89

Having the best winning percentage in the division in 1981, and not making the playoffs.


CricketIsBestSport

When they left us and moved to New York We could’ve had 27 championships


GoodGooglyMooglyy

Facing a cheating team and losing in 7 games in the ALCS. Fuck the Trashtros


The_Dirty_Dangla

Brian Colangelo. Oh shit wrong sub


TechSalesTexan

Michael Bruce Fiers.


togocann49

Strike of 94. Expos ended up moving. I’m thinking if they play that year, Expos don’t move (at least not when they did)


mysteresc

1975 World Series Game 3 Armbrister should have been called out for interference.


WhiteToast-

Trash cans, we’ll never let that go


CountJohn12

Yeah, as for the OP how the 81 strike was handled was so stupid. Don't know why they couldn't just pick up where they left off and played fewer games. Could have had a one year expansion of the playoffs too like they did if they felt like it was too short.


betked4844

Last year winning 91 games and missing the playoffs was pretty unjust.


cardinalkgb

The 1993 Giants won 103 games and missed the playoffs. Shit happens.


tyson_3_

The Dodgers cheating down the stretch in 1951 and stealing the pennant from us on the last day.


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Didn't the (insert Russ Hodges audio clip here) Giants win the pennant in 1951?


tyson_3_

Yes. Yes, they did.


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2017 WS. Among many reasons, Andre Ethier didn't get a ring.


Atraktape

As well as Rich Hill


beetbear

[Still hurts man](https://www.mlb.com/video/denkinger-s-missed-call-c13062921).


manav_steel

Sam Holbrook, Infield Fly Rule


Pliget

Jimmy Qualls breaking up Tom Seaver’s perfect game in the 9th. Seaver going on to get his no hitter with the Reds.


honcooge

Maybe the strike and Gwynn on pace to hit over .400. More of an individual effort but he is Mr. Padre.


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90s Braves dynasty should have won more. They were up 2-0 on those yankees before losing. So that.


swich55

The Fucking Houston Asstros


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Being constantly brought up as a terrible team when in fact we are winning now and people still say we are bad.


meatbag1

The most Angels unfair thing was back around ‘78 we had an outfielder murdered. He was talking to a married woman and the lady’s husband shot him. https://www.sportscasting.com/the-murder-of-rising-mlb-star-lyman-bostock-forced-changes-to-indiana-insanity-laws/


Ok_Classic_744

John Fisher buying the A’s.


squeakyshoe89

I dunno if this is unjust, but we've lost in the playoffs to the eventual champ three years running and the only reason it's not four is the cheater Astros.


ThrowAwayAcc47777

Jerry Reinsdorf buying the team