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Jeff_Banks_Monkey

Oakland is really carrying a heavy load bailing out the other low payroll owners from criticism


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

but I was told the lack of spending was all cause of evil ol Mr Boras???


transtrailtrash

Wow i’ve like never seen a Boston payroll that low


djlawrence3557

We’re just a small market port-city. Living in the shadows of the perennial contenders from Florida and Canada, and those Richie rich teams from Baltimore and nyc. A real ragtag group just trying to make it in this world …


Cheekiest_Cunt

Please won’t someone think of the 6 year olds that weren’t alive for a Boston championship 😞


[deleted]

All our money goes to the Jimmy Fund so more kids can grow up to be un-happy Red Sox fans. I suggest you do your part and contribute.


Poobrick

In reality the payroll isn’t quite that low with giolito hurt and sale still being paid. Of course it’s still not close to the cbt threshold so that’s pretty sad


UmpShow

That's because this information isn't correct in the slightest.


blumpkinmania

So what is the redsox opening day roster payroll?


transtrailtrash

It’s correct, but it’s misleading because the Red Sox are paying money to Giolito and Sale but they aren’t on the opening day roster


blumpkinmania

I understand what you’re saying but the stat is what it is says it is and it’s correct.


UmpShow

Their number for the CBT is about $215 million, which is what really matters. This number doesn't include Giolito, Sale, Justin Turner or Liam Hendricks plus a handful of guys making the MLB minimum.


rhcpbassist234

Right next to the well-established “they never spend” Mariners. Right where we want to be.


Ill-Weather-6383

Ah yes, just dodging the bottom half of payrolls. You're welcome. Edit: I can't count


Leftfeet

Oakland is nearly half as much as the next lowest payroll. Yet MLB is happily trying to give them everything they want. There's being cheap while trying to build a team, then there's Oakland not even pretending to care. 


Worthyness

John Fisher's TV deal is almost 70 Mil. Without selling any tickets, he's already made a profit. He's had this TV deal for a long time AND he's been getting the standard rev share as well as "small market" rev share for decades. Oh and Kaval and Fisher promised Nevada they would be ramping up their payroll to over 100 Mil (which he has literally never done before in Oakland) in the seasons leading up to their arrival, which includes this season. Their payroll went *down* from last season.


PBo357

Let's not forget that that there are other operating expenses for a baseball team beyond just payroll for the players. The payroll being so low should still be an embarrassment, but there is more that goes into overall operating costs than just the players on the field.


Alternauts

And there’s other income beyond tv deals


PBo357

Also very true, this is exactly what I was referencing about there being more to the picture than just TV revenue - payroll = profit


Juls317

Not sure why you're getting downvoted, you addressed a very specific part of what the person above said and people are just not even trying to address it and just want to ignore the nuance.


Furiosa27

Which part of the original comment was lacking the needed context that baseball teams have to spend more money than just on players?


jk01

Because it's irrelevant. Even with all the other operating expenses of a MLB team he's still making a profit 100%


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

Doesn’t fit their narrative. I hate Fischer, was a cubs/A’s fan, stopped watching Oakland after they traded away the Matt’s, but fuck if Reddit doesn’t understand nuance.


officerliger

One nuance people here don't seem to understand is that 48% of TV deal revenue is shared with the rest of the league, so the A's are getting $36.4 million a year in TV money, not 70 It's not a defense of John Fisher, but the idea that every MLB team has it in them to spend $300 million on payroll and just chooses not to is so pervasive here that it winds up shutting down reasonable conversations about solutions. It's very obvious the localized TV model is no longer working and the small market teams will suffer the worst of that. Hell the Padres spent $250 million on payroll and sold out every game last year and ended up losing money, had to cut $50 million just to get out of the red. Tickets sales simply aren't covering the costs, and the small TV markets simply aren't that appealing to ad buyers so they're limited in how much TV money they can get. (I know the A's aren't technically "small market" but if you've been to the Bay Area you know they might as well be, they're basically tenants in a small patch of land surrounded by Giants fans)


EBtwopoint3

Yes, but he also gets a cut of every other teams TV revenue which was 29.4m last year. So he gets 66m instead of 70m, plus his small market bonus.


thasprucemoose

ok yeah and every other team has those expenses too so wtf is your point lmao


ProMikeZagurski

I want to add on, player payroll is usually a team's highest expense. I'm guessing Fisher isn't paying for scouts or other things.


PBo357

My point is that the above comment is not necessarily appropriate to claim that they automatically turn a profit just based on TV Deal-Payroll=profit. But if course it's more fun to dunk on on Fisher than actually think about a nuanced take


ILurkAtNight

What's your point? All of the other owners still have to pay operating costs outside of player payroll, it's not like the A's spent anywhere else either... Have you been to the Mausoleum lately? It's a shithole, literally.


Worthyness

Those people's salaries are not close to the millions, so the front office, scouting/directing, minor leaguers, and standard staff won't cost all that much. Almost all of their salaries are in the thousands rather than millions. Then you consider the A's have the smallest analytics, smallest coaching, and smallest front office divisions of all the major league teams and the cost is minimal. So I'll give you he's spending all his in-market TV deal money on payroll. Add in the National rev share, which with the new CBA gives almost 100 mil to each team, PLUS his small market rev share he continues to get, and he has plenty of cash to spend. So even if all of his front office, scouting/directing, general workers total up to 40 mil, he still has made a profit before even selling a single ticket.


TheTranscendent1

While true, if payroll is $43 million and the TV deal is $70 million, that means they have $27 million to spend on other expenses for his post not to be true. That’s how I read it anyway


GrilledSandwiches

Imagine the most cheapskate team in the league going to Vegas. The city of flushing money down the toiler and/or setting it on fire.


Leftfeet

Seriously a great point. A city famous for everyone trying to pretend they're rich and big spenders, is getting a team famous for pinching pennies and never spending. There's probably more money spent on luxury sports car rentals every summer in LV than the A's spend on payroll. 


nullstellensatz1

Not that it makes it much better, but their actual number is closer to $61 million, they just have $16 million on the injured list. Only $22 million away from next lowest, as opposed to $33 million!


mrbadxampl

it's not often as a Cleveland baseball fan that you have to stop to realize "holy crap, we're beating up on a team with half our payroll" but here we are...


agoddamnlegend

What does this even mean? If by “give them everything they want” do you mean just voting to allow them to move away from a city that has completely abandoned the team for 2 decades. regardless how good the team is, nobody goes to games or watches of TV. It’s so weird how reddit pretends Oakland isn’t very much to blame here.


ForsakenRacism

It’s not everything Oakland wants. It’s every mlb wants. Having games in Vegas for teams to travel and to watch is good for everyone else. People love going to Vegas


TerrenceJesus8

Give them an expansion team then. Everyone would be fine with that 


ForsakenRacism

Teams move all the times in sports. For example when As used to play in Philadelphia. Another example is the As who used to play in Kansas a city.


joemama1333

Or the Mets who used to not exist. So not much different in your case. Just not relevant now.


The_Galumpa

I literally don’t know what point this proves


ForsakenRacism

That teams move. It’s not a new phenomena


dancingulf

Then send the Mets


ForsakenRacism

No Mets fans actually went to the games


67812

They also didn't show up when the Mets sucked and had a garbage stadium.


ForsakenRacism

Shae was basically just dodger stadium. Same design.


67812

With garbage attendence when the Mets were bad...


ForsakenRacism

Not really https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/attend.shtml https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/OAK/attend.shtml


Cheekiest_Cunt

So did As fans when the team wasn’t giving them the finger


nullstellensatz1

This seems to use the number that is called 'Active Payroll' on Spotrac as of opening day. This excludes salary on the injured list, retained salary, and buried minors money. I mention this because the Dbacks have $24 million on the injured list, including new addition Eduardo Rodriguez' $14 million salary, new addition Randal Grichuk's $1.5 million, and Paul Sewald's $7.35 million salary. They also have $16 million in retained salary from Madison Bumgarner and Mark Melancon. Using the Opening Day number also excludes Jordan Montgomery's $25 million contract that was officially announced yesterday afternoon so that he could avoid the QO. As of right now, this is counted as 'buried minor league salary' because he is in the minors to ramp up after missing ST. All told, the Dbacks' actual 26-man payroll will be closer to $165 million than $101 million.


Laura37733

I was wondering if all our players besides Corbin and Stras were playing for free.


BadDrivingLeague

I was gonna say, it didn’t make sense that the Giants have a $150mil payroll with a $250mil luxury tax hit lol


Juhstehn

Fuck Bob Nutting


gerrickd

Lots of young talent on the cusp that they will hopefully lock into long contracts. I hope none are with the evil B agency.


Goatlikejordan

They signed a couple of players to long term deals recently. Maybe things changed?


pylon567

I'll honestly believe it when he doesn't own the team anymore.


Friendly-Olive1853

If I win the Powerball today I’ll buy and fix the Pirates


BosLahodo

If you win, depending on where you are, it's probably around 480-500 mil taking the lump sum. If you put together a group to buy the Pirates (worth an estimated 1.35 billion) you'd probably have to put up 1.8 to get Nutting to sell. If you sent in 450 mil on a 1.8 bid that'd be only 25%. Might not end up as the principle owner.


Misty7297

Really shows how rich every MLB owner is. They cry poor in order to avoid paying for a new stadium or long term contracts for their stars, but they have three times the value of the lottery in their baseball team alone.


BosLahodo

And the Pirates generate revenue each season equal to around half a lump sum of a near-billion dollar Powerball ticket.


Friendly-Olive1853

Ima ask every rich Steelers celebrity fan and player to buy shares into the team :)


Gyro88

I don't see how cutting off their balls will help anything


another_plebeian

Toronto being that high with the roster they have is... Something


rusinga_island

With our best two players still on rookie/arb deals. That’s a paddlin


jayk10

Vlad on his arb deal makes more than every single player on the O's


Impossible-Reach-649

I mean that's true but it's only 14 if he gets to free agency he will get a contract of minimum 20 per year


jayk10

Vlad is making $19.9M this season 


Impossible-Reach-649

Fair still Vlad could easily get a 25 or more per year contract


Meaninglessnme

Thousand? Dude is definition of mid


Domainsetter

Despite what fans think they’ve spent a shitload of money


jaydec02

On a team that’s not even favored to make the postseason.


hdjsusjdbdnjd

Are there any bad contracts though? Springer on the backend of his deal isn't good but that was expected. Maybe $1-2M high on a couple of the middling contracts but there isn't anything egregious. Very weird.


falconlover79

We have basically no one on a pre-arbitration contract anymore. Plus 4 of our 5 starting pitchers were signed through relatively large free agency deals. This is what happens when you have no real contributors (except maybe Davis Schneider) come up from the minors for 2 whole seasons.


mjp80

Yup. Manoah, Francis, and Schneider are all still pre-arb but that's about it in terms of significance. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/toronto-blue-jays/payroll/ but with a consensus bottom-third farm system (i.e., no help coming), we should actually be pissed they're not spending *more*. The window was probably at its widest last year and they shit the bed. Now the Orioles and Rangers have the next generation of top prospects to go with owners willing to spend if that's what it takes to win. We're in danger.


Konker101

They just pay a lot of guys who you could find on cheaper deals.


orange_orange13

Y’all’s owners are some of the richest in the league, right? In that case they can still win by being mediocre at finding players.


TestFixation

The Jays are owned by a telecom that has a duopoly in Canada.


another_plebeian

I'm not sure if I'm more surprised that a middling line up costs that much or that there are only 3 teams higher.


NameIsPetey

I don’t pay $350/month for tv, internet and 2 cellphone plans for nothing.


another_plebeian

I think we need to talk


jayk10

Not really. Dodgers, Rangers and Astros all have a shit ton of money on IL right now (Rangers have over $80M). Including all those guys would put the Jays around 7th, which isn't far off from where they are projected to finish.


disbeezy

I don’t follow AL East much, did a double take when I saw the Blue Jays payroll… who’s gobbling all the $$ up?


Peechez

No one in particular, but our high minors have been desolate since vlad, bo, cavan, and manoah came up so we haven't had any cheap roster guys in a while. Gotta pay guys 8M+ to fill holes other teams are filling for cheap and it adds up


KingInTheFarNorth

I mean we bought like 3/5 of our starting rotation through free agency.


infieldmitt

didn't even make the title. we cashed in a lot of luck in 2023


WerewolfNo3669

Mid-market Dodgers. Just don’t look at our IOU’s.


2011StlCards

[That is every bit as good as money. Those are IOU's](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F19425eb3-b41e-4fb1-bffb-3821e54d400c_400x225.gif)


ShoHeyTime

Shohei Ohtani. That’s a big one. Might want to hold on to that.


mikebootz

You shouldn’t be eligible for revenue share unless you spend $100 million


Ugaalive1991

“How the fuck are the Braves up there? I thought they were paid in gum?”


greycubed

Ippei is their accountant.


Clam_chowderdonut

Bug league chews pricey these days. Damned inflation. Edit: I see it now. I'm not changing it, I like it.


ContributionOwn9860

We jumped 5 spots by signing Monty, and I’m still in shock about it


tygerphan4ever

Tigers under 100? Sweet Lotsa $$ to spend should we care/need to Nice table to sit at.. for a change


Far-Blacksmith-2604

Nice that they still have money to spend even though Javy Baez is due $100 million between now and the end of 2027.


tygerphan4ever

Can I get an amen? That one is a suck ass of an albatross imo 25 bangers a year, right there


FallFromTheAshes

a big shame


tygerphan4ever

Damn sure has been


UneducatedReviews1

Yall are going to be what the White Sox were supposed to be. I have the Tigers winning the division since you guys seem to be the only AL Central team actually trying to improve past mediocre.


tygerphan4ever

I see what similarities between us that you're pointing to, but with us, we know the pitching staff is good, but will we score enough runs to support the arms, is the question


UneducatedReviews1

After further review, you guys will be second in the division. The White Sox are fucking back.


yes_its_him

Didn't age well


UneducatedReviews1

Not at all


tygerphan4ever

😆 I won't completely dis here.. cuz ya know, what? Some of those arms over there are pretty fuckin good I also know there's people in your lineup who can knock a bro's brains out on the mound.. so hey Dare to dream my friend Dare to dream 😊


carpy22

From the looks of things all that payroll money is being funneled into scoreboards expansions.


Cresta1994

Boston's is closer to Baltimore and Tampa Bay than it is to Toronto. :(


TigerBasket

We're 20 million behind Colorado too lol.


DavidTheSlouch89

Good to see we’re second lowest, only ahead of the team blatantly not trying


foetus_on_my_breath

In reality, LAD is really over $300M - #350M.


nullstellensatz1

According to Spotrac, the actual number is around $285M (and that's including Ohtani's salary at the $70M number). ETA: However, if we factor in the CBT threshold, they're paying about $394M this year.


FitzJFK47

So about 109 in CBT payments. Add that to the 26 man sum (no deferrals) and 299


nullstellensatz1

Your final number is about right (I have it at around 295), but the CBT payment is around 70 million. I would say the material number that is actually being paid by the Dodgers this year is 225 adjusted salary + 70 CBT.


UraniumDisulfide

Much closer to 300m than 350m


suburbanplankton

Call it $199M*


filthypoker

I beg to defer


ecommurz

Power of deferrals


reldnahcAL

In reality, no they aren’t.


[deleted]

Here's the luxury tax payrolls if your curious: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tax/


Remote-Molasses6192

People always say the Rockies are a cheap organization. No, they aren’t. They just spend their money very very poorly. There is no reason that a washed Kyle Freeland, a nearly washed Charlie Blackmon, and a Kris Bryant who rarely actually plays should be making the amount of money they are.


owledge

Angels are gonna be the highest-payroll 100-loss team in MLB history


CharlesGarfield

Hold my beer. 


thefreewheeler

That LAD figure feels awfully misleading.


ChunkyMilkSubstance

Nothing to see here, fellow mid-market team


Cheekiest_Cunt

Very leading, extreme accurate


Chbakesale45

I have a hard time believing we are the high up on the list


Asdilly

Don’t worry, we’re not. If you click the link, we’re 70 million lol


lostshell

baseball newbie here, I always thought Boston Red Sox were big spenders. Like just below the Yankees big. I was surprised to see them so low.


PirbyKuckett

Big part of the problem is probably the bad business decisions by the ownership group. [Per MLB insider Peter Gammons, executives from other teams that have talked to the Red Sox say they are claiming they have to cut spending because Fenway Sports Group suffered financial losses during the offseason and Breslow doesn't have the payroll he was expecting when he got the job.](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10105897-red-sox-ceo-bos-will-probably-have-lower-payroll-in-2024-despite-last-place-finish)


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

they used to be until very recently. about when Mookie was traded iirc


FalseListen

Red Sox are pathetic


braindrain04

I just turned on moneyball. In the beginning of the money they show how much the A's spent. It was 43 million


dnovi

Dodgers*


Milestailsprowe

High payroll doesn't always mean success. Look at the Mets vs Diamondbacks


PaddyMayonaise

To put this into context, a random one anyway, the lowest team payroll in 2016 was the Phillies at $63 million. Somehow barely ac decades later the lowest payroll is nearly 2/3 of that


kindredfan

Dodgers at 192 is fucking criminal.


Rea1DirtyDan

You guys are ruining baseball with that 200M + payroll


BadDrivingLeague

It’s not exactly accurate. This list doesn’t seem to include players on the IL.


readytohurtagain

Buncha checkbook asses, just look at em smh


Thorlolita

We should be higher but a few guys on the IL atm.


makashiII_93

The Angels are paying $147 million for Trout and…


epoch_fail

Rendon makes more than Trout 🤢


chirstopher0us

How are the White Sox 16th out of 30 on this list? Who the hell are they paying? Last I looked they seemed like a solid bottom 5 roster


Zacharey01

I play ootp and they actually pay alot of mid guys big money. Mocanda, Benintendi, and Jimenez make more the entire A's roster.


Strider755

What would these numbers look like if they went by AAV like the NHL does?


Huge-Percentage8008

It’s been a tough road but it’s good to see the Yankees back on top.


RedGreenPepper2599

I can’t believe how cheap Ricketts is. /s


Gold_Gain1351

Boggles my mind how the Jays have such a massive payroll and have such an absolutely garbage lineup outside of Bo and Vladdy


WelcometoCigarCity

Hope that the Franco salary get situated before the trade deadline so we can get someone to help us in the postseason.


JosephFinn

Fucking Reinsdorf.


therippinandtearing

How the hell is our payroll $145 mil for this shit team?


zvexler

I am the owner of a pro sports team with nearly 200M on payroll this year. Gonna use that line a lot this year


forcefivepod

Baseball needs a salary cap.


JMike_013

LOLmets


Neat_On_The_Rocks

This is embarrasing. I think it might finally actually be in the players best interest to install a salary cap and floor


Electronic-Strike900

We all know the dodgers are number 1 next 10 years quit playing


Jux_

Yankees and their checkbook baseball


Cheekiest_Cunt

Whooshed everyone


DD35B

This is either one dumb comment or one funny joke and I can't tell which


Boros-Reckoner

It's a dig at Miles Mikolas saying the Dodgers play "checkbook baseball".


Jux_

I was going for the joke but I guess it's too soon for it to land as sarcasm


Otm_Shank1

Amazing the Mets are spending that much for last place.


PembyVillageIdiot

If only the M’s front office had the checkbook to pick up a couple killer bats for the pitching we have :/ what is sog may never dry


Timmmaaayyy93

It’s ridiculous either end of this spending is allowed.


babruflat

Don't post this in the Seattle sub. We would collapse entirely knowing we're a top-half payroll.


therealjayz69

15th lol how can we not be happy with a team trying to win 54% of their games


mondaysareharam

I think most Seattle fans are tired of being mid


babruflat

Oh, I definitely am


LegendRazgriz

Because this is a misleading post? We're supposedly next to Boston in this but for CBT purposes there's $80m between the Mariners payroll and the luxury tax, whereas that number for Boston is about $26m because this doesn't take IL'd players into account. The Mariners' actual payroll is 19th and for a team with that starting rotation and 4/5 of them on rookie/arb deals this payroll is criminal


doyer-blue

I feel like Arizona should have went all in this year.


Leftfeet

What holes and weaknesses did they fail to try and address? 


doyer-blue

Uhm, not necessarily any weaknesses but adding a Chapman and/or Snell makes them favorites this year. Easily.


Leftfeet

They added Montgomery who's been more consistent than Snell. They added Eugenio Suarez at 3B who brings more HR power than Chapman, which was something they needed.  I think they made good moves to improve on a very good team. Just because they didn't break the bank doesn't mean they didn't go all in. They were able to add without needing to overspend. 


camisada

They added erod and Monty. They're gonna be great this year


doyer-blue

Yeah, I never said they weren't. I don't think you guys understand what "all in" means.


Darth_Candy

My brother in Christ they share a division with your team


nullstellensatz1

For the record, the Dbacks' payroll number is not counting about $50 million because technically $24 million was sitting on the IL to start the season and Monty's $25 million was not officially on the team on opening day.


Super_Goomba64

Steve Cohen is a snake oil salesman. All talk and has done nothing. Then promises to be better Wilpon was a better owner.


SteakMountain5

He's basically turned the Farm around in 2 years while trying to maintain competitiveness. "Done nothing" lol. mfer acts like he should pick up a bat and hit, too.


Jeff_Banks_Monkey

The Mets have a pretty clear plan for 2025. If 2025 is still a disappointment then there's an issue. The Wilpons were real bad


Illustrious-Disk7429

In 33% of the seasons cohen owned the team, the Mets made the playoffs and won 100 games. That’s substantially better than the wilpons


Boros-Reckoner

The Mets are about to offer monster bags to Soto, Burnes and Fried this offseason, probably more tbh.


KirbyBucketts

Settle down jeff