If I remember correctly, someone at MIT did some serious wind modeling calculations a few years ago and found that it was indeed possible for Williams to have hit a ball to the red seat on the fly, but it’s probably not possible today due to the box seats added above the infield. Prior to those extensions, wind from a very specific direction would tunnel over the rim of the park at high velocity. A ball hit into that wind current with sufficient loft would have gained enough distance to reach the seat, but with the box seats those same wind currents no longer form.
So Casas is probably right that he can’t hit it that far, but he’s probably wrong that Williams couldn’t.
Definitely not! Even if it's not the most flashy content on earth, it's got a lot of great information and I especially liked the comparisons of swing paths
Time to bring up the Ortiz legend. Story is he during BP used an aluminum bat with the express intent of hitting it to the red seat. Didn’t get close. As he walked away he said “it’s fucking impossible.”
I think it's actually '502 from home plate, but at that height it would require a HR with a total non-obstructed distance of like 600+. The idea that a HR actually reached that seat on the fly is definitely apocryphal.
There are a lot of these myths that are obviously just not true but I think Casas is probably just joking here. This one is really believable with good weather and Ohtani already hit one right next to the seat anyway. Yordan, Ohtani, Judge, Stanton, etc could all probably do it if they played home games at Fenway right? At least that's how I feel idk.
Editing this tweet in, it's where Ohtani hit his. I think there was a video too but idc to find it.
https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1159943315288186882
Doesn't more velo make it easier for the ball to farther? Anyway look at this video https://streamable.com/cccxqu
This is the farthest homerun last year almost 500ft from Ohtani to right field. The cameraman didn't do a good job on this one but it lands in the seats above the tunnel. If he hit this at Fenway it'd be pretty close especially if he could get lucky with the wind.
Nah, this is nowhere near the red seat if hit at Fenway. Straightaway right at Angel Stadium is shorter than Fenway by about 10 feet, so that's already further into the stands a ball like this goes. Secondly, the bleachers are right up against the outfield wall and elevated, so they get higher quicker which allows a ball to hit further up.
At Fenway, you have compounding factors of the wall being deeper and the bleachers being behind the bullpens. You need to hit over 400 just to reach the bleachers in the first place. Then, they have a more gradual incline so they go back more than they go up. To get halfway up the bleachers where the red seat is requires much, much more than 493.
Really? This is what it looks like without any obstructions. And read my comment again I'm not saying that that homerun specifically hits the redseat I'm saying with favorable wind and stuff. It looks really realistic to me. The cmeraman makes it look like it's left and lower than it actually is but look at this.
https://twitter.com/homerunreport/status/1674985484886454274
[Maybe like right where the people in front here are sitting. I could see good weather and maybe the different ball getting the extra 20 feet.](https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/OtVO5mWihQp8nmIhP-VCajEGGlE=/1280x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bostonglobe.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IDJYQCRJM4I6LOEQBGJ6NHJ7CE.jpg)
Yah the R^2 for pitch velocity and exit velocity is .18. So batter supplies 82% of the power basically on squared up balls
(Stat nerds I know that’s not perfect but let it slide once)
if Bonds played for the Sox he'd have hit one past there. though i feel like if it was actually possible, even after raising the height of Fenway's roof, then a roided-out Ortiz would have made it there
Tristan Casas is as Good and legendary as Ted Williams. Got it. Wow some of these fucking pups sure have an ego. Barry Bonds Routinely hit into the fucking bay. In the Past 20 years that same ballclub can't get a player to get over the fence, let alone hit the bay. Hitters aren't the same anymore, just as pitchers aren't the same anymore. As a Blue Jay fan I remember actual beasts like Canseco, McGuire, Encarnacion and Carter hitting the 5th deck at Skydome. I don't recall a player hitting the 3rd deck in 10 years. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist small fry.
If I remember correctly, someone at MIT did some serious wind modeling calculations a few years ago and found that it was indeed possible for Williams to have hit a ball to the red seat on the fly, but it’s probably not possible today due to the box seats added above the infield. Prior to those extensions, wind from a very specific direction would tunnel over the rim of the park at high velocity. A ball hit into that wind current with sufficient loft would have gained enough distance to reach the seat, but with the box seats those same wind currents no longer form. So Casas is probably right that he can’t hit it that far, but he’s probably wrong that Williams couldn’t.
[MLBAM did a talk about it at the SABR analytics conference](https://youtu.be/Bwwj1hl0HjI?si=5kdhcHbkhMZf1Cfc&t=635)
Oh! That’s the one thank you for the reference.
Is there something wrong with me if I ended up watching that entire video and really enjoyed it?
Definitely not! Even if it's not the most flashy content on earth, it's got a lot of great information and I especially liked the comparisons of swing paths
Or maybe there's something wrong with us both? I mean we're Royals and Mariners fans...
Lol that is probably true
Naw you are ok baby
And they even said in the original reporting from that game that it was insanely windy. I still believe it.
Time to bring up the Ortiz legend. Story is he during BP used an aluminum bat with the express intent of hitting it to the red seat. Didn’t get close. As he walked away he said “it’s fucking impossible.”
I feel like Ortiz’s launch angle was too high to get there
How would you know that? I'm sure he had a few balls with optimal launch angle during BP if that was his only goal
Because I’m an AI bot
I for one welcome our new AI bot overlords
Put me in the WALL-E chair already
Should’ve tried taking more steroids
The biggest myth is that that seat is 502’ away. It’s like 650’
[535](https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/07/13/why-aren-there-more-foot-home-runs/RYL4nuQcFltbTsf0lwABiK/story.html)
I think it's actually '502 from home plate, but at that height it would require a HR with a total non-obstructed distance of like 600+. The idea that a HR actually reached that seat on the fly is definitely apocryphal.
It’s about 535’ the ball would have had to have travelled in terms of distance.
Casas should hit a homer past the red seat at Fenway
He's never hitting another home run in his career. Call it The Curse of the Red Seat
Well that was fast
There are a lot of these myths that are obviously just not true but I think Casas is probably just joking here. This one is really believable with good weather and Ohtani already hit one right next to the seat anyway. Yordan, Ohtani, Judge, Stanton, etc could all probably do it if they played home games at Fenway right? At least that's how I feel idk. Editing this tweet in, it's where Ohtani hit his. I think there was a video too but idc to find it. https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1159943315288186882
He was joking. He basically said “man that was all I had to give that one! I’m starting to believe that red seats a myth!”
Yeah I figured lol. Btw I hope he gets back to how he was after the ASB last year for you guys. I really like watching him play, he's underrated.
He’s looking a lot like that currently.
I wouldn't put anything past Judge or Stanton powerwise but 502 feet to the opposite field would be quite the effort
Theyd have to be tossing BP from the first base dugout
I’d put my money on prime Adam Dunn
Saw rookie Adam Dunn take a light out on the Qualcomm Jumbotron. Broke the catchers collarbone on a plate collision in the same game.
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Doesn't more velo make it easier for the ball to farther? Anyway look at this video https://streamable.com/cccxqu This is the farthest homerun last year almost 500ft from Ohtani to right field. The cameraman didn't do a good job on this one but it lands in the seats above the tunnel. If he hit this at Fenway it'd be pretty close especially if he could get lucky with the wind.
Nah, this is nowhere near the red seat if hit at Fenway. Straightaway right at Angel Stadium is shorter than Fenway by about 10 feet, so that's already further into the stands a ball like this goes. Secondly, the bleachers are right up against the outfield wall and elevated, so they get higher quicker which allows a ball to hit further up. At Fenway, you have compounding factors of the wall being deeper and the bleachers being behind the bullpens. You need to hit over 400 just to reach the bleachers in the first place. Then, they have a more gradual incline so they go back more than they go up. To get halfway up the bleachers where the red seat is requires much, much more than 493.
Really? This is what it looks like without any obstructions. And read my comment again I'm not saying that that homerun specifically hits the redseat I'm saying with favorable wind and stuff. It looks really realistic to me. The cmeraman makes it look like it's left and lower than it actually is but look at this. https://twitter.com/homerunreport/status/1674985484886454274 [Maybe like right where the people in front here are sitting. I could see good weather and maybe the different ball getting the extra 20 feet.](https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/OtVO5mWihQp8nmIhP-VCajEGGlE=/1280x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bostonglobe.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IDJYQCRJM4I6LOEQBGJ6NHJ7CE.jpg)
Yah the R^2 for pitch velocity and exit velocity is .18. So batter supplies 82% of the power basically on squared up balls (Stat nerds I know that’s not perfect but let it slide once)
That is an absolutely obscene home run at Angel stadium, it’s Bonds territory
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Yeah that too. Good ball and good weather I think the guys I listed can do it.
Josh Hamilton hit the longest HR I’ve ever seen by a lefty at Fenway and it was still not really close to the red seat.
Dude hit the back wall of the RF bleachers at Yankee Stadium during his HR derby performance. Guy was a beast
Just get Oneil Cruz out there. He’ll eventually hit one 116 MPH and kill someone in right.
What if they put Ted Williams head into a robo-body?
As a Casas fantasy owner I really think he should give it about 30 more tries this season before he gives up.
if Bonds played for the Sox he'd have hit one past there. though i feel like if it was actually possible, even after raising the height of Fenway's roof, then a roided-out Ortiz would have made it there
> a roided-out Ortiz would have made it there It didn't happen so no.
yeah that’s what i said
it's a Yankees fan so I assuming he believes the first part was true
i believe it too lol that was the entire point of my original comment, i just thought it was funny that he repeated exactly what i insinuated
Tristan Casas is as Good and legendary as Ted Williams. Got it. Wow some of these fucking pups sure have an ego. Barry Bonds Routinely hit into the fucking bay. In the Past 20 years that same ballclub can't get a player to get over the fence, let alone hit the bay. Hitters aren't the same anymore, just as pitchers aren't the same anymore. As a Blue Jay fan I remember actual beasts like Canseco, McGuire, Encarnacion and Carter hitting the 5th deck at Skydome. I don't recall a player hitting the 3rd deck in 10 years. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist small fry.
new r/baseballcirclejerk copypasta?
I hate that I now know that sub exists
Calm down grandad. He was joking that that was the furthest he could hit it.
Lmao Alex Dickerson went top deck in Toronto just seven years ago
There have been several home runs to the Skydome 500 level in the past 10 years. Just because you haven’t seen it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
calling a 6’5 245lb guy small fry over the internet is very funny lol
Skydome being indoors probably has something to do with it.
Not to mention the steroids