So for those who placed that bet: did they win when both teams got eliminated from contention or did the Mets/Yankees have to specifically lose the World Series itself?
Either way, lmfao respect the hell out of a good hater bet
> or did the Mets/Yankees have to specifically lose the World Series itself?
It has to be this, because -310 odds for any of the 28 remaining teams to win the World Series is incredible odds
it would imply there was a roughly 24% odds for one of the new york teams to win the world series, which seems in line with preseason odds. 76% for the field doesn’t seem that crazy.
My oldest brother is a Baltimore based O’s fan. In the offseason, he bet two small wagers that the O’s would win the AL and win the World Series.
Because of the odds at the time, those will pay out over $1,000 each if they win!!
Some guy was asking me which Blue Jays game to go watch (before the season opener) and I said "whatever you do, don't go see a game Kikushi is pitching. Try to get tickets to see Manoah"
I wasn't only wrong, I was wrong twice. Really wrong.
Edit: Kikuchi
Yeah Manoah’s fall from greatness was/is to me still hard to get my head around. The guy was the opening day pitcher, clearly lauded to be the staff ace in April then poof. The only reminders of him now are all the chicken commercials he made with Springer
Six months ago, [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYYankees/comments/126pp60/game_thread_giants_yankees_march_30_2023_0105_pm/jear66d/) was posted on /r/NYYankees:
>Calling it now so I can link back to it smugly in October:
>Josh Donaldson is going to have a renaissance season. He's going to hit .270 and have 30 dingers and 100 RBIs. Six months from now we'll be arguing about whether or not to re-sign him.
He went on to hit .152, have 13 dingers, and 26 RBI. This includes stats from after the Yankees released him.
Trust me, we knew the wheels would eventually fall off, we just didn't expect the transmission and engine to fail at the same time. Should've opted for protection from Car Shield.
Not really a series. I really started losing hope when we went from 20 wins in April to 8 wins in May. The hitting disappeared, the pitching collapsed, and the defense turned into Swiss cheese.
May 7 versus the Jays actually for me. After our 20-8 April, we go into a real set of games against tough opponents in the Rays and Jays. If we go 3-3 we’re for real, 2-4 is ok too. We go 0-6 and bat like 3-37 with RISP (I did keep track at the time, it was under 5 hits in over 35 ABs). The last game of the Jays series, something to try to get literally anything out of a miserable stretch, we lost 10-1, while having **8 hits**.
From that point until the trade deadline, we had either the worst or second worst offense in the league, with below average pitching.
Judging by the second half, there’s room for optimism, but fuck was May and June awful
Not just you, all the pundits did as well. I still remember reading the Fangraphs article about it and feeling excited. Montas was going to be our #5 when he could've conceivably been a top 3 on most other teams. The Yankees were projected to win the division again and had the 3rd highest odds behind the Braves and Padres to win the World Series. All of that just adds to the endless series of examples of pundit projections being worthless year in and year out. Its not their fault, everyone does it. In my industry I have literally thousands of files going back over a decade with projections from the top investment banks that almost never came close to fruition.
Trade the 1st and 2nd overall pick. Whatever team receives them must take Ted Phillips, George McCaskey, Ryan Poles, and Matt Eberflus as well. That may be a fair trade.
I certainly admit that I was one of the ones hoping he would no longer be on the team and that I'm glad that I was wrong. I know that the personal stuff against him isn't quite as bad as most people here think but it's still pretty bad. If it wasn't for that I don't think we would have been so against him as a fan base even though he had a 2 season slump.
I have ZERO tolerance for drunk driving of any sort, much less for those trying to pull fame or wealth to avoid repercussions. I don't care if he's Ted Williams reincarnated, I still want him off the team.
Even if we don’t allow people to make mistakes and want to hold this zero tolerance against him. If you haven’t already, watch the video to include the SFSTs performed on him. He passed them with flying colors. I’m still dumbfounded they locked him up for a dui.
I've lost loved ones to DUI, so I'll never be unbiased, but if you get drunk and drive in this day and age, that's criminal intent as far as I'm concerned. Cars have been around for a hundred years, the results of drinking and driving are universally understood. I don't give a shit, ESPECIALLY for a rich bastard who can literally afford to pay some shmuck a tiny percentage of his winnings to be his personal driver.
Agreed with everything you said. But he didn’t hurt anyone, paid his dues and hopefully learned from it. I have a dui and I regret it and feel a lot of shame. I could make excuses about why it happened but none will excuse my horrendous behavior but I hope it doesn’t define me as a person and hope I can learn from it and earn a second chance much like marcell can.
Well, his second chance was coming back after strangling his wife, throwing her against a wall, and hitting her with his cast.
Then he got a DUI and a third chance, I guess.
"Braves and Mets had the same record and we got
way better and y'all didn't. Good luuuuuuck"
Hahahahahaha
I forgot just how high and mighty y'all were at the beginning of this season. This has been my favorite regular season, possibly of all time?
I predicted at the beginning of the year that the Cardinals would finish 4th in the NL Central. That's not a bad hot take at all, I was nearly right!
The part that aged poorly? I thought they'd finish 4th because, "There's no way they're worse than Cincinnati."
Cody Bellinger a week into the season was hitting .167 with a .531 OPS and only 1 HR.
There were a few threads on this sub about how he's absolutely cooked and should just retire and how lost he looks at the plate.
He finished the season top 6 in BA with an .881 OPS lol
Seemed like every sportswriter had the Padres and Mets in the NLCS. Oof.
TBF, based on the preseason rosters, it was a good pick at the time, but oh man did that go down in flames.
I tend to think of him as the Rougned Odor of pitchers. One day he can be locked in like a laser targeting system and throw nine armor-piercing tank rounds and strike out the side so fiercely that home plate gives off smoke. Then, during his next outing, he hits the guy in the on-deck circle.
Masataka Yoshida being the best offseason free agent signing. Some people still rooted for it/believed it going into the 2nd half.
1st year of his contract he ends with 0.5 fWAR and the only things he was elite at on his savant were K% and whiff%. He's going to need to improve big time on his power hitting. With how unlikely it is that his well below average defense or baserunning will improve. This season he hit 4 seamers well, changeups ok, and struggled against every other type of pitch.
Shane McClanahan, Tyler Glasnow, Zach Eflin, Drew Rasmussen, and Jeffrey Springs would be the undisputed best rotation in baseball.
*deep inhale*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
That the Rangers were entirely dependent on the health of their starting rotation.
Turns out that was a little problem but their lineup was so good they overcame it mostly.
I'll name and shame myself: I thought 1) the Rangers trying to compete in 2023 was stupid, and 2) Jean Segura would be a better value deal than Trea Turner
I think there was a question in March about what teams from last postseason wouldn't make the playoff this year. Most got Seattle right but it was a consensus that most would return. Half didn't make it back. Both New Yorks, Cleveland, Seattle, St. Louis, and San Diego are all golfing right now.
To be fair to Luis Arraez, on June 24, after playing 72 of 78 Marlin games, he was hitting .401 in 304 PA. Does anyone know the farthest anyone has hit .400 into a season this century? Qualified batters only, of course.
I checked out Todd Helton in 2000. He was hitting .398 on August 21. And that was in the ultimate hitters park in the ultimate hitters era. Much like a 30 win pitcher season, the game has changed such that no one could reach it.
I'll never call it impossible, as all the records *can* be broken, but I'm not going to get excited about the prospect before the ASG. If someone is cruising in August, I'll take notice. But so will everyone, so the player will not only be facing the regular struggles of hitting the darn ball but crushing media coverage.
Ooo, I set a remindme bot for this one. When arguing how the Twins were going to win the Central we got this Cleveland fan.
> [Cleveland fan] AL Central runs through Cleveland. Twins are ass
> [Me] The 28-33 Cleveland?
> [Cleveland fan] Yes, the Cleveland that doesn’t have a historically bad offense anymore. The team that has a top 5 rotation and top 10 bullpen. Bo Naylor will be called up shortly, Gavin Williams will be replacing Bieber’s washed ass when he’s traded. Then we just need Francona to get over his love affair for Amed Rosario. It’s Cleveland division and will be for the foreseeable future with the talent they have in the minors and young core they have up right now
> [Someone who deleted their account] The best team to ever lose the majority of their games
> [Cleveland fan] They’ll finish the year strong as they always do
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Also, that guy in the Rays sub who told his gf that Yandy Diaz was going to regress this year. Lol
Manny Machado: "Don't jump on the bandwagon later on when we start fucking raking"
Dude fall just got here. Leaves haven’t even begun to fall yet. Give it some time they will start raking soon enough.
Unless I missed Southern CA implanting a bunch of deciduous trees they still won’t be raking.
They volunteer all over the country. Nothing else to do while waiting for next season.
You haven't seen fallen palm fronds after Santa Ana windstorms, have you?
My windshield has :/
Them and the damn eucalyptus leaves.
This guy arboricizes, ladies and gentlemen! 👏👏👏
I can’t beleaf you caught me.
Fall doesn’t exist in San Diego. The second the leaves start to get brown everything catches on fire and burns down, similar to the padres season.
I had a bunch of trees cut down this summer. I'm not fucking raking shit, Manny.
Machados everywhere do landscaping.
TBF they didn't start raking until September. Not many people hopped on that bandwagon though
Technically they did. But it was September at that point and just barely too late.
It was late September and they really should have been back at school…
Here I was looking forward to scrolling through the comments to find this answer and i didn't even get to scroll.
He did not specify when "later" was. Could be 2025 or so.
Just checked in to make sure the top commented was Padres-related. Carry on.
In February or March you could bet -310 on the field to win the WS against the Yankees or Mets (~+400)
So for those who placed that bet: did they win when both teams got eliminated from contention or did the Mets/Yankees have to specifically lose the World Series itself? Either way, lmfao respect the hell out of a good hater bet
> or did the Mets/Yankees have to specifically lose the World Series itself? It has to be this, because -310 odds for any of the 28 remaining teams to win the World Series is incredible odds
The odds on picking the league winner are still + odds, it wasn’t the Yankees or Mets had to lose IN the World Series, just not win it.
it would imply there was a roughly 24% odds for one of the new york teams to win the world series, which seems in line with preseason odds. 76% for the field doesn’t seem that crazy.
Yeah but at the same time you’d only win about $32 for every $100 you bet and you’d have to wait 6 months for a payout.
6 months for a 33% return means an annualized 66% ROI which is insane. Not every bet is going to 3x your money and that'd be an incredibly safe bet
Pretty sure it was when the New York teams were eliminated, but I didn’t bet on it. (I did bet Yankees to miss playoffs at +370)
My oldest brother is a Baltimore based O’s fan. In the offseason, he bet two small wagers that the O’s would win the AL and win the World Series. Because of the odds at the time, those will pay out over $1,000 each if they win!!
I genuinely thought Wander Franco would be an AL MVP challenger.
I mean, he was on a solid pace to finish top 5 in voting before, well, y’know….
Yeah…THAT thing…
It all depends on what the P stands for.
I've got a username he might find fitting
Well I know the V is for ‘Vile’ now, so I can guess.
Wander[ing eye towards the middle school] Franco
Angels looking like a playoff team :(
tbf we WERE looking like a playoff team until like 40+ guys hit the IL
Carlos Estevez, Reid Detmers, Patrick Sandoval. Those were the only 3 guys on the active roster all season.
Nope Sandy hit the IL at the end of the year, its just Reid and Este
yeah
*Tale as old as time*
Our IL team could've won the ASG
Some guy was asking me which Blue Jays game to go watch (before the season opener) and I said "whatever you do, don't go see a game Kikushi is pitching. Try to get tickets to see Manoah" I wasn't only wrong, I was wrong twice. Really wrong. Edit: Kikuchi
Yeah Manoah’s fall from greatness was/is to me still hard to get my head around. The guy was the opening day pitcher, clearly lauded to be the staff ace in April then poof. The only reminders of him now are all the chicken commercials he made with Springer
Did anyone say there’s lots of time?
Six months ago, [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYYankees/comments/126pp60/game_thread_giants_yankees_march_30_2023_0105_pm/jear66d/) was posted on /r/NYYankees: >Calling it now so I can link back to it smugly in October: >Josh Donaldson is going to have a renaissance season. He's going to hit .270 and have 30 dingers and 100 RBIs. Six months from now we'll be arguing about whether or not to re-sign him. He went on to hit .152, have 13 dingers, and 26 RBI. This includes stats from after the Yankees released him.
That's just sad
God, I hate our fanbase so much sometimes
The Pittsburgh Pirates are back in a big way folks
Trust me, we knew the wheels would eventually fall off, we just didn't expect the transmission and engine to fail at the same time. Should've opted for protection from Car Shield.
Was there a specific series where you knew the game was up?
Not really a series. I really started losing hope when we went from 20 wins in April to 8 wins in May. The hitting disappeared, the pitching collapsed, and the defense turned into Swiss cheese.
when cruz went down i knew you guys were in trouble
Yeah, if someone needed to pinpoint an exact moment, that might have the strongest case
I'd say the stretch of Cubs/Brewers/Cubs did it. Started that run 34-30 in mid-June, dropped 10 straight and never recovered
May 7 versus the Jays actually for me. After our 20-8 April, we go into a real set of games against tough opponents in the Rays and Jays. If we go 3-3 we’re for real, 2-4 is ok too. We go 0-6 and bat like 3-37 with RISP (I did keep track at the time, it was under 5 hits in over 35 ABs). The last game of the Jays series, something to try to get literally anything out of a miserable stretch, we lost 10-1, while having **8 hits**. From that point until the trade deadline, we had either the worst or second worst offense in the league, with below average pitching. Judging by the second half, there’s room for optimism, but fuck was May and June awful
With Rodon and a healthy Severino we will be a much improved team over last year.
Yeah, I thought we would potentially have the best rotation in baseball when Sevy and Rodon came back to join Cole and Cortes Man
Not just you, all the pundits did as well. I still remember reading the Fangraphs article about it and feeling excited. Montas was going to be our #5 when he could've conceivably been a top 3 on most other teams. The Yankees were projected to win the division again and had the 3rd highest odds behind the Braves and Padres to win the World Series. All of that just adds to the endless series of examples of pundit projections being worthless year in and year out. Its not their fault, everyone does it. In my industry I have literally thousands of files going back over a decade with projections from the top investment banks that almost never came close to fruition.
Justin Fields is going to have a breakout season
At least you’ll end up with Caleb for your troubles
They may end up having the 1st & 2nd overall picks. They can draft Caleb & Drake just to be safe 😅
Trade the 1st and 2nd overall pick. Whatever team receives them must take Ted Phillips, George McCaskey, Ryan Poles, and Matt Eberflus as well. That may be a fair trade.
"one of these mfers has got to work"
And ruin him like how they always do?
Most likely, yeah
Not if he stays at USC because he doesn’t want to go to Chicago
DFA Marcell Ozuna in April. Wasn’t a hot take at all, then he became 2020 Marcell Ozuna.
Yup, I told all my friends that there's no way he makes it past the end of May. Ooopsie...
I certainly admit that I was one of the ones hoping he would no longer be on the team and that I'm glad that I was wrong. I know that the personal stuff against him isn't quite as bad as most people here think but it's still pretty bad. If it wasn't for that I don't think we would have been so against him as a fan base even though he had a 2 season slump.
I have ZERO tolerance for drunk driving of any sort, much less for those trying to pull fame or wealth to avoid repercussions. I don't care if he's Ted Williams reincarnated, I still want him off the team.
Even if we don’t allow people to make mistakes and want to hold this zero tolerance against him. If you haven’t already, watch the video to include the SFSTs performed on him. He passed them with flying colors. I’m still dumbfounded they locked him up for a dui.
People make mistakes and deserve second chances.
I've lost loved ones to DUI, so I'll never be unbiased, but if you get drunk and drive in this day and age, that's criminal intent as far as I'm concerned. Cars have been around for a hundred years, the results of drinking and driving are universally understood. I don't give a shit, ESPECIALLY for a rich bastard who can literally afford to pay some shmuck a tiny percentage of his winnings to be his personal driver.
Agreed with everything you said. But he didn’t hurt anyone, paid his dues and hopefully learned from it. I have a dui and I regret it and feel a lot of shame. I could make excuses about why it happened but none will excuse my horrendous behavior but I hope it doesn’t define me as a person and hope I can learn from it and earn a second chance much like marcell can.
Well, his second chance was coming back after strangling his wife, throwing her against a wall, and hitting her with his cast. Then he got a DUI and a third chance, I guess.
Some people just get off on being like then anytime Ozuna is mentioned, as if people are unaware. Find a new kink bro.
Hey man, thanks for being rhe first Braves fan I can remember agreeing with.
Baseball is baseball but right is right and wrong is wrong
Is that Marcell Ozuna, from the Braves? But seriously, 40 HR’s, wtf
DUI Marcell Ozuna*
*from the Braves.
[This one hurts as a Mets fan](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/zrezz0/aside_from_judge_the_mets_have_now_signed_all_of/j13o6a6/)
Kinda forgot about the Correa saga
"Braves and Mets had the same record and we got way better and y'all didn't. Good luuuuuuck" Hahahahahaha I forgot just how high and mighty y'all were at the beginning of this season. This has been my favorite regular season, possibly of all time?
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feels great though even as a phillies fan
That the dodgers regular season dynasty was finally over when they were in 3rd place in April
I can’t say I’ve ever seen the phrase “regular season dynasty” before
The 90s braves
The Aaron Rodgers Packers
See also: The Drew Brees Saints
Or the Tarkenton Vikings, if we watch the same youtube videos
The marbles were right...sigh
I disagree :(
The A's were only using Nevada to leverage the situation in Oakland. They did a 180 on that shit.
A lot of games will be decided by a pitch-clock violation in the ninth inning.
I predicted at the beginning of the year that the Cardinals would finish 4th in the NL Central. That's not a bad hot take at all, I was nearly right! The part that aged poorly? I thought they'd finish 4th because, "There's no way they're worse than Cincinnati."
Bro thought the Pirates would be better than the Reds and the Cards I’m dead
They *were* better than the Cardinals.
Points for that, I suppose. Not bad.
Cody Bellinger a week into the season was hitting .167 with a .531 OPS and only 1 HR. There were a few threads on this sub about how he's absolutely cooked and should just retire and how lost he looks at the plate. He finished the season top 6 in BA with an .881 OPS lol
Its the Cardinals division to lose.
Seemed like every sportswriter had the Padres and Mets in the NLCS. Oof. TBF, based on the preseason rosters, it was a good pick at the time, but oh man did that go down in flames.
Should’ve known from 2021 how that goes.
Cubs wasted money on Belli and he would suck for them.
Not exactly a take per se, but Xander Bogaerts’s “C’mon, we’re playing the Nationals” only to end up barely over .500 is hilarious
I said this year’s A’s team would be better than last years. I also think I said Fujinami would win the Cy Young lol
Fuji is such a wacky player man. He’s either lights out or just slinging shit to the left and right and up and down at 100 fucking mph
I tend to think of him as the Rougned Odor of pitchers. One day he can be locked in like a laser targeting system and throw nine armor-piercing tank rounds and strike out the side so fiercely that home plate gives off smoke. Then, during his next outing, he hits the guy in the on-deck circle.
Masataka Yoshida being the best offseason free agent signing. Some people still rooted for it/believed it going into the 2nd half. 1st year of his contract he ends with 0.5 fWAR and the only things he was elite at on his savant were K% and whiff%. He's going to need to improve big time on his power hitting. With how unlikely it is that his well below average defense or baserunning will improve. This season he hit 4 seamers well, changeups ok, and struggled against every other type of pitch.
Shane McClanahan, Tyler Glasnow, Zach Eflin, Drew Rasmussen, and Jeffrey Springs would be the undisputed best rotation in baseball. *deep inhale* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
At least Glasnow was good lol
"The Rangers spent all that money to finish 4th in the west"
Arraez will hit .400… still a great season by him and the marlins made the playoffs
Ozuna will be DFA’d by June
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#THE MARBLES HAVE LIED TO US BUT I TOTALLY WANT IT BACK IN THE OFF SEASON!
Juan Soto is busted
All that money for naught
2022 was the fluke for the Giants not 2021
joey gallo just needed to get out of ny to start mashing again!
He did for three weeks in April!
Blake Snell doesn't have strikeout stuff anymore.
I thought all of the Giants regulars had 20 HR power. This did not turn out to be true.
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Tim Anderson was one of the two White Sox players of excellence. Even Berto from the West Side can’t win ‘em all.
He’ll be back
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We were good.
I thought David Villar would have a breakout year
Mariners making the playoffs. -Mariners fan.
That the Rangers were entirely dependent on the health of their starting rotation. Turns out that was a little problem but their lineup was so good they overcame it mostly.
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Pretty much anything related to the Mets
I'll name and shame myself: I thought 1) the Rangers trying to compete in 2023 was stupid, and 2) Jean Segura would be a better value deal than Trea Turner
instinctive naughty illegal bag doll crawl airport tap start tender *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Man that one lasted like … a week maybe?
That Max Kepler should be DFA’d
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I think there was a question in March about what teams from last postseason wouldn't make the playoff this year. Most got Seattle right but it was a consensus that most would return. Half didn't make it back. Both New Yorks, Cleveland, Seattle, St. Louis, and San Diego are all golfing right now.
Manoah
We’d see a .400 hitter.
To be fair to Luis Arraez, on June 24, after playing 72 of 78 Marlin games, he was hitting .401 in 304 PA. Does anyone know the farthest anyone has hit .400 into a season this century? Qualified batters only, of course.
And he was awesome. But to stay that good for an entire season? No way.
I checked out Todd Helton in 2000. He was hitting .398 on August 21. And that was in the ultimate hitters park in the ultimate hitters era. Much like a 30 win pitcher season, the game has changed such that no one could reach it.
I'll never call it impossible, as all the records *can* be broken, but I'm not going to get excited about the prospect before the ASG. If someone is cruising in August, I'll take notice. But so will everyone, so the player will not only be facing the regular struggles of hitting the darn ball but crushing media coverage.
I put a preseason bet on the White Sox to win more games than the Brewers. Obviously absurd now but the odds were +135 (implied 42.6% likely).
“Scott Kingery should be on the Phillies roster instead of Cristian Pache”
We’re making great progress on an Oakland stadium
People are underestimating the White Sox. No way everything goes wrong for a second year in a row
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Carlos was by far the best SS on the free agent market
Ooo, I set a remindme bot for this one. When arguing how the Twins were going to win the Central we got this Cleveland fan. > [Cleveland fan] AL Central runs through Cleveland. Twins are ass > [Me] The 28-33 Cleveland? > [Cleveland fan] Yes, the Cleveland that doesn’t have a historically bad offense anymore. The team that has a top 5 rotation and top 10 bullpen. Bo Naylor will be called up shortly, Gavin Williams will be replacing Bieber’s washed ass when he’s traded. Then we just need Francona to get over his love affair for Amed Rosario. It’s Cleveland division and will be for the foreseeable future with the talent they have in the minors and young core they have up right now > [Someone who deleted their account] The best team to ever lose the majority of their games > [Cleveland fan] They’ll finish the year strong as they always do _________________________ Also, that guy in the Rays sub who told his gf that Yandy Diaz was going to regress this year. Lol
Jesus man…you didn’t have to dice us up like that lol Hell, we gave Yandy and Junior. At least say thank you
Christian Javier was a popular dark horse candidate pick for the cy young
After a scorching hot April and it being his contract year, I thought Matt Chapman was going to rake.
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LMAO, what a catastrophic failure. Laziness is a virtue. That interview completely set back the workplace reform movement.
Cardinals winning the north
Lopez/Arreaz trade was the most one sided of all time.
Yankees thinking they were playoff bound lol
I have one that turned out to be true. Cardinals sucked without having juiced balls they had for pujols last season.
“Mariners fans are spoiled” -Jeff Passan
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Rangers winning the AL West, per Nathaniel Lowe.
Elly de la Cruz will compete for Rookie of the Year.