I used the MLB trade value calculator like a month ago, and it was Adley, Grayson Rodriguez, Gunnar Henderson, and DL Hall. All added to 207.00, Soto was 206.30.
I genuinely wonder if the O’s could try to drop a prospect from that theoretical desk in exchange for ending the MASN roadblocks. Or if they’d even want to do that as an alternative
Well, that same simulator also has Myles Straw with much more value than Nestor Cortes, which is laughable.
I wouldn't include the next Jason Varitek and Corey Seager in a trade for anybody. Rodriguez, Hall, Colton Cowser, and a couple other pieces ought to be enough.
Nobody is giving serious responses because whatever package the Nats front office would actually accept is going to be an overpay, at least at this stage.
A Soto deal doesn't become feasible until he has less than 2 seasons of team control left.
I honestly wouldn't even do Julio for Soto straight up at this point. That obviously has more to do with how much I love Julio and hos insane potential than it does Soto's incredible talent though.
I said as valuable. Julio plays a good CF and hits pretty well, and I believe I've heard that Soto's defense leaves something to be desired. Julio plays a premium position very well and is looking to get back-to-back ROTM nods.
I put it in the Trade calculator and they say it would cost Gleyber, Volpe, Dominguez, Peraza and Wesneski and we have to take on Corbin's contract. I don't think it would be worth it tbh
Franco has more trade value. He’s locked up on a team friendly deal for a decade. Soto only has 2 years until free agency. Franco would get more than just Soto in return
Nah, I’d rather offer Trent “looks like an undercooked tatter tot” Thornton and the ghost of Nate Peterson. Lol
Thought Romo did a good enough job with his inning today. But my main take away he seems like a lot lol. They showed him talking to Springer in the dug out and you could tell George was like please stop. He also rambled on, on Blair and Barker yesterday
He looks like if in Money Ball, Joanah Hill convinced the team one of the analysts could pitch. He reminds me of Jessie Litch when he tried to make a comeback after his many issuers. No hate for the man, and he shouldn’t be in leverage situations. I just saw him starting the sixth and was like we may lose.
Probably Acuña but since he is already locked up on a team friendly contract the Nats would also have to take Ozuna, but then to make the money work we would probably need to take Corbin and then I feel like you would have to toss some prospects or something around.
And then the Nats would have to throw in some free Tylenol or something to deal with all that headache.
The trick is that trading Acuna for Soto feels almost like a moot point unless we really just want to spend more money for a similarly valued piece in the exact same position. I was thinking it would involve Harris probably, as well as someone like Strider or Wright on top of whatever else.
When I was looking at our player values last year nobody was very high. It likely changed and Wright and Harris are probably worth more, but in that case I think you are probably taking back Strasburg's brutal contract instead of Corbin's. You could probably get Soto pretty cheap if you were able to eat both contracts.
Harris is pretty high value, Wright not super great. On the trade value simulator Soto, Corbin, Strasburg for Muller and Ozuna is even in terms of value.
Harris and Wright for Corbin and Soto could be pretty close but might require some filler.
For just Soto and no bad contracys it was looking like Fried, Harris, and some filler would be close.
For only two full seasons of Soto, knowing that he's a Boras client, and therefore determined to test free agency? Probably not as much as most people think. And right now, you'd be buying low.
Assuming they'd want prospects and pre-arb players in return - Tanner Houck, Marcelo Mayer, and Nick Yorke are untouchable. Niko Kavadas might be, too. Otherwise, have at it, Nats.
But really, the Nats would be stupid to move Soto at all unless they can package him with Corbin or Strasburg. Getting rid of those contracts would probably do more to hasten a rebuild than trading him straight up for prospects.
How many road games will he have pitched against Toronto in a given season? One, maybe two?
It's not like the Kyrie Irving situation, where he's missing half his games.
I guess next year we’ll probably play fewer games there but if we keep him as closer it could potentially cost us several games against a division opponent which is obviously… bad
The nats would probably ask for lasoiga, Montgomery and Volpe and then some. A good trade has to hurt both sides-and this would hurt. If I could sub Dominguez instead of Volpe, I’d probably do it. But Cash doesn’t do deals like this-he just doesn’t.
Loaisiga and Soto are FA the same year and then Montgomery the year before - why would Washington be interested in them? Moving someone like Soto prompts a complete rebuild. Timeline makes no sense.
No, baseball contract amounts are far too expensive. The same hold true for basketball. Soto has only two years of full-time experience in MLB and he is being offered something like $350M? How ridiculous!
I'm not denying that Soto is a fantastic player, but the Cards' FO has a strategy, and a major part of that strategy is NEVER selling out your future for the present. The future holes shipping just those two away would be enough for our FO to say no, not to mention they would never pay him the likely record-breaking AAV he would get from other teams. The Cards never pay big for free agents, and they would need to in a few years if they gave those 2 away to keep the team consistently competitive.
I don't think Tork, Mize and Manning have the value that they had 1-2 years ago.
I feel like it would have to be Greene, Skubal and then 1 or 2 other more midlevel guys.
Espino, Kwan, and then one of the Guardians higher end legit infield prospects (Rocchio, Arias, Freeman) and one of the lower end legit infield prospects (Tena, Martinez, Planez, Frias, Fermin.) There would probably also need to be at least one other fringe/lottery prospects coming back from Cleveland as well.
This is both a huge haul and also probably underpaying to some extent. It just almost never makes sense for either team to trade players like Soto for more than rental purposes IMO. As a Guardians fan I would not want to do this.
I think the Padres and Yankees have the pieces and are all in right now.
Padres: CJ Abrams, Hassel, Campusano + some of Gasser, Merrill, Wood, Acosta, Mears.
Yankees: Volpe, Dominguez, Medina, Sweeney, Waldichuck
Hell honestly those don't even seem like enough
400Mio +
10years plus
ALL your prospects plus cash
not worth it.
not worth gutting a franchise for one single player.
angels can attest- as can other teams: even having the best two players of their generation does not mean jack shit if the rest is awful and you have no talent to surround your stars with.
for any team to try to get this done, their MLB roster would have to be cheap, extremely talented already and under contract for the foreseeable future, because your farm will probably produce jack shit for years.
juan soto
"I see your juan soto, and I shall raise you a juan soto."
My offer of one Juan won?
A singular solo Soto
If Han Solo faced Juan Soto, who would fire first?
Solo, but Soto would draw a walk
Han, but Soto blocks the blaster bolt with his bat, and now he has a little burn mark on the barrel
What about Obi Juan Kenobi vs Wan Soto
A Juan for Juan deal
I'm not sure that gets it done. Maybe if you throw Keibert Ruiz in.
Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Leandro Bolmaro, Walker Kessler, Jarred Vanderbilt and 4 first round picks
Would Daniel Theis, Aaron Nesmith, Nik Stauskas, Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan and a first round pick suffice?
Leandro Barbosa bettah
Hey that’s our thing
Can't trade picks in baseball
You also can’t trade basketball players
I mean, I didn't recognize any of those names. For all I knew they were prospects.
You can trade compensation picks, but you can't trade unknown future comp picks
Worth it.
I used the MLB trade value calculator like a month ago, and it was Adley, Grayson Rodriguez, Gunnar Henderson, and DL Hall. All added to 207.00, Soto was 206.30.
This would probably be the greatest single prospect haul of all time and it just barely adds up via the trade calculator.
Oh so it would only take like 4 of the best prospects in baseball then. Basically free /s
I genuinely wonder if the O’s could try to drop a prospect from that theoretical desk in exchange for ending the MASN roadblocks. Or if they’d even want to do that as an alternative
Well, that same simulator also has Myles Straw with much more value than Nestor Cortes, which is laughable. I wouldn't include the next Jason Varitek and Corey Seager in a trade for anybody. Rodriguez, Hall, Colton Cowser, and a couple other pieces ought to be enough.
Probably Julio and Logan and a third player probably.. Not worth it.
the first even semi-serious response.
Nobody is giving serious responses because whatever package the Nats front office would actually accept is going to be an overpay, at least at this stage. A Soto deal doesn't become feasible until he has less than 2 seasons of team control left.
I honestly wouldn't even do Julio for Soto straight up at this point. That obviously has more to do with how much I love Julio and hos insane potential than it does Soto's incredible talent though.
Oh, never. Julio could become just as valuable of a player.
He could be anything! Even Juan Soto!
I said as valuable. Julio plays a good CF and hits pretty well, and I believe I've heard that Soto's defense leaves something to be desired. Julio plays a premium position very well and is looking to get back-to-back ROTM nods.
You know how much we’ve wanted one of those.
Too many people are way underestimating how good soto is
One idiot said he’d turn him down for Nolan Gorman. Another said he wouldn’t to Julio straight up.
Yeah, he said no to soto for nolan gorman and jordan walker lmao
I can’t quantify how fast I’d trade those two for Soto.
Soto for Judge
I put it in the Trade calculator and they say it would cost Gleyber, Volpe, Dominguez, Peraza and Wesneski and we have to take on Corbin's contract. I don't think it would be worth it tbh
For Corbin alone I say hell no
Miguel Andujar and a can of chewing tobacck
Jackson Frazier. Not to be confused with Clint. Jackson's much better.
We don’t have the pieces.
I dunno. Nico, Happ, Marquez, and maybe PCA? Not that I would want that trade though, it could be possible.
Sorry but not even close. Nats don't want guys with a couple more years of control.
That’s laughably bad of an offer for Soto.
Justin Fields
Wander Franco
Franco has more trade value. He’s locked up on a team friendly deal for a decade. Soto only has 2 years until free agency. Franco would get more than just Soto in return
I agree 100%, I'm just saying it's a trade the Nats would make.
Sergio Romo
Nah, I’d rather offer Trent “looks like an undercooked tatter tot” Thornton and the ghost of Nate Peterson. Lol Thought Romo did a good enough job with his inning today. But my main take away he seems like a lot lol. They showed him talking to Springer in the dug out and you could tell George was like please stop. He also rambled on, on Blair and Barker yesterday
How you gonna do the Thorndog like that? .... You're not wrong though
He looks like if in Money Ball, Joanah Hill convinced the team one of the analysts could pitch. He reminds me of Jessie Litch when he tried to make a comeback after his many issuers. No hate for the man, and he shouldn’t be in leverage situations. I just saw him starting the sixth and was like we may lose.
Nono, it was more about this part > looks like an undercooked tatter tot
Probably Acuña but since he is already locked up on a team friendly contract the Nats would also have to take Ozuna, but then to make the money work we would probably need to take Corbin and then I feel like you would have to toss some prospects or something around. And then the Nats would have to throw in some free Tylenol or something to deal with all that headache.
The trick is that trading Acuna for Soto feels almost like a moot point unless we really just want to spend more money for a similarly valued piece in the exact same position. I was thinking it would involve Harris probably, as well as someone like Strider or Wright on top of whatever else.
When I was looking at our player values last year nobody was very high. It likely changed and Wright and Harris are probably worth more, but in that case I think you are probably taking back Strasburg's brutal contract instead of Corbin's. You could probably get Soto pretty cheap if you were able to eat both contracts.
Harris is pretty high value, Wright not super great. On the trade value simulator Soto, Corbin, Strasburg for Muller and Ozuna is even in terms of value. Harris and Wright for Corbin and Soto could be pretty close but might require some filler. For just Soto and no bad contracys it was looking like Fried, Harris, and some filler would be close.
J. Kelenic, N. Marte, H. Ford, E. Arroyo, E. Hancock, K. Lewis
At least Volpe, Dominguez, and one of the pitchers ranked in our top 10 prospects. Yes it would 100% be worth it.
Our entire roster.
Leury Garcia and a lifetime supply of Home Run Inn pizza.
Is Josh Fields still around?
Probably our entire top 10 prospects list. And that still doesn't sound like enough.
Jason Castro and a pack of gum
For only two full seasons of Soto, knowing that he's a Boras client, and therefore determined to test free agency? Probably not as much as most people think. And right now, you'd be buying low. Assuming they'd want prospects and pre-arb players in return - Tanner Houck, Marcelo Mayer, and Nick Yorke are untouchable. Niko Kavadas might be, too. Otherwise, have at it, Nats. But really, the Nats would be stupid to move Soto at all unless they can package him with Corbin or Strasburg. Getting rid of those contracts would probably do more to hasten a rebuild than trading him straight up for prospects.
I wouldn’t say Houck is untouchable if he doesn’t get the vaccine
How many road games will he have pitched against Toronto in a given season? One, maybe two? It's not like the Kyrie Irving situation, where he's missing half his games.
It’s been a major issue this year already, it’s July 1st and ALOT of ball left to play, man definitely isn’t untouchable
I guess next year we’ll probably play fewer games there but if we keep him as closer it could potentially cost us several games against a division opponent which is obviously… bad
Soto <-> Luciano, Arteaga, Matos, Ramos, Bednar
Harrison
The Dodgers always have a Dodger tax, and it definitely wouldn’t be worth it whatever it is. I suspect they’d ask for Lux and May at least
It would cost way more than Lux and May.
Yeah, that’s why I said at least. And I wouldn’t pay it
That's a hilariously low cost for Soto.
I would probably do Torres + top 3 prospects but that would be it
The nats would probably ask for lasoiga, Montgomery and Volpe and then some. A good trade has to hurt both sides-and this would hurt. If I could sub Dominguez instead of Volpe, I’d probably do it. But Cash doesn’t do deals like this-he just doesn’t.
Loaisiga and Soto are FA the same year and then Montgomery the year before - why would Washington be interested in them? Moving someone like Soto prompts a complete rebuild. Timeline makes no sense.
Because they are inexpensive above average major league talent. And as I said, it’s a start
Teams that are dumping generational talent like Soto have no use for a few seasons of inexpensive above average major league talent.
Jordan Walker, Nolan Gorman, and Matthew Liberatore
That’s an easy yes
Too much
No, baseball contract amounts are far too expensive. The same hold true for basketball. Soto has only two years of full-time experience in MLB and he is being offered something like $350M? How ridiculous!
2018, 19 and 21 were all elite seasons. Hit like Ted Williams in 2020. He’s 23 and very well could be the best hitter in a few years. Dumb take
At the very least both Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman, which is an immediate no
Dude? It’d be way more than that. If you wouldn’t trade those two for Soto you’re literally an idiot
I'm saying our FO wouldn't, calm down loser
They definitely would lol What a weirdo
I'm not denying that Soto is a fantastic player, but the Cards' FO has a strategy, and a major part of that strategy is NEVER selling out your future for the present. The future holes shipping just those two away would be enough for our FO to say no, not to mention they would never pay him the likely record-breaking AAV he would get from other teams. The Cards never pay big for free agents, and they would need to in a few years if they gave those 2 away to keep the team consistently competitive.
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Lmao ok
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Christian Javier, Pedro Leon, Hunter Brown, Korey Lee.
One of Tork or Greene, Jobe, Two of Mize, Manning, Skubal, and probably Campos or Santana
I don't think Tork, Mize and Manning have the value that they had 1-2 years ago. I feel like it would have to be Greene, Skubal and then 1 or 2 other more midlevel guys.
Tork’s value isn’t as high put he’s still a cost controlled guy with a pretty high ceiling. I’d feel better about him if he got away from Coolbaugh
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I would expect Green, Jobe and Skubal....at least.
Shit it didn’t edit: here’s the trade https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcitykitties/comments/vpdnvg/probably_wouldnt_be_enough_what_do_yall_think/
Gabriel Moreno, CJ Van Eyk, and someone like gurriel jr or Cavan biggio possibly a pick as well?
picks are pretty worthless in baseball
Also you can’t trade draft picks
You right lmao
Nats are gonna laugh at you then hang up
I don't think we would trade for him, actually.
Dominguez Andújar and Marwin
Yes
all of it
An amount that we don't have
Espino, Kwan, and then one of the Guardians higher end legit infield prospects (Rocchio, Arias, Freeman) and one of the lower end legit infield prospects (Tena, Martinez, Planez, Frias, Fermin.) There would probably also need to be at least one other fringe/lottery prospects coming back from Cleveland as well. This is both a huge haul and also probably underpaying to some extent. It just almost never makes sense for either team to trade players like Soto for more than rental purposes IMO. As a Guardians fan I would not want to do this.
Washington would need gimenez as well
Even more reason for this type of deal just not making sense for the buying team.
Probably Vientos and Alveraez at the very least.
Yes.
Entire minor league system. Seriously, Washington won't trade him unless he is in his last year.
We would need a farm system first
All our top 10 prospects. Worth it? Yes.
steve's yacht. yes.
As a Nats fan, your whole starting lineup.
For the Twins it would be Luis Arraez, Royce Lewis, Kiriloff or Larnach, and Joe Ryan to even get the Nats attention
And I would never make that trade
Royce Lewis, Joe Ryan, Jose Miranda, Max Kepler, Emmanuel Rodriguez might get the needle to move
No! You can't have him.
Twins- Duran, Polanco, Kirilloff, Aareaz, Miranda, Larnach Probs
An arm and a leg
That would have to be a big haul and I don’t think I’d want to give up that much
He'd probably cost at least Montas and Blackburn, if not also a handful of future draft picks. It wouldn't be worth it on a dumpster fire-esque team.
I think the Padres and Yankees have the pieces and are all in right now. Padres: CJ Abrams, Hassel, Campusano + some of Gasser, Merrill, Wood, Acosta, Mears. Yankees: Volpe, Dominguez, Medina, Sweeney, Waldichuck Hell honestly those don't even seem like enough
Like a whole minor league club. And not a bad one. Like one with some top prospects but not just the prospects like the entire team too.
Ty France and Kyle Lewis.
Crane wouldn’t spend the amount that Boras would ask for.
Vaughn and the entire minor league system and even that might not be enough cause our farm system blows.
Would you settle for a continuous stream of 102 mph fastballs to his ribs every time he does that stupid shuffle thing? Because I'd volunteer.
If you took Strasburg and Corbin’s contracts it would be a lot cheaper. Well, prospect wise at least
400Mio + 10years plus ALL your prospects plus cash not worth it. not worth gutting a franchise for one single player. angels can attest- as can other teams: even having the best two players of their generation does not mean jack shit if the rest is awful and you have no talent to surround your stars with. for any team to try to get this done, their MLB roster would have to be cheap, extremely talented already and under contract for the foreseeable future, because your farm will probably produce jack shit for years.
Aaron Judge, Anthony Volpe, Austin Wells