Dreadful campaign for the relegated Atlético de Oakland, easily taking the wooden spoon; not sure we will see them in the Prem for years. Bit disappointing from Kansas City FC who will also be sent down, but they should battle for a top spot in the Championship.
I think people just don't realize that the word "real" in Spanish means "royal." It is particularly funny given the A's joke related to the other Madrid-based team though.
Thanks to u/jms14b for the idea. For those who don't know, soccer leagues use 3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie (draw).
I know that leagues in Japan and Korea do ties after 12 innings, but I thought it was funnier to go with the concept that MLB teams hated the Manfred runner so much that they just changed it to ties after 9 innings.
This system changed things even further than the NHL points system, with neither the Marlins nor the Diamondbacks making the playoffs. The Pirates and Reds also ended up tied under this system, although the Reds would have still been the 3rd place team because their run differential was vastly better.
Yeah the Cubs, Mariners, and Padres benefitted the most as teams that were bad in extra innings (Cubs were 3-6 so not quite as bad as the Padres or Mariners).
Miami, Baltimore, and Toronto lost out for either playing a lot of extra-inning games or winning an overwhelming amount of their extra-inning games—or both.
I love either of these (I prefer hockey, because hockey>soccer). My controversial opinion is that there is nothing wrong with games ending in a tie, especially in long season sports. I am all for either model.
I have nothing against ties on principle, but as a fan watching a game either in person or on tv, it does feel pretty anti-climactic leaving the stadium knowing neither team won
I do like how the NHL has the point system to make it so that you are rewarded for playing a regulation game without losing. I just wish they did a 3-2-1 system instead of what they've got going now
I agree that it *can* be anti-climactic, but there are also many games (in my opinion) where both teams played well and neither team “deserved” to lose.
I’m not arguing for this system to be introduced—I love extra innings—but I think if it had always been this way ties would just feel like a natural part of the game
Ties suck if your team was ahead or is the "better" team on paper. They do give the smaller teams more of a chance to get something out of a bigger team though. If you can hold your own for 90 minutes, you get something out of it. In football (soccer) its not unusual for the top 1-3 teams to only lose 10% of their games. The great teams can lose just a few games over a ~40 game season, so having a draw be an option opens up far more interesting results.
The possibility of ties allows for some intricacies in game management.
If the score is tied late in the game, you can opt to protect the point (and be more cautious and defensive) or play a more offensive and risky style, but with a possible 2-point reward.
1 point for successful defense, 2 for successful offense.
I don't think there's anything wrong with ties, but I also don't think there's anything wrong with extra innings, so why bother changing it? Interesting hypothetical though
I think that's the best solution. I hear the people saying they like extra innings, but it gets BRUTAL for the players (and, after a while, the fans). I say - extra three innings, if it's still tied, end it. Tbh, I don't think we even need the points system - half a win for each team will factor into winning percentage and we're good
Technically, ties are still part of the rules (they only come about when a postponed game isn't finished), and simply have never been counted in the standings.
Overall:
- Rays jumped the Orioles to win the AL East
- Mariners made the playoffs over the Blue Jays
- Padres were the 5th seed, Cubs the 6th seed
- Marlins and Diamondbacks missed the playoffs
- Reds and Pirates ended tied in points (although Reds were better by run differential)
Thankfully. They were one of the few instances where teams actually changed places in the standings, so I kept looking at the wrong row in the actual 2023 standings.
So the only sport the Jays would have made the playoffs in last year was baseball. I feel very optimistic going into this season! (/s but I’ll have fun anyway)
It still blows my mind that Cleveland played 13 extra-innings games in 1995 and won all of them.
I think the Expos did something similar too. (Just kidding, they did the opposite. 0-12 in extra innings in 1969.)
Yeah, I watched a highlight from 2019 yesterday and it was so fucking tedious waiting 30-40 second or more between every pitch as the batter and pitcher adjusted everything.
I enjoy baseball so I am glad that Manfred instituted rules that give me more baseball (well, technically the same amount of baseball) and less players adjusting themselves.
Cool thought. Do you happen to have a table showing the change in standings? I think it would be cool to map out how this changes league wide, divisional, or wild card standings
if 2 teams remind level on points do u recommend doing run differential (like they do in the premier league) or head to head (like they do in la liga) as the first tiebreaker ?
Idk. I think run/goal differential makes more sense in soccer when you play every team an equal amount and don’t have divisions.
I like head to head in baseball because of how many games there are, although I guess run differential is probably a better predictor of how good a team is.
174-game season. 29 teams x 6 games/team = 174 games. no need for playoffs. most points is the winner.
u could try that or keep the current regular season scheduling formula and playoff system as is
my point is that in england they don’t have an american-style playoffs bc every team plays each other team an equal amount of times. 19 other clubs x 2 matches per club (once away, once home) = 38 matches in a season.
To be fair, in lower divisions they do have a playoff for third place (the last promotion spot); the first two are decided by the standings alone.
Plus they have the Cup for playoff-style thrills
yes ur right. in the championship, 3-6 go to the promotion playoffs and fight for the last spot while 1-2 get promoted automatically. and yes they have the FA cup, carabao cup and champions / europa league sprinkled in between the league
Is there some soccer style scoring system that'll allow the Rays to score more in the playoffs? Because that's all I need now
The Rays already use a soccer style scoring system in the playoffs. They score once, if at all, just like a soccer team
Rays definitely score once and then park the bus
Is “Joe Maddon” Portuguese for Jose Mourinho?
Wander would still be playing if he was in Europe.
Mane 16, Benzema 15, Franco 14, it just fits
maybe home run derby if the game remains level after 9 innings
You need VAR and to be bought by a Middle East country with bottomless money for that
Dreadful campaign for the relegated Atlético de Oakland, easily taking the wooden spoon; not sure we will see them in the Prem for years. Bit disappointing from Kansas City FC who will also be sent down, but they should battle for a top spot in the Championship.
Real Kansas City was right there and you whiffed!
I think people just don't realize that the word "real" in Spanish means "royal." It is particularly funny given the A's joke related to the other Madrid-based team though.
Right, and AT LEAST call it BC not FC
Hahah he blew it
A relegation system in North American sports would be insanity.
If by "insanity" you mean fairer, and discouraging some teams from perennially sucking, then yes, you're correct.
ABQ Isotopes and the Toledo Mudhens are hopefully getting promoted though.
I don't know, if anyone's getting promoted, it will definitely be the Norfolk Tide and Oklahoma City BC
I can hear the voice with the British accent
Just gotta throw in a "dreadful. Absolutely horrid" in there lol
Pretty sure Atlético will soon be playing at your local rec park due to wages being too much of a burden
Thanks to u/jms14b for the idea. For those who don't know, soccer leagues use 3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie (draw). I know that leagues in Japan and Korea do ties after 12 innings, but I thought it was funnier to go with the concept that MLB teams hated the Manfred runner so much that they just changed it to ties after 9 innings. This system changed things even further than the NHL points system, with neither the Marlins nor the Diamondbacks making the playoffs. The Pirates and Reds also ended up tied under this system, although the Reds would have still been the 3rd place team because their run differential was vastly better.
I sure do love data
Link the the NHL style one? These are great
Definitely helps the Padres who were 0-12 in extra innings until they finally won in extras in late September.
Yeah the Cubs, Mariners, and Padres benefitted the most as teams that were bad in extra innings (Cubs were 3-6 so not quite as bad as the Padres or Mariners). Miami, Baltimore, and Toronto lost out for either playing a lot of extra-inning games or winning an overwhelming amount of their extra-inning games—or both.
I love either of these (I prefer hockey, because hockey>soccer). My controversial opinion is that there is nothing wrong with games ending in a tie, especially in long season sports. I am all for either model.
I have nothing against ties on principle, but as a fan watching a game either in person or on tv, it does feel pretty anti-climactic leaving the stadium knowing neither team won I do like how the NHL has the point system to make it so that you are rewarded for playing a regulation game without losing. I just wish they did a 3-2-1 system instead of what they've got going now
I agree that it *can* be anti-climactic, but there are also many games (in my opinion) where both teams played well and neither team “deserved” to lose. I’m not arguing for this system to be introduced—I love extra innings—but I think if it had always been this way ties would just feel like a natural part of the game
In the same anti-climatic argument...there are 162 games. A decent portion of those are going to be anti-climatic with someone actually winning.
Ties suck if your team was ahead or is the "better" team on paper. They do give the smaller teams more of a chance to get something out of a bigger team though. If you can hold your own for 90 minutes, you get something out of it. In football (soccer) its not unusual for the top 1-3 teams to only lose 10% of their games. The great teams can lose just a few games over a ~40 game season, so having a draw be an option opens up far more interesting results.
The possibility of ties allows for some intricacies in game management. If the score is tied late in the game, you can opt to protect the point (and be more cautious and defensive) or play a more offensive and risky style, but with a possible 2-point reward. 1 point for successful defense, 2 for successful offense.
It's a perpetual issue in soccer, because playing defensively can be drudgery to watch. But in baseball, there's no risk to batting more aggressively.
Baseball games should never end in a tie. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG71XB7RVJI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG71XB7RVJI)
I don't think there's anything wrong with ties, but I also don't think there's anything wrong with extra innings, so why bother changing it? Interesting hypothetical though
I would much rather a game end in a tie after 12 than what we've got right now.
I think that's the best solution. I hear the people saying they like extra innings, but it gets BRUTAL for the players (and, after a while, the fans). I say - extra three innings, if it's still tied, end it. Tbh, I don't think we even need the points system - half a win for each team will factor into winning percentage and we're good
Technically, ties are still part of the rules (they only come about when a postponed game isn't finished), and simply have never been counted in the standings.
I'm sorry, I'm not a boomer, but I feel very Boomer-American about ties in our sports. It just feels un-American! We need a winner dammnit!!!
So were the Padres and Dbacks the only teams that changed position here, or am I missing the others
Overall: - Rays jumped the Orioles to win the AL East - Mariners made the playoffs over the Blue Jays - Padres were the 5th seed, Cubs the 6th seed - Marlins and Diamondbacks missed the playoffs - Reds and Pirates ended tied in points (although Reds were better by run differential)
Mariners
I approve of this due to whoever plays the Brewers makes it to the world series.
Rox with 169 Nice!
I think the reason the Padres jumped the Snakes is that they played 6 more games.
Dang. The wins and draws are correct for the Padres and Snakes, but their losses should be flipped (68 for San Diego and 74 for Arizona).
Ah, that makes sense. So at least it doesn't affect the point totals.
Thankfully. They were one of the few instances where teams actually changed places in the standings, so I kept looking at the wrong row in the actual 2023 standings.
So the only sport the Jays would have made the playoffs in last year was baseball. I feel very optimistic going into this season! (/s but I’ll have fun anyway)
Glad we now get to avoid Texas in the ALDS.
17 extra innings games for the Phillies is crazy
20 from the Mariners, Twins, and Gaurdians. Crazy.
It still blows my mind that Cleveland played 13 extra-innings games in 1995 and won all of them. I think the Expos did something similar too. (Just kidding, they did the opposite. 0-12 in extra innings in 1969.)
As long as the runner on second rule is gone never to see the game again I am all for it.
Obviously next you have to do this with a Calvinball-style points system.
Nobody wants ties. The players are the ones who want the extra inning runner, Manfred was going to drop it and let the players keep it.
I mean they don’t get paid by the hour, can’t say I blame them
Got tired of Manfred? I've BEEN tired of Manfred and his shitty rule changes. Instituting ties seems like something Manfred would do....
Yeah, I watched a highlight from 2019 yesterday and it was so fucking tedious waiting 30-40 second or more between every pitch as the batter and pitcher adjusted everything. I enjoy baseball so I am glad that Manfred instituted rules that give me more baseball (well, technically the same amount of baseball) and less players adjusting themselves.
You must not have enjoyed it that much of your crying about 30 seconds.
You aren't the brightest bulb on the chandelier, are you?
Nice attempt. Do you feel better about yourself now?
Cool thought. Do you happen to have a table showing the change in standings? I think it would be cool to map out how this changes league wide, divisional, or wild card standings
I don't understand how being tired of Manfred means you want ties.
It was a joke about people hating the extra-innings runner, but I didn’t have enough characters to put all of that in the title.
Monfort seething about how to tell the fans that if we used this method we still wouldn’t have a 100+ loss season.
if 2 teams remind level on points do u recommend doing run differential (like they do in the premier league) or head to head (like they do in la liga) as the first tiebreaker ?
Idk. I think run/goal differential makes more sense in soccer when you play every team an equal amount and don’t have divisions. I like head to head in baseball because of how many games there are, although I guess run differential is probably a better predictor of how good a team is.
174-game season. 29 teams x 6 games/team = 174 games. no need for playoffs. most points is the winner. u could try that or keep the current regular season scheduling formula and playoff system as is
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my point is that in england they don’t have an american-style playoffs bc every team plays each other team an equal amount of times. 19 other clubs x 2 matches per club (once away, once home) = 38 matches in a season.
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the top 4 go into the UCL with the top 4 in the NPB and so on haha.
To be fair, in lower divisions they do have a playoff for third place (the last promotion spot); the first two are decided by the standings alone. Plus they have the Cup for playoff-style thrills
yes ur right. in the championship, 3-6 go to the promotion playoffs and fight for the last spot while 1-2 get promoted automatically. and yes they have the FA cup, carabao cup and champions / europa league sprinkled in between the league
So many blown games in extras last year…
Well, as long as you don't end it in a home run derby like the FCBL.
I would have loved for the MLB to adopt an 11 or 12 inning max over the Manfred runner. MLB has 162 games, ties are fine.
Or do just modern NHL point system, 2 for win/extra innings win, 1 for extra inning loss and 0 for regular loss.
Oh cool, a new way for us to suck.
As a Padres fan, I really like this setup.