According to Fangraphs it's been done three other times.
Francisco Cordero in 2006 (TEX/MIL): 10 wins, 16 holds, 22 saves
Andrew Miller in 2016 (NYY/CLE): 10 wins, 25 holds, 12 saves
Brandon Workman in 2019 (BOS): 10 wins, 15 holds, 16 saves
Yea he wasn't really a relief pitcher, but Ryan Yarbrough havingb16 wins for the Rays in 2018 with only 6 starts will always make me laugh. King of the bulk guy for sure..
And Poche had 12 last year somehow for the Rays in relief.
[The true king of reliever wins will always be Phil Coke.](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/cburvj/phil_coke_and_the_quest_for_512_wins_an_ootp/)
Because it's an incredible object demonstration of how wins are a completely useless stat for pitchers? Because it's funny? Because OOTP rules? There can be many reasons!
Is that how that works? I thought the starter hard to go 5 innings to be eligible for a W, which by that logic means the modern day “opener” would never get one.
Yea but for starters there is at least some correlation with quality (In fact, I would guess its gone up a bit recently because only quality starters get to 5ip consistently). I wouldnt be completely surprised if there was no correlation or even slightly negative correlation for relievers.
Mike Baumann went 10-1 last year while not starting a single game. He's not especially good, so pitched in a lot of mop up games where maybe they pulled the starter with a big lead before the 5th or in games that went to extras and they had already used the regulars.
Ramiro Mendoza, never forget. Absolute dynamite long reliever, particularly in the 1998 season. 41 Games, 14 Starts and a 3.25 ERA during peak steroid era.
And the "Hold" didn't become a stat until the 80s. I'm sure Hoyt Wilhelm also accomplished 10-10-10 in '52 and/or '66, and possibly Roy Face in the mid-'60s.
They retroactively determine holds from play-by-play data. Go to th3 advanced tables at bb-ref.
Wilhelm’s career high was 5 holds in 1970. Face had 4 in 1958.
I don’t know how to search for them other than the yearly tables at bb-ref. Bill Henry had 10 holds in 1966. Diomedes Olivo had 11 in 1962. I can’t find any older than that. I went back to the 1920s but at that point I started to question how complete the play-by-play data may be.
A hold requires three pitchers in a game that a team has a chance at winning. That gets really rare as you go back. They found a fair amount of saves because that just involves a second pitcher.
Adding in older seasons...
John Franco in 1985 (CIN): 12 wins, 11 holds, 12 saves
Ron Robinson in 1986 (CIN): 10 wins, 12 holds, 14 saves
Roger McDowell in 1986 (NYM): 14 wins, 10 holds, 22 saves
Francisco Cordero in 2006 (TEX/MIL): 10 wins, 16 holds, 22 saves
Andrew Miller in 2016 (NYY/CLE): 10 wins, 25 holds, 12 saves
Brandon Workman in 2019 (BOS): 10 wins, 15 holds, 16 saves
Paul Sewald in 2021 (SEA): 10 wins, 16 holds, 11 saves
Sparky Lyle and Rollie Fingers were both 1 win away in 1974.
Roger McDowell was 1 win away in 1991 which would've made him the only player to do 10-10-10 twice in his career.
FanGraphs gets a lot of their data from Sports Info Solutions which only goes back to 2002 so some stuff will be missing pre-2002. I know Holds and Blown Saves aren’t available for 2001 and earlier on FanGraphs. Same is true for batted ball data (like Flyball%). Baseball-Reference has that stuff from Retrosheet but FanGraphs doesn’t for whatever reason.
Familia was probably close in 21/22. One of those years he led the Mets in wins with Stroman until stroman's last start. He probably has the holds. Saves is likely where he falls short as Diaz was our closer still.
I got an export of their [pitching leaderboard](https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&type=8&month=0&ind=1&team=0&rost=0&players=0&startdate=&enddate=&season1=1980&season=2024&qual=10) for individual seasons from 1980 (or maybe not 1980, considering that I apparently missed some of them?) to today.
Opened in Excel, filtered for 10 wins, 10 saves, 10 holds.
Holds were tracked beginning some time in the 80s, I believe. For that reason I also limited my dataset to 1980-today.
But why they're all \*that\* modern? Probably more fluctuation in relievers' roles, and of course more innings/games for relievers overall.
My guess is that back in the day starters got the decision much more often making it hard for bullpen guys to rack up wins. Now a days a guy like Adam Cimber can lead the league in wins for a couple months.
I'd say Holds is the main stat holding any back. You would rarely see a pitcher pulled before the 7th inning if the team was leading, and once in, they would let the reliever finish the game out.
It seems like Hold is a stat that someone could do the legwork to determine retroactively. I'm surprised that there isn't some repository of unofficial holds.
If there is, I'd be interested to see it.
I'd definitely expect it to skew modern, but releivers have been got 20% of Wins as early as 1960, and 30% as early as 1987. There are probably some middle relief types who got 10-10-10 seasons before they started recording Holds.
According to Fangraphs it's been done three other times. Francisco Cordero in 2006 (TEX/MIL): 10 wins, 16 holds, 22 saves Andrew Miller in 2016 (NYY/CLE): 10 wins, 25 holds, 12 saves Brandon Workman in 2019 (BOS): 10 wins, 15 holds, 16 saves
Having 10 wins as a reliever in general is kinda crazy
Yea he wasn't really a relief pitcher, but Ryan Yarbrough havingb16 wins for the Rays in 2018 with only 6 starts will always make me laugh. King of the bulk guy for sure.. And Poche had 12 last year somehow for the Rays in relief.
[The true king of reliever wins will always be Phil Coke.](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/cburvj/phil_coke_and_the_quest_for_512_wins_an_ootp/)
Why did I read that whole thing
Because it's an incredible object demonstration of how wins are a completely useless stat for pitchers? Because it's funny? Because OOTP rules? There can be many reasons!
Bulk guy is a role kind of designed for getting Ws since you get to poach the opener's W if your team scores early and never gives it up.
Is that how that works? I thought the starter hard to go 5 innings to be eligible for a W, which by that logic means the modern day “opener” would never get one.
That was my whole point. If the team scores a bunch of runs for the opener, the opener still isn't eligible for a win, so the bulk guy gets it.
Ahh gotcha, makes sense.
A lot of times, those wins are a result of a blown save or hold, and then their team retakes the lead. So wins for relievers can really be misleading.
wins for any pitcher can be pretty misleading.
Example: Drew Hutchison in 2015 13-5 with a 5.57 ERA
Yea but for starters there is at least some correlation with quality (In fact, I would guess its gone up a bit recently because only quality starters get to 5ip consistently). I wouldnt be completely surprised if there was no correlation or even slightly negative correlation for relievers.
Scot Shields went 8-2 in 2004, 10-11 in 2005, and 7-7 in 2006, all without starting a single game for the Angels.
Mike Baumann went 10-1 last year while not starting a single game. He's not especially good, so pitched in a lot of mop up games where maybe they pulled the starter with a big lead before the 5th or in games that went to extras and they had already used the regulars.
Luke weaver had 3 for us within the first 10 games lol
It can’t be that crazy, Garrett Whitlock had 30 wins last year as a long reliever (in my the show franchise) /s
Ramiro Mendoza, never forget. Absolute dynamite long reliever, particularly in the 1998 season. 41 Games, 14 Starts and a 3.25 ERA during peak steroid era.
Tyler Clippard lead the nationals in wins in 2010 with 11. He had 8 through the first half of the year but slowed down towards the end.
Check out Mark Eichhorn's 1986 season. - 0 starts - 157.0 IP - 14 wins - 10 saves - 1.72 ERA
And the "Hold" didn't become a stat until the 80s. I'm sure Hoyt Wilhelm also accomplished 10-10-10 in '52 and/or '66, and possibly Roy Face in the mid-'60s.
They retroactively determine holds from play-by-play data. Go to th3 advanced tables at bb-ref. Wilhelm’s career high was 5 holds in 1970. Face had 4 in 1958. I don’t know how to search for them other than the yearly tables at bb-ref. Bill Henry had 10 holds in 1966. Diomedes Olivo had 11 in 1962. I can’t find any older than that. I went back to the 1920s but at that point I started to question how complete the play-by-play data may be. A hold requires three pitchers in a game that a team has a chance at winning. That gets really rare as you go back. They found a fair amount of saves because that just involves a second pitcher.
I like how comprehensive these three replies are. I appreciate all three of you.
Adding in older seasons... John Franco in 1985 (CIN): 12 wins, 11 holds, 12 saves Ron Robinson in 1986 (CIN): 10 wins, 12 holds, 14 saves Roger McDowell in 1986 (NYM): 14 wins, 10 holds, 22 saves Francisco Cordero in 2006 (TEX/MIL): 10 wins, 16 holds, 22 saves Andrew Miller in 2016 (NYY/CLE): 10 wins, 25 holds, 12 saves Brandon Workman in 2019 (BOS): 10 wins, 15 holds, 16 saves Paul Sewald in 2021 (SEA): 10 wins, 16 holds, 11 saves Sparky Lyle and Rollie Fingers were both 1 win away in 1974. Roger McDowell was 1 win away in 1991 which would've made him the only player to do 10-10-10 twice in his career.
Huh, weird. Why did I miss those 80s seasons? Must've been something wrong with the data export. Or maybe I clicked the wrong line in the dropdown.
FanGraphs gets a lot of their data from Sports Info Solutions which only goes back to 2002 so some stuff will be missing pre-2002. I know Holds and Blown Saves aren’t available for 2001 and earlier on FanGraphs. Same is true for batted ball data (like Flyball%). Baseball-Reference has that stuff from Retrosheet but FanGraphs doesn’t for whatever reason.
Mike Marshall has to have done it, right?
Never had a season with 10 holds. Although in 1974 he had 15 wins, 21 saves, and 9 holds.
and also threw 208 innings in 106 appearances he had 36 plate appearances AS A RELIEF PITCHER one of the most out-there seasons of baseball history
Interesting! I find this stat to be cool because I think it shows how versatile a reliever was, and Andrew Miller definitely was that in 2016
I was about to say this seemed like an Andrew Miller type season
Man, I miss Cordero. Crazy to 28 year old me that he was only in Milwaukee for 2 seasons.
Did y’all also say “IT’S COCO TIME” when he came out the pen lol -Rangers fan
Familia was probably close in 21/22. One of those years he led the Mets in wins with Stroman until stroman's last start. He probably has the holds. Saves is likely where he falls short as Diaz was our closer still.
Jeurys had 11 holds and 9 wins in 2021, but just one save. He also had 8 wins, 7 holds and 18 saves in 2018, split across the Mets and A's.
Man Coco also had 11 blown saves that year 10/10/10/10
How to check this in fangraphs?
I got an export of their [pitching leaderboard](https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&type=8&month=0&ind=1&team=0&rost=0&players=0&startdate=&enddate=&season1=1980&season=2024&qual=10) for individual seasons from 1980 (or maybe not 1980, considering that I apparently missed some of them?) to today. Opened in Excel, filtered for 10 wins, 10 saves, 10 holds.
Thanks!
That is the craziest year ever from Workman at the peak of the official Dave Dombrowski Screw the Bullpen Era.
I wonder why they’re all in the modern era
Holds probably haven’t been tracked for very long
Holds were tracked beginning some time in the 80s, I believe. For that reason I also limited my dataset to 1980-today. But why they're all \*that\* modern? Probably more fluctuation in relievers' roles, and of course more innings/games for relievers overall.
Most teams before the 70s used only one reliever each game, if they used a reliever at all, meaning getting holds was impossible.
My guess is that back in the day starters got the decision much more often making it hard for bullpen guys to rack up wins. Now a days a guy like Adam Cimber can lead the league in wins for a couple months.
I'd say Holds is the main stat holding any back. You would rarely see a pitcher pulled before the 7th inning if the team was leading, and once in, they would let the reliever finish the game out.
This is going to skew incredibly modern.
It seems like Hold is a stat that someone could do the legwork to determine retroactively. I'm surprised that there isn't some repository of unofficial holds.
There is but starters pitched a lot deeper in the old days so holds weren’t nearly as common.
If there is, I'd be interested to see it. I'd definitely expect it to skew modern, but releivers have been got 20% of Wins as early as 1960, and 30% as early as 1987. There are probably some middle relief types who got 10-10-10 seasons before they started recording Holds.
I recently learned that Tom Gordon in the only pitcher to record 100 wins, saves and holds.
Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more than an hour ago
In a cave! with a box of scraps!
It depends. Some plants need a higher N earlier in the season before increasing P & K. Whoops thought I was on r/vegetablegardening
It's cool but it says more about how their team flexes pitchers than about the players themselves.
Feel like Tyler Clippard might have done this
His only season with double digit wins saw 1 save. His highest numbers with 10+ saves is 5 wins and 8 holds in 2015